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29 Dec 2005 10:45:40 PM |
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Re: BUT BEFORE ALL THESE |
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
a list of 'all these'
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
And they all happened already.
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"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
The Last Days were in the first century:
"For yet, A LITTLE WHILE, and He that SHALL
come will come, and WILL NOT TARRY.
- Hebrews 10:37
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: BUT BEFORE ALL THESE |
29 Dec 2005 11:39:47 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
a list of 'all these'
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
And they all happened already.
Fine, you did not tell me what "But *BEFORE* _ALL_ these" means...
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:50:31 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:39:47 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
a list of 'all these'
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
And they all happened already.
Fine, you did not tell me what "But *BEFORE* _ALL_ these" means...
If you can't figure that out, that's your problem.
The question is, does it matter, since they already
happened? No, of course not. If they already
happened, then it's all been fulfilled. That's what
"already happened" means.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
When Christianity becomes religion,
it leaves the heart hungry.
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:43:08 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
a list of 'all these'
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
And they all happened already.
ok, but the question was:
Luke wrote "But before all these..."
What does "But before all these" mean?
Luke 21:8-13
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in
my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not
therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for
these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom
against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and
pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and
persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
BUT BEFORE ALL THESE (verse 12)
In the simplist possible definition, what does "but _before_ all these"
mean?
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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Sophistry is not a system of ideas, but a vicious attitude of the mind.
Jacques Maritain
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And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth... 2 Thes 2:10-12
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:52:25 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:43:08 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth... 2 Thes 2:10-12
That's an interesting passage you quote, considering
that you claim that the writers of the NT were wrong,
which means that they not only believed a lie, but that
they taught a lie, which would mean that the passage
you just quoted was probably a lie. So why do you
quote those whom you claim taught error?
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
The Last Days were in the first century:
"For yet, A LITTLE WHILE, and He that SHALL
come will come, and WILL NOT TARRY.
- Hebrews 10:37
This signature was made by SigChanger.
You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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30 Dec 2005 02:44:59 AM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:43:08 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth... 2 Thes 2:10-12
That's an interesting passage you quote, considering
that you claim that the writers of the NT were wrong,
which means that they not only believed a lie, but that
they taught a lie, which would mean that the passage
you just quoted was probably a lie. So why do you
quote those whom you claim taught error?
There is no error in God's word, and no contradictin.
You are teaching a false Doctrine: Preterism is a Lie.
Dave, it is YOU who are suffering from delusion.
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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For in much wisdom is much grief: And he that increaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow. Solomon
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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30 Dec 2005 04:44:08 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:59 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:43:08 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth... 2 Thes 2:10-12
That's an interesting passage you quote, considering
that you claim that the writers of the NT were wrong,
which means that they not only believed a lie, but that
they taught a lie, which would mean that the passage
you just quoted was probably a lie. So why do you
quote those whom you claim taught error?
There is no error in God's word, and no contradictin.
Now you're lying and trying to slip out from under your
claim that the writers of the NT were wrong about when
Christ was supposed to return.
You are teaching a false Doctrine: Preterism is a Lie.
My doctrine does not claim that the writers of
the Bible were wrong.
Dave, it is YOU who are suffering from delusion.
And you seem to think that the way to prove that,
is by claiming that the writers of the NT were wrong
about when Christ would return and to then quote
the Bible, regarding things that have to do with
His return, which those same people wrote.
Their statements can only be said to state that
the events were in the future to the point in time
that they wrote the words.
And if they expected Christ to return within that
generation, as you admitted and said they were
wrong about, then anything else they said, they
were saying was going to happen within that
generation, since the events had to happen before
Christ returned.
Thus, you have just removed all of their teaching
as erroneous, since they taught events that they
claimed would happen within their generation
and according to you, they did not. Thus, given
your doctrine and your statement about their
error, it would mean that their words, which
were based on the teachings of Christ, as they
said they were, failed and you have no reason
to believe the Bible, let alone quote it.
