On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:02:26 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Dave, if you can't prove Babylon was destroyed, who destroyed it and
When...

Then just admit the truth...

I would NOT be talking about admitting the truth,
if I were YOU!

You can't prove Babylon was ever destroyed...

Hope on a jet and go look, DUMB *****!

You also read in an encyclopedia where it said
it lays desolate, DUMB *****!


Let's see what Glenn snipped, which is his usual
DUMB ***** M.O., just as most DUMB ASSES do.

Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven, and
remain desolate to this day.

Both Isaiah and Jeremiah tell us that God said He would destroy Babylon
in the
same way.

"As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof,
saith
the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man
dwell
therein." Jere 50:40

"And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees'
excellency,
shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Isaiah 13:19

However, when the city was captured in the lifetime of Daniel, it was
not
destroyed. In fact, there is no record (which I know of) that any
invading
army ever destroyed it--Babylon just fell into ruin as civilization
moved away

from it.

There are some who wish to tell us that God was speaking in "hyperbole,"

No stupid, you are ONCE AGAIN MISREPRESENTING
what has been said. I said NOTHING about THIS prophecy
being "hyperbole". Parts of it are hyperbole (a bit of
exaggeration, to make a point), but the essence of it
is quite literal.

And it would do you good, TO STOP TWISTING SCRIPTURE
and to STOP TWISTING MY WORDS!!!

Babylon was destroyed. But that is irrelevant.

Clip to the point

Babylon was conquered.

Yes, Babylon was conquered--as recorded by Daniel.

The order to rebuild Jerusalem
was given by Cyrus, just as the Bible said it would be

Yes, the order to rebuild was given, just as recorded by Daniel.

and later, Babylon was destroyed. Period.

Period?????


Perhaps you would be so kind as to name the Nation which destroyed
Babylon?

Off the top of my head, I don't remember exactly
who and when. I have looked it up many times,
but it just seems to be one of those things I can't
hold in my brain. Maybe you're not the only
"old dog" anymore. :)

However...

Did you forget to take a look at it? Do you really
need an exact date, when it sits there, no longer
a nation, having been desolate, with no nation
being set up there for how long now? Only the
futurist denies what is right in front of his face!

Now go ahead and say that if I don't provide a
specific name, I'm lying. Go ahead and pretend
that Babylon is magically transformed into a
flourishing nation on the map, right after I send
this message, because I didn't give you a specific
date. Please! (:

The truth is, if ice cream is laying on the floor,
does one need to know exactly when it was dropped,
in order to correctly claim that the ice cream
was indeed dropped? Your logic says that if one
doesn't state the exact time it was dropped and
exactly who dropped it, that the ice cream was
never dropped and isn't really on the floor. (:

Now on to the real issue...

God said it would not be rebuilt. The Bible tells
us that Babylon would be destroyed and remain
that way.

Isaiah 13:19-20

19) And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty
of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God
overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20) It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be
dwelt in from generation to generation: neither
shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall
the shepherds make their fold there.

Jeremiah 51:61-62

61) And Jeremiah said to Seraiah, When thou comest
to Babylon, and shalt see, and shalt read all these
words;
62) Then shalt thou say, O LORD, thou hast spoken
against this place, to cut it off, that none shall
remain in it, neither man nor beast, but that it shall
be desolate for ever.

Notice, "desolate for ever". A few tourists visiting
some buildings does not Babylon make.

You await its rebuilding. You don't believe the word
of God.

Let me ask you, if it has not been destroyed,
then why are you awaiting its rebuilding?

If it hasn't fallen and been destroyed, then
there is no need to rebuild it, is there?

So by what you wait for, you admit that it
was indeed destroyed and became desolate.

Thus, I don't need to prove what you already
admit to. :)

You look for a rebuilding of physical Babylon
and yet, admit that Babylon represents
another city in your other post. So you are
conflicting with your own messages.

God said that physical Babylon would never
be rebuilt, period. So to wait for that, is to
add to the word of God. Nowhere can anyone
show that the Bible says that physical Babylon
will be rebuilt and yet, the church's modern
doctrine claims that physical Babylon will be
rebuilt and on top of that, that the Bible says
it will be. W-H-E-R-E ???

It seems to me that you are mixing spiritual
Babylon, with physical Babylon. The OT
references were talking about physical Babylon.
The NT references were talking about spiritual
Babylon, since Peter calls where he is at the
moment, "Babylon" and physical Babylon was
fallen at that point in time.

As for the Babylon mentioned in the New Testament,
where is Babylon? The great Babylon was destroyed
before Peter wrote his letter and yet, we see Peter
writing the following...

"The church that is at Babylon, elected together with
you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son."
- 1 Peter 5:13

And where was Peter when he wrote this letter?
Some claim Rome. That's possible, but I would
say Jerusalem. And there actually was a small
town called Babylon, but one thing is for sure...
IT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL BABYLON!

Babylon in Revelation, was "the mother of harlots".
Think about it. Who was espoused to God, throughout
the Old Testament. Who played the ***** against God?
Israel did. And what was the city where Israel must
offer sacrifice unto the Lord? Jerusalem, that's which
city. How can pagan nations play the harlot and commit
adultery against God, when they weren't the people of
God to begin with? Israel had the Covenant.

"And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding
Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given
her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah
feared not, but went and played the harlot also."
- Jeremiah 3:8

Israel played the harlot against God. It was the Jews
who murdered the prophets...

Matthew 23:30-38

30) And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers,
we would not have been partakers with them in the
blood of the prophets.
31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that
ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can
ye escape the damnation of hell?
34) Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets,
and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye
shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye
scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them
from city to city:
35) That *UPON YOU* may come all the righteous
blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous
Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias,
whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come
upon this generation.
37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
38) Behold, your house [temple] is left unto *YOU*
desolate.

Read the above carefully and remember, Jesus said it
would come upon THAT generation. And He stated
clearly that He was sent to ISRAEL. The Gentiles were
not even involved in the mission, until 3 1/2 years
after His Resurrection.

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house
of Israel." - Matthew 15:24

And it was the Jews who cried out, rejecting their
true King and calling for His crucifixion.

John 19:14-15

14) And it was the preparation of the passover,
and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto
the Jews, Behold your King!
15) But they cried out, Away with him, away
with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them,
Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests
answered, WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR.

And it was Jerusalem that was "drunk with
the blood of the saints" and "the saints" includes
the Old Testament prophets. All who lived by
faith in the Bible and preached the word of God.
Even in the New Testament and throughout the
1st century, the saints were being martyred. John
the Baptist was beheaded. Stephen was stoned
to death. James was killed, the Jews sought to
kill Paul The list goes on and on, from the Old
Testament, through the New.

Those are the things I would note and so, the
spiritual Babylon mentioned in the NT, was
indeed destroyed in 70 AD.

--

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34

The Last Days were in the first century:

"A LITTLE WHILE, and ye shall not see me:
and again, A LITTLE WHILE and ye shall
see me, because I go to the Father."
- John 16:16

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:02:26 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Dave, if you can't prove Babylon was destroyed, who destroyed it and When...

Then just admit the truth...

I would NOT be talking about admitting the truth,
if I were YOU!

You can't prove Babylon was ever destroyed...

Hope on a jet and go look, DUMB *****!