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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Jason Gastrich" |
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16 Feb 2005 07:07:40 PM |
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Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
Steve Knight wrote:
On 16 Feb 2005 15:13:38 -0800, "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com>
wrote:
For reference, here are the subsequently mentioned passages from the
King James Version:
Why are you crossposting this to alt.atheism?
Are you under some 'misguided' brainwashing that your dumb bible is
relevant here?
Last question.
Do you have the wit to explain?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Hey "Warlord" Steve,
I think Grinder's on your side. I know it's common to for you to treat
Christians with disrespect, but this is a new one.
Why does atheist Doug Krueger spend most of his book (called "Atheism: An
Introduction") addressing the Bible? Why does atheist Dan Barker write a
book called Losing Faith in Faith and do the same?
I suppose if atheists would stop talking about the scriptures, then you'd
have a case. However, as it stands, the Bible is a very important issue to
atheists. Just look at Grinder and his message, for instance. If the Bible
is not important to you, then you are in the minority (again).
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 80,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
16 Feb 2005 07:41:52 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Steve Knight wrote:
On 16 Feb 2005 15:13:38 -0800, "Grinder" <grinder2112@gmail.com>
wrote:
For reference, here are the subsequently mentioned passages from
the
King James Version:
Why are you crossposting this to alt.atheism?
Are you under some 'misguided' brainwashing that your dumb bible
is
relevant here?
Last question.
Do you have the wit to explain?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Hey "Warlord" Steve,
I think Grinder's on your side. I know it's common to for you to
treat
Christians with disrespect, but this is a new one.
Well, not really, Jason.
It isn't uncommon for atheists to act in every bit as much a knee-jerk
reaction as a Christian.
All parties are human, after all.
Why does atheist Doug Krueger spend most of his book (called
"Atheism: An
Introduction") addressing the Bible? Why does atheist Dan Barker
write a
book called Losing Faith in Faith and do the same?
And why, when you presumed to INTERVIEW and "debtate" Dan Barker, did
you not read his book in preparation, as any competent interviewer
would have done?
I suppose if atheists would stop talking about the scriptures, then
you'd
have a case. However, as it stands, the Bible is a very important
issue to
atheists.
Are you presuming to speak for atheists now, Jason?
Just look at Grinder and his message, for instance. If the Bible
is not important to you, then you are in the minority (again).
I suspect you are being presumptuous yet again, Jason.
That SOME atheists take an interest in the Bible is hardly evidence
that ALL do, or even that MOST do.
alt.atheism, as busy as it can get, represents only the opinions of the
individual writers, not the opinions or interests of ALL atheists.
That SOME atheists write about the Bible and their experiences with it
and views with respect to it does not indicate that it carries any
importance at all to ALL atheists.
I would ask how you came to such a simplistic, stupid conclusion, but
knowing your "thinking" processes as I do, it's simple enough to
divine, and questions I know the answer to are questions I don't need
to ask.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
17 Feb 2005 07:40:19 PM |
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On 16 Feb 2005 17:41:52 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Hey "Warlord" Steve,
I think Grinder's on your side. I know it's common to for you to
treat
Christians with disrespect, but this is a new one.
Did you say 'disrespect'? Like it's a bad thing to do to a
christian?
Oh.. wait...
I get it. This is part of the christian meme forcing society to
think 'disrespecting' superstitious fantasy is bad. Like a hate crime.
You should be 'respected' for believing in myth. It's a 'good'
thing. All the impossible claims you make should be 'respected'
because...... it's fucking religion!
Having your ilk tell me I'm an immoral piece of scum that deserves
eternal torture is something I should 'respect'.
Gasbag, you don't have a fucking clue or care what atheists have to
endure living around you. It fucking sucks.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
17 Feb 2005 08:13:02 PM |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:40:19 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Gasbag, you don't have a fucking clue or care what atheists have to
endure living around you. It fucking sucks.
If you think this is bad, wait till you see the alternative ..
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
17 Feb 2005 09:14:04 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:40:19 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
Gasbag, you don't have a fucking clue or care what atheists have
to
endure living around you. It fucking sucks.
If you think this is bad, wait till you see the alternative ..
There's only one alternative, George?
What makes you say that?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
20 Feb 2005 11:31:58 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:13:02 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:40:19 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net> wrote:
Gasbag, you don't have a fucking clue or care what atheists have to
endure living around you. It fucking sucks.
If you think this is bad, wait till you see the alternative ..
