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23 Feb 2004 01:08:18 PM |
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Re: Astrology is the way? |
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
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24 Feb 2004 01:52:10 PM |
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<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he might
live for several days before his physical endurance was overcome by the
torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the sun. As in the case of
Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet also) of the accused to a
stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh 20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps 22:16,
ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have always been considered by anatomists as
part of the hands, some medical men think the nails were driven between the
small bones of the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have
occurred if they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would be
consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include the wrist
in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said to be worn on the
"hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made to fetters that were on
Samson's "hands."
The record does not say whether the evildoers impaled alongside Jesus were
nailed or simply tied to the stakes. If only tied, this might explain why,
when Jesus was found dead, they were still alive and had to have their legs
broken. (Joh 19:32, 33) Death by suffocation soon followed the breaking of
their legs, since, as some think, this would have prevented the raising of
the body to ease tension of chest muscles. Of course, this is not a
conclusive point on why the evildoers outlived Jesus, for they had not
experienced the mental and physical torture inflicted on Jesus. He had
previously undergone an all-night ordeal at the hands of his enemies, in
addition to being beaten by the Roman soldiers, perhaps to the point that he
could not carry his own torture stake, as was the custom.-Mr 14:32-15:21; Lu
22:39-23:26.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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24 Feb 2004 10:48:32 PM |
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"rgeorge" <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he might
live for several days before his physical endurance was overcome by the
torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the sun. As in the case
of
Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet also) of the accused to a
stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh 20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps 22:16,
ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have always been considered by anatomists
as
part of the hands, some medical men think the nails were driven between
the
small bones of the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have
occurred if they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of
the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would be
consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include the
wrist
in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said to be worn on the
"hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made to fetters that were on
Samson's "hands."
The Romans have records of people executed for saying they were the messiah,
but no record of your Jesus. A bit odd.
There is no record of them *ever* releasing a prisoner to the people they
governed, it would be a sign of weakness.
People nailed or tied to a cross usually lived several days if their legs
were not broken AT SUNSET. This was about as merciful as the Romans got. To
only last three hours or so is a ridiculous idea.
More ridiculous (and I use the word exactly as it is meant) is the idea they
would do such a thing on a Friday since the person would almost certainly
not die before sunset and this would have caused riots, something that cost
money and men to quell.
The story was made up, probably the same way other such stories were done at
the time by fitting together part of other stories.
Try reading some real biblical criticism from real scholars.
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24 Feb 2004 02:20:45 PM |
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In article <403bab69@news.comindico.com.au>,
rgeorge <reecegeorge@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake,
Bzzzzzzzzzztt!!! Thanks for playing.
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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24 Feb 2004 03:20:30 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, rgeorge wrote:
<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he might
live for several days before his physical endurance was overcome by the
torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the sun. As in the case of
Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet also) of the accused to a
stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh 20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps 22:16,
ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have always been considered by anatomists as
part of the hands, some medical men think the nails were driven between the
small bones of the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have
occurred if they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would be
consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include the wrist
in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said to be worn on the
"hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made to fetters that were on
Samson's "hands."
The record does not say whether the evildoers impaled alongside Jesus were
nailed or simply tied to the stakes. If only tied, this might explain why,
when Jesus was found dead, they were still alive and had to have their legs
broken. (Joh 19:32, 33) Death by suffocation soon followed the breaking of
their legs, since, as some think, this would have prevented the raising of
the body to ease tension of chest muscles. Of course, this is not a
conclusive point on why the evildoers outlived Jesus, for they had not
experienced the mental and physical torture inflicted on Jesus. He had
previously undergone an all-night ordeal at the hands of his enemies, in
addition to being beaten by the Roman soldiers, perhaps to the point that he
could not carry his own torture stake, as was the custom.-Mr 14:32-15:21; Lu
22:39-23:26.
That's very fascinating, but I'm pretty sure if Judas had been one
of the men condemned with jesus the bible would have mentioned it.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Singing is basically a form of pleasant, controlled screaming."
