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"Pastor Dave" |
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23 Oct 2004 06:17:40 AM |
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Re: 70 Weeks in Dan 9 Described in Dan 11 |
On 22 Oct 2004 00:21:03 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, "stone"
<antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> yodeled:
I am posting this to correct what I think is an obvious and serious error in
Bible prophecy interpretation of Dan. 11.
Dan.11:31, about the daily sacrifice taken away and the placing of the
abomination that makes desolate, is obviously the same thing spoken of in
Dan.12:11, where this is supposed to happen 1290 days from the end of the
world. Yet bible scholars say that it happened before 163 BC, when antiochus
Epiphanes offered a swine upon the alter. This cannot be true, because Jesus
said that this is a future prophecy that will happen at the time of the end,
in Matt. 24:3 – 22. This obvious error comes from the apocryphal book
1Maccabees 1:44-50; Macc. 5:30,31. The appocryphal books contain errors and
fiction that cannot be trusted that is why they were rejected for
establishing doctrine.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy
city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make
reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the
commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be
built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but
not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy
the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and
unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate.
The 70 weeks of punishment on Israel in Dan. 9 are shown in more detail in
Dan. 11.
The angel Gabriel told Daniel that 70 weeks of punishment for iniquity would
be visited upon Israel for her sins. That is referring to 70 weeks of years
or 70 times 7 years. Dan. 9:24 shows these are years of punishment.
The first 69 years of this punishment on Israel happen before Messiah comes.
Then it says that Messiah would be killed, Dan.9:26, and in the same verse
it tells that the people that the antichrist (the prince that shall come)
will come from, will destroy the city and the sancturary. The Romans did
that in 70AD. This shows that the antichrist will be a Roman prince or
ruler. Notice, that there is an historical break of over 1900 years in that
one verse, going from the death of Jesus, to the prince that shall come, the
antichrist. 69 of the 70 weeks of years had passed, and there is one 7 year
period of punishment on Israel left.
[The reason for this over 1900 year break in time is because as it says in
Daniel 9:24, the seventy weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem.
It must be fulfilled when the Jews are a nation and living in Jerusalem.
From around AD 70 onward, the Jews were a scattered people and not a nation
living at Jerusalem. So only the 69 weeks could be fulfilled till that time.
In Dan. 9:26 it tells of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and it says
desolations are determined. This is the period that Israel will be desolate
for over 1900 years. Israel became a nation again in 1948 and got control of
Jerusalem in 1967. Now the remaining last week of 7 years can be fulfilled.
Week number 70.]
Dan. 9:27 shows that this prince that shall come, the antichrist, will make
a 7 year covenant with Israel, and in the middle of the 7 years, he will
cause the sacrifice and oblation that Israel offers to God to stop, and for
the abominations, in those days, the antichrist shall make desolation or
destruction even until the end of the world. The time of that 7 year
covenant is the final 7 years till the end of the world called the
tribulation period. The last 3 and a half years of it are called the great
tribulation, by Bible scholars
You know, you admit the judgment spoken of was supposed
to be on Israel and that judgment came upon Jerusalem
in 70 A.D., which is obviously after Jesus walked the
earth and then, for some unknown reason, you pretend
that event doesn't count and claim that we should skip
ahead 1900 years, so it can be all about this time.
You claim this is because the Jews were not living as a
nation until the 20th century. What about the fact
that they were living as a nation when the terrible
events of 70 A.D. took place? The fact is, that the
prophecy was fulfilled then. And you assume that the
"prince" is the AntiChrist, when no such person is
listed there. Jesus said He would come in judgment.
That makes Him the "prince". He used Rome as an agent
of judgment, just as God used other nations to judge
Israel in the past. Jesus said...
Luke 21:20-22
20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with
armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the
mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it
depart out; and let not them that are in the countries
enter thereinto.
22) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things
which are written may be fulfilled.
Note: When JERUSALEM is surrounded. This happened in
70 A.D..
Note: Let them which are in JUDAEA flee to the
mountains.
Note: Let not anyone from other countries enter into
Judaea. That means other countries aren't being
destroyed.
Note: This is done so that "all things... may be
fulfilled".
Note: There is no mention of "the end of the world".
If you look at Daniel chapter 11 you will see in detail what happened during
the 69 weeks, or 69 times 7 years that Israel was punished before Messiah
came, and you will see in detail what will happen during week 70 which will
happen during the last 7 years till the end of the world. Daniel was given
this knowledge years later.
There is no "end of the world" listed. By your own
admission, the prophecy is about Israel.
Starting in Daniel 11:2 and going through till Daniel 11:17, it is talking
about the reason for the trouble that happened to Israel during the 69 times
7 years before Messiah came. Israel was oppressed by Babylon, and then
Babylon was taken over by Medo Persia which was continuing to oppress Israel
at the time of the writing.
It starts by talking about the remaining kings to rule over Persia, and then
it shows that Greece would take over Persia, then Israel would be oppressed
by Greece.
There were four kingdoms. Daniel said that the first
was already in place (the head of gold). After that,
came the Medo-Persian, then the Greek and then the
Roman Empires. All of those already existed and the
fourth empire destroyed the temple. The prophecy has
been fulfilled.
Here is some more reading for your edification...
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/70-weeks.html
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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