You're a Christian? BOY! Are *YOU* in for a shock.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
Zymurgist # 2
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
17 Feb 2005 11:52:19 PM |
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Steve Knight wrote:
On 16 Feb 2005 17:41:52 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Hey "Warlord" Steve,
I think Grinder's on your side. I know it's common to for you to
treat Christians with disrespect, but this is a new one.
Did you say 'disrespect'? Like it's a bad thing to do to a
christian?
Oh.. wait...
I get it. This is part of the christian meme forcing society to
think 'disrespecting' superstitious fantasy is bad. Like a hate crime.
You should be 'respected' for believing in myth. It's a 'good'
thing. All the impossible claims you make should be 'respected'
because...... it's fucking religion!
Having your ilk tell me I'm an immoral piece of scum that deserves
eternal torture is something I should 'respect'.
Gasbag, you don't have a fucking clue or care what atheists have to
endure living around you. It fucking sucks.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
Thanks for your message, Steve.
Don't forget that Christians believe that they too are immoral and deserving
of eternal torture. The only thing that separates us is the fact that we
have humbled ourselves and admitted this to God and to the world.
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 80,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
18 Feb 2005 08:37:33 AM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nofRd.3586$VD5.331@twister.socal.rr.com:
Don't forget that Christians believe that they too are immoral and
deserving of eternal torture. The only thing that separates us is the
fact that we have humbled ourselves and admitted this to God and to
the world.
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards on the
planet! You see your selves as God's special pets, He dotes on you,
listens to your prayers, changes the universe to meet your whims. You
are so proud, so arrogant, so certain of yourselves that you go out into
the world stealing babies from their families so you can share your
"humility" with them. (Yes, you have. In Europe, in North America, in
South America, in Australia, and last month in Asia.) You try to push
your religious ***** off on the rest of us through legislation, and by
forcing it into the schools.
Humbled? No. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance and your
will to stay that way. Jason, your stupidity continues to amaze me.
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that ignorance has no
lower limit.
--
Enkidu
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
-- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 02:34:07 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nofRd.3586$VD5.331@twister.socal.rr.com:
Don't forget that Christians believe that they too are immoral and
deserving of eternal torture. The only thing that separates us is
the fact that we have humbled ourselves and admitted this to God and
to the world.
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards on
the planet!
This is a wicked generalization.
You see your selves as God's special pets, He dotes on
you, listens to your prayers, changes the universe to meet your
whims.
Untrue. God punishes disobedience and He blesses obedience. Christians
simply acknowledge Him and His laws and ways.
You are so proud, so arrogant, so certain of yourselves
Since when is being certain a crime?
that
you go out into the world stealing babies from their families so you
can share your "humility" with them.
More poor generalizations.
(Yes, you have. In Europe, in
North America, in South America, in Australia, and last month in
Asia.) You try to push your religious ***** off on the rest of us
through legislation, and by forcing it into the schools.
.. . . yet more, unfounded generalizations.
Humbled? No. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance and
your will to stay that way.
Atheistic elitism noted.
Jason, your stupidity continues to amaze
me.
Personal attack noted.
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me calling you the
same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 80,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 06:19:53 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com:
Enkidu wrote:
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nofRd.3586$VD5.331@twister.socal.rr.com:
Don't forget that Christians believe that they too are immoral and
deserving of eternal torture. The only thing that separates us is
the fact that we have humbled ourselves and admitted this to God and
to the world.
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards on
the planet!
This is a wicked generalization.
No, not a generalization. It describes you in particular.
You see your selves as God's special pets, He dotes on
you, listens to your prayers, changes the universe to meet your
whims.
Untrue. God punishes disobedience and He blesses obedience.
Christians simply acknowledge Him and His laws and ways.
So, He listens to your prayers, and changes the universe to "punish
disobedience and bless obedience"? Sounds like you agree with me here.
You are so proud, so arrogant, so certain of yourselves
Since when is being certain a crime?
It's arrogant to think you have certain, infallible knowledge guiding
your actions. That's what led to the inquisition.
that
you go out into the world stealing babies from their families so you
can share your "humility" with them.
More poor generalizations.
Nope, the truth.
(Yes, you have. In Europe, in
North America, in South America, in Australia, and last month in
Asia.) You try to push your religious ***** off on the rest of us
through legislation, and by forcing it into the schools.
No, absolutley true. Or can you refute these facts?
. . . yet more, unfounded generalizations.
Humbled? No. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance and
your will to stay that way.
Atheistic elitism noted.
Jason, your stupidity continues to amaze
me.
