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Re: ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND NON BELIEVERS ARE PUT THERE BY GOD FOR US TO LOVE AND CONVERT WHILE CROSS-POSTING LIKE AN IDIOT |
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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They attempt to force their doctrines into schools using political clout
and intimidation or under the rubric of "intelligent design" when they
can't use naked power plays. Fortunately the courts have stopped their
most egregious attempts so far.
Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open debate.
ROFL
Are you planning to use the same courts to outlaw Christian
proselytizing for it questions Judaism?
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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20 May 2006 07:45:35 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate attacks on
science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand evolution in
the first place.
ROFL
Are you planning to use the same courts to outlaw Christian
proselytizing for it questions Judaism?
I hope not. I'd love a few Christian proselytizers to come and knock on my
door. They'd get the pihilosophical and intellectual trouncing of their
lives.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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21 May 2006 04:22:22 AM |
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"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate attacks
on science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand
evolution in the first place.
You don't like "open debate", don't you? It just might rattle your cage.
LOL
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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21 May 2006 09:25:56 AM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 05:22:22 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
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"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate attacks
on science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand
evolution in the first place.
You don't like "open debate", don't you? It just might rattle your cage.
LOL
There is no debate. Scientific discoveries support evolution, a great
age for the universe, and other proof that certain religious doctrines
were false. Creationists and their ilk fall back on lies to fight
against the truth.
Americans have the right to use the courts to keep religious lies out of
public classrooms.
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21 May 2006 07:23:16 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 05:22:22 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
<15a50$44703619$d1d89a4c$26089@PRIMUS.CA>:
"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
news:PKObg.2131$3q2.386@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open
debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate
attacks
on science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand
evolution in the first place.
You don't like "open debate", don't you? It just might rattle your
cage.
LOL
There is no debate. Scientific discoveries support evolution, a great
age for the universe, and other proof that certain religious doctrines
were false. Creationists and their ilk fall back on lies to fight
against the truth.
Americans have the right to use the courts to keep religious lies out of
public classrooms.
You are altogether behind the times. Read up on quantum physics and
discover, that most scientists of the discipline believe in I.D. of some
sort.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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26 May 2006 08:54:40 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:23:16 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 05:22:22 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
<15a50$44703619$d1d89a4c$26089@PRIMUS.CA>:
"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open
debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate
attacks
on science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand
evolution in the first place.
You don't like "open debate", don't you? It just might rattle your
cage.
LOL
There is no debate. Scientific discoveries support evolution, a great
age for the universe, and other proof that certain religious doctrines
were false. Creationists and their ilk fall back on lies to fight
against the truth.
Americans have the right to use the courts to keep religious lies out of
public classrooms.
You are altogether behind the times. Read up on quantum physics and
discover, that most scientists of the discipline believe in I.D. of some
sort.
Your claim is false. You cannot support it with evidence.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 May 2006 10:25:38 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 20:23:16 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 05:22:22 -0400, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in
<15a50$44703619$d1d89a4c$26089@PRIMUS.CA>:
"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Thanks for admitting that evolutionists need to use the courts to
protect their theories and shield them from questioning and open
debate.
The courts are being used to protect Children from the deliberate
attacks
on science being waged by a bunch of idiots that do not understand
evolution in the first place.
You don't like "open debate", don't you? It just might rattle your
cage.
LOL
There is no debate. Scientific discoveries support evolution, a great
age for the universe, and other proof that certain religious doctrines
were false. Creationists and their ilk fall back on lies to fight
against the truth.
Americans have the right to use the courts to keep religious lies out of
public classrooms.
You are altogether behind the times. Read up on quantum physics and
discover, that most scientists of the discipline believe in I.D. of some
sort.
Your claim is false. You cannot support it with evidence.
Whether you think it's false is irrelevant. The fact is that many noted
scientists are against Darwinism for various reasons, and that makes
evolution debatable. Only dictatorial atheists want to forbid discussion and
debate in educational institutions, for that might prove them wrong.
Reads the "evidence" you are asking for below.
Pastor Frank
http://evolution-facts.org/introductory_scientists_speak_about_evolution_1.htm
"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the
realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the
product of imagination."
-- Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist].
"It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a
single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others derived.
They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their
appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption."
-- Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236.
"The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at
present, still an article of faith."
-- J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95.
"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves
facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually
nothing of growth, nothing of life."
-- W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: The Secret of Life,"
New York Times.
"The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and
manifestation of the organic world."
-- Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution
or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve].
"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only
acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to
physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we
do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."
-- H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31
(1980), p. 138.
"I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in
scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of
Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."
-- W.R. Thompson, Introduction to *Charles Darwin's, Origin of the
Species [Canadian scientist].
"One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental
imagination which could explain every irregularity in the solar system
without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a
gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of fossils
which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding
experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might
truly be said that it was `knowledge falsely so called."
-- David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976).
"The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful
that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a
serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for
evolutionary biologists."
--Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306
[Australian molecular biologist].
"The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the
evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for
any group being the descendant of almost any other."
-- J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240.
"It was because Darwinian theory broke man's link with God and set him
adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so
fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so
profoundly affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the
universe."
-- Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 67
[Australian molecular biologist].
"I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning, consequently
assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying
reasons for this assumption . . The philosopher who finds no meaning in the
world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is
also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should
not do as he wants to do . . For myself, as no doubt for most of my
contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an
instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously
liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from
a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it
interfered with our sexual freedom."
-- Aldous Huxley, "Confessions of a Professed Atheist," Report:
Perspective on the News, Vol. 3, June 1966, p. 19 [grandson of evolutionist
Thomas Huxley, Darwin's closest friend and promoter, and brother of
evolutionist Julian Huxley. Aldous Huxley was one of the most influential
liberal writers of the 20th century].
"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing
in the progress of science. It is useless."
-- Bounoure, Le Monde Et La Vie (October 1963) [Director of Research
at the National center of Scientific Research in France].
"As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do
we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature
in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them,
well-defined species?"
-- Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966),
p. 139.
"`Creation,' in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I
find no difficulty in conceiving that, at some former period, this universe
was not in existence; and that it made its appearance in six days . . in
consequence of the volition of some pre-existing Being."
-- Thomas Huxley, quoted in *Leonard Huxley, Life and Letters of
Thomas Henry Huxley, Vol. II (1903), p. 429.
"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more
apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific
knowledge."
-- Albert Fleishmann, Zoologist.
"I argue that the `theory of evolution' does not take predictions, so far as
ecology is concerned, but is instead a logical formula which can be used
only to classify empiricisms [theories] and to show the relationships which
such a classification implies . . these theories are actually tautologies
and, as such, cannot make empirically testable predictions. They are not
scientific theories at all."
-- R.H. Peters, "Tautology in Evolution and Ecology," American
Naturalist (1976), Vol. 110, No. 1, p. 1 [emphasis his].
"No fossils have been found that can be considered transitional between the
major groups or phyla. From the beginning, these organisms were just clearly
and distinctly set apart from each other as they are today. Instead of
finding a record of fine graduations preserved in the fossil record, we
invariably find large gaps. This fact is absolutely FATAL to the general
theory of evolution."
-- Scott M. Huges. PH.D
"Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say
THERE ARE NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS."
-- Dr. Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist, British Museum of
Natural History. Dr. Colin Patterson was the senior paleontologist and
editor of the prestigious journal of the British Museum of Natural History.
He wrote in a letter, that he didn't know of any real evidence of
evolutionary transitions either among living or fossilized organisms.
-- "Darwin's Enigma" by Luther Sunderland ch.1
"One of the reasons I started taking this anti-evolutionary view, was..
it struck me that I had been working on this stuff for twenty years and
there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that
one can be so misled so long, so for the last few weeks I have tried putting
a simple question to various people and groups of people.
Question is: Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one
thing that is true?
I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of
Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on
the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of
Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all I got there was
silence for a long time and eventually one person said: "I do know one
thing -- it ought not to be taught in high school."
-- Dr. Colin Patterson, Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of
Natural History, Keynote address at the American Museum of Natural History,
NYC.
