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02 Nov 2006 06:33:43 PM |
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Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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Firstly we are not this fallen angels children but God's.
Therefore the god that is sending her can only be Satan.
Permit the light of God to penetrate your eyes and see what this thing
is.
The way this thing wants to lead you is hell, to abandon your trust in
God Christ and put your trust in this fallen angel so you too can lead
others to hell by becoming her apostles.
It is the Holy Spirit that leads you to Christ who died for your sins
and makes it possible to be children of the Father. Follow this fallen
angel called "Our Lady to your own peril".
CATHOLICS BEWARE
Luke 14:25-27 (NCV)
25 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and he turned and said to
them,
26 "If anyone comes to me but loves his father, mother, wife,
children, brothers,
or sisters-or even life-more than me, he cannot be my follower.
27 Whoever is not willing to carry the cross and follow me cannot be my
follower.
Humm!!
Love for Jesus is first and foremost, above everything else because the
path to God is in Jesus. If you love someone you talk directly to that
person so why should it be any different with God.
1 Timothy 2:5 (NRSV)
5 For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and
humankind,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
Humm!!
Between God and humankind there is only ONE mediator, Jesus! We don't
have to pray to Mary or the saints because Jesus deals directly with
ALL humankind.
John 14:9-14 (NRSV)
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and
you still do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How
can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Do you not believe that I am in
the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do
not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if
you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very
truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works
that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am
going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you
****ask in my name,****
so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you
ask me for anything, I will do it.
Humm!!
No matter how you cut it worshipping or praying to the saints is pagan,
God tells us that our prays are added to the prays of all His people
and somehow this message has been twisted that you have to pray to this
saint for that miracle or that saint for that miracle which is pagan in
nature and dishonours those saints that dedicated their lives to God.
Jesus specifically says ask in Jesus' name.
Acts 10:25-27 (NRSV)
25 On Peter's arrival Cornelius met him, and falling at his feet,
worshiped him. 26 But Peter made him get up, saying, "Stand up; I am
only a mortal." 27 And as he talked with him, he went in and found
that many had assembled;
(Act 14:14-18 CEV)
When the two apostles found out about this, they tore their clothes in
horror and ran to the crowd, shouting: Why are you doing this? We are
humans just like you. Please give up all this foolishness. Turn to the
living God, who made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in
them. In times past, God let each nation go its own way. But he showed
that he was there by the good things he did. God sends rain from
heaven and makes your crops grow. He gives food to you and makes your
hearts glad. Even after Paul and Barnabas had said all this, they
could hardly keep the people from offering a sacrifice to them.
Humm!!
Even those saints would tell you to pray to God as commanded by Jesus
himself.
(Mat 12:47-50 CEV)
Someone told Jesus, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside and
want to talk with you." Jesus answered, "Who is my mother and who are
my brothers?" Then he pointed to his disciples and said, "These are my
mother and my brothers! Anyone who obeys my Father in heaven is my
brother or sister or mother."
Humm!!
Jesus clearly states that those who do the will of God are His brother
or sister or mother. Mary is blessed of all women in that God chose
her, that through her God would come in human form into this world but
all God's people are special to God.
The reasons why His family wanted to see Him was for the not too Holy
purpose of restraining Him because in their human wisdom they thought
Jesus was mad.(Mark 3:20-21)
Deuteronomy 5:8-10 (NRSV)
8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing
children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth
generation of those who reject me, 10 but showing steadfast love to
the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my
commandments.
Psalm 97:6-7 (NRSV)
6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness;
and all the peoples behold his glory.
7 All worshipers of images are put to shame,
those who make their boast in worthless idols;
all gods bow down before him.
Humm!!
If God says not to make idols of anything, including people, and then
these idols/statues start displaying supernatural events then it is
probably demonic in nature and worse still are these manifestations in
spirit form telling God's people that they must worship the Virgin to
worship the Son. It is a sneaky way of getting God's people to worship
a demon because if they have to pray to this demon to pray to Jesus
then sure as anything this demon has become their god.
Revelation 19:9-10 (NRSV)
9 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are
invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These
are true words of God." 10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship
him, but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant
with you and your comrades who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship
God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
Humm!!
God's angels will tell you to worship God, the fallen angels/demonic
will want to be worshipped or will try and turn a believer in Christ
away from God by saying I will pass it on etc just give me your
prayers.
So who should we worship and pray to?
(1Ti 2:5 CEV)
There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is the only one who can bring
us to God. Jesus was truly human, and he gave himself to rescue all of
us.
The only queen of heaven mentioned in the whole bible is this one:
Jeremiah 7:18-19 (NRSV)
18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women
knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out
drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger. 19 Is it I whom
they provoke? says the Lord. Is it not themselves, to their own hurt?
So how should we pray?
Matthew 6:5-13 (ASV)
5And when ye pray, ye shall not be as the hypocrites: for they love to
stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,
that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have
received their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine
inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in
secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee. 7And
in praying use not vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do: for they
think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not
therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have
need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye. Our Father who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in
heaven, so on earth. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive
us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And bring us not
into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
P.s. Top marks for the Catholic churches stand on abortion, including
it's stand against the pill that stops the developing human from
attaching itself to the womb.
End times:
End times
http://mart1963.tripod.com/index.htm
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
03 Nov 2006 09:49:01 AM |
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"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162514023.033828.317980@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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This is evidence of a loving God????
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent animals with
thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be eaten alive by
other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, Wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill
and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends?