And of course, that means that your doctrine that
Jesus is returning in this generation now, which
you claim is based on what the Bible teaches, is
based on a bunch of erroneous writings, according
to your own accusation against the writers.
This is what your statement means. One either
accepts the Bible, or one doesn't. There is no,
"They were wrong about this particular thing",
which can be followed by claiming that there
are no errors in the Bible, just because you want
to believe something else about that particular
thing. That's hypocrisy of the highest order! (:
So you contradict yourself and make yourself
a hypocrite, with every post! (:
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
www.answersingenesis.org
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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30 Dec 2005 04:48:09 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:59 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be
saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the
truth... 2 Thes 2:10-12
That's an interesting passage you quote, considering
that you claim that the writers of the NT were wrong,
which means that they not only believed a lie, but that
they taught a lie, which would mean that the passage
you just quoted was probably a lie. So why do you
quote those whom you claim taught error?
There is no error in God's word, and no contradictin.
Now you're lying and trying to slip out from under
your claim that the writers of the NT were wrong
about when Christ was supposed to return.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Dave, it is YOU who are suffering from delusion.
And you seem to think that the way to prove that,
is by claiming that the writers of the NT were wrong
about when Christ would return and to then quote
the Bible, regarding things that have to do with
His return, which those same people wrote.
Their statements can only be said to state that
the events were in the future to the point in time
that they wrote the words.
And if they expected Christ to return within that
generation, as you admitted and said they were
wrong about, then anything else they said, they
were saying was going to happen within that
generation, since the events had to happen before
Christ returned.
Thus, you have just removed all of their teaching
as erroneous, since they taught events that they
claimed would happen within their generation
and according to you, they did not. Thus, given
your doctrine and your statement about their
error, it would mean that their words, which
were based on the teachings of Christ, as they
said they were, failed and you have no reason
to believe the Bible, let alone quote it.
And of course, that means that your doctrine that
Jesus is returning in this generation now, which
you claim is based on what the Bible teaches, is
based on a bunch of erroneous writings, according
to your own accusation against the writers.
This is what your statement means. One either
accepts the Bible, or one doesn't. There is no,
"They were wrong about this particular thing",
which can be followed by claiming that there
are no errors in the Bible, just because you want
to believe something else about that particular
thing. That's hypocrisy of the highest order! (:
So you contradict yourself and make yourself
a hypocrite, with every post! (:
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
www.drdino.com
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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30 Dec 2005 12:00:29 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:59 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Dave refuses to answer a simple question:
"What does "But BEFORE All these" mean"
owd
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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30 Dec 2005 12:27:17 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:00:29 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:59 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Dave refuses to answer a simple question:
"What does "But BEFORE All these" mean"
You can whine all you want. Everything I ask you, you
snip and ignore, or ignore the thread completely!
Now you want to claim that I'm dodging a question?
Please!
No go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
In the beginning, God created...
And He did it in six days and said He did it in six
days (Exodus 20:11). Jesus believed that and
referenced it, in Matthew 19:3-8 and in other places.
The original Hebrew word for "day" ("yom"), is never
used to mean anything but a literal day in the Bible,
when a numerical adjective is present ("second, third,
etc.). Are we to believe that this is somehow the
one exception?
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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30 Dec 2005 01:06:22 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:00:29 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:44:59 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Dave refuses to answer a simple question:
"What does "But BEFORE All these" mean"
You can whine all you want. Everything I ask you, you
snip and ignore, or ignore the thread completely!
Now you want to claim that I'm dodging a question?
Please!
No go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime, then they were
wrong.
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his
coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they
were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:3-4
In Peter he was talking about those who were being ridiculed by
'scoffers' because they believed the immanent return of Jesus meant He
would return in their lifetime--and He had not yet returned.
Now, in these Last Days, we have these same scoffers who ridicule those
who are waiting His return, saying He returned in AD 70.