"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great
con-men, And the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever."
-- Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission, USA
"Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the only
alternative is special creation, and that is unthinkable."
-- Sir Arthur Keith, author of the forward to the 100th anniversary
edition of "Origin of Species" in 1959
"In conclusion, evolution is not observable, repeatable, or refutable, and
thus does not qualify as either a scientific fact or theory."
-- Dr. David N.Menton, PhD in Biology from Brown University
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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09 Jun 2006 12:01:33 AM |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:25:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Whether you think it's false is irrelevant. The fact is that many noted
scientists are against Darwinism for various reasons, and that makes
evolution debatable. Only dictatorial atheists want to forbid discussion and
debate in educational institutions, for that might prove them wrong.
What is wrong with teaching science in science classes and religion
in religion classes?
Pastor Frank
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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10 Jun 2006 04:53:56 AM |
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"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:25:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Whether you think it's false is irrelevant. The fact is that many
noted
scientists are against Darwinism for various reasons, and that makes
evolution debatable. Only dictatorial atheists want to forbid discussion
and
debate in educational institutions, for that might prove them wrong.
What is wrong with teaching science in science classes and religion
in religion classes?
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
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13 Jun 2006 08:49:27 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:25:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Whether you think it's false is irrelevant. The fact is that many
noted
scientists are against Darwinism for various reasons, and that makes
evolution debatable. Only dictatorial atheists want to forbid discussion
and
debate in educational institutions, for that might prove them wrong.
What is wrong with teaching science in science classes and religion
in religion classes?
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Jun 2006 02:44:38 AM |
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"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but
might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Baseless assumption resting on no more than belief and faith. You have
now become a true-believing religionist, Barry!
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| User: "Aaron" |
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:44:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but
might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Baseless assumption resting on no more than belief and faith. You have
now become a true-believing religionist, Barry!
Frank, ID is nothing more that the illegal parts of the Creationist
political platform with a new name. Since "creationist Science" was
proven to be a sham and nothing but lies, they came up with a version
that does not oppose evolution - just violate the constitution and
impose relion on children against their parent's wishes. But then you
are not from the US - does your country even have a constitition?
BTW:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
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15 Jun 2006 05:24:22 AM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:44:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but
might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Baseless assumption resting on no more than belief and faith. You have
now become a true-believing religionist, Barry!
Frank, ID is nothing more that the illegal parts of the Creationist
political platform with a new name.
We know Aaron, you have that directly from the mouth of YHWV, no
evidence nor explanation needed. LOL
Since "creationist Science" was
proven to be a sham and nothing but lies, they came up with a version
that does not oppose evolution - just violate the constitution and
impose relion on children against their parent's wishes. But then you
are not from the US - does your country even have a constitition?
It isn't the "constitution" stupid, it was court order. The constitution
specifies, that congress shall make NO LAW prohibiting religion or the free
exercise thereof. What did the court do? They prohibited freedom of religion
in class rooms.
BTW:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
I believe the entire Bible, not like you who thinks part of it are lies,
such as Jews taking the land of Israel by force of arms and "killing all
that breatheth" in the entire country to "occupy the land" and "reap where
you have not sown". See below for the gory details.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:24:22 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:44:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but
might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Baseless assumption resting on no more than belief and faith. You have
now become a true-believing religionist, Barry!
Frank, ID is nothing more that the illegal parts of the Creationist
political platform with a new name.
We know Aaron, you have that directly from the mouth of YHWV, no
evidence nor explanation needed. LOL
Since "creationist Science" was
proven to be a sham and nothing but lies, they came up with a version
that does not oppose evolution - just violate the constitution and
impose relion on children against their parent's wishes. But then you
are not from the US - does your country even have a constitition?
It isn't the "constitution" stupid, it was court order.
The constitution
specifies, that congress shall make NO LAW prohibiting religion or the free
exercise thereof. What did the court do? They prohibited freedom of religion
in class rooms.
Frank, that is a lie, the court PROTECTED freedom of religion.
You think that you can just make up lies and that you can then use
taxpayer money to impose those lies on other people's children? That
is NOT part of Christianity!
