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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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19 May 2007 04:32:48 AM |
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Re: Afterlife |
randy a ecrit :
I don't get the thing about a testimony.
Seeing Jesus as the supreme model of virtue enables us to
receive from him God's Spirit so that we can live out our
lives in the same way. This becomes a testimony to others so
that they can also accept Jesus' testimony, our testimony,
and Jesus' gift of the Spirit. In this way the human race
can be restored to the original virtue God desired of
mankind.
randy
Nonsense. Mr. Strom asked you the significance of 'testimony'
it refers to a passage in the NT "Book of Revelation"
you missed it.
an essential Christian scripture.
What you gave Mr. Strom was something out of Mahayana Buddhism.
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Afterlife |
19 May 2007 11:35:24 AM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
randy
I don't get the thing about a testimony.
Seeing Jesus as the supreme model of virtue enables us to
receive from him God's Spirit so that we can live out our
lives in the same way. This becomes a testimony...
Nonsense. Mr. Strom asked you the significance of
'testimony'
it refers to a passage in the NT "Book of Revelation"
you missed it.
an essential Christian scripture.
I missed nothing at all. There's no need to even discuss the
book of Revelation in this regard.
What you gave Mr. Strom was something out of Mahayana
Buddhism.
What I gave Rob was general Christianity 101.
randy
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Afterlife and Christian "Testimony" |
19 May 2007 01:32:04 PM |
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randy skrev:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
randy
I don't get the thing about a testimony.
Seeing Jesus as the supreme model of virtue enables us to
receive from him God's Spirit so that we can live out our
lives in the same way. This becomes a testimony...
Nonsense. Mr. Strom asked you the significance of
'testimony'
it refers to a passage in the NT "Book of Revelation"
you missed it.
an essential Christian scripture.
I missed nothing at all. There's no need to even discuss the
book of Revelation in this regard.
Oh ? What is meant by "The Testimony of Jesus Christ" ?
What you gave Mr. Strom was something out of Mahayana
Buddhism.
What I gave Rob was general Christianity 101.
No, you quoted a sutra from mahayan buddhism practically VERBATIM.
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Afterlife and Christian "Testimony" |
19 May 2007 11:45:13 PM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
randy
I missed nothing at all. There's no need to even discuss
the
book of Revelation in this regard.
Oh ? What is meant by "The Testimony of Jesus Christ" ?
The testimony of Jesus Christ is in *every book* of the New
Testament! It is no less in the book of Revelation. But
again, the book of Revelation is not necessary to express
what that testimony is. It is only one book in the entire
canon of the New Testament.
What you gave Mr. Strom was something out of Mahayana
Buddhism.
What I gave Rob was general Christianity 101.
No, you quoted a sutra from mahayan buddhism practically
VERBATIM.
Then *mahayan buddhism* anticipated general Christianity
101, something I *seriously* doubt! ;)
Let me quickly say that I do have some respect for Buddhism.
I don't believe the Buddha was proposing an immoral
lifestyle.
randy
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: Afterlife and Christian "Testimony" |
20 May 2007 08:33:58 AM |
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randy napisal(a):
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
randy
I missed nothing at all. There's no need to even discuss
the
book of Revelation in this regard.
Oh ? What is meant by "The Testimony of Jesus Christ" ?
The testimony of Jesus Christ is in *every book* of the New
Testament! It is no less in the book of Revelation. But
again, the book of Revelation is not necessary to express
what that testimony is. It is only one book in the entire
canon of the New Testament.
clearly you missed it.
the prophesied martyrdom of the 'sanctified' in the alleged
"revelation" defines the identity of "true Christians" -- this is how
crucial a reference it is to Christianity.
1. who 'keep' the commandments of "God"
2. who have the testimony of Jesus Christ
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ."
[and as you can see the apocalyptic aspect of Christianity is
inescapable ]
What you gave Mr. Strom was something out of Mahayana
Buddhism.
What I gave Rob was general Christianity 101.
No, you quoted a sutra from mahayan buddhism practically
VERBATIM.
Then *mahayan buddhism* anticipated general Christianity
101, something I *seriously* doubt! ;)
"anticipated" as in a "pre-emptive counterfeit" engineered by
"demons", as the Ante-Nicene "Father" Tertullian claims ?
what is the meaning of `bodhi` ?
what is a `bodhisattva` ?
Let me quickly say that I do have some respect for Buddhism.
I don't believe the Buddha was proposing an immoral
lifestyle.
'moral' is simply referinencing a closed system.
perhaps you are more familiar with Buddhism than you are with
Christianity ?
if not, then why speculate ?
much of Mahayana Buddhism can be found in Gnostic Christianity.
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| User: "randy" |
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| Title: Re: Afterlife and Christian "Testimony" |
20 May 2007 10:04:23 AM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
randy
The testimony of Jesus Christ is in *every book* of the
New
Testament! It is no less in the book of Revelation. But
again, the book of Revelation is not necessary to express
what that testimony is. It is only one book in the entire
canon of the New Testament.
clearly you missed it.
the prophesied martyrdom of the 'sanctified' in the
alleged
"revelation" defines the identity of "true Christians" --
this is how
crucial a reference it is to Christianity.
1. who 'keep' the commandments of "God"
2. who have the testimony of Jesus Christ
That isn't crucial. That is in the entire New Testament!
I've studied the book of Revelation most of my life, and at
one time had at least half of it memorized. I'm very
familiar with this book! Once again, nothing in it is
crucial to the definition of who Christians are. You can
understand the qualifications for Christian salvation in
nearly *every* book of the New Testament (though it might be
a little difficult in 2nd or 3rd John.) ;)
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with
the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of
God, and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ."
[and as you can see the apocalyptic aspect of Christianity
is
inescapable ]
Many Christians have been amillennial, which means that the
"apocalyptic aspect," (at least in the "futuristic" sense)
is secondary to the definition of who is truly Christian.
Then *mahayan buddhism* anticipated general Christianity
101, something I *seriously* doubt! ;)
"anticipated" as in a "pre-emptive counterfeit" engineered
by
"demons", as the Ante-Nicene "Father" Tertullian claims ?
That was Tertullian's view, and it's conceivable. I just
don't think that Buddhism was entirely evil or inspired by
demons. That means that I don't believe it was a counterfeit
religion. It filled the need for a modified Hinduism at a
time when morality required more of a self-discipline than a
maze of god myths explaining the universe.
what is the meaning of `bodhi` ?
what is a `bodhisattva` ?
A Steely Dan song? ;)
It sounds to me very similar to righteous individuals who
are seeking spiritual redemption. At one time in my life I
was a nominal Christian with limited faith who pursued
meaning and ultimate deliverance from my ignorance.
In a sense I feel I've achieved "enlightenment." In another
sense, I don't think any of us can say we've arrived until
we die.
Let me quickly say that I do have some respect for
Buddhism.
I don't believe the Buddha was proposing an immoral
lifestyle.
'moral' is simply referinencing a closed system.
Yes and no. God has set the parameters of our universe,
including its moral system. Yet there is lots of room for
free human choices, choices that are not just moral, but
also preference.
perhaps you are more familiar with Buddhism than you are
with
Christianity ?
Not at all. I was born into Christianity. I've always had
some fascination for other religions. And I certainly have
no bias against preChristian systems that are moral in
nature.
if not, then why speculate ?
much of Mahayana Buddhism can be found in Gnostic
Christianity.
True enlightenment comes, I believe, from *dogmatic*
Christianity. Respectfully,
randy
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