Personal attack noted.
Note it all you want. Your didn't refute a singe point.
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You haven't demonstrated this point either.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever
writing anything to equal it.
-- Oscar Wilde
Now playing: The Beat Farmers - Baby's Liquored Up
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 04:21:07 AM |
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In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me calling you the
same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
--
Greg
----
greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 04:27:15 AM |
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Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me calling
you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I admit my
sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the Creator while you
refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
JG
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 80,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 12:42:01 PM |
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In article <7wERd.4344$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me calling
you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I admit my
sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the Creator while you
refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
I'm sorry Jason. I shouldn't have implied that you are proud and
arrogant. I must have confused you with that guy that constantly
touts his sham doctorate, that is always bragging about how many
web pages he has, that shows his piety, in violation of Jesus's
command, by praying for people who don't want or need to be
prayed for, who thinks he's more of an expert wrt evolution than
any scientist, even though he can't even support his own
position, who thinks that the bible is correct in saying that
bats are birds because they have feathers, but in finding out
they don't, doesn't correct his position, who posts bogus quotes
on his web site because they support his position, who censors
the guest book on his web site if anyone who disagrees with him
signs it, who claims to be able to explain any bible problem,
even though his explanations are routinely shown to be laughable,
who posts examples of his vocal talent to his web site that would
make Simon Cowell cringe, who mistakes his hobby for a real job
and who now wants to get a master list of all atheists for who
knows what reason. I don't know how I could have made that
mistake. Please forgive me.
--
Greg
----
greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 05:48:03 PM |
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Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <7wERd.4344$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me
calling you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I
admit my sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the
Creator while you refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
I'm sorry Jason. I shouldn't have implied that you are proud and
arrogant. I must have confused you with that guy that constantly
touts his sham doctorate, that is always bragging about how many
web pages he has, that shows his piety, in violation of Jesus's
command, by praying for people who don't want or need to be
prayed for, who thinks he's more of an expert wrt evolution than
any scientist, even though he can't even support his own
position, who thinks that the bible is correct in saying that
bats are birds because they have feathers, but in finding out
they don't, doesn't correct his position, who posts bogus quotes
on his web site because they support his position, who censors
the guest book on his web site if anyone who disagrees with him
signs it, who claims to be able to explain any bible problem,
even though his explanations are routinely shown to be laughable,
who posts examples of his vocal talent to his web site that would
make Simon Cowell cringe, who mistakes his hobby for a real job
and who now wants to get a master list of all atheists for who
knows what reason. I don't know how I could have made that
mistake. Please forgive me.
Ah, yes. More atheist love. Always seeing the glass as half full, eh?
Bottom line: I've admitted that I'm a sinner to God and the world and in
turn, I've been forgiven. You haven't.
Regards,
Jason
--
--------
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 80,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Gregory A Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 09:34:35 PM |
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In article <TeQRd.5610$VD5.2434@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <7wERd.4344$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me
calling you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I
admit my sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the
Creator while you refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
I'm sorry Jason. I shouldn't have implied that you are proud and
arrogant. I must have confused you with that guy that constantly
touts his sham doctorate, that is always bragging about how many
web pages he has, that shows his piety, in violation of Jesus's
command, by praying for people who don't want or need to be
prayed for, who thinks he's more of an expert wrt evolution than
any scientist, even though he can't even support his own
position, who thinks that the bible is correct in saying that
bats are birds because they have feathers, but in finding out
they don't, doesn't correct his position, who posts bogus quotes
on his web site because they support his position, who censors
the guest book on his web site if anyone who disagrees with him
signs it, who claims to be able to explain any bible problem,
even though his explanations are routinely shown to be laughable,
who posts examples of his vocal talent to his web site that would
make Simon Cowell cringe, who mistakes his hobby for a real job
and who now wants to get a master list of all atheists for who
knows what reason. I don't know how I could have made that
mistake. Please forgive me.
Ah, yes. More atheist love.
You need more practice if you want to do sarcasm. And this may
surprise you, while I don't love you, I also don't hate you.
Always seeing the glass as half full, eh?
Half full?
Bottom line: I've admitted that I'm a sinner to God and the world and in
turn, I've been forgiven. You haven't.
Thank you for including this statement in a post where we are
discussing whether or not you are proud and arrogant.
--
Greg
----
greg -at- spencersoft -dot- com
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 09:41:03 PM |
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"Gregory A Greenman" <see@sig.below> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c81c147ee5f438c9896e2@news.comcast.giganews.com...
| In article <TeQRd.5610$VD5.2434@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
| Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
(snip)
| > Ah, yes. More atheist love.
