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24 Nov 2003 11:45:14 PM |
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Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
The Tree of Life, et cetera
I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
on.
The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
burn
them.
ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was a
fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from the
ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out? Or
the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark? No.
Clean and Unclean Meats
.... Clean and Unclean Food. ... since you are to detest them, you must not
eat their meat and you ...
the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl ...
http://truth.fateback.com/unclean.html
Gn:6:19: And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt
thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male
and female. (KJV)
Gn:6:20: Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every
creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come
unto thee, to keep them alive. (KJV)
Gn:7:2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and
his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
female. (KJV)
Gn:7:9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the
female, as God had commanded Noah. (KJV)
Gn:7:15: And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh,
wherein is the breath of life. (KJV)
http://edwardtbabinski.us
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| Title: Any Pastors around, able to explain this? - The Extinct Raven |
25 Nov 2003 09:24:39 AM |
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Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
I forgot to mention this. It says the raven goes to and fro until the waters
dry up.
Followed by
Gn:8:9: But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she
returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole
earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him
into the ark. (KJV)
If the Dove couldn't find a place to rest, then neither could the Raven,
which went out before the Dove... common sense tells everyone, the Raven
would have eventually given up on flight, and drowned in the waters. It
states only the Raven goes to and fro, and doesn't return. Which is
unreasonable, unless the Biblical writers know something that I don't about
"Super Flight-Longevity of the Raven" So, that leaves one Raven without a
mate. Ravens should be extinct... because there were only two of this
unclean bird, as commanded by YHWH... and one drowned in the sea.
wait a minute "The Raven that was not" -and- "The Raven that was and still
is"...
Ex:9:6: And the Lord did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of
Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one. (KJV)
All the cattle of Egypt died, but the Egyptians yet had cattle to cause to
flee
Ex:9:20: He that feared the word of the Lord among the servants of Pharaoh
made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: (KJV)
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com...
Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
The Tree of Life, et cetera
I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
on.
The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
burn
them.
ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was
a
fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from
the
ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out?
Or
the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark?
No.
Clean and Unclean Meats
... Clean and Unclean Food. ... since you are to detest them, you must not
eat their meat and you ...
the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl
....
http://truth.fateback.com/unclean.html
Gn:6:19: And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt
thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male
and female. (KJV)
Gn:6:20: Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of
every
creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come
unto thee, to keep them alive. (KJV)
Gn:7:2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male
and
his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
female. (KJV)
Gn:7:9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the
female, as God had commanded Noah. (KJV)
Gn:7:15: And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
flesh,
wherein is the breath of life. (KJV)
http://edwardtbabinski.us
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Any Pastors around, able to explain this? - The Extinct Raven |
25 Nov 2003 02:19:09 PM |
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sharon wrote:
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
I forgot to mention this. It says the raven goes to and fro until the waters
dry up.
Followed by
Gn:8:9: But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she
returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole
earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him
into the ark. (KJV)
If the Dove couldn't find a place to rest, then neither could the Raven,
which went out before the Dove... common sense tells everyone, the Raven
would have eventually given up on flight, and drowned in the waters. It
states only the Raven goes to and fro, and doesn't return. Which is
unreasonable, unless the Biblical writers know something that I don't about
"Super Flight-Longevity of the Raven" So, that leaves one Raven without a
mate. Ravens should be extinct... because there were only two of this
unclean bird, as commanded by YHWH... and one drowned in the sea.
wait a minute "The Raven that was not" -and- "The Raven that was and still
is"...
Ex:9:6: And the Lord did that thing on the morrow, and all the cattle of
Egypt died: but of the cattle of the children of Israel died not one. (KJV)
All the cattle of Egypt died, but the Egyptians yet had cattle to cause to
flee
Ex:9:20: He that feared the word of the Lord among the servants of Pharaoh
made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: (KJV)
===>Imagine a home where the cattle roam...
No wonder those stories are full of BS.
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 08:27:02 PM |
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Common sense would tell you that the raven kept returning to the ark until
all the water had dried up. The phrase 'to and fro' means 'back and forth'.
Obviously the raven kept returning to the ark until the water had gone.
When the water was gone, the raven stayed in the ark. Conversly one could
assume that Noah sent the dove to find out why the raven didn't return. If
the dove returned with plant material in its beak, then we can assume that
the raven had found a place to rest.
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com...
Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
The Tree of Life, et cetera
I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
on.
The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
burn
them.
ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was
a
fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from
the
ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out?