-- George Carlin
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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24 Feb 2004 05:23:44 PM |
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"Jim Phillips" <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, rgeorge wrote:
<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he
might
live for several days before his physical endurance was overcome by the
torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the sun. As in the case
of
Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet also) of the accused to a
stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh 20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps
22:16,
ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have always been considered by
anatomists as
part of the hands, some medical men think the nails were driven between
the
small bones of the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have
occurred if they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of
the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would be
consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include the
wrist
in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said to be worn on
the
"hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made to fetters that were
on
Samson's "hands."
The record does not say whether the evildoers impaled alongside Jesus
were
nailed or simply tied to the stakes. If only tied, this might explain
why,
when Jesus was found dead, they were still alive and had to have their
legs
broken. (Joh 19:32, 33) Death by suffocation soon followed the breaking
of
their legs, since, as some think, this would have prevented the raising
of
the body to ease tension of chest muscles. Of course, this is not a
conclusive point on why the evildoers outlived Jesus, for they had not
experienced the mental and physical torture inflicted on Jesus. He had
previously undergone an all-night ordeal at the hands of his enemies, in
addition to being beaten by the Roman soldiers, perhaps to the point
that he
could not carry his own torture stake, as was the custom.-Mr
14:32-15:21; Lu
22:39-23:26.
That's very fascinating, but I'm pretty sure if Judas had been one
of the men condemned with jesus the bible would have mentioned it.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Singing is basically a form of pleasant, controlled screaming."
-- George Carlin
According to Matthew 27:5, Judas hanged himself. But Acts 1:18 says,
"pitching head foremost he noisily burst in his midst and all his intestines
were poured out." Matthew seems to deal with the mode of the attempted
suicide, while Acts describes the result. Combining the two accounts, it
appears that Judas tried to hang himself over some cliff, but the rope or
tree limb broke so that he plunged down and burst open on the rocks below.
The topography around Jerusalem makes such an event conceivable.
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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24 Feb 2004 09:33:41 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, rgeorge wrote:
"Jim Phillips" <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.3.96.1040224161736.7892I-100000@mail...
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, rgeorge wrote:
<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he
might
live for several days before his physical endurance was overcome by the
torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the sun. As in the case
of
Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet also) of the accused to a
stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh 20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps
22:16,
ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have always been considered by
anatomists as
part of the hands, some medical men think the nails were driven between
the
small bones of the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have
occurred if they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of
the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would be
consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include the
wrist
in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said to be worn on
the
"hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made to fetters that were
on
Samson's "hands."
The record does not say whether the evildoers impaled alongside Jesus
were
nailed or simply tied to the stakes. If only tied, this might explain
why,
when Jesus was found dead, they were still alive and had to have their
legs
broken. (Joh 19:32, 33) Death by suffocation soon followed the breaking
of
their legs, since, as some think, this would have prevented the raising
of
the body to ease tension of chest muscles. Of course, this is not a
conclusive point on why the evildoers outlived Jesus, for they had not
experienced the mental and physical torture inflicted on Jesus. He had
previously undergone an all-night ordeal at the hands of his enemies, in
addition to being beaten by the Roman soldiers, perhaps to the point
that he
could not carry his own torture stake, as was the custom.-Mr
14:32-15:21; Lu
22:39-23:26.
That's very fascinating, but I'm pretty sure if Judas had been one
of the men condemned with jesus the bible would have mentioned it.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Singing is basically a form of pleasant, controlled screaming."
-- George Carlin
According to Matthew 27:5, Judas hanged himself. But Acts 1:18 says,
"pitching head foremost he noisily burst in his midst and all his intestines
were poured out." Matthew seems to deal with the mode of the attempted
suicide, while Acts describes the result. Combining the two accounts, it
appears that Judas tried to hang himself over some cliff, but the rope or
tree limb broke so that he plunged down and burst open on the rocks below.