There are thousands of religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE VERIFIABLE
EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY gods. ALL god beliefs are based on
the 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
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| User: "martus" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
03 Nov 2006 05:01:37 PM |
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This is evidence of a loving God????
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
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As you will see from the following verses it is Satan that does the
killing. Do you have a problem with free will or do you prefer to be
told what to do and when to do it? In the end God will exercise God's
free will and throw Satan and all the rebellious into the lake of fire
in the final judgement. Use your free will wisely because their will be
consequences!
John 8:44
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye
will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
http://mart1963.tripod.com/index.htm
Job 1
Job's Character and Wealth
1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job, and that man
was blameless and upright, one who feared God and turned away from
evil. 2There were born to him seven sons and three daughters. 3He
possessed 7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, and 500 female
donkeys, and very many servants, so that this man was the greatest of
all the people of the east. 4His sons used to go and hold a feast in
the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their
three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5And when the days of the
feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate them, and he
would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to
the number of them all. For Job said, "It may be that my children have
sinned, and cursed[a] God in their hearts." Thus Job did continually.
Satan Allowed to Test Job
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the LORD, and Satan[b] also came among them. 7The LORD said to
Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said,
"From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on
it." 8And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job,
that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man,
who fears God and turns away from evil?" 9Then Satan answered the LORD
and said, "Does Job fear God for no reason? 10Have you not put a hedge
around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have
blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in
the land. 11But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he
will curse you to your face." 12And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold,
all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out
your hand." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
Satan Takes Job's Property and Children
13Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and
drinking wine in their oldest brother's house, 14and there came a
messenger to Job and said, "The oxen were plowing and the donkeys
feeding beside them, 15and the Sabeans fell upon them and took them and
struck down the servants[c] with the edge of the sword, and I alone
have escaped to tell you." 16While he was yet speaking, there came
another and said, "The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the
sheep and the servants and consumed them, and I alone have escaped to
tell you." 17While he was yet speaking, there came another and said,
"The Chaldeans formed three groups and made a raid on the camels and
took them and struck down the servants with the edge of the sword, and
I alone have escaped to tell you." 18While he was yet speaking, there
came another and said, "Your sons and daughters were eating and
drinking wine in their oldest brother's house, 19and behold, a great
wind came across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the
house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead, and I
alone have escaped to tell you."
20Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the
ground and worshiped. 21And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's
womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken
away; blessed be the name of the LORD."
22In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
02 Nov 2006 08:21:25 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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Firstly we are not this fallen angels children but God's.
Therefore the god that is sending her can only be Satan.
<snip>
How can anyone who claims to be a Christian believe that the mother
of Jesus is a fallen woman who is out to lead people astray?
Sheesh!
What nonsense you post!
You are so pathetic!
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "martus" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
03 Nov 2006 04:41:22 AM |
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Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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Firstly we are not this fallen angels children but God's.
Therefore the god that is sending her can only be Satan.
I am not talking about Jesus mother, I am talking about the fallen
angel that is impersonating her in those Medjugorje visions You know
the one that says to follow her and pray to her which is not Christian
but Satanic in nature.
How can anyone who claims to be a Christian believe that the mother
of Jesus is a fallen woman who is out to lead people astray?
Sheesh!
What nonsense you post!
You are so pathetic!
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
03 Nov 2006 08:14:23 AM |
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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Firstly we are not this fallen angels children but God's.
Therefore the god that is sending her can only be Satan.
I am not talking about Jesus mother, I am talking about the fallen
angel that is impersonating her in those Medjugorje visions You know
the one that says to follow her and pray to her which is not Christian
but Satanic in nature.
Fake visions are banned at Medjugorje. Only real visions are allowed to
appear there.
Satan is not a god. He is only a caricature of evil. You may picture
him any way you want and you can even make him look funny and color him
bad.
Praying to Mary is a good ol' Christian tradition. Even some protestants
pray to Mary. Mary isn't just for Catholics.
How can anyone who claims to be a Christian believe that the mother
of Jesus is a fallen woman who is out to lead people astray?
Sheesh!
What nonsense you post!
You are so pathetic!
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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| User: "martus" |
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| Title: Re: Ravings of a fallen angel called "Our Lady" |
03 Nov 2006 05:09:30 PM |
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Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, martus wrote:
Monthly message to Medjugorje seer Mirjana Soldo, 11/2/06:
"Dear children, my coming to you, my children, is God's love. God is
sending me to warn you and to show you the right way. Do not shut your
eyes before the truth, my children. Your time is a short time. Do not
permit delusions to begin to rule over you. The way on which I desire
to lead you is the way of peace and love. This is the way which leads
to my Son, your God. Give me your hearts that I may put my Son in them
and make my apostles of you -- apostles of peace and love. Thank you!"
from Our Lady
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Firstly we are not this fallen angels children but God's.
Therefore the god that is sending her can only be Satan.
I am not talking about Jesus mother, I am talking about the fallen
angel that is impersonating her in those Medjugorje visions You know
the one that says to follow her and pray to her which is not Christian
but Satanic in nature.
Fake visions are banned at Medjugorje. Only real visions are allowed to
appear there.
Satan is not a god. He is only a caricature of evil. You may picture
him any way you want and you can even make him look funny and color him
bad.
Praying to Mary is a good ol' Christian tradition. Even some protestants
pray to Mary. Mary isn't just for Catholics.
Christians follow Christ, Maryians follow Mary or Our Lady or whatever
this thing calls itself that has no ties to Christ except to delude
people away from Christ.
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