That He did NOT return in AD 70 is clear to anyone who will look out
their window,
Who is stuck in a traffic jam on a 6 lane freeway,
Or reads the news about the persecution of Christians in Asia and the
Mid East,
And remembers the Afflictions suffered by Christians in Russia,
Who has a friend or relative who has been raped and murdered,
Or has attempted to witness to Pagans, Atheists or Cultists like Jones,
Who is aware of the many false prophets who teach lies
Or pays attention to the number of men (and a female or two) who claim
to be Christ
Who is aware of the signs described in the Trumpets and Vials,
And watches the evidence of the death of the earth’s ecology
Anyone, that is, who is doing as Jesus commanded, and is WATCHING,
Anyone, that is, who is not suffering from delusion,
Who Loves the Truth of His Word.
Now, it seems to me that those who are deceived by the Lie of Preterism
are saying that “since He has already returned, then you are wasting
your time to study the prophecies of His return.”
The Preterists teach “that you are wasting your time examining current
events since they cannot be a fulfillment of those Prophecies.”
In fact, Preterists ridicule “Newspaper Eschatology” because it has all
been fulfilled, scoffing at the very idea that current events may just
possibly be an event heralding His return!
In other words: YOU don’t need to watch…
Mt 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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For in much wisdom is much grief: And he that increaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow. Solomon
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: GLENN ADMITS TO CLAIMING WRITERS OF NT WERE WRONG!!! |
30 Dec 2005 01:25:39 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Now go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime,
then they were wrong.
They did, as I showed you and that's what prompted
your statement that I quoted above.
Thank you for admitting again that you claim that
the writers of the NT were wrong.
<Snip Glenn's quote of Peter from the NT>
And since they expected Christ to return within
their generation, as you admitted and said they
were wrong about, then anything else they said,
they were saying was going to happen within that
generation, since the events had to happen before
Christ returned.
Thus, you have just removed all of their teaching
as erroneous, since they taught events that they
claimed would happen within their generation
and according to you, they did not. Thus, given
your doctrine and your statement about their
error, it would mean that their words, which
were based on the teachings of Christ, as they
said they were, failed and you have no reason
to believe the Bible, let alone quote it.
And of course, that means that your doctrine that
Jesus is returning in this generation now, which
you claim is based on what the Bible teaches, is
based on a bunch of erroneous writings, according
to your own accusation against the writers.
This is what your statement means. One either
accepts the Bible, or one doesn't. There is no,
"They were wrong about this particular thing",
which can be followed by claiming that there
are no errors in the Bible, just because you want
to believe something else about that particular
thing. That's hypocrisy of the highest order! (:
So you contradict yourself and make yourself
a hypocrite, with every post! (:
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
The Last Days were in the first century:
"But the end of all things is AT HAND: be YE
therefore sober, and watch unto prayer."
- 1 Peter 4:7
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: GLENN ADMITS TO CLAIMING WRITERS OF NT WERE WRONG!!! |
30 Dec 2005 03:54:10 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Now go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime,
then they were wrong.
[snip sophistry]
When you go to a movie, and the movie comes to its climax, the Hero is
victorious, the weak and endangered victims are rescued and the enemy is
defeated; the screen displays a notice-- *THE END*
Now most of the audience gets out of their seats and heads for the exit,
while those who have no idea what "The End" means remain in their seats
waiting for the movie to continue.
Are you one of the Wise who understands what "*THE END*" means?
Daniel:
Dan. 12:9-13
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and
sealed _till the time of the end_.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked
shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise
shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and
the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand
two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred
and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand
in thy lot at _the end of the days_.
Matthew:
Mt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be
not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but _the end is
not yet_
Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure _unto the end _, the same shall be saved.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and _then shall the end come_ .
Being unable to recognize that The End did NOT occur in AD 70 is a
symptom of delusion.