I've got to admire this about you: if I tried to contort my brain to
come up with such a ridiculous scenario I wouldn't be able to function due
to the migraine such thinking would cause.
The topography around Jerusalem makes such an event conceivable.
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"Singing is basically a form of pleasant, controlled screaming."
-- George Carlin
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26 Feb 2004 05:59:56 AM |
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"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
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«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
All your prophecy are belong to Christ!
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26 Feb 2004 12:25:54 PM |
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In article <BC6349EB.35368681%chenault@mindspring.com>,
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Its [sic] even more conceivable that the two accounts are only
details differing in point of view and not in facts.
The views present "facts" and these facts are not compatable with
each other. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
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26 Feb 2004 06:56:30 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:59:56 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
Georgann, dearie... something that I realise just now: you post to
alt.astrology,alt.astrology.metapsych. Correct? Can I assume you have
an interest in .... astrology??????????
Please, sweety... don't do that! Your eternal (?) soul is at stake
here! Astrology is worshipping the wrong gods! Surely you can't do
that, being the good xtian that you claim to be - I mean: are???
Or you simply repent after reading the women's weekly astrology pages,
to read them again next week?
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26 Feb 2004 07:32:00 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, georgann wrote:
"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
In one of them he hangs himself, in the other he falls over and
"bursts" open. No matter how you twist it, those are 2 different events.
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because it
was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives."
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, "The Daily Show"
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26 Feb 2004 12:42:37 PM |
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.1040226082954.15143L-100000@mail>,
Jim Phillips <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote:
In one of them he hangs himself, in the other he falls over and
"bursts" open. No matter how you twist it, those are 2 different events.
And he just died again:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/26/obit.anderson.reut/index.html
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| User: "Rev. Donald Spitz" |
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26 Feb 2004 12:45:28 PM |
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Astrology is a sin.
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SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I know I am a sinner.
I believe you died on the cross to take away my
sins. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart
and be my Lord and my Savior, and take away my sins.
http://www.ArmyofGod.com
<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077820956.262298@localhost.localdomain...
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.1040226082954.15143L-100000@mail>,
Jim Phillips <jphillip@bcpl.net> wrote:
In one of them he hangs himself, in the other he falls over and
"bursts" open. No matter how you twist it, those are 2 different events.
And he just died again:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/02/26/obit.anderson.reut/index.html
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26 Feb 2004 12:56:28 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
Christianity is a disease.
--
Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"If the whole group must be ruined to prevent that, so be it. Few if
anyone comes to my defense, so why the hell should I care if they have a
good place to post ?" -Foamy Bartmo, Phyrric meteorologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
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| User: "Peter J Ross" |
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26 Feb 2004 02:09:50 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:56:28 -0800, Dan Baldwin wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
Christianity is a disease.
Bartmo is a pest.
--
PJR :-)
(Remove NOSPAM to reply)
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| User: "That Wollmann Asshole" |
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26 Feb 2004 03:14:50 PM |
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Peter J Ross <gadfly@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote in news:c1ljqb.3vvgugj.1
@nntp.petitmorte.net:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:56:28 -0800, Dan Baldwin wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
Christianity is a disease.
Bartmo is a pest.
Edmo is an *****.
--
Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"Orion is a star....." - Ed shocks astronomers the world over.
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26 Feb 2004 05:32:09 PM |
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Peter J Ross wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:56:28 -0800, Dan Baldwin wrote:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
Christianity is a disease.
Bartmo is a pest.
We are all goddamned liars. Repentance is futile.
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01001000 01100001 01101001 01101100
01001101 01101001 01101110 01100111
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26 Feb 2004 12:56:41 PM |
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In article <l9r%b.2820$PY.214@lakeread05>,
Rev. Donald Spitz <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
Christianity is a sin.
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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26 Feb 2004 03:28:08 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Rev. Donald Spitz wrote:
Astrology is a sin.
So is blindly worshiping the monster of the old testament.
