Religions > Bible > Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2
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21 Aug 2007 09:38:19 AM |
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Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2 |
On Aug 21, 11:58 pm, "J.H.Boersema" <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
There's plenty of opportunity for the deity in the TaNaKh to advise
`yisrael` of a future 'vicarious sacrifice' or of a "Messiah" who will
lay down his life for all humanity,
yet there is not one instance in the TaNaKh suggesting anything of
such a model,
nor is there even an instance in the TaNaKh describing a "Messiah".
all this is post-exilic, Neo-Zoroastriann and Mithraic.
it's syncretism.
How about:
- There were Jews, who had the laws of Moses/Noah, they had lots of
laws, good laws. Had they kept them all the time, their economy
should have done very well, and brought good people to power.
They rejected what they called idols, worship of fantastical
inventions and their spokespeople. The jews were under threat
from many others around them, tribes. It should be said that
both jews and these other tribes were violent and prone to war.
Sometimes the jews went back to idol-worship.
- There were tribes in the rest of the world, who did not have the
laws of Moses/Noah. They did worship idols, and did listen to
the spokespeople of these idols.
A very good post. Well thought out and an interesting
idea except that Jesus doesn't represent Idol worship at all. The
very sign of the cross is a fabrication because scriptures clearly say
he was "hung on a tree". Idol worship is the fabrication of those
dark powers that manipulate modern churches to disregard the Sabbath.
The fact that men can read scriptures and have such different visions
of what is in that black and white print shows just how powerful the
"spiritual wickedness in high places" are.
Over and over the Messianic scriptures repeat to obey the
commands and of those first Ten, two are broken when "Christians"
blindly go to church on SUNday and bow down before the graven image of
the cross without a single thought about just how worthless it is.
Even worse when they pray to Mary and practice witchcraft without
thinking twice that it's speaking with the dead. This is not a sign
post on the road it's a diversion leading people in entirely the wrong
direction.
When people are more concerned about taking Christ out of X-
Mass then practicing the Passover and days of unleaven bread, they are
hopelessly lost picking between "the devil they know and the devil
they don't know." It's only a path to backsliding into paganism and
confusion and it's no wonder Christians massive problems with adultry,
pornography, coveting and the list goes on and on. Because of this
mass disception people only get more lost with all the signs leading
down into the valley of death. They may fear no evil but brother,
they better start because unless they learn the law of life, nothings
going to save them from the law of sin and death.
Snow
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| User: "Pam Stroud" |
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21 Aug 2007 10:08:41 PM |
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On 8/21/07 9:38 AM, in article
1187707099.375670.286140@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "snowpheonix"
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Over and over the Messianic scriptures repeat to obey the
commands and of those first Ten, two are broken when "Christians"
blindly go to church on SUNday
In the NT, Christians assembled on the first day of the week, which people
in my church refer to as The Lord's Day.
Do you mean to say you never use pagan terminology like Thor's Day or
Woden's Day, or the Moon's Day?
Quite a few Christians do not pray to Mary, or to anyone but the Father, and
quite a few do not pray to images.
What country do you live in?
Pam
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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22 Aug 2007 08:25:39 AM |
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On Aug 22, 1:08 pm, Pam Stroud <paminaus...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
On 8/21/07 9:38 AM, in article
1187707099.375670.286...@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "snowpheonix"
<snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
Over and over the Messianic scriptures repeat to obey the
commands and of those first Ten, two are broken when "Christians"
blindly go to church on SUNday
In the NT, Christians assembled on the first day of the week, which people
in my church refer to as The Lord's Day.
Do you mean to say you never use pagan terminology like Thor's Day or
Woden's Day, or the Moon's Day?
Quite a few Christians do not pray to Mary, or to anyone but the Father, and
quite a few do not pray to images.
What country do you live in?
Pam
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also
transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Pam, you are not correct about the NT church keeping SUNday. An study
of passages from scriptures clearly show the church practicing not
only the Sabbath but also several other "jewish" days that were set
apart or holy as you would say.
Sabbath (Seventh Day of the Week)
This day was blessed and set apart by Elohim at creation (Ber.
2:2-3).
Later on it was instituted as the sign of the everlasting covenant
between Elohim and His people, a sign that He sets them apart, an
everlasting sign (Shem. 31:13-17, Yeh ez. 20:12-20). Sabbath-keeping
is one of the Ten Words of the Covenant, standing forever, settled
forever in heaven, founded forever (Teh. 89:34, Teh. 111:8-9, Teh.
119:89). We would like to point out the following:
(1) kept the Sabbath (Lk. 4:16, Yn. 15:10), and the women who
were taught by Him still kept it at the time of Messiah's burial (Lk.
23:56).
