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25 Oct 2004 04:12:47 PM |
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Re: Bush Causes Abortions |
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
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30 Oct 2004 07:48:42 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:29:11 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:12:47 -0400, * US * wrote:
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
Why are you posting American crap politics in a world-wide Christian
newsgroup?
Why are you reading things you can't handle?
Scourge Bush claims (falsely) to be a Christian.
Don't you care when someone drags the name of Christ through the blood?
After all, every Christian is affected when any Christian makes the faith look bad.
Perhaps Christians want to be considered the top mass-murderers of human history.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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30 Oct 2004 11:13:59 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:48:42 -0400, * US * wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:29:11 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:12:47 -0400, * US * wrote:
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
Why are you posting American crap politics in a world-wide Christian
newsgroup?
Why are you reading things you can't handle?
Scourge Bush claims (falsely) to be a Christian.
Don't you care when someone drags the name of Christ through the blood?
After all, every Christian is affected when any Christian makes the faith look bad.
Perhaps Christians want to be considered the top mass-murderers of human history.
Mark 4:14-19
The sower soweth the word. And these are they by the way side, where
the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately,
and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. And these are
they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have
heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root
in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when
affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately
they are offended. And these are they which are sown among thorns;
such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the
deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in,
choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
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| User: "* US *" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Causes Abortions |
31 Oct 2004 06:12:39 AM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 04:13:59 GMT, Taint Zombie <no.truth@untruth.org> wrote:
...Satan cometh immediately ...
So wipe your face, get up off your knees, and
quit genuflecting to Bush. He's abusing you
and others who aren't asking for it at all.
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:29:11 GMT, Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:12:47 -0400, * US * wrote:
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
Why are you posting American crap politics in a world-wide Christian
newsgroup?
Why are you reading things you can't handle?
Scourge Bush claims (falsely) to be a Christian.
Don't you care when someone drags the name of Christ through the blood?
After all, every Christian is affected when any Christian makes the faith look bad.
Perhaps Christians want to be considered the top mass-murderers of human history.
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| User: "j w" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Causes Abortions |
25 Oct 2004 11:32:57 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:12:47 -0400, * US * wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
First, you fail to mention all the "Operation Rescue" programs in
every major city in the US, which offers FREE pre-natal/post-natal
care for any indigent woman who agrees to carry her "unwanted" child
to term an put it up for adoption. Last I checked, there are STILL
something like 10 couples waiting to adopt for every child that is
born to a family that doesn't want it / can't afford it. Why the
lopsided numbers? Because NOW and the pro-abortion movement would
RATHER snuff the life from the pre-born than allow them to be born and
adopted.
Why is that?
I happen to have friends in the "Operation Rescue" movement. Friends
of mine, like Diane Lucas, who aborted her first child, founded
Operation Rescue.
So Marlo Thomas' anthem, adopted by NOW and the baby murderer
movement, "Every Child a Wanted Child" IGNORES the thousands /
millions of childless parents who would adopt those babies in a blink.
Having personally interviewed MANY women who belief in pro-abortion,
dubiously mislabeled "pro-choice", I have yet to hear a satisfactory
answer to "why would you rather abort than carry the child to term and
give it to a loving couple?"
the lame excuses run the gamut from:
"How do I know my baby would get a good home?"
This is absurd. MANY loving couples are eagerly awaiting children to
adopt. There is no basis for that "concern."
the other lamest excuse is, "Why should I carry it to term? Do you
know how much of a "hassle" that would be?"
So better murder your baby than endure some "hassle?"
Something is wrong with this picture!
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
Careful how you talk about Dr. Smedes. I knew the man. He was one of
my seminary profs, and if you accuse him of being pro-abortion, he was
not.
jw
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
Bush supports adoption, not infanticide.
God bless!
j w
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26 Oct 2004 08:39:07 AM |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:32:57 -0700, j w <john_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
First, you fail to mention all the "Operation Rescue" programs in
every major city in the US, which offers FREE pre-natal/post-natal
care for any indigent woman who agrees to carry her "unwanted" child
to term an put it up for adoption.
That's because they're irrelevant. There are many unwanted children
who have no adoptive parents waiting for them. Those damaged by
pollutants have even less hope of being adopted.
Last I checked, there are STILL
something like 10 couples waiting to adopt for every child that is
born to a family that doesn't want it / can't afford it.
Too many such people want only a healthy white infant.
"...the number of older special needs children waiting adoption has skyrocketed. These
children often come from backgrounds of abuse and neglect, and finding appropriate
placements for them is one of the most pressing concerns in child welfare today..."
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881281.html
...the pro-abortion movement ...
There's no such thing. You're merely lying. No one is 'pro' abortion, but those who are
rational realize that for some people it's an unwanted necessity.
Even mothers who want their children lose their pregnancies because of pollutants and
impoverishment which George Bush forces upon them against their will.
You support that, so you support abortions. The world sees through your lies.
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
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| User: "j w" |
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26 Oct 2004 02:22:02 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:39:07 -0400, * US * wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:32:57 -0700, j w <john_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
First, you fail to mention all the "Operation Rescue" programs in
every major city in the US, which offers FREE pre-natal/post-natal
care for any indigent woman who agrees to carry her "unwanted" child
to term an put it up for adoption.
That's because they're irrelevant. There are many unwanted children
who have no adoptive parents waiting for them. Those damaged by
pollutants have even less hope of being adopted.
Not true. And what is "irrelevant" about THOUSANDS of qualified
parents waiting for rare available children?
Your attitude says it all. There could be 1 MILLION qualified people
waiting for 1 baby, and you would still rather murder it.
That isn't "concern" for the society, that is cold-blooded murder of
people who are too small to defend themselves.