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| You need more practice if you want to do sarcasm. And this may
| surprise you, while I don't love you, I also don't hate you.
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| > Always seeing the glass as half full, eh?
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| Half full?
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| > Bottom line: I've admitted that I'm a sinner to God and the world and in
| > turn, I've been forgiven. You haven't.
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| Thank you for including this statement in a post where we are
| discussing whether or not you are proud and arrogant.
|
You're good, Greg. I prostrate myself in your general direction. :)
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9 |
19 Feb 2005 05:53:05 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <7wERd.4344$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me
calling you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I
admit my sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from
the
Creator while you refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
I'm sorry Jason. I shouldn't have implied that you are proud and
arrogant. I must have confused you with that guy that constantly
touts his sham doctorate, that is always bragging about how many
web pages he has, that shows his piety, in violation of Jesus's
command, by praying for people who don't want or need to be
prayed for, who thinks he's more of an expert wrt evolution than
any scientist, even though he can't even support his own
position, who thinks that the bible is correct in saying that
bats are birds because they have feathers, but in finding out
they don't, doesn't correct his position, who posts bogus quotes
on his web site because they support his position, who censors
the guest book on his web site if anyone who disagrees with him
signs it, who claims to be able to explain any bible problem,
even though his explanations are routinely shown to be laughable,
who posts examples of his vocal talent to his web site that would
make Simon Cowell cringe, who mistakes his hobby for a real job
and who now wants to get a master list of all atheists for who
knows what reason. I don't know how I could have made that
mistake. Please forgive me.
Ah, yes. More atheist love.
Atheists don't claim to "love," Jason.
Always seeing the glass as half full, eh?
Can't help but notice that you didn't respond to a single point made
above.
Bottom line: I've admitted that I'm a sinner to God and the world and
in
turn, I've been forgiven. You haven't.
No, Jason, the "bottom line" is that you are a bottom-feeder, to use
your recent words, with respect to the human race.
You want the rest of us to join you.
And it galls you that we won't do that.
I think that's more accurate. Don't you?
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20 Feb 2005 11:51:22 PM |
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On 19 Feb 2005 15:53:05 -0800, "David" <hdsienkiewicz@yahoo.com> said
in alt.atheism:
No, Jason, the "bottom line" is that you are a bottom-feeder, to use
your recent words, with respect to the human race.
[snip]
I think that's more accurate. Don't you?
I don't. It implies that there's something lower than Jason - what he
feeds on.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Feb 2005 11:50:16 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:48:03 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Bottom line: I've admitted that I'm a sinner to God and the world and in
turn, I've been forgiven.
Not by those you've wronged (who are the ONLY ones who can forgive
you) you haven't.
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long as I'm the dictator."
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| User: "David" |
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19 Feb 2005 01:21:43 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me
calling
you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I
admit my
sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the Creator
while you
refuse to.
Admitting a sinfulness to an all-powerful and just God and then
claiming to have received forgiveness from him is, indeed, quite
arrogant, Jason.
You took psychology. Do you understand why that would be?
Another ironic atheist.
Tell us about it..."doctor."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Feb 2005 11:48:07 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:27:15 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I admit my
sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the Creator
While you refuse to obey his commands. If it's not pride it has to be
arrogance. The only other possibility is sheer stupidity.
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The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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19 Feb 2005 03:15:51 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:27:15 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory A Greenman wrote:
In article <3SCRd.3962$VD5.1801@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> declared...
Enkidu wrote:
Every time I think you've hit rock bottom, you show that
ignorance has no lower limit.
You calling me ignorant and arrogant for my faith is like me calling
you the same for adding 1 and 1 and getting 2.
No, it would be more like if Enkidu added one and one and
insisted the result was three, regardless of any evidence to the
contrary, and that if you didn't believe the same that you
deserved to burn in hell.
Ah, yes. Another atheist who considers me prideful even though I admit my
sinfulness and need for salvation and forgiveness from the Creator while you
refuse to. Another ironic atheist.
Who has committed the terrible sin of not believing in your god even
though you have clearly told him that he should.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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18 Feb 2005 04:56:22 PM |
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On 18 Feb 2005 14:37:33 GMT, Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote:
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards on the
planet!
Men are both more and less than what we think we are. People in your camp
believe we are free (we are not) to do whatever we want (because we're
capable of determining right and wrong, and doing what is right) that we
don't have to answer to anyone except ourselves for our beliefs, that anyone
who says differently is a liar, a tyrant, a fool, or some combination. This
is the less.