Being unable to recognize that there will be no more days after "the
Last Days" is a symptom of delusion.
Being unable to comprehend that there will not be another day after "the
Last Day" is evidence of delusion.
Being unable to understand that there will not be another hour after
That Last Hour is proof of complete and utter delusion.
To Reject Truth is to embrace the Lie.
Paul:
2 Thes 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they
should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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For in much wisdom is much grief: And he that increaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow. Solomon
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: GLENN ADMITS TO CLAIMING WRITERS OF NT WERE WRONG!!! |
30 Dec 2005 08:18:36 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:54:10 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Now go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime,
then they were wrong.
[snip sophistry]
Sorry Glenn, it isn't "sophistry" to prove your
hypocrisy.
Here it is again...
They did, as I showed you and that's what prompted
your statement that I quoted above.
Thank you for admitting again that you claim that
the writers of the NT were wrong.
<Snip Glenn's quote of Peter from the NT>
And since they expected Christ to return within
their generation, as you admitted and said they
were wrong about, then anything else they said,
they were saying was going to happen within that
generation, since the events had to happen before
Christ returned.
Thus, you have just removed all of their teaching
as erroneous, since they taught events that they
claimed would happen within their generation
and according to you, they did not. Thus, given
your doctrine and your statement about their
error, it would mean that their words, which
were based on the teachings of Christ, as they
said they were, failed and you have no reason
to believe the Bible, let alone quote it.
And of course, that means that your doctrine that
Jesus is returning in this generation now, which
you claim is based on what the Bible teaches, is
based on a bunch of erroneous writings, according
to your own accusation against the writers.
This is what your statement means. One either
accepts the Bible, or one doesn't. There is no,
"They were wrong about this particular thing",
which can be followed by claiming that there
are no errors in the Bible, just because you want
to believe something else about that particular
thing. That's hypocrisy of the highest order! (:
So you contradict yourself and make yourself
a hypocrite, with every post! (:
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"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/vital/evolutio.html
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: GLENN ADMITS TO CLAIMING WRITERS OF NT WERE WRONG!!! |
30 Dec 2005 09:09:54 PM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:54:10 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Now go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime,
then they were wrong.
If the early Saints expected the return of Christ in their lifetime,
they wer wrong.
If you think Jesus returned in AD 70, you are wrong.
If you think "all has been fulfilled" then you are wrong.
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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For in much wisdom is much grief: And he that increaseth knowledge
increaseth sorrow. Solomon
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: GLENN ADMITS TO CLAIMING WRITERS OF NT WERE WRONG!!! |
31 Dec 2005 02:58:41 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:09:54 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:54:10 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Ananias917 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:06:22 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Now go back to telling everyone how the writers of
the NT were wrong about when Jesus was returning,
but you are right when you say He's returning in our
life time and then quote the NT.
When I showed you that the writers of the NT
taught that Christ would return within their
generation, you said...
GLENN: That many early Christians expected
the rapid return of Christ cannot be ignored,
nor can the evidence that they were mistaken
in their hopes and expectations.
Exactly: If they expected His return in their lifetime,
then they were wrong.
If the early Saints expected the return of Christ in their lifetime,
they wer wrong.
They did and you already know that, which is why you
came right out and said they were wrong, in a number
of messages.
You believe yourself, over God's word.
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"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/vital/evolutio.html
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: BUT BEFORE ALL THESE |
29 Dec 2005 11:01:51 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:45:40 GMT, Ananias917
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:40:40 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
a list of 'all these'
a) Do not be deceived by false Christs
b) Do not follow a false Christ
c) Wars and commotions
d) Nation shall rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom
e) Earthquakes in divers places
f) Famine and pestilence
g) Fearful sights, great signs from heaven
And they all happened already.
Devils can speak ...
Matthew 8:31 (KJV)
So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to
go away into the herd of swine.
.... even in KJV bible style. ;-)
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