Or
the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark?
No.
Clean and Unclean Meats
... Clean and Unclean Food. ... since you are to detest them, you must not
eat their meat and you ...
the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl
....
http://truth.fateback.com/unclean.html
Gn:6:19: And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt
thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male
and female. (KJV)
Gn:6:20: Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of
every
creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come
unto thee, to keep them alive. (KJV)
Gn:7:2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male
and
his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
female. (KJV)
Gn:7:9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the
female, as God had commanded Noah. (KJV)
Gn:7:15: And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
flesh,
wherein is the breath of life. (KJV)
http://edwardtbabinski.us
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
26 Nov 2003 02:50:34 PM |
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"Rick" <hoganrj@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Common sense would tell you that the raven kept returning
to the ark until all the water had dried up. The phrase 'to
and fro' means 'back and forth'. Obviously the raven kept
returning to the ark until the water had gone. When the water
was gone, the raven stayed in the ark. Conversly one could
assume that Noah sent the dove to find out why the raven
didn't return. If the dove returned with plant material in
its
beak, then we can assume that the raven had found a place
to rest.
That is what rationalization tells you. Common sense tells
people to see how the expression is used in other parts of the
Bible. I did a search for "to and fro" in the KJV on
"crosswalk.com" http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and discovered
nineteen other occurences. They all appear to indicate
directionless wondering. Here is a partial list:
Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going
to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down
in it.
Psalms 107:27
They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man,
and are at their wits' end.
Isaiah 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,
Jeremiah 5:1
Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and
see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof,
if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth
judgment,
that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.
Joel 2:9
They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon
the
wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter
in at the windows like a thief.
Amos 8:12
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north
even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word
of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Zechariah 1:10
And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered
and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to
walk to and fro through the earth.
My conclusion is that the raven died of old age before he
returned.
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Wax
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
26 Nov 2003 03:15:06 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message
news:um8xb.115839$Ec1.5029406@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Rick" <hoganrj@bigpond.com> wrote in message
Common sense would tell you that the raven kept returning
to the ark until all the water had dried up. The phrase 'to
and fro' means 'back and forth'. Obviously the raven kept
returning to the ark until the water had gone. When the water
was gone, the raven stayed in the ark. Conversly one could
assume that Noah sent the dove to find out why the raven
didn't return. If the dove returned with plant material in
its
beak, then we can assume that the raven had found a place
to rest.
That is what rationalization tells you. Common sense tells
people to see how the expression is used in other parts of the
Bible. I did a search for "to and fro" in the KJV on
"crosswalk.com" http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and discovered
nineteen other occurences. They all appear to indicate
directionless wondering. Here is a partial list:
Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going
to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down
in it.
Psalms 107:27
They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man,
and are at their wits' end.
Isaiah 24:20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,
Jeremiah 5:1
Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and
see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof,
if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth
judgment,
that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.
Joel 2:9
They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon
the
wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter
in at the windows like a thief.
Amos 8:12
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north
even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word
of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Zechariah 1:10
And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered
and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to
walk to and fro through the earth.
My conclusion is that the raven died of old age before he
returned.
Very keen to look it up. I'm slack. I was actually thinking of
Dn:12:4: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to
the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be
increased. (KJV)
Which seems to imply "confusion".
--
Wax
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
26 Nov 2003 11:59:41 AM |
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"Rick" <hoganrj@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:WbUwb.27312$aT.447@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Common sense would tell you that the raven kept returning to the ark until
Genesis and the Ark story was not written using common sense.
all the water had dried up. The phrase 'to and fro' means 'back and
forth'.
Obviously the raven kept returning to the ark until the water had gone.
When the water was gone, the raven stayed in the ark. Conversly one
could
assume that Noah sent the dove to find out why the raven didn't return.
If
the dove returned with plant material in its beak, then we can assume that
the raven had found a place to rest.
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com...
Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
The Tree of Life, et cetera
I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on
and
on.
The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground
and
burn
them.
ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive
was
a
fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from
the
ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean
bird...
why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent
out?
Or
the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven
came
back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among
the
creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until
the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark?
No.
