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"Elroy Willis" |
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11 Feb 2004 10:20:20 AM |
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Re: Age of Aquarius |
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Quote the recognized books of Judaism that say Jesus cannot
be God.
Quote some Jewish scriptures or books which say the messiah
would claim to be God himself, or that the messiah would die for
three days and then come back to life, in order to support the idea
that Jesus defeated death/Satan, or died to save mankind from
their sins.
Give it your best shot.
As for your request, first tell me if you believe that the creator
of the entire universe at one time required animal sacrifices
in order to appease itself.
The rest of my questions will be based on your answer to the
above question.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
17 Feb 2004 08:47:26 AM |
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georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Quote the recognized books of Judaism that say Jesus cannot be God.
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Quote some Jewish scriptures or books which say the messiah would claim to be
God himself, or that the messiah would die for three days and then come back
to life, in order to support the idea that Jesus defeated death/Satan, or died
to save mankind from their sins.
Give it your best shot.
As for your request, first tell me if you believe that the creator of the
entire universe at one time required animal sacrifices in order to appease
itself.
The rest of my questions will be based on your answer to the above question.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself would not
be the Messiah.
Only the Babylonian Talmud (an unauthorized additional text written AFTER
Christ) gives the Jews a specific instruction that God cannot also be a man.
They can't conceive of it because it goes so against our human nature to
believe that God could take human form ... and was so before the creation of
the Universe. The only TIME traveler that would fulfill prophecy and change
the potential outcome of the "hereafter" for every human ever born.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
17 Feb 2004 12:27:52 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Quote the recognized books of Judaism that say Jesus cannot be God.
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Quote some Jewish scriptures or books which say the messiah would claim to be
God himself, or that the messiah would die for three days and then come back
to life, in order to support the idea that Jesus defeated death/Satan, or died
to save mankind from their sins.
Give it your best shot.
As for your request, first tell me if you believe that the creator of the
entire universe at one time required animal sacrifices in order to appease
itself.
The rest of my questions will be based on your answer to the above question.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself would not
be the Messiah.
Nor does it indicate that Mickey Mouse is not the Messiah. Very
compelling argument...
I asked you about this quote a few days ago but never saw your
answer. God orders the following done (Numbers 31:17-18):
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
You have no problem with a god that orders this, right?
What did your god mean by "save for yourselves every girl who has
never slept with a man"?
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"If you have chicken at lunch and chicken at dinner, do you ever wonder
if the two chickens knew each other?" -- George Carlin
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| User: "Bob Officer" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
17 Feb 2004 02:56:31 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:27:52 -0500, in alt.astrology, Jim Phillips
<jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Quote the recognized books of Judaism that say Jesus cannot be God.
"Elroy Willis" wrote:
Quote some Jewish scriptures or books which say the messiah would claim to be
God himself, or that the messiah would die for three days and then come back
to life, in order to support the idea that Jesus defeated death/Satan, or died
to save mankind from their sins.
Give it your best shot.
As for your request, first tell me if you believe that the creator of the
entire universe at one time required animal sacrifices in order to appease
itself.
The rest of my questions will be based on your answer to the above question.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself would not
be the Messiah.
Nor does it indicate that Mickey Mouse is not the Messiah. Very
compelling argument...
I asked you about this quote a few days ago but never saw your
answer. God orders the following done (Numbers 31:17-18):
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
You have no problem with a god that orders this, right?
What did your god mean by "save for yourselves every girl who has
never slept with a man"?
It seems god wanted the chosen people to screw these people out of any
"birthright" they would have. However it ignores the OT Law, that only a
person born of a woman descendant of Abraham could hold a birthright.
Therefore no children born of a non-jewish woman could ever inherit or
become a jew. There is no such thing as becoming a hebrew. you are either
born one, (your mother is a jew) or you are not a hebrew.
--
Aktohdi
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
18 Feb 2004 04:56:29 AM |
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Bob Officer <bobmungedofficers@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.astrology, Jim Phillips <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself
would not be the Messiah.
Nor does it indicate that Mickey Mouse is not the Messiah. Very
compelling argument...
I asked you about this quote a few days ago but never saw your
answer. God orders the following done (Numbers 31:17-18):
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
You have no problem with a god that orders this, right?
What did your god mean by "save for yourselves every girl who has
never slept with a man"?
It seems god wanted the chosen people to screw these people out of any
"birthright" they would have. However it ignores the OT Law, that only a
person born of a woman descendant of Abraham could hold a birthright.
Therefore no children born of a non-jewish woman could ever inherit or
become a jew. There is no such thing as becoming a hebrew. you are either
born one, (your mother is a jew) or you are not a hebrew.