People in our camp believe that we are the creation of a loving God, who
died to keep from having to condemn us, that we can and do relate to him
daily, in small matters and large, that we trust his guidance and his
provision, and where necessary, his chastening, as being in our best
interest. This present relationship is just an earnest .. a prelude .. to
a better and eternal one of worship and fellowship to come. This is the
more.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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19 Feb 2005 02:34:43 AM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 14:37:33 GMT, Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com> wrote:
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards on
the planet!
Men are both more and less than what we think we are. People in your
camp believe we are free (we are not) to do whatever we want (because
we're capable of determining right and wrong, and doing what is
right) that we don't have to answer to anyone except ourselves for
our beliefs, that anyone who says differently is a liar, a tyrant, a
fool, or some combination. This is the less.
People in our camp believe that we are the creation of a loving God,
who died to keep from having to condemn us, that we can and do relate
to him daily, in small matters and large, that we trust his guidance
and his provision, and where necessary, his chastening, as being in
our best interest. This present relationship is just an earnest ..
a prelude .. to a better and eternal one of worship and fellowship to
come. This is the more.
George,
You have awfully thick skin, brother. Few people can stomach the nonsense
and personal attacks from unbelievers on usenet. How do you do it?
God bless,
Jason
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free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
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| User: "David" |
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19 Feb 2005 01:44:51 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
George Peatty wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 14:37:33 GMT, Enkidu <zwi6iv402@sneakemail.com>
wrote:
"Humbled" yourselves? You are the most arrogant set of bastards
on
the planet!
Men are both more and less than what we think we are. People in
your
camp believe we are free (we are not) to do whatever we want
(because
we're capable of determining right and wrong, and doing what is
right) that we don't have to answer to anyone except ourselves for
our beliefs, that anyone who says differently is a liar, a tyrant,
a
fool, or some combination. This is the less.
People in our camp believe that we are the creation of a loving
God,
who died to keep from having to condemn us, that we can and do
relate
to him daily, in small matters and large, that we trust his
guidance
and his provision, and where necessary, his chastening, as being in
our best interest. This present relationship is just an earnest
...
a prelude .. to a better and eternal one of worship and fellowship
to
come. This is the more.
George,
You have awfully thick skin, brother. Few people can stomach the
nonsense
and personal attacks from unbelievers on usenet.
Fewer still can stomach the nonsense we get from "believers."
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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19 Feb 2005 11:10:46 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:34:43 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You have awfully thick skin, brother. Few people can stomach the nonsense
and personal attacks from unbelievers on usenet. How do you do it?
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
1) "Never let them see you bleed." (Q to James Bond ..)
2) Always stay on topic, and never talk about yourself
3) Attack; don't defend
4) Accept that the bad guys win once in awhile, and take consolation in the
fact that while any one skirmish might be lost, the ultimate outcome of the
war is never in doubt.
5) Know who you can talk to and who you can't. I have many in this
newsgroup in my killfile. Some are the most vile, contemptible and
disgusting human beings .. and I use that term in its loosest sense .. on
the planet.
6) Ask few questions and answer none. They're not interested in your answer
to any question they ask you; they've dismissed it a priori, and they're
just trying to make you jump through hoops for their own cheap laughs.
7) Be sure of what you believe, and what you know, and never wander outside
that area.
8) Respond to ideas, not to people. If you're going to get mad, remember
that revenge is a dish best served cold. Don't respond in the heat of
anger; that gives them an advantage.
9) Hit them with your best shot, and walk away. They never concede on any
point. You'll die an old man waiting for one of them to say, "you're
right." Make your best case, and be done.
10) Keep your personal life above reproach. If they can find something in
your past, or in your character, or in your values to use against you, they
will, and they will look strenuously for it.
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19 Feb 2005 09:28:29 PM |
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"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
< CLIP >
2) Always stay on topic . . . .
The topic was: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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20 Feb 2005 01:29:51 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:28:29 GMT, "Weatherwax" <Weatherwax@worldnet.net>
wrote:
"George Peatty" <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
2) Always stay on topic . . . .
The topic was: 2 Kings 24:8 versus 2 Chronicles 36:9
Topic drift is a fact of life in the online community. I was giving advice
to a friend. Your response to me is off topic as well, by your standards.
