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"james g. keegan jr." |
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12 Dec 2004 04:51:51 PM |
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Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside
by G. Jefferson Price III
The arrogance of the Bush administration in so much of what it says and
does is supposed to be a factor in the feelings of distrust and outright
hatred that many foreigners have for America these days.
But Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demonstrated last week that
arrogance isn't just for foreigners like those Old Europeans. Mr.
Rumsfeld can dish it out to his own troops serving in the fraudulently
ordered, misguided and mismanaged war and occupation in Iraq.
The secretary got a little taste of American freedom of expression
Wednesday when he visited some of those U.S. troops in Kuwait, where
they were waiting to serve in Iraq. And he didn't seem to like it.
According to press reports, soldiers complained about the need for
better armor for their vehicles and about the unexpected lengthening of
tours in the military in Iraq, which is now nearly half Reservists.
"You go to war with the Army you have," Mr. Rumsfeld replied.
You go to war with the Army you have?
Who on earth does Donald Rumsfeld think is responsible for the condition
of the Army we have if it isn't the secretary of defense? He had a war
in Iraq in mind practically from the moment he was put in charge of the
Pentagon, and the Army we have is what he knew we had when he directed
the invasion. But it turned out he didn't expect to fight a real war.
The flowery welcome he expected from Iraqis turned into a prolonged
nightmare.
Lack of armor for the vehicles being used by American forces in Iraq has
been blamed for many of the nearly 1,300 U.S. combat deaths and nine
times as many injuries in Iraq since the invasion. Army Spc. Thomas
Wilson, a Tennessee National Guardsman, wanted to know why the problem
hasn't been fixed.
"Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of
scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles?"
he asked, according to press reports.
The question aroused cheers from the 2,300 soldiers who had come to meet
Mr. Rumsfeld. Those cheers were not coming from Old Europeans; they were
from Mr. Rumsfeld's own soldiers.
Later, according to a New York Times account of the encounter, an Idaho
National Guardsman asked what Mr. Rumsfeld and the Army were doing "to
address shortages and antiquated equipment." The soldiers grew restless
as Mr. Rumsfeld hesitated over the question.
"Now settle down, settle down," the secretary pleaded. "Hell, I'm an old
man. It's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."
It's not early in the morning; it's late in the day for America in Iraq.
Old Man Rumsfeld should have better gathered his thoughts about the Iraq
war long ago.
The soldiers he met in Kuwait have gathered theirs, and they're unhappy.
Too many of them are Reservists called up to duty and extended in an
arrangement that has many feeling tricked.
But Mr. Rumsfeld is not new to trickery. He was a leader in the cabal
that tricked us into Iraq in the first place - that tricked America into
thinking that Iraq and Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat to the
security of the United States and that he was Osama bin Laden's
accomplice in 9/11. And while Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush continue
to assert that the Iraq war was worth it, and that the mission -
whatever it really was - will be a success, evidence that it won't is
overwhelming.
That America has spent billions upon billions of dollars on the war and
the occupation and hasn't even managed to provide sufficient armor to
protect its own soldiers is a metaphor for the failure of the whole
operation.
While Mr. Bush preens over the capture of Fallujah and promises there
definitely will be an election in Iraq on schedule next month,
intelligence from Iraq predicts continuing instability and a range of
possibilities that includes civil war and violence beyond the control of
the American-installed Iraqi government or the coalition forces.
Army Specialist Wilson wants to know why he is being sent to Iraq
without sufficient armor to save his life. I want to know why Specialist
Wilson is going to Iraq at all. And notwithstanding the results of the
last election, Americans eventually will demand an accounting for this
sordid adventure.
If the discontent that Mr. Rumsfeld heard in that hangar in Kuwait last
week is any sign, the most forceful demand may come from the very
soldiers he sent there.
They can't be fooled. They know too much.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1212-25.htm
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
12 Dec 2004 04:59:32 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside
by G. Jefferson Price III
The arrogance of the Bush administration in so much of what it says and
does is supposed to be a factor in the feelings of distrust and outright
hatred that many foreigners have for America these days.
