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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Dave Oldridge"
Date: 11 Aug 2004 09:15:59 PM
Object: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian?
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:

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"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote

Stanley Friesen wrote:


I believe in a good and just God, and I cannot accept that he
would so baldly and evilly trick us as to make a 6000 year old
universe look so thoroughly old.


The creation of the earth and the heavens surrounding it, is 6000
years old. The Universe is much older.


And the scientific evidene for this is just where?


===>I don't think you seriously expect her to consider any
scientific evidence. ;-) -- L.

Well, they keep telling me that they have something called "creation
science."
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Dave Oldridge+
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A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? 12 Aug 2004 12:45:31 PM
Dave Oldridge wrote:

Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:

"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in
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"Road Warrior" <el_guerrero_del_camino@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Murdoc" <murdoc_0@hotmail.com> wrote

Stanley Friesen wrote:


I believe in a good and just God, and I cannot accept that he
would so baldly and evilly trick us as to make a 6000 year old
universe look so thoroughly old.


The creation of the earth and the heavens surrounding it, is 6000
years old. The Universe is much older.


And the scientific evidene for this is just where?


===>I don't think you seriously expect her to consider any
scientific evidence. ;-) -- L.


Well, they keep telling me that they have something called "creation
science."

===>I have also heard that they are working on making a square circle. -- L.
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User: "David Buckna"

Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? 15 Aug 2004 10:25:08 PM
Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? Yes, but...
It would appear the origins perspectives of Darwinists can be classified
into the following general categories---all of which are based on
naturalistic and materialist philosophy:
ATHEISTIC NATURALISM God does not exist. There is no real design (only
apparent design) and nature is all there is.[eg. Carl Sagan:"The Cosmos is
all that is, or ever was, or ever will be."]
AGNOSTIC NATURALISM One is unsure whether God exists. Though nature may
not be all there is, nature is all that matters.
THEISTIC NATURALISM God exists. He designed the natural laws. There is no
design in the strict sense, and although _in principle_ nature is not all
that matters, _in effect_ it is.
THEISTIC EVOLUTION God designed the natural laws so that their ordinary
operation would result in the intended outcome.
Phillip Johnson says naturalists define words like
"evolution" and "science" in such a way that naturalism is true by
definition. Johnson said in World magazine:
http://www.worldmag.com/newsite/content/displayarticle.cfm?id=1390
"Evolutionary science is based on naturalism and draws philosophical
conclusions to that base. That's why any theistic evolution is inherently
superficial. It leads people into naturalistic thinking, and they don't
realize it." (Nov. 22/97, p.13)
Cool Things About Being an Evolutionist
http://www.nwcreation.net/topten.html
David Buckna
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User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? 16 Aug 2004 09:12:25 AM
David Buckna wrote:

Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? Yes, but...

It would appear the origins perspectives of Darwinists can be classified
into the following general categories---all of which are based on
naturalistic and materialist philosophy:

ATHEISTIC NATURALISM God does not exist. There is no real design (only
apparent design) and nature is all there is.[eg. Carl Sagan:"The Cosmos is
all that is, or ever was, or ever will be."]

===>You forget PANTHEISTIC Naturalism!
(E.g. Albert Einstein). -- L.
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