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| User: "David" |
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19 Feb 2005 02:03:47 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:34:43 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You have awfully thick skin, brother. Few people can stomach the
nonsense
and personal attacks from unbelievers on usenet. How do you do it?
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
This is an interesting list, George.
You've sent some comments to me and I responded, and never saw anything
further from you, so that's piqued my interest.
Let's go through it.
1) "Never let them see you bleed." (Q to James Bond ..)
What does this mean, George?
Never let them see that you're human, maybe?
2) Always stay on topic, and never talk about yourself
But whenever you talk about the things you believe and present them as
universal truth of any sort, you really ARE talking about yourself,
aren't you?
After all, you're presuming that your belief system applies to
everyone.
3) Attack; don't defend
You should make statements, but not defend them?
4) Accept that the bad guys win once in awhile, and take consolation
in the
fact that while any one skirmish might be lost, the ultimate outcome
of the
war is never in doubt.
Who are the "bad guys," George?
5) Know who you can talk to and who you can't. I have many in this
newsgroup in my killfile. Some are the most vile, contemptible and
disgusting human beings .. and I use that term in its loosest sense
... on
the planet.
Care to list them?
6) Ask few questions and answer none. They're not interested in your
answer
to any question they ask you; they've dismissed it a priori, and
they're
just trying to make you jump through hoops for their own cheap
laughs.
So, you have figured out how to distinguish that all who ask you
anything are not sincerely seeking to hear your answers?
How did you do that?
7) Be sure of what you believe, and what you know, and never wander
outside
that area.
Of course, those who disagree with you do not know what they believe?
8) Respond to ideas, not to people. If you're going to get mad,
remember
that revenge is a dish best served cold. Don't respond in the heat
of
anger; that gives them an advantage.
What does the Bible say about revenge, George?
9) Hit them with your best shot, and walk away. They never concede
on any
point. You'll die an old man waiting for one of them to say, "you're
right." Make your best case, and be done.
So this is all about you wanting to hear others tell you "you're
right?"
10) Keep your personal life above reproach. If they can find
something in
your past, or in your character, or in your values to use against
you, they
will, and they will look strenuously for it.
If your character and values contradict what you would require of
others and what you are claiming as a belief system, that's hypocrisy,
isn't it?
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20 Feb 2005 11:42:53 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:10:46 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
2) Always stay on topic, and never talk about yourself
Well, there goes Jason. That's the only reason he posts to usenet.
4) Accept that the bad guys win once in awhile, and take consolation in the
fact that while any one skirmish might be lost, the ultimate outcome of the
war is never in doubt.
Especially if you're Christian - but no one's going to tell you what
the outcome is for Christians. You'll just have to suffer through it
for yourselves. (Hint - it *doesn't* involve gates, pearly or
otherwise.)
7) Be sure of what you believe, and what you know, and never wander outside
that area.
Oops - that limits Jason to saying "hello".
10) Keep your personal life above reproach.
Too late. For Jason, that is.
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surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
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| User: "thomas p" |
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20 Feb 2005 05:18:59 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:10:46 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 08:34:43 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You have awfully thick skin, brother. Few people can stomach the nonsense
and personal attacks from unbelievers on usenet. How do you do it?
Tips for dealing with the unchurched online:
1) "Never let them see you bleed." (Q to James Bond ..)
2) Always stay on topic, and never talk about yourself
3) Attack; don't defend
I agree. Defending the indefensable is silly.
4) Accept that the bad guys win once in awhile, and take consolation in the
fact that while any one skirmish might be lost, the ultimate outcome of the
war is never in doubt.
5) Know who you can talk to and who you can't. I have many in this
newsgroup in my killfile. Some are the most vile, contemptible and
disgusting human beings .. and I use that term in its loosest sense .. on
the planet.
6) Ask few questions and answer none. They're not interested in your answer
to any question they ask you; they've dismissed it a priori, and they're
just trying to make you jump through hoops for their own cheap laughs.
7) Be sure of what you believe, and what you know, and never wander outside
that area.
8) Respond to ideas, not to people. If you're going to get mad, remember
that revenge is a dish best served cold. Don't respond in the heat of
anger; that gives them an advantage.
Look at nos. 4, 5, and 6, then read no. 8 again. You really are a
hypocrite.
9) Hit them with your best shot, and walk away. They never concede on any
point. You'll die an old man waiting for one of them to say, "you're
right." Make your best case, and be done.
See above.
10) Keep your personal life above reproach. If they can find something in
your past, or in your character, or in your values to use against you, they
will, and they will look strenuously for it.
See above. Repent.
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