Religions > Bible > Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
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08 Jul 2007 10:02:31 PM |
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Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
"Möbius Pretzel" <Mobius_r_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
Motion isn't relative to the point of reference?
Duh.....
When the point of reference is the earth, the motion is relative to the
earth.
When the point of reference is the sun, the motion is relative to the sun.
When the point is (x,y,z), the motion is relative to (x,y,z).
His,
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
09 Jul 2007 04:07:04 AM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in
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"Möbius Pretzel" <Mobius_r_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
Motion isn't relative to the point of reference?
Duh.....
When the point of reference is the earth, the motion is relative to
the earth.
When the point of reference is the sun, the motion is relative to the
sun.
When the point is (x,y,z), the motion is relative to (x,y,z).
Uh, one CAN model the universe with a stationary earth and everything
else in motion, but the physical consequences are exactly the same and
the only thing that really changes is the complexity of the mathematics.
That is to say, a fixed-earth viewpoint is actually shifting with respect
to literally everything else, near and far and is quite distant from the
nearest large center of gravity. Thus the mathematics become extremely
complex. And, given that general relativity must be assumed for these
mathematics to be at all descriptive of observed reality, it is also
quite clear that they transform into a heliocentric model that entails
much simpler math (that is a lot of terms shrink to nearly zero and can
be ignored for most predictions).
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
09 Jul 2007 04:14:59 AM |
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in
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"Möbius Pretzel" <Mobius_r_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
Motion isn't relative to the point of reference?
Duh.....
When the point of reference is the earth, the motion is relative to
the earth.
When the point of reference is the sun, the motion is relative to the
sun.
When the point is (x,y,z), the motion is relative to (x,y,z).
Uh, one CAN model the universe with a stationary earth and everything
else in motion, but the physical consequences are exactly the same and
the only thing that really changes is the complexity of the mathematics.
That is to say, a fixed-earth viewpoint is actually shifting with respect
to literally everything else, near and far and is quite distant from the
nearest large center of gravity. Thus the mathematics become extremely
complex. And, given that general relativity must be assumed for these
mathematics to be at all descriptive of observed reality, it is also
quite clear that they transform into a heliocentric model that entails
much simpler math (that is a lot of terms shrink to nearly zero and can
be ignored for most predictions).
The simplest explanation is the preferred.
His,
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www.geocities.com/fredstover7@sbcglobal.net/
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
10 Jul 2007 10:44:39 AM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in
news:bzhki.8732$Rw1.8031@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
"Möbius Pretzel" <Mobius_r_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1183897631.687272.239950@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
Motion isn't relative to the point of reference?
Duh.....
When the point of reference is the earth, the motion is relative to
the earth.
When the point of reference is the sun, the motion is relative to
the sun.
When the point is (x,y,z), the motion is relative to (x,y,z).
Uh, one CAN model the universe with a stationary earth and everything
else in motion, but the physical consequences are exactly the same
and the only thing that really changes is the complexity of the
mathematics. That is to say, a fixed-earth viewpoint is actually
shifting with respect to literally everything else, near and far and
is quite distant from the nearest large center of gravity. Thus the
mathematics become extremely complex. And, given that general
relativity must be assumed for these mathematics to be at all
descriptive of observed reality, it is also quite clear that they
transform into a heliocentric model that entails much simpler math
(that is a lot of terms shrink to nearly zero and can be ignored for
most predictions).
The simplest explanation is the preferred.
Once you invoke general relativity, both explanations are actually
equivalent.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth - BELL CURVE? |
10 Jul 2007 07:40:40 PM |
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50% are below average! -- L.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth - BELL CURVE? |
12 Jul 2007 07:02:54 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in news:46940cd4$0
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50% are below average! -- L.
Incorrect (sometimes). 50% are below the median.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth - BELL CURVE? |
13 Jul 2007 10:33:26 PM |
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in news:46940cd4$0
$16393$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
50% are below average! -- L.
Incorrect (sometimes). 50% are below the median.
===>MEAN, MODE, and MEDIAN are the three kinds of
"average". ;-) -- L.
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| User: "DK" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth - BELL CURVE? |
12 Jul 2007 08:15:49 AM |
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In article <Xns996B336693677doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159>, Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in news:46940cd4$0
$16393$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
50% are below average! -- L.
Incorrect (sometimes). 50% are below the median.
IQ is normed to a gaussian, so mean = median
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth - BELL CURVE? |
13 Jul 2007 10:34:51 PM |
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DK wrote:
In article <Xns996B336693677doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159>, Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in news:46940cd4$0
$16393$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
50% are below average! -- L.
Incorrect (sometimes). 50% are below the median.
IQ is normed to a gaussian, so mean = median
===>MEAN, MODE AND MEDIAN ARE
three kinds of "average". -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Florida" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
12 Jul 2007 08:16:39 AM |
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On Jul 9, 5:14 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredsto...@email.com> wrote:
www.geocities.com/fredstov...@sbcglobal.net/
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
Sad, isn't it, that this idea, which is interesting, perhaps even
praiseworthy (when it does not intrude where it does harm, for
instance, in civil government) has been so perverted lately. Everyone
is admitting now that most of our current national problems stem from
a profound misunderstanding of this idea by politicized fundies. What
would this country be like, at exactly this moment, if only their
predatory churches and a predatory Republican party hadn't encouraged
them to believe that addled self-importance and un-Christian myths
outweigh reality.
The rest of us have learned a very sobering lesson from the
perversion of our government: Political power in the hands of those
with an absolute determination not to reach adulthood, those who
glorify their imaginary right to remain immature throughout life -
even transient power as part of an unstable coalition - is exactly
what handed our government over to those who used them as a Fifth
Column, and handed the rest of us over to the Cheney/Bush
administration... whose choice of such helpers could not have been
accidental. Like seeks like...
<)))))><
Preparing the way of the Lord.
...Of The Flies.
What else is it when phony elections keep sticking us with
governance composed of Reppublican obstructionists in Congress,
lobbyists for greedy corporations, power-mad old men and a profoundly
stupid figurehead.
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Dave Oldridge+
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So?
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| User: "ccr" |
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| Title: Re: 20% Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth |
09 Jul 2007 04:03:59 PM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in message
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"Möbius Pretzel" <Mobius_r_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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1 in 5 Americans believe Sun revolves around the Earth
Motion isn't relative to the point of reference?
Please Fred, take your sophistry somewhere else.
Duh.....
Duh indeed.
When the point of reference is the earth, the motion is relative to the
earth.
So what. That's the apparent motion only. The original poster is discussing
the actual physical structure of the solar system, not relative motion.
Preparing the way of the Lord.
That figures.
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