On 3 Feb 2004 18:45:38 -0800,
(Eliyahu) spake thusly:
Give them the facts. Refute their accusations, as was
done previously to this post and they ignore it,
pretend they never saw it and keep posting it.
Bs'd
..Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy
Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .....
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Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among
the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me
that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of
old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time
that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his
brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand
and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of
the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto
the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the
Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our
palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight
principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the
sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he
deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when
he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in
the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon
the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of
many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion
among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down,
and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be
lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut
off."
Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies:
"And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand
shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall
be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be
misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to
be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a
ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but
not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.
.........Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion;
shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he
is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an *****, and upon
a colt the foal of an *****. And I will cut off the chariot from
Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut
off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall
be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the
earth."
They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in
those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace,
the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not
cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and
to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any
dominion at all.
In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the
"second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it
written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come
again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus'
failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the
above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least
2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption.
Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and
coming back thousands of years later.
.........Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that
I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and
prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his
days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is
his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
..........Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I
cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall
execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall
Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name
wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."
When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the
messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem
shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two
thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the
redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'.
However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years
after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the
Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way
that the above prophecy was fulfilled.
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.......... Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the
stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the
spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and
understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of
knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick
understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after
the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with
equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with
the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay
the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and
faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with
the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf
and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall
lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall
lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the
sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child
shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor
destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the
knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day
there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the
people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be
glorious."
Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And
he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the
breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get
the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the
lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and
the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead
them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall
come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David)
and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the
messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be
killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years
later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And
also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon
or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled.
Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the
messiah.
The above is an excerpt of my home page "Why don't the Jewish people
recognize the New Testament?", to be found here:
http://www.geocities.com/Metzad
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/
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