On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:41:54 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:34:48 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, Victoria Hirt <no@spam.please> pontificated:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:55:55 GMT, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:45:46 +0100, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Bob Brewer <Robert@Brewer-net.de>
pontificated:

Hi,

I saw that there is a 'Christian Mystic' writing here, which is a term
which I use for my own brand of faith. I thought I would just give my
understand an airing.

The Mystics of Christianity were often regarded as 'heretics' of the
Church because they were a gentle challenge to much of what was
considered secured 'knowledge'

No, they are heretics, period and this heresy was
battled by the Apostles themselves.

LOL! I can certainly see your point. I mean we can't call people
true believers if they work miracles in Jesus' name, speak to angels
or Jesus and the like!

Words like "mystic" and "heretic" need parameters before you can
discuss them. To Jews Christ and His Apostles were considered
heretics. To Christians they were mystics.

One of the definitions of "mystic" would fit hopefully most
Christians, "having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither
apparent to the senses nor obvious to the intelligence."

I think you might have the word "mystic" confused with the word
"occult." Or at least with the common use age for the word, rather
than its actual meaning.

Mystic: 1 a : having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither
apparent to the senses nor obvious to the intelligence <the mystical
food of the sacrament> b : involving or having the nature of an
individual's direct subjective communion with God or ultimate reality

Occult: to shut off from view or exposure.

I know very well what a "Christian Mystic" is. And it
isn't as you portray.

I didn't portray it, Webster's did.

You know what YOUR idea of what a Christian mystic is. Please, don't
assume everyone else on the planet agrees with your bogus definition.

Christianity itself is mystical. Satan isn't after our arm, leg, or
hair, but our very mystical soul. No doctor can find the soul and cut
it out like one would a kidney, because the soul is mystical - unseen
and linked to God.

You like so many others have fallen into Satan's trap. By belittling
the word and making it unholy, people like you deter people away from
the mystical side of Christ. You basically shut the door on a vast
wealth of God's Love and Presence and turn it into something dirty.

No Christian can be a Christian unless s/he is involved in the
mystical. Go back to the definition of mystical and then think about
the meaning of faith.
The only freedom tyranny offers is the freedom to submit.