BTW: we are talking about the US not your country!
BTW:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
I believe the entire Bible, not like you who thinks part of it are lies,
such as Jews taking the land of Israel by force of arms and "killing all
that breatheth" in the entire country to "occupy the land" and "reap where
you have not sown".
Frank you just lied about the Bible.
The Bible quotes Jesus as commanding the Jews to kill all that
breateth. No one but you denies this.
Of course you also lie about several things in your claims about the
quotes below. You have bee caught at this using this exact per-typed
file, and still you publically humiliate yourself by posting it when
you know it is going to reveal your racism and your disregard for the
Bible.
See below for the gory details.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Yes, He made this Commandment to Jew and Gentile alike. The Jews did
not
seek to take land from other people, God (Jesus commanded them to
punish
the idolaters who had committed evil actions in His land that He had
already
given to the Jews. Yet you covet the Land of Israel to establish new
terrorist bases for the Jihad. The people that you support murder
woman
and children and you support their evil with glee.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted.
Frank, if you bothered reading the Gospels, you would know that
Jesus/YHVH
commanded His followers to obey all the Commandments of the Torah
(Genesis,
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). If you bother reading
these,
you learn that Jesus commanded the killing of certain criminals. If
you
reading the Old Testament, you learn that Jesus/YHVH commanded the
killing
of many pagans when He delivered the Land of Israel to the Children of
Israel.
Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide.
No, God gave the land to Israel centuries earlier and the people who
were living in Israel were stealing that land from the People of
Israel. Moreover, those thieving pagans committed the worst forms of
idolatry including incenerating their first born children, and cross
breeding their daughters with nifelim (demons).
Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "possess the land" and "reap where they have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
The Hamites who occupied the Land of Israel were not Semitic.
This is detailed in the Bible. You really should read it sometime.
Frank, there was only one Holocaust. Your attempt to misuse the word
is
yet another demonstration of your anti-Semitism.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course, we also know that God destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
check a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Frank, that is dishonest! You left off part of the verse. Let me
help:
"O daughter of Babylon, who has been violated, praiseworthy is the one
who repays you and your recompence for how you treated us praiseworthy
will be the one who will clutch and dash your infants against the
rock."
As you may not know, the Babylonians invaded Israel and were driven
back by King David. The Babylonians murdered Jewish infants when
they inbaded. While the Jews would not repay Babylon for this crime,
God caused Darius the Meade to invade Babylon and his Persian-Meadian
army did murder the infants of the Babylonians. And God blessed
them with all the wealth of Babylon for punishing the Babylonians
for their attack against Israel.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
In Numbers 31:1&2, God (Jesus) ordered the execution of the
Midianites; in versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being
too merciful. Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews
are too merciful to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern
nation of Israel.
Also, Frank, you changed verse 18. It Bible says "ishah (woman)," not
"female children. So not only do you hate what Jesus commanded, you
also lie about what the Bible says. You must really hate God! That
is why you Post to news groups pretending to be a Christian even
though you have admitted your Atheism, right?
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:24:22 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
See below what the Bible has to say about that.
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
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His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
Aside from the law concerning the treatment of enemies, Exodus 21:23-24
Jesus directly replaced several other Mosaic Laws.
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Gathering Of Food On The Sabbath
Exodus 16:28-29: and replaced with Mark 2:23-27:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Divorce Deuteronomy 24:1-4: and replaces
it with Matthew 5-31-32:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Adultery with John 8:3-11:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Taking Of Oaths Numbers 30:1-2: and
Deuteronomy 23:21: and replaced it with Matthew 5:33-37:
Jesus Came to Fulfill the Law Hebrews 7:22: This makes Jesus the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this. The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:24:22 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
See below what the Bible has to say about that.
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat,
let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of
thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not
even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
Irrelevant. No one has suggested there is no difference in the covenants.
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His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye,
tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
Aside from the law concerning the treatment of enemies, Exodus
21:23-24
Jesus directly replaced several other Mosaic Laws.