Clean and Unclean Meats
... Clean and Unclean Food. ... since you are to detest them, you must
not
eat their meat and you ...
the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl
...
http://truth.fateback.com/unclean.html
Gn:6:19: And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt
thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be
male
and female. (KJV)
Gn:6:20: Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of
every
creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come
unto thee, to keep them alive. (KJV)
Gn:7:2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male
and
his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his
female. (KJV)
Gn:7:9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and
the
female, as God had commanded Noah. (KJV)
Gn:7:15: And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
flesh,
wherein is the breath of life. (KJV)
http://edwardtbabinski.us
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
26 Nov 2003 12:15:31 PM |
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"Rick" <hoganrj@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:WbUwb.27312$aT.447@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Common sense would tell you that the raven kept returning to the ark until
all the water had dried up. The phrase 'to and fro' means 'back and
forth'.
Obviously the raven kept returning to the ark until the water had gone.
Gn:8:9: But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she
returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole
earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him
into the ark. (KJV)
Then why does it say the Dove found no rest for the sole of her foot. The
water had not gone. The dove returned unsuccessful before its trip, bringing
back an olive leaf in its mouth.
He must have been sending out two birds simeoutaneously, both both not
finding dry land.. but that's not written in scripture.
When the water was gone, the raven stayed in the ark. Conversly one
could
assume that Noah sent the dove to find out why the raven didn't return.
If
So Mr. & Mrs. Raven were separated you're saying - Extinction.
the dove returned with plant material in its beak, then we can assume that
the raven had found a place to rest.
Mental Gymnastics.
Probably has more to do with what good ole' Libertarius said about
===>It is the proven conflation of two different Flood stories.
SEE: "The Two Flood Stories,
A Comparison of the J and P Accounts
Translation and notes by Henry E. Neufeld at
http://energion.com/rpp/flood.html
Let me guess.. in one story it's a raven, and in the second story it's a
dove.
In the first account of Genesis, the beasts are created first, man second.
In the second account of Genesis, man is created first, beasts second.
But in both accounts, woman is created last.
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 08:23:34 AM |
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In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, "sharon" <....@...com> wrote:
-> > Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
-> > The Tree of Life, et cetera
-> >I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
-> >on.
-> >The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
-> >burn
-> >them.
->
->
-> ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was a
-> fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from the
-> ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
-> sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
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-I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
-why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out? Or
-the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
-back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
-creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
-
-Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
-waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
-
-That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark? No.
-
But if it didn't, why do you suppose that no eggs had been laid during
that time?
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
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My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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http://www.MCCchurch.org
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| User: "sharon" |
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25 Nov 2003 11:11:46 AM |
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"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RainbowChristiannohate-2511030836350001@h-68-164-5-210.chcgilgm.dynamic
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In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, "sharon" <....@...com> wrote:
-> > Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
-> > The Tree of Life, et cetera
-> >I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on
and
-> >on.
-> >The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
-> >burn
-> >them.
->
->
-> ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive
was a
-> fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from
the
-> ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
-> sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
-
-I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
-why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out?
Or
-the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
-back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among
the
-creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
-
-Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
-waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
-
-That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark?
No.
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But if it didn't, why do you suppose that no eggs had been laid during
that time?
There's no proof or mention of offspring either on the ark. Aside of the
contradictions which exist in the numbers commanded to be brought on the
ark --- some verses simply state "bring them in by twos" and another verse
says specifically "by sevens if they're clean"... it's a contradiction often
discussed.
But to further complicate what the Bible is saying --- Creation Scientists
have enough trouble fitting in all the species, mathematically, in pairs, or
sevens into this ark. If you want to bring in *potential offspring* into
this unbelievably already-cramped space of all the species on earth, being
fitted in a tiny boat --- then go ahead. :)
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bitthe dust too |
25 Nov 2003 02:31:37 PM |
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sharon wrote:
"Ninure Saunders" <RainbowChristiannohate@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RainbowChristiannohate-2511030836350001@h-68-164-5-210.chcgilgm.dynamic
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In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, "sharon" <....@...com> wrote:
-> > Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
-> > The Tree of Life, et cetera
-> >I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on
and
-> >on.
-> >The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
-> >burn
-> >them.
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-> ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive
was a
-> fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from
the
-> ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
-> sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
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-I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
-why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out?
Or
-the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
-back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among
the
-creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
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-Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
-waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
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-That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark?
No.
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But if it didn't, why do you suppose that no eggs had been laid during
that time?
There's no proof or mention of offspring either on the ark. Aside of the
contradictions which exist in the numbers commanded to be brought on the
ark --- some verses simply state "bring them in by twos" and another verse
says specifically "by sevens if they're clean"... it's a contradiction often
discussed.
