Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote:

dabuckna@direct.ca (David Buckna) wrote in
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Can an Evolutionist Be a Christian? Yes, but...

It would appear the origins perspectives of Darwinists can be
classified into the following general categories---all of which are
based on naturalistic and materialist philosophy:

ATHEISTIC NATURALISM God does not exist. There is no real design
(only apparent design) and nature is all there is.[eg. Carl
Sagan:"The Cosmos is all that is, or ever was, or ever will be."]

AGNOSTIC NATURALISM One is unsure whether God exists. Though
nature may not be all there is, nature is all that matters.

THEISTIC NATURALISM God exists. He designed the natural laws.
There is no design in the strict sense, and although _in principle_
nature is not all that matters, _in effect_ it is.

THEISTIC EVOLUTION God designed the natural laws so that their
ordinary operation would result in the intended outcome.

Even theistic evolution has varieties, ranging from the traditional
catholic version of God's sovereignty that includes all events,
contingent or not, supposedly random or not, natural or supernatural
to a sort of God created it and now has a hands off theism.

The problem with the anti-naturalists is that they divide the
universe into what God hath wrought and something else. There is
nothing else. The something else exists only in the imaginary
strawman that they concoct with which to criticize science.

===>And the problem with the non-pantheistic theists is that they
divide the ALL into "God" and the rest of existence. -- L.

And some pantheists limit God to the entirety of the physical cosmos.