SAY THIS PRAYER:
God told me not to--I should trust you over her?
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because it
was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives."
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, "The Daily Show"
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26 Feb 2004 04:45:26 PM |
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georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BC6349EB.35368681%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
Angels hurling people has not been verified as anything but fantasy,
hence it is oxymoronic for you to speak about it in such a way as
"details" and "facts."
Finally, as I have told you numerous times, the "GOSPEL" is a good
news story, it is NOT historic, it is NOT factual, it is NOT an
accounting of anything BUT to reinforce the fairy tale of the gospel,
meant to inspire mindless persons to behave because they lack critcal
thinking skills to unravel the mysteries of life themselves, it is
meant to CONVEY the PRINCIPLES of the Christian PERSPECTIVE, not
inform about ANY details, facts, or history.
Arguing about the "details" of the Bible can only be taken so far
because there ARE little if any, and true historical artifacts and
actual writings from the TIME, not from now, must take precedence,
such as The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Gospels of Thomas and other
UNcanonized informative documents that have not been spun by the
church for hundreds of years.
Christ was a minor figure--so minor, there IS VERY LITTLE real history
of him or any of the "story."
You need to follow the teachings of Jesus if you are to get anywhere
with this idea.
2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find.
When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they
will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned
they will rest.]" The Gospel of Thomas
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2004 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
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| User: "Cujo" |
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26 Feb 2004 05:57:23 PM |
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(Edmond Wollmann) wrote in
news:35325a08.0402261445.11747660@posting.google.com:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6349EB.35368681%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he
burst open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily
synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details
differing in point of view and not in facts.
Angels hurling people has not been verified as anything but fantasy,
hence it is oxymoronic for you to speak about it in such a way as
"details" and "facts."
How many of my accounts have you killed, "angel"?
Finally, as I have told you numerous times, the "GOSPEL" is a good
news story, it is NOT historic, it is NOT factual, it is NOT an
accounting of anything BUT to reinforce the fairy tale of the gospel,
meant to inspire mindless persons to behave because they lack critcal
thinking skills to unravel the mysteries of life themselves, it is
meant to CONVEY the PRINCIPLES of the Christian PERSPECTIVE, not
inform about ANY details, facts, or history.
Arguing about the "details" of the Bible can only be taken so far
because there ARE little if any, and true historical artifacts and
actual writings from the TIME, not from now, must take precedence,
such as The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Gospels of Thomas and other
UNcanonized informative documents that have not been spun by the
church for hundreds of years.
Christ was a minor figure--so minor, there IS VERY LITTLE real history
of him or any of the "story."
You need to follow the teachings of Jesus if you are to get anywhere
with this idea.
Kookfight!
Fetch the popcorn!
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Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in
alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych.
Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte!
Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!.
Official TruKook(tm) as certified by Ed Wollmann. Meow.
"My arguments are not defective or fallacious. Learn some logic."
- Edmo wins another argument by decree.
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| User: "Dan Baldwin" |
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| Title: Re: Astrology is the way? |
26 Feb 2004 05:18:59 PM |
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Edmond Wollmann wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<BC6349EB.35368681%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
Angels hurling people has not been verified as anything but fantasy,
hence it is oxymoronic for you to speak about it in such a way as
"details" and "facts."
Planets and stars influencing people's behavior and fortunes on Earth
has not be verified as anything other than wishful thinking, apophenia,
and (at worst) a deliberate attempt to scam the unknowing, hence it is
idiotic for you to speak about it as some sort of 'psychological tool'.
Fuckhead.
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Dan Baldwin, unethical *by design*
"I have always thought that the reason Dinosaurs were so big is because
of the dramatic difference in gravitational strength between that time
period and now" -Edmo the paleontologist
"If the whole group must be ruined to prevent that, so be it. Few if
anyone comes to my defense, so why the hell should I care if they have a
good place to post ?" -Foamy Bartmo, Phyrric meteorologist
"Christ was just an enlightened person, not unlike me." -Edmo the humble
"I am an authority, and I do not force my views on others like you do."
