Religions > Bible > Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE
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22 Aug 2004 01:14:06 PM |
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Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE |
(Gregwrld) wrote in
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Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
===>"Heretics", "apostates", "phonies" are ALSO "Christians"
if they at least claim to worship the "Lord" of Saul/Paul of
Tarsus. -- L.
Heretics may well be Christian heretics. But apostates have
abandoned the faith and phonies are...well...phonies.
I get the impression that Paul was at least a little bit nuts and that
he and his followers defined Christ's message to their own liking.
Paul's thinking was more Hellenic than Pharisaic, that's for sure. But I'm
wondering if that isn't a major part of the whole controversy that we're
not seeing too clearly at this point in time.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE |
22 Aug 2004 07:37:07 PM |
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
GCzebatol@msn.com (Gregwrld) wrote in
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Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
===>"Heretics", "apostates", "phonies" are ALSO "Christians"
if they at least claim to worship the "Lord" of Saul/Paul of
Tarsus. -- L.
Heretics may well be Christian heretics. But apostates have
abandoned the faith and phonies are...well...phonies.
I get the impression that Paul was at least a little bit nuts and that
he and his followers defined Christ's message to their own liking.
Paul's thinking was more Hellenic than Pharisaic, that's for sure. But I'm
wondering if that isn't a major part of the whole controversy that we're
not seeing too clearly at this point in time.
===>Nothing "Pharisaic" there.
Philo, etc. were clearly precursors to Paulinism, but it took the
man from Tarsus, acquainted, at least, with the mystery religions, to
develop a full-fledged mystery cult incorporating the Jewish tradition
of atonement and a Jewish character reportedly having been chosen by
"God" and innocently executed, into the framework of a dying-rising
incarnate savior god. -- L.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE |
24 Aug 2004 09:35:42 PM |
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In article <41293F12.18066BB5@Nothing_But_The.Truth>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Philo, etc. were clearly precursors to Paulinism, but it took the
man from Tarsus, acquainted, at least, with the mystery religions, to
develop a full-fledged mystery cult
Except he removed the mystery from the mystery religion, and nearly all
the Jewish tradition.
incorporating the Jewish tradition
of atonement and a Jewish character reportedly having been chosen by
"God" and innocently executed, into the framework of a dying-rising
incarnate savior god. -- L.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE |
26 Aug 2004 08:37:49 PM |
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Walter Bushell wrote:
In article <41293F12.18066BB5@Nothing_But_The.Truth>,
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Philo, etc. were clearly precursors to Paulinism, but it took the
man from Tarsus, acquainted, at least, with the mystery religions, to
develop a full-fledged mystery cult
Except he removed the mystery from the mystery religion, and nearly all
the Jewish tradition.
incorporating the Jewish tradition
of atonement and a Jewish character reportedly having been chosen by
"God" and innocently executed, into the framework of a dying-rising
incarnate savior god. -- L.
--
Guns don't kill people; automobiles kill people.
===>MICROBES kill people.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? -- OF COURSE |
22 Aug 2004 01:41:39 PM |
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In talk.origins, Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in
<Xns954D738B6CB89doldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>:
GCzebatol@msn.com (Gregwrld) wrote in
news:c8df1ee6.0408220512.4728ef0c@posting.google.com:
Dave Oldridge <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<Xns954BBBBCE54DEdoldridgsprintca@24.71.223.159>...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
news:41266455.47D77103@Nothing_But_The.Truth:
===>"Heretics", "apostates", "phonies" are ALSO "Christians"
if they at least claim to worship the "Lord" of Saul/Paul of
Tarsus. -- L.
Heretics may well be Christian heretics. But apostates have
abandoned the faith and phonies are...well...phonies.
I get the impression that Paul was at least a little bit nuts and that
he and his followers defined Christ's message to their own liking.
Paul's thinking was more Hellenic than Pharisaic, that's for sure. But I'm
wondering if that isn't a major part of the whole controversy that we're
not seeing too clearly at this point in time.
I wonder if it was that Paul was the first one to truly think of
Christianity as a new religion and not just a more inclusive Judaism.
It's pretty clear from the Great Commission that the 'purely Jewish
sect' advocates had lost out early, but the other arguments about the
treatment of proselytes and the application of the Law were preserved in
the epistles, so it hadn't been resolved.
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