Only the French.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
12 Dec 2004 05:13:19 PM |
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wrote in
news:1102893208.965432.142850@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside
by G. Jefferson Price III
The arrogance of the Bush administration in so much of what it says
and does is supposed to be a factor in the feelings of distrust and
outright hatred that many foreigners have for America these days.
Only the French.
Cut the ***** about the French, you ignorant *****.
Had it not been for the French, the US would still be
a British colony.
You seem ignorant of the fact that had it not been
for Lafayette and his troops at Yorkdown and Comte de
Grasse and the French navy blocking entrance to the
Chesapeake Bay, Washington would have had his *****
thrown into the York River by the redcoats.
Read a little American history before farting in
the air and revealing your lack of education.
What has France done for us lately? In fact, what has France done for us
since the 1700s? They are an ally in name only.
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| User: "O Brennan" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
12 Dec 2004 09:32:31 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
1102893199.f097228f67acda1574b4cf1fcb0d2ef8@bubbanews...
Cognitus44@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1102893208.965432.142850@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside
by G. Jefferson Price III
The arrogance of the Bush administration in so much of what it says
and does is supposed to be a factor in the feelings of distrust and
outright hatred that many foreigners have for America these days.
Only the French.
Cut the ***** about the French, you ignorant *****.
Had it not been for the French, the US would still be
a British colony.
You seem ignorant of the fact that had it not been
for Lafayette and his troops at Yorkdown and Comte de
Grasse and the French navy blocking entrance to the
Chesapeake Bay, Washington would have had his *****
thrown into the York River by the redcoats.
Read a little American history before farting in
the air and revealing your lack of education.
What has France done for us lately? In fact, what has France done for us
since the 1700s? They are an ally in name only.
In the first Gulf war and Afghanistan, France was there.
France did not think that Saddam had weapons of massive destruction. That's
all
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 02:58:55 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:32:31 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
In the first Gulf war and Afghanistan, France was there.
France did not think that Saddam had weapons of massive destruction. That's
all
Afghanistan had no weapons of mass destruction.
Why did France participate in the slaughter of innocent Afghans yet
failed to free Iraqis from an oppressive regime?????
I know, it's because France had no oil deals with Afghanistan!!!!!
France is bad. I am glad the Beurs are taking over.
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| User: "O Brennan" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 06:08:07 AM |
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<mange@merde.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
671rr0td6cjeigbvlgnc53ap7n58u3ujdc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:32:31 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
In the first Gulf war and Afghanistan, France was there.
France did not think that Saddam had weapons of massive destruction.
That's
all
Afghanistan had no weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
France went to Afghanistan to fight Talibans and Al Quaida
and September 11.
Why did France participate in the slaughter of innocent Afghans yet
failed to free Iraqis from an oppressive regime?????
???????
I know, it's because France had no oil deals with Afghanistan!!!!!
USA is in Iraq for oil, Do you think?
Where are weapons of mass destruction?
France is bad. I am glad the Beurs are taking over.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 09:47:27 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:07 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE was Iraqs failure to comply with UN Resolutions.
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| User: "O Brennan" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 11:37:55 PM |
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<mange@merde.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
pd3tr0hiu05miao6cde53sth6t3j8d2gij@4ax.com...
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:07 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE was Iraqs failure to comply with UN Resolutions.
THE MOTIVE of UN Resolutions was these Weapons of mass destruction.
and Hans Blix and American had never found these weapons.
Remember the speeches of Collen Powell with pictures of many locations where
there were
these weapons.
OK, September 11 was terrible, but who is guilty. The saudis, Al-Quaida,
Talibans
What really happened? You know!!!
In fact, Weapons of mass destruction and September 11 were the MOTIVES of
the oil battle of middle east.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 11:48:36 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:07 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE was Iraqs failure to comply with UN Resolutions.
That's a lie. It was never given as a reason for invasion. Most
likely because Iraq was complying with UN resolutions.
And if the US dared to give that as an excuse then they'd have
a hard time explaining why Iraq should be destroyed because of UN
resolutions while Israel should be supported in violating UN
resolutions.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
14 Dec 2004 07:29:57 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cplurk$l78$1@bolt.sonic.net:
mange@merde.com <mange@merde.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:07 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE was Iraqs failure to comply with UN Resolutions.