===>It is the proven conflation of two different Flood stories.
SEE: "The Two Flood Stories,
A Comparison of the J and P Accounts
Translation and notes by Henry E. Neufeld at
http://energion.com/rpp/flood.html
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 02:34:21 PM |
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In article <RainbowChristiannohate-2511030836350001@h-68-164-5-
210.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>,
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In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, "sharon" <....@...com> wrote:
-> > Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
-> > The Tree of Life, et cetera
-> >I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
-> >on.
-> >The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
-> >burn
-> >them.
->
->
-> ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was a
-> fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from the
-> ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
-> sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
-
-I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
-why would Noah risk losing the pair? The male raven of the pair sent out? Or
-the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
-back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
-creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
-
-Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
-waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
-
-That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark? No.
-
But if it didn't, why do you suppose that no eggs had been laid during
that time?
Better hope the egg was a male then and that it grew up and fucked its
mother.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 04:26:59 PM |
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In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, *...@....com says...
Tree Worship of the Ancient World - Anointing Oil of the Olive Tree
The Tree of Life, et cetera
I have heard that the olive tree never dies. It will live on and on and
on.
The only way you can kill it is to rip the roots out of the ground and
burn
them.
ED: Goes back to the myth of Noah's Flood, the only thing left alive was a
fresh olive branch found in the beak of a dove that Noah had sent from the
ark, thus an olive true must have survived Noah's Flood and a mile of
sediment being laid down all over the earth. HA HA HA
I have always wondered about this, since the Raven was an unclean bird...
why would Noah risk losing the pair?
For that matter, why were any "unclean" animals taken, or for that matter
created in the first place?
The male raven of the pair sent out?
Previous mythology suggests that it was the male raven because, as
ridiculous as it sounds, Noah wanted to "get busy" with Mrs. Raven.
Or
the female thrown out? Either way, there's no mention that the Raven came
back. So it's mate would have been alone, and it doesn't qualify among the
creatures brought in by sevens, because it is an unclean meat.
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
Yeah, I thought that meant he constantly made trips back and forth to the
Ark.
That was a really busy bird... does it say it ever returned to the ark? No.
It doesn't specifically say that he came back. Then again, the bible
doesn't say lots of things.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 04:54:04 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@atyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a2d851f9b910c029896c5@news.cis.dfn.de...
In article <3fc2ec8a_9@athenanews.com>, *...@....com says...
Gn:8:7: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until
the
waters were dried up from off the earth. (KJV)
Yeah, I thought that meant he constantly made trips back and forth to the
Ark.
Nah... sounds pretty good for an explanation, but it doesn't add up with why
Noah would then send out the dove, if the Raven was doing a good enough job
(Noah lost his raven, and then took a chance on a Dove --- Use a Homing
Pigeon dummy! (Or do those live in Mesopotamia?) I take to and fro in the
Bible, to mean "wandering about" --- not coming back, and sent again.
As Libertarius concluded, it's all a lot of bs myth anyway.
There was no Raven. There was no dove. There was no ark. and, there were no
dinosaurs on the Ark. (As the YEC would probably try to say).
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
That brought to mind about some religious leaders who'd say AIDS was sent
from God, to punish homosexuals?
I guess Small Pox was sent from God to punish Indians for being Indians.
(From an article Ed Babinski wrote on Christian Intolerance)
"...On average two thirds of the native population were killed by
colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of
"the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course,
e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the
natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared
our title to what we possess."
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
26 Nov 2003 02:19:00 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
< CLIP >
That brought to mind about some religious leaders who'd
say AIDS was sent from God, to punish homosexuals?
I guess Small Pox was sent from God to punish Indians for
being Indians.
Mark Twain pointed out that God must hate the poor because he
created so many diseases for them. The poor often cannot afford
shoes, and proper clothing to keep warm, and are often
undernourished. All of this makes the poor more susceptible to
decease. Finally the poor cannot afford the medical care needed
to recover.
Mark Twain also pointed out that Noah's children must have been
bloated with diseases to pass on to future generations.
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Wax
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| User: "Ron B." |
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| Title: Re: Ravens should be Extinct According to Genesis-The Dove almost bit the dust too |
25 Nov 2003 10:42:16 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:26:59 -0700, quibbler wrote:
The male raven of the pair sent out?
Previous mythology suggests that it was the male raven because, as
ridiculous as it sounds, Noah wanted to "get busy" with Mrs. Raven.
Could you document this please?
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