(2) Sha'ul kept it (Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42-44, Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4 &
11).
(3) Ludia and the women kept it (Acts 16:13). (4) In Heb. 4:9 we
are
again reminded of the necessity of keeping the Sabbath!
(5) Finally: After the end-time judgment has come upon this earth
(Yesh. 66), and a new heavens and a new earth is established, we read
in Yesh. 66:23 that the Sabbath shall still be kept!
(6) Who then changed it to Sunday, in effect nullifying it? In Dan.
7:25 we read of a horn, a sovereign (remember: in those days the
gentiles regarded their sovereigns as deities). This one is often
interpreted as being the Anti-Messiah, the enemy of the Chosen
People.
In Dan. 7:25 we read that he would "intend to change appointed times
(or, festivals) and law."
You won't believe me because you want to defend your man made
tradition.
Deu 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his
commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with
thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong
thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, forever.
You'll say it's just for Jews.. I've seen it a hundred times.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least
commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in
the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same
shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even
as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
How many times must the messiah tell you to repent and obey? You want
your Messiah but you don't want his Laws. I know you'll say two laws
but remember:
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also
transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
The Commandments of God! So what excuse will you come up with to keep
your tradition and not Elohim's?
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| User: "Pam Stroud" |
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| Title: Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2 |
22 Aug 2007 05:38:11 PM |
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On 8/22/07 8:25 AM, in article
1187789139.343849.144540@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "snowpheonix"
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Pam, you are not correct about the NT church keeping SUNday. An study
of passages from scriptures clearly show the church practicing not
only the Sabbath but also several other "jewish" days that were set
apart or holy as you would say.
I know they kept the Sabbath (at least the Jewish disciples did) but they
assembled "on the first day of the week", AKA The Lord's Day.
But my question is whether you object to anyone using the pagan term for the
first day of the week -- or the second, for that matter. I ask because you
keep mentioning SUNday.
Pam
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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22 Aug 2007 06:36:19 PM |
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On Aug 23, 8:38 am, Pam Stroud <paminaus...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
The "lord's day" is a piece of unscriptural fiction.
Exo 31:13 "And you, speak to the children of Yisra' l, saying, 'My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, , am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of setting us apart, the only
sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being
the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
did you read the part where it says, "By all means".
Exo 31:16 'And the children of Yisra' l shall guard the Sabbath, to
observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting
covenant.
How about the "everlasting" covenant?
Lev 24:8 "On every Sabbath he is to arrange it before
continually, from the children of Yisra' l - an everlasting covenant.
Isa 56:4 For thus said , "To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths,
and have chosen what pleases Me, and hold fast to My covenant:
Isa 56:6 "Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to ,
to serve Him, and to love the Name of , to be His servants, all
who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My
covenant -
For the sons of the foreigner who join themselves...
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
Repeated again in the NT scriptures.
Mat 5:19 "Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens;
but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
reign of the heavens.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
Sunday worship is the "commandments of men", not from the scriptures
and Paul says these practices are worthless.
Col 2:21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle" -
Col 2:22 which are all to perish with use - according to the commands
and teachings of men?1 Footnote: 1Note: commands and teachings of men,
not of Elohim.
Col 2:23 These indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed
worship, humiliation and harsh treatment of the body - of no value at
all, only for satisfaction of the flesh.
It may make your body feel good to go to church on Sunday but it does
nothing for salvation.
Pam
I would be willing to show the truth to anybody that would hear it..
the scriptures usually fall on deaf ears though and it's a shame.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea,
we establish the law.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in
it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger
that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea,
and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the
LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We acknowledge the creator on his Sabbath only, by any means and even
the stranger!
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22 Aug 2007 07:32:21 PM |
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On Aug 22, 6:36 pm, snowpheonix <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:38 am, Pam Stroud <paminaus...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
The "lord's day" is a piece of unscriptural fiction.
Well, at least on one occasion, the ecclesia ("called out") met on the
first day of the week, whatever you want to call it:
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break
bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the
next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8There were many lamps in
the upstairs room where we were meeting.
Exo 31:13 "And you, speak to the children of Yisra' l, saying, 'My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, , am setting
you apart.
Yes, but I am not an Israelite. And in any case, keeping the Sabbath
and assembling together are not the same thing. You could keep the
Sabbath and assemble on any day of the week you wanted. We assemble on
Woden's Day as well as Sun's Day (though we prefer to call it Lord's
Day, since that's the day Jesus rose).
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Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
Repeated again in the NT scriptures.
Notice that Hebrews is written to the Hebrews.
Mat 5:19 "Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens;
but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
reign of the heavens.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
Sunday worship is the "commandments of men", not from the scriptures
and Paul says these practices are worthless.
Keep in mind that Matthew is the gospel to the Jews.
