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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Pastor Frank"
Date: 08 Sep 2004 05:31:34 PM
Object: Re: Burned by church
"Zerubbabel" <stevea@awesomenet.net> wrote in message
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"Rusty" <lr1008@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
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After going to several different churches over several years I must
confess that I'm a little leary of 'organized' religion. Most do not
seem to follow the same core values as the original followers of
Christ. Why is this?


For one thing institutional Christianity is dependent on money rather than
on God. It goal is the preservation and expansion of the institution.

Even

those who truly love God fail when they try to follow Christ within the
confines of this institution, because its very nature is of this world
rather than of the Spirit. Institutional Christianity subverts the
teachings of Christ and softens them because if people were to follow

Jesus

rather than be content as good church members, it would collapse the whole
structure.
Secondly, your typical "Christian" loves this world and this life. He is
more than willing to support teachers, preachers, and intitutions that
justify his worldliness and calm his conscience. For proof, just look at
christian TV.
I speak as one who has served as a pastor in three churches. The
institutional church cannot be fixed. I believe that the only hope is for
those who are called by the Holy Spirit to leave Babylon and return and
restore the (spiritual) Church of Jerusalem. We must take our standard of
what the Church of God is supposed to be from the New Testament. Indeed,
what it means to be a follower of Christ.
I have looked for almost 30 years for the Church whose builder and maker

is

God and have yet to find it. But I believe that Jesus is calling forth a
remnant in this very hour. Before the final darkness covers the earth, He
will restore His Church, a Bride without spot or wrinkle.

Oh yes!!!! There are indeed many, who like you, "look for" the perfect
church with a perfect minister, a perfect congregation in a perfect world,
all without avail. What you seem to forget is, that we are sent by God to
MAKE this world perfect, not to find it already perfectly made.
Instead of complaining, we are to glorify God by preaching God's hope to
the hopeless, and the help of Christ to the helpless etc. Not only that but
we are to praise God for allowing us to do so, for were we to find no
shortcoming to improve upon we would indeed be useless and our lives
fruitless.
Pastor Frank
Gen 3:22-23 And the Lord God said: Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good from evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also
from the tree of life, and eat and live for ever, I will drive out the man
from the garden of Eden, to till the land from which he was taken.
.

User: "Zerubbabel"

Title: Re: Burned by church 08 Sep 2004 11:43:27 PM
I ask again, what churches have you pastored?
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User: "Gwar"

Title: Re: Down with Theism! Up with Common Sense! 09 Sep 2004 09:23:34 AM
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Pastor Frank wrote:

Oh yes!!!! There are indeed many, who like you, "look for" the perfect
church with a perfect minister, a perfect congregation in a perfect world,
all without avail. What you seem to forget is, that we are sent by God to
MAKE this world perfect, not to find it already perfectly made.

You have no evidence, other than arguments by assertions, made by other
fanatics, that anybody or anything sent people to perfect the world. If
you want to go towards perfection, we need to drop this silly fairy tale,
about being sent here by a chimera, into a dumpster.

Instead of complaining, we are to glorify God

Praising nothingness is an empty exercise.

by preaching God's hope to the hopeless,

The so-called hopeless would be better off ridding themselves of those who
deem them hopeless.

and the help of Christ to the helpless etc.

What kind of help is it that cripples people with infantilisms?

Not only that but we are to praise God for allowing us to do so,

Oh, so we're to praise nothingness for allowing ourselves to be deluded by
our own illusions.

for were we to find no shortcoming to improve upon we would indeed be
useless and our lives fruitless.

Contradictions are not provided by supernatural forces for our amusement.
It's the nature of things that there are contradictions.
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