You, sir, are a monster.
Last I checked, there are STILL
something like 10 couples waiting to adopt for every child that is
born to a family that doesn't want it / can't afford it.
Too many such people want only a healthy white infant.
Glittering generalities. "Too many...." is NOT ALL.
Even the Bush family has non-white children. Jeb Bush did NOT marry a
Caucasian woman.
And I see on TBN frequently where White Christian parents travel to
China, to India, to Africa, wherever they feel "led" and where babies
are available and needy (these days, to Iraq and Afghanistan) and pay
THOUSANDS of dollars to give foreign/non-white babies good homes.
You, sir, are a lying, murdering, bigot.
"...the number of older special needs children waiting adoption has skyrocketed. These
children often come from backgrounds of abuse and neglect, and finding appropriate
placements for them is one of the most pressing concerns in child welfare today..."
Interesting quote by someone who ignores the facts that Christian
people adopt even older children. We're among the very few who do.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881281.html
...the pro-abortion movement ...
There's no such thing.
"Pro-Choice" is merely Politically Correct "double-speak" for
pro-abortion. There is not one single person involved in the
"pro-Choice" movement who is not in favor of "abortion-on-demand",
which makes it, in reality the "pro-abortion"movement.
And we who are "pro-Live" were re-labeled "anti-abortion" a few years
ago so that our true intent would be obscured.
Rubbish.
All you are saying is that you are part of the "Politically Correct"
double-speak crowd. If you allow the pro-abortion label to be applied
to you, your true intent becomes obvious, so you choose to hide behind
"pro-choice". They are one and the same.
And I am old enough to remember when they were called "pro-Live", and
"pro-abortion" and no one argued.
You're merely lying.
You are the liar.
No one is 'pro' abortion,
All people who claim to be "pro-choice" are pro-abortion. Since you
demand the RIGHT to murder your embryos whenever and wherever you
wish.
but those who are
rational realize that for some people it's an unwanted necessity.
The fact is that "unwanted necessity" does not enter the picture.
Today's law is "abortion on demand" and many Christians in the health
care industry are up in arms over how many healthy fetuses are thrown
in the garbage every day for being "unwanted."
Just because the mother doesn't want the baby, that does NOT mean that
baby isn't wanted.
And precisely what is the objection to carrying it to term and giving
it up for adoption?
Nothing.
You merely demand the right to murder fetuses "if you feel like it."
That is immoral.
What if your mother, 30 - whatever years ago, had decided she didn't
want YOU?
Even mothers who want their children lose their pregnancies because of pollutants and
impoverishment which George Bush forces upon them against their will.
Rubbish. And you can ALWAYS find an exception, or some rare example to
justify your demand for legalized murder.
You support that, so you support abortions. The world sees through your lies.
Liar. Do not speak for me.
And the "damaged" can still contribute. I am damaged, and I
contribute.
jw
God bless!
j w
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| User: "* US *" |
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26 Oct 2004 10:11:07 PM |
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http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=13623
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/accessamerica/docs/dallaskids.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/Police_State/Kids_Victimized_By_State_Plans/kids_victimized_by_state_plans.html
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:22:02 -0700, j w <john_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not true.
You lie when you post but I don't.
The fact remains that there are unwanted children
waiting for adoption with little or no hope of finding
a home.
And what is "irrelevant" about THOUSANDS of qualified
parents waiting for rare available children?
That's just your false claim. They don't want babies
who aren't young and healthy. That's why children
who aren't young or healthy are still waiting for homes.
I believe children should have loving homes.
You're the monster who wants to deprive them of that.
... a lying, murdering, bigot.
Of course you are: you support Bush.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:32:57 -0700, j w <john_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
First, you fail to mention all the "Operation Rescue" programs in
every major city in the US, which offers FREE pre-natal/post-natal
care for any indigent woman who agrees to carry her "unwanted" child
to term an put it up for adoption.
That's because they're irrelevant. There are many unwanted children
who have no adoptive parents waiting for them. Those damaged by
pollutants have even less hope of being adopted.
Last I checked, there are STILL
something like 10 couples waiting to adopt for every child that is
born to a family that doesn't want it / can't afford it.
Too many such people want only a healthy white infant.
"...the number of older special needs children waiting adoption has skyrocketed. These
children often come from backgrounds of abuse and neglect, and finding appropriate
placements for them is one of the most pressing concerns in child welfare today..."
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0881281.html
...the pro-abortion movement ...
There's no such thing. You're merely lying. No one is 'pro' abortion, but those who are
rational realize that for some people it's an unwanted necessity.
Even mothers who want their children lose their pregnancies because of pollutants and
impoverishment which George Bush forces upon them against their will.
You support that, so you support abortions. The world sees through your lies.
On 25 Oct 2004 12:08:47 -0700, (Kris) wrote:
"Two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three
years, unemployment rates increased half again. Average real incomes
decreased, and the minimum wage has not been raised to keep up with
inflation for seven years. With less income, many prospective mothers
fear another mouth to feed.
"Half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate
(Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually
do not marry. Only three of my 16 states had more marriages in 2002
than in 2001; in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16
states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year
before, and 7,869 more abortions.
"Women worry about health care for themselves and their children.
Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before
this presidency abortion increases.
"What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate
issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere
tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs,
childcare, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word,
means we need a president who will do something about jobs and
insurance and support for prospective mothers.
"Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at
Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif. He formerly lived and
taught in Louisville."
From:
http://www.courier-journal.com/cjextra/editorials/2004/10/11/oped-stassen1011-5709.html
Again, thanks for posting this.
Support for Bush is support for rorcing abortions on women who don't want them.
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