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I would be willing to show the truth to anybody that would hear it..
the scriptures usually fall on deaf ears though and it's a shame.
All of us here feel the same way, and probably the truth as seen by no
two people is ever precisely the same.
Even if this constitutes in your eyes ignoring the truth, and
therefore an insult and offense to you, I can't very well lie about my
beliefs to spare you, can I?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea,
we establish the law.
Romans 3
14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but
under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under
grace? By no means!
16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him
as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey-whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to
righteousness?
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in
it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger
that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea,
and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the
LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We acknowledge the creator on his Sabbath only,
??? What about the other six days?
by any means and even
the stranger!
BTW, I have my own opinions about entering into the Sabbath rest, for
which the OT Sabbath was a type, but something tells me you would not
interested in hearing about it.
Pam
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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22 Aug 2007 09:29:54 PM |
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On Aug 23, 10:32 am, wrote:
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break
bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the
next day, kept on talking until midnight. 8There were many lamps in
the upstairs room where we were meeting.
Look at the the verse before it.
Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of
unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we
abode seven days.
You might ask, why seven days since you don't know the feast of
Unleavened bread and why the first day? Why did he preach all night?
The fact that the modern church doesn't observe the law of Moses (also
called the law of life) shows why you would believe this to be your
"Lord's day".
Exo 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first
day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth
leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul
shall be cut off from Israel.
Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and
in the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation to you; no manner
of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat,
that only may be done of you.
Exo 12:17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in
this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt:
therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an
ordinance forever.
Deu 16:4 "And no leaven should be seen with you in all your border for
seven days, neither should any of the meat which you slaughter in the
evening on the first day stay all night until morning.
Deu 16:5 "You are not allowed to slaughter the Passover within any of
your gates which Yahweh your Elohim gives you,
Deu 16:6 but at the place where Yahweh your Elohim chooses to
make His Name dwell, there you slaughter the Passover in the evening,
at the going down of the sun, at the appointed time you came out of
Mitsrayim.
Deu 16:7 "And you shall roast and eat it in the place which
Yahweh your Elohim chooses, and in the morning you shall turn and go
to your tents.
Deu 16:8 "Six days you eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day
there is a closing festival to Yahweh your Elohim - you do no
work.
Notice that Hebrews is written to the Hebrews.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures,
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and
persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:
for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor
free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ
Jesus.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor
uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all,
and in all.
Keep in mind that Matthew is the gospel to the Jews.
You like to be a challange. Alright, I'll play by your rules.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the
tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such
like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of
God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I
speak.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and
just, and good.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there
is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the
ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves
damnation.
I would be willing to show the truth to anybody that would hear it..
the scriptures usually fall on deaf ears though and it's a shame.
All of us here feel the same way, and probably the truth as seen by no
two people is ever precisely the same.
Even if this constitutes in your eyes ignoring the truth, and
therefore an insult and offense to you, I can't very well lie about my
beliefs to spare you, can I?
I am in no way insulted and am glad that you took the time to instruct
me of your belief. I have a high respect for your understanding and
will continue.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven
leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new
lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed
for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither
with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened
bread of sincerity and truth.
Romans 3
14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but
under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under
grace? By no means!
16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him
as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey-whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to
righteousness?
With this passage you make my point. Whose laws do you obey? Do you
obey the commandments of the one true Elohim of scriptures or your
local church leaders? You are a slave to the master you obey.
??? What about the other six days?
It's always good to keep his word daily but the Sabbath is set apart
for his people.
to make this point I'd like to show you how another version of
scriptures read,
Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:9 "Six days you labour, and shall do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of your Elohim. You
do not do any work - you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your
male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your
stranger who is within your gates. Footnote: 1There are other
Sabbaths, but this is the weekly Sabbath.
Only Elohim set's things apart or as you would say, make holy.
BTW, I have my own opinions about entering into the Sabbath rest, for
which the OT Sabbath was a type, but something tells me you would not
interested in hearing about it.
I'm always happy to hear them but don't be suprised if I use
scriptures to refute it. I am in no way angry or frustrated because I
have seen the same pattern a hundred times now. I'm use to having new
and strange rules placed into speaking the truth.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.
The Torah tells us the will of our Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth
them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock:
You can't just "hear" him you must also do what he says.
Pam
Snow
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
If you become interested in a Sabbath practicing church, I'd
recommened,
www.ucg.org <-- they are a worldwide Sabbath practicing church in many
nations.
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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22 Aug 2007 10:03:21 PM |
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On Aug 23, 10:32 am, wrote:
Or consider just these passages,
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Notice the dragon doesn't make war with the remnant that only have the
testimony and worship on Sunday. They keep the commandments of God
which means they practice the Sabbth.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep
the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may
have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates
into the city.