That's a lie. It was never given as a reason for invasion. Most
likely because Iraq was complying with UN resolutions.
And if the US dared to give that as an excuse then they'd have
a hard time explaining why Iraq should be destroyed because of UN
resolutions while Israel should be supported in violating UN
resolutions.
Well, considering that Iraq had bought off the UN it's no surprise they were
looking the other way.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
14 Dec 2004 10:12:43 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cpncnq$at1$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:cplurk$l78$1@bolt.sonic.net:
mange@merde.com <mange@merde.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:08:07 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
THE MOTIVE of the war in Iraq was Weapons of mass destruction.
THE MOTIVE was Iraqs failure to comply with UN Resolutions.
That's a lie. It was never given as a reason for invasion. Most
likely because Iraq was complying with UN resolutions.
And if the US dared to give that as an excuse then they'd have
a hard time explaining why Iraq should be destroyed because of UN
resolutions while Israel should be supported in violating UN
resolutions.
Well, considering that Iraq had bought off the UN it's no surprise they
were looking the other way.
Are you still spreading right-wing lies?
Tsk. I'd ask you for proof but I know you don't have any.
You thought wrong.
Apparently not.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16008
A right-wing publication and even so there is no evidence for your
claim.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Montesquiou" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
13 Dec 2004 01:02:35 PM |
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<mange@merde.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
671rr0td6cjeigbvlgnc53ap7n58u3ujdc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:32:31 -0500, "O Brennan"
<MichaelMoore@Bush.com> wrote:
In the first Gulf war and Afghanistan, France was there.
France did not think that Saddam had weapons of massive destruction.
That's
all
Afghanistan had no weapons of mass destruction.
Why did France participate in the slaughter of innocent Afghans yet
failed to free Iraqis from an oppressive regime?????
I know, it's because France had no oil deals with Afghanistan!!!!!
France is bad. I am glad the Beurs are taking over.
Avec paisir. Pour faire du beur, le mieux c'est encore une barate; mais
comme tu le dis on peut aussi fouetter de la crème fraiche, c'est vrai.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
12 Dec 2004 05:10:09 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
news:1102892372.0773944d7352beea4059a0d600b0bc10@bubbanews:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside
by G. Jefferson Price III
The arrogance of the Bush administration in so much of what it says
and does is supposed to be a factor in the feelings of distrust and
outright hatred that many foreigners have for America these days.
Only the French.
absolute proof od your illiteracy
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| User: "BolleZijde" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
15 Dec 2004 06:03:43 PM |
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Daer James,
I will only read your post when it is posted to just one group,
so I will not read this one as it is crossposted.
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> schreef in bericht
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
<snip>
You crossposted to alt.world, your message is off-topic here
as it has to do with US politics.
Please post in an approriate group and not at random.
Bolle Zijde
crossposted
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
16 Dec 2004 07:10:46 AM |
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"BolleZijde" <bolle.zijde@someplace.net> wrote in
news:41c0d0e0$0$19592$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl:
Daer James,
I will only read your post when it is posted to just one group,
so I will not read this one as it is crossposted.
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> schreef in bericht
news:Xns95BDB5B8BF0E1keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
<snip>
You crossposted to alt.world, your message is off-topic here
as it has to do with US politics.
Actually, the original charter for alt.world says that nothing is off topic.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Questions About War Can't Be Brushed Aside |
19 Dec 2004 07:03:27 PM |
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"BolleZijde" <bolle.zijde@someplace.net> wrote in news:41c0d0e0$0$19592
$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl:
Daer James,
I will only read your post when it is posted to just one group,
i support your right to make that choice.
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| User: "Cleopatra" |
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12 Dec 2004 08:07:17 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
Yeah, we know all about guys like Mr. Price whose only "concern" for
the safety of our troops exhibits itself when the see an opportunity to
make a political statement against the war. We had a gut full of this
crap during Nam and we're all now wise as to how these haters of the
military do their thing. There's nothing our military does they won't
jump on and criticize, and nothing our enemies do they won't excuse.
Cleopatra
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