The girls in the above verses probably would have been converted to
Judaism and from that point on been considered Jewish. Although
marrying or breeding outside the tribes was forbidden or discouraged,
it happened all the time back then, just like it does today.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Bob Officer" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
19 Feb 2004 05:12:32 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:56:29 GMT, in alt.astrology, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobmungedofficers@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.astrology, Jim Phillips <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, georgann wrote:
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself
would not be the Messiah.
Nor does it indicate that Mickey Mouse is not the Messiah. Very
compelling argument...
I asked you about this quote a few days ago but never saw your
answer. God orders the following done (Numbers 31:17-18):
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
You have no problem with a god that orders this, right?
What did your god mean by "save for yourselves every girl who has
never slept with a man"?
It seems god wanted the chosen people to screw these people out of any
"birthright" they would have. However it ignores the OT Law, that only a
person born of a woman descendant of Abraham could hold a birthright.
Therefore no children born of a non-jewish woman could ever inherit or
become a jew. There is no such thing as becoming a hebrew. you are either
born one, (your mother is a jew) or you are not a hebrew.
The girls in the above verses probably would have been converted to
Judaism and from that point on been considered Jewish. Although
marrying or breeding outside the tribes was forbidden or discouraged,
it happened all the time back then, just like it does today.
But only the children of native born hebrew women could inherit the
birthright.
That's what I was told by a very strict orthodox Rabbi. I not sure if it is
biblically true 100%.
Hebrew men could produce/father children, but unless they were from a
Hebrew woman, they were not Hebrew.
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Aktohdi
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
20 Feb 2004 06:36:37 AM |
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Bob Officer <bobmungedofficers@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
in alt.astrology, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobmungedofficers@earthlink.net> wrote in alt.atheism
It seems god wanted the chosen people to screw these people out
of any "birthright" they would have. However it ignores the OT Law,
that only a person born of a woman descendant of Abraham could
hold a birthright.
Therefore no children born of a non-jewish woman could ever inherit
or become a jew. There is no such thing as becoming a hebrew. you
are either born one, (your mother is a jew) or you are not a hebrew.
The girls in the above verses probably would have been converted to
Judaism and from that point on been considered Jewish. Although
marrying or breeding outside the tribes was forbidden or discouraged,
it happened all the time back then, just like it does today.
But only the children of native born hebrew women could inherit the
birthright.
The Bible is filled with stories of "barren" women not being able to
provide an "heir" or "son" to carry on the family lines of the
patriarchs, not to mention the stories about King David and Solomon
having hundreds of female lovers or wives or concubines, from
different countries. How could anyone manage to keep up with some
actual bloodline with all those women involved in the picture?
That's what I was told by a very strict orthodox Rabbi. I not sure if it is
biblically true 100%.
Hebrew men could produce/father children, but unless they were from
a Hebrew woman, they were not Hebrew.
Rape a woman from another tribe, and suddenly she becomes one
of your own tribe, since she's bearing your child.
That's how things seem to have been viewed way back then.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
20 Feb 2004 01:15:41 PM |
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In article <n0vb30pbo6p6s78olto2jbqf81qj4snp8a@4ax.com>,
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
not to mention the stories about King David and Solomon having
hundreds of female lovers or wives or concubines, from different
countries.
It's good to be the king!
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Age of Aquarius |
18 Feb 2004 05:11:41 AM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in alt.atheism
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
The Bible or Torah does NOT indicate (anywhere) that God Himself would
not be the Messiah.
Of course it does, in several places. That's why the idea of Jesus
praying to his "father in heaven" is such a crock, and makes him look
schizophrenic if he was merely praying to himself. The problem was
fixed, or supposedly fixed, by using the trinity idea, which anyone
who knows anything about mythology can see is just a ruse or smoke
screen intended to hide the underlying polytheism involved in the
whole Jesus story.
Only the Babylonian Talmud (an unauthorized additional text written AFTER
Christ) gives the Jews a specific instruction that God cannot also be a man.
They can't conceive of it because it goes so against our human nature to
believe that God could take human form ...
You believe Satan could take the form of a talking serpent, so why
would God not be able to take the form of a man?
and was so before the creation of the Universe.
You think Jesus is a space alien, don't you? A man who created
our universe, who comes from outside it, but he's still a man and has
a human body?
The only TIME traveler that would fulfill prophecy and change
the potential outcome of the "hereafter" for every human ever born.
Perhaps you should try to prove that there is a "hereafter" before
believing in or making up stories about such a place?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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