-Edmo, enemy of Irony Meters all over Usenet
"It's not Latin, clueless wannabe tryhard." -Fucknozzle Junior
discussing the phrase 'Illegimati non carborundum'(sic)
Hail the un-alive
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| User: "Phoenix" |
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26 Feb 2004 06:22:25 PM |
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In article <35325a08.0402261445.11747660@posting.google.com>,
(Edmond Wollmann) wrote:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:<BC6349EB.35368681%chenault@mindspring.com>...
"Jim Phillips" wrote:
It's also conceiveable that an angel picked up Judas while he was
hanging himself and hurled him into the middle of a field, where he burst
open. Conceivable and believeable are not necessarily synonymous.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Its even more conceivable that the two accounts are only details differing
in point of view and not in facts.
Angels hurling people has not been verified as anything but fantasy,
hence it is oxymoronic for you to speak about it in such a way as
"details" and "facts."
That would make it equally ironic for you to babble about such things
for astrology, too.
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26 Feb 2004 04:45:23 PM |
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| User: "Steve O" |
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25 Feb 2004 05:34:01 PM |
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Jim Phillips wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, rgeorge wrote:
<ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
news:1077563298.48972@localhost.localdomain...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
How did Judas die?
The Romans sometimes tied the victim to the stake, in which case he
might live for several days before his physical endurance was
overcome by the torture of pain, thirst, hunger, and exposure to the
sun. As in the case of Jesus, nailing the hands (and likely the feet
also) of the accused to a stake was customary among the Romans. (Joh
20:25, 27; Lu 24:39; Ps 22:16, ftn; Col 2:14) Since the wrists have
always been considered by anatomists as part of the hands, some
medical men think the nails were driven between the small bones of
the wrists to prevent the stripping out that could have occurred if
they had been driven through the palms. (See The Journal of the
American Medical Association, March 21, 1986, p. 1460.) This would
be consistent with the Bible's own use of the word "hand" to include
the wrist in such texts as Genesis 24:47, where bracelets are said
to be worn on the "hands," and Judges 15:14, where reference is made
to fetters that were on Samson's "hands."
The record does not say whether the evildoers impaled alongside
Jesus were nailed or simply tied to the stakes. If only tied, this
might explain why, when Jesus was found dead, they were still alive
and had to have their legs broken. (Joh 19:32, 33) Death by
suffocation soon followed the breaking of their legs, since, as some
think, this would have prevented the raising of the body to ease
tension of chest muscles. Of course, this is not a conclusive point
on why the evildoers outlived Jesus, for they had not experienced
the mental and physical torture inflicted on Jesus. He had
previously undergone an all-night ordeal at the hands of his
enemies, in addition to being beaten by the Roman soldiers, perhaps
to the point that he could not carry his own torture stake, as was
the custom.-Mr 14:32-15:21; Lu 22:39-23:26.
That's very fascinating, but I'm pretty sure if Judas had been one
of the men condemned with jesus the bible would have mentioned it.
i always thought he hung himself from a tree, but in that film on the telly
he threw himself down into an ash pit.
Very confusing.
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| User: "Jim Phillips" |
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| Title: Re: Astrology is the way? |
26 Feb 2004 07:29:37 AM |
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Piggy-backing...
In article <36365087.0402231055.458c5380@posting.google.com>,
Allen Hoessli <allenh45344@yahoo.com> wrote:
Where are these errors that you claim the Bible has?
Conveniently located on a web site (1,126 at last count):
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html
--
Jim Phillips, jphillip at bcpl dot net
"The only reason my wife and I got married in the first place was because it
was something gays couldn't do. Our wedding was conceived entirely as a
giant homosexual taunt. But now the vows I made to my wife seem as shallow
and empty as the vows I made to my three previous wives."
-- Stephen Colbert, Senior Moral Authority, "The Daily Show"
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