Religions > Bible > RCC opposition to contraception (Re: Westcott & Hort fraud
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Religions > Bible |
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"Yuri Kuchinsky" |
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14 Jan 2004 04:29:15 PM |
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RCC opposition to contraception (Re: Westcott & Hort fraud |
[Followups set]
Since this subject is off-topic to many of the old newsgroups, I've
directed the follow-ups to different newsgroups.
In soc.history.ancient Roger Pearse <> wrote
in article <3a88eeea.0401120953.54536747@posting.google.com>:
: (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0401111401.55ff9d55@posting.google.com>...
:> (Roger Pearse) wrote in message news:<3a88eeea.0401101541.133b738e@posting.google.com>...
:>
:> > I'm not an RC, but I don't see the point of fighting with RC's. They
:> > are the only denomination fighting the good fight in the US, and are
:> > being persecuted for so doing by the establishment under the excuse of
:> > concern about paedophilia. As far as I am concerned, we should always
:> > stand with those who are confessing Christ.
:>
:> Well, I think their opposition to contraception is just completely
:> crazy in our day and age.
: Do you know why they are opposed to it?
Sure. The desire to oppress women, and to make them produce more
Catholics.
: (I have some inklings, but as
: I say am not an RC). They are heavily demonised by the establishment
: for this, it is true.
I'm not sure about it.
: But have you ever seen them allowed to explain
: on the mass media why? I haven't.
I'm sure that anyone who wants to find their "reasons" will not have any
difficulty finding them.
: This leads me to suspect the topic will not survive rational argument.
I doubt it...
: The establishment enthusiasm for making women into volunteer whores is
: not, of course, a reputatable reason. Contraception is an essential
: part of that strategy. Telling women to take a poison supposed to
: cause 'temporary' sterility, in order to make them sexually available
: to men, sounds a lot like systematic human rights abuse to me.
What about condoms? Are they poison?
Also, the way you're attempting to defend RCC opposition to contraception
as "defence of women's rights" seems somewhat facetious to me...
: All the best,
: Roger Pearse
Regards,
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky in Toronto -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than
to put out on the troubled seas of thought -=O=- John K. Galbraith
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| User: "Roger Pearse" |
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| Title: Re: RCC opposition to contraception (Re: Westcott & Hort fraud |
15 Jan 2004 02:57:10 PM |
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Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@clio.trends.ca> wrote in message news:<%ojNb.250$x75.217281655@news.nnrp.ca>...
[Followups set]
Since this subject is off-topic to many of the old newsgroups, I've
directed the follow-ups to different newsgroups.
Fair enough.
In soc.history.ancient Roger Pearse < > wrote
in article <3a88eeea.0401120953.54536747@posting.google.com>:
: (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote in message news:<2b61489c.0401111401.55ff9d55@posting.google.com>...
:> (Roger Pearse) wrote in message news:<3a88eeea.0401101541.133b738e@posting.google.com>...
:>
:> > I'm not an RC, but I don't see the point of fighting with RC's. They
:> > are the only denomination fighting the good fight in the US, and are
:> > being persecuted for so doing by the establishment under the excuse of
:> > concern about paedophilia. As far as I am concerned, we should always
:> > stand with those who are confessing Christ.
:>
:> Well, I think their opposition to contraception is just completely
:> crazy in our day and age.
: Do you know why they are opposed to it?
Sure. The desire to oppress women, and to make them produce more
Catholics.
Um. This sounds a bit like saying the Catholics must be wrong because
they oppress women, and we know they oppress women because they are
Catholics.
Catholic thinking is very well thought out.
: (I have some inklings, but as
: I say am not an RC). They are heavily demonised by the establishment
: for this, it is true.
I'm not sure about it.
: But have you ever seen them allowed to explain
: on the mass media why? I haven't.
I'm sure that anyone who wants to find their "reasons" will not have any
difficulty finding them.
You've not heard them either, then? Me neither. And we're both
intelligent people. I'm just wondering why it's being kept quiet.
: This leads me to suspect the topic will not survive rational argument.
I doubt it...
: The establishment enthusiasm for making women into volunteer whores is
: not, of course, a reputatable reason. Contraception is an essential
: part of that strategy. Telling women to take a poison supposed to
: cause 'temporary' sterility, in order to make them sexually available
: to men, sounds a lot like systematic human rights abuse to me.
What about condoms? Are they poison?
Dunno. I'm told they taste funny.
I have no idea what the thinking is here. As I said, I have some
inklings about the pill.
Also, the way you're attempting to defend RCC opposition to contraception
as "defence of women's rights" seems somewhat facetious to me...
Well, I didn't intend to give any such impression. Perhaps we're both
too accustomed to thinking on this as we're told to think. A lot of
people go around telling us they are 'tolerant' and anyone who
disagrees with them is 'intolerant'. Rather than accepting labels, we
need to think about the issues (to you of all people, I know, this is
not news, but point this idea in this direction too and see what comes
out).
What I am doing is taking up the drains and looking, not at the issue
as we are told to look at it, but as it really is -- what is *really*
involved, who really wants this or that, what people really want.
You've done the same yourself on many issues, Yuri, so do consider the
possibility we're all being stuffed here. I should add that as a
Christian bachelor, the issue for me is entirely theoretical. But I
am uncomfortable with the lack of debate on something that affects 50%
of the population in the West in a way liable to cause misery.
Particularly when I can see some serious grounds for concern.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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