Keep the Commandments of God AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ!
Another scripture version puts it like this..
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to
fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of
Elohim and possessing the witness of Messiah.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones,1 here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of . Footnotes:
1In 12:17 they are called "the remnant"
Rev 22:14 "Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority
shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates
into the city.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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22 Aug 2007 12:11:25 PM |
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Pam Stroud a ecrit :
On 8/21/07 9:38 AM, in article
1187707099.375670.286140@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "snowpheonix"
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Over and over the Messianic scriptures repeat to obey the
commands and of those first Ten, two are broken when "Christians"
blindly go to church on SUNday
In the NT, Christians assembled on the first day of the week, which people
in my church refer to as The Lord's Day.
Do you mean to say you never use pagan terminology like Thor's Day or
Woden's Day, or the Moon's Day?
in the Greek NT the `iesou` character is using pagan language left and
right.
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| User: "psalmsmith" |
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22 Aug 2007 01:32:58 PM |
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In article <1187802685.788938.315180@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
Pam Stroud a ecrit :
On 8/21/07 9:38 AM, in article
1187707099.375670.286140@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "snowpheonix"
<snowpheonix@eck.net.au> wrote:
Over and over the Messianic scriptures repeat to obey the
commands and of those first Ten, two are broken when "Christians"
blindly go to church on SUNday
In the NT, Christians assembled on the first day of the week, which people
in my church refer to as The Lord's Day.
Do you mean to say you never use pagan terminology like Thor's Day or
Woden's Day, or the Moon's Day?
in the Greek NT the `iesou` character is using pagan language left and
right.
Some Pagans have also worshipped the moon. Does that mean that the
Lunar Calendar should be abolished? Of course not! The leaven of pagan
practices is a propter hoc relationship. You don't reject something
because Pagans have also used it. Pagans have spoken English, should we
reject English? Pagans have spoken Hebrew and Aramaic. Should we
therefore reject Hebrew and Aramaic?
What must be rejected, are those things which have their origins in
pagan practice. The Feast of Firstfruits (Bikkurim) falls on the first
day of the week and that is what we should observe, but celebrating the
fertility rites of Oestre likewise takes place on a Sunday, but are evil
and should not be practiced.
"After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye
dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land
of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither
shall ye walk in their ordinances." Leviticus 18:3, KJV.
"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation,
which I cast out before you: for they committed all these
things, and therefore I abhorred them." Leviticus 20:23,
KJV.
"Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by
following them, after that they be destroyed from before
thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying,
How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do
likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for
every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they
done unto their gods; for even their sons and their
daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods."
Deuteronomy 12:30-31, KJV.
"Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you,
O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way
of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of
heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the
customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree
out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman,
with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold;
they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move
not." Jeremiah 10:1-4, KJV.
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2 |
22 Aug 2007 01:40:12 PM |
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On Aug 23, 3:11 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
in the Greek NT the `iesou` character is using pagan language left and
right.
I credit that to the scribes who wrote "translated" it from the Latin
and Hebrew. We can safely correct these errors if we use the Original
as you've stated many times to correct these errors.
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with
us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in
vain.
Jer 8:8 "How do you say, 'We are wise, and the Torah of is with
us'? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Stop making me agree with you.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2 |
23 Aug 2007 12:20:27 PM |
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snowpheonix napisal(a):
On Aug 23, 3:11 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
in the Greek NT the `iesou` character is using pagan language left and
right.
I credit that to the scribes who wrote "translated" it from the Latin
and Hebrew. We can safely correct these errors if we use the Original
as you've stated many times to correct these errors.
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with
us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in
vain.
Jer 8:8 "How do you say, 'We are wise, and the Torah of is with
us'? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Stop making me agree with you.
You then imply that there is 'Another NT' in Aramaic behind it all --
and if so, inescapably there is another "Jesus".
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| User: "snowpheonix" |
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| Title: Re: 10 or 613 Commandments, Did Christ void the Law 2 |
03 Sep 2007 12:39:21 AM |
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On Aug 24, 3:20 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" > > On Aug 23, 3:11 am,
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
in the Greek NT the `iesou` character is using pagan language left and
right.
I credit that to the scribes who wrote "translated" it from the Latin
and Hebrew. We can safely correct these errors if we use the Original
as you've stated many times to correct these errors.
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and thelawof the LORD is with
us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in
vain.
Jer 8:8 "How do you say, 'We are wise, and the Torah of is with
us'? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood.
Stop making me agree with you.
You then imply that there is 'Another NT' in Aramaic behind it all --
and if so, inescapably there is another "Jesus".- Hide quoted text -
No, just more translations.
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