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Gathering Of Food On The Sabbath
Exodus 16:28-29: and replaced with Mark 2:23-27:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Divorce Deuteronomy 24:1-4: and replaces
it with Matthew 5-31-32:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning Adultery with John 8:3-11:
Jesus Repeals Laws Concerning The Taking Of Oaths Numbers 30:1-2: and
Deuteronomy 23:21: and replaced it with Matthew 5:33-37:
Jesus Came to Fulfill the Law Hebrews 7:22: This makes Jesus the
guarantor of a better covenant.
Irrelevant. No one gas suggested the new covenant isn't better.
Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
This is relevant. The old is ready to pass away, and Jesus tells us when it
will pass away: "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in
no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt 5:18).
The law is necessary for the salvation of the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect (Rom
11:28), who are not free from the condemnation of the law (Rom 8:1-2). They
are debtors to the law: "For I testify again to every man that is
circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3). They are
not recipients of the grace of Christ to be saved at His coming, but
recipients of the grace poured out after He returns:
Zech. 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this. The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.
--
http://stores.ebay.com/fasTrack-on-the-Bay
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7)."
"Behold, I will send you EL YH [LORD God] the prophet before the coming of
the great and dreadful day of the Lord" (Mal 4:5)
"Why then say the scribes that ELYH [Elijah] must first come" (Matt 17:10)?
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom
11:25).
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
This is relevant. The old is ready to pass away, and Jesus tells us when
it
will pass away: "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall
in
no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt 5:18).
The law is necessary for the salvation of the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
(Rom
11:28), who are not free from the condemnation of the law (Rom 8:1-2).
They
are debtors to the law: "For I testify again to every man that is
circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3). They are
not recipients of the grace of Christ to be saved at His coming, but
recipients of the grace poured out after He returns:
Zech. 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this.
The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.
Glad you agree, that Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law, and upon His
death on the cross the law was fulfilled.
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:43:17 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover@email.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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Hebrews 8:13: In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one
obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old, is ready to
vanish away.
This is relevant. The old is ready to pass away, and Jesus tells us when
it
will pass away: "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall
in
no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt 5:18).
The law is necessary for the salvation of the enemy-of-the-gospel-elect
(Rom
11:28), who are not free from the condemnation of the law (Rom 8:1-2).
They
are debtors to the law: "For I testify again to every man that is
circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law" (Gal 5:3). They are
not recipients of the grace of Christ to be saved at His coming, but
recipients of the grace poured out after He returns:
Zech. 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
Prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill." Jesus did just this.
The
Old Law was not destroyed, but it was fulfilled.
Glad you agree, that Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law, and upon His
death on the cross the law was fulfilled.
Actually, Jesus made the Law more strict before that in Mattew 22 and
Mattew 5 both He declared that correct motivations must accompany
righteous actions.
Frank, You keep trying to dodge the issue. If you are a Christian,
you must believe that the entire Bible is true and you must believe
certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
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Pastor Frank wrote spam:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:24:22 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
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Aaron wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:24:22 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
Frank, do you believe:
That Jesus is YHVH?
That all of the old Testament is true?
That YHVH is a real person (supernatural in nature, but with real
feelings, opinions, and who takes actions) instead of just being
'love"?
Do you believe all of what Jesus said in the Gospels?
Do you believe that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews alone?
Do you believe that all the Jews will be saved, as it says in Romans
11?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that all of His followers must obey
the 613 Commandments found in the Torah?
Do you believe jesus when he promised to sent angels to destroy about
half of Christianity for disobeying the Commandments (Matthew 13)?
Do you believe Jesus when he said that those who call upon him name
for salvation but who reject the Law will not be saved?
Modern Judaism teaches that the Law is just for the Jews and must be
done voluntarily. Jesus said that all of His followers are to obey
all the Commandments. Which do you believe?
We wait for an answer, Frank...
Perhaps you do, but the rest of us are tired of of seeing him.
plonk him Aaron. Have some dignity.
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:44:38 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Barry OGrady" <god_free_jones@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:53:56 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
Non sequitur. Intelligent design is not necessarily religion, but
might
be if proved correct. That's a no-no for all atheists, for it would make
atheism redundant.
I don't think too many atheists are worried about being proven wrong,
but the whole basis of the drive to teach mythology in science classes
is that the ID movement knows it is wrong.
Baseless assumption resting on no more than belief and faith. You have
now become a true-believing religionist, Barry!
Frank, ID is nothing more that the illegal parts of the Creationist
political platform with a new name.
We know Aaron, you have that directly from the mouth of YHWV, no
evidence nor explanation needed. LOL
Since "creationist Science" was
proven to be a sham and nothing but lies, they came up with a version
that does not oppose evolution - just violate the constitution and
impose relion on children against their parent's wishes. But then you
are not from the US - does your country even have a constitition?
It isn't the "constitution" stupid, it was court order.
The constitution
specifies, that congress shall make NO LAW prohibiting religion or the free
exercise thereof. What did the court do? They prohibited freedom of religion
in class rooms.
Frank, that is a lie, the court PROTECTED freedom of religion.
You think that you can just make up lies and that you can then use
taxpayer money to impose those lies on other people's children? That
is NOT part of Christianity!
BTW: we are talking about the US not your country!
BTW:
Frank, if you are a Christian, you must believe that the entire Bible
is true and you must believe certain facts from the Bible.
I believe the entire Bible, not like you who thinks part of it are lies,
such as Jews taking the land of Israel by force of arms and "killing all
that breatheth" in the entire country to "occupy the land" and "reap where
you have not sown".
Frank you just lied about the Bible.
The Bible quotes Jesus as commanding the Jews to kill all that
breateth. No one but you denies this.
Of course you also lie about several things in your claims about the
quotes below. You have bee caught at this using this exact per-typed
file, and still you publically humiliate yourself by posting it when
you know it is going to reveal your racism and your disregard for the
Bible.
See below for the gory details.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Yes, He made this Commandment to Jew and Gentile alike. The Jews did
not
seek to take land from other people, God (Jesus commanded them to
punish
the idolaters who had committed evil actions in His land that He had
already
given to the Jews. Yet you covet the Land of Israel to establish new
terrorist bases for the Jihad. The people that you support murder
woman
and children and you support their evil with glee.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted.
Frank, if you bothered reading the Gospels, you would know that
Jesus/YHVH
commanded His followers to obey all the Commandments of the Torah
(Genesis,
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). If you bother reading
these,
you learn that Jesus commanded the killing of certain criminals. If
you
reading the Old Testament, you learn that Jesus/YHVH commanded the
killing
of many pagans when He delivered the Land of Israel to the Children of
Israel.
Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide.
No, God gave the land to Israel centuries earlier and the people who
were living in Israel were stealing that land from the People of
Israel. Moreover, those thieving pagans committed the worst forms of
idolatry including incenerating their first born children, and cross
breeding their daughters with nifelim (demons).
Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "possess the land" and "reap where they have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
The Hamites who occupied the Land of Israel were not Semitic.
This is detailed in the Bible. You really should read it sometime.
Frank, there was only one Holocaust. Your attempt to misuse the word
is
yet another demonstration of your anti-Semitism.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course, we also know that God destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
check a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Frank, that is dishonest! You left off part of the verse. Let me
help:
"O daughter of Babylon, who has been violated, praiseworthy is the one
who repays you and your recompence for how you treated us praiseworthy
will be the one who will clutch and dash your infants against the
rock."
As you may not know, the Babylonians invaded Israel and were driven
back by King David. The Babylonians murdered Jewish infants when
they inbaded. While the Jews would not repay Babylon for this crime,
God caused Darius the Meade to invade Babylon and his Persian-Meadian
army did murder the infants of the Babylonians. And God blessed
them with all the wealth of Babylon for punishing the Babylonians
for their attack against Israel.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
In Numbers 31:1&2, God (Jesus) ordered the execution of the
Midianites; in versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being
too merciful. Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews
are too merciful to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern
nation of Israel.
Also, Frank, you changed verse 18. It Bible says "ishah (woman)," not
"female children. So not only do you hate what Jesus commanded, you
also lie about what the Bible says. You must really hate God! That
is why you Post to news groups pretending to be a Christian even
though you have admitted your Atheism, right?
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