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Re: Christian Mysticism VERSES New Age |
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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I see Jewish sounding name = "bad"
and Gentile sounding name = "good"
I guess I am a good-jew ! My last name is Webb !
BTW many non-Jews have "Jewish last names" !
That's not the question. The question is, whether a Jew can have an
objective view regarding the ownership of Palestinian land, or whether
dispossessing and expelling non-Jewish owners is automatically right and
good.
Quoting you...
What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out of their
Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
You based your view on their names !
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27 Oct 2003 02:54:36 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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I see Jewish sounding name = "bad"
and Gentile sounding name = "good"
I guess I am a good-jew ! My last name is Webb !
BTW many non-Jews have "Jewish last names" !
That's not the question. The question is, whether a Jew can have an
objective view regarding the ownership of Palestinian land, or whether
dispossessing and expelling non-Jewish owners is automatically right and
good.
Quoting you...
What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out of
their
Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
You based your view on their names !
What are "my views"? It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and
Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to
be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to continue
brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny this?
--
Pastor Frank
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| Title: Re: Christian Mysticism VERSES New Age |
22 Nov 2003 09:37:05 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
Quoting you...
What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out of
their
Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
You based your view on their names !
What are "my views"? It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and
Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to
be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to continue
brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny this?
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's return
to their land
--
Pastor Frank
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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23 Nov 2003 01:24:07 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
Quoting you...
What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out
of
their Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
You based your view on their names !
What are "my views"? It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and
Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew
to
be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to
continue
brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny
this?
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return
to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in order
to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
Christ championed Human Rights and even went beyond that, demanding we
LOVE our enemies and do good to those who abuse and persecute us, etc. etc.
Nowhere did Christ ever command nor condone the killing of anyone for any
reason, especially not in order to "possess his land".
We all will be judged as we judge others, and you will be judged with
those who kill and / or justify killing to possess other people's property.
See below
--
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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23 Nov 2003 09:56:44 AM |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
<snip>
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return
to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over GOD'S ?
<snip>
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23 Nov 2003 01:54:38 PM |
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<snip>
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over GOD'S ?
Most "Christian Mystics" don't believe in Holocausts either, nor do they
follow any other commandments than those given to us by Christ, our
Christian God incarnate. He told us to love our enemies, and do good to
those who despise us and spitefully abuse us. Not once did He advocate
killing our enemies, nor to covet our neighbour's land and kill him to
"possess it" and "reap where we have not sown", but we are to care about
others as you care for yourself. These commandments do NOT apply to Judaists
nor Muslims as these commandments are not part of their religion, but they
DO apply to us Christians who take Christ seriously.
Do you take Christ seriously?
--
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite
thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
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His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
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| Title: Re: Christian Mysticism VERSES New Age |
25 Nov 2003 02:38:26 PM |
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<snip>
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
Israel's
return to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe
in
holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over GOD'S ?
Most "Christian Mystics" don't believe in Holocausts either,
Wrong, Holocausts happened, and happen, mystics are not out of touch with
reality
BTW Most Christian Mystics would point you to Matt.7:13-14, arguing from the
Majority, is a *****-poor argument
nor do they follow any other commandments than those given to us by
Christ,
Nor do I
our Christian God incarnate. He told us to love our enemies, and do good
to
those who despise us and spitefully abuse us. Not once did He advocate
killing our enemies, nor to covet our neighbour's land and kill him to
"possess it" and "reap where we have not sown", but we are to care about
others as you care for yourself.
Jesus did not contradict the God within Him, He spoke in context with His
time, their "enemy" was an ALLY by treaty, made between Israel and Rome
during the Maccabean era.
Jesus was NOT teaching us to love our National enemies, He was speaking in
context with ROME
These commandments do NOT apply to Judaists
nor Muslims as these commandments are not part of their religion, but they
DO apply to us Christians who take Christ seriously.
Do you take Christ seriously?
Yes, very seriously
--
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite
thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
THINE, as in PERSONAL
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
---------------------
His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye,
tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
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26 Nov 2003 07:11:33 AM |
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<snip>
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
Israel's
return to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe
in
holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over GOD'S
?
Most "Christian Mystics" don't believe in Holocausts either,
Wrong, Holocausts happened, and happen, mystics are not out of touch with
reality
We are talking about JUSTIFYING holocausts, not that Satan will make
them happen. I.e. Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences!
for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the
offence cometh!
Are the man by whom offences come, or are your the one supporting and
encouraging him?
BTW Most Christian Mystics would point you to Matt.7:13-14, arguing from
the
Majority, is a *****-poor argument
Then why are you using the phrase "most Christian Mystics"?
nor do they follow any other commandments than those given to us by
Christ,
Nor do I
our Christian God incarnate. He told us to love our enemies, and do good
to
those who despise us and spitefully abuse us. Not once did He advocate
killing our enemies, nor to covet our neighbour's land and kill him to
"possess it" and "reap where we have not sown", but we are to care about
others as you care for yourself.
Jesus did not contradict the God within Him, He spoke in context with His
time, their "enemy" was an ALLY by treaty, made between Israel and Rome
during the Maccabean era.
Jesus was NOT teaching us to love our National enemies, He was speaking in
context with ROME
Like I said: Are you justifying the aggressor or helping the victim?
What would Jesus do?
These commandments do NOT apply to Judaists
nor Muslims as these commandments are not part of their religion, but
they
DO apply to us Christians who take Christ seriously.
Do you take Christ seriously?
Yes, very seriously
So far you have spent a lot of words justifying Human Rights abuses, but
no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to the victims of such
abuses.
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs
be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
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29 Nov 2003 05:42:32 PM |
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<snip>
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
Israel's
return to their land
Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't
believe in
holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over
GOD'S ?
You said...
Most "Christian Mystics" don't believe in Holocausts either,
Wrong, Holocausts happened, and happen, mystics are not out of touch
with
reality
We are talking about JUSTIFYING holocausts, not that Satan will make
them happen. I.e. Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of
offences!
for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the
offence cometh!
Are the man by whom offences come, or are your the one supporting and
encouraging him?
I am not encouraging the Palistinians
BTW *most* Christian Mystics would point you to Matt.7:13-14, arguing
from the
Majority, is a *****-poor argument
Then why are you using the phrase "most Christian Mystics"?
Why were you ?
<snip>
Jesus did not contradict the God within Him, He spoke in context with
His
time, their "enemy" was an ALLY by treaty, made between Israel and Rome
during the Maccabean era.
Jesus was NOT teaching us to love our National enemies, He was speaking
in
context with ROME
Like I said: Are you justifying the aggressor or helping the victim?
I haven't justified the Palistinians, and I defend the victims of their
terrorism
What would Jesus do?
Defend Israel, read the prophecies of His return, the world will be
attacking Israel, and God will step in to defend them. You are part of that
world whose tongues will melt in their mouths, unless you change your tune
These commandments do NOT apply to Judaists
nor Muslims as these commandments are not part of their religion, but
they
DO apply to us Christians who take Christ seriously.
Do you take Christ seriously?
Yes, very seriously
So far you have spent a lot of words justifying Human Rights abuses,
By WHO'S laws ? Man's of course
but no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to the victims
of such
abuses.
I know we need to send troops to end the victims of the abuse of Palistinian
terrorist on innocent Isreali civilians, agreed
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs
be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
"I will bless they who bless you, and curse they who curse you"
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30 Nov 2003 07:41:38 AM |
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You have no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to
the
victims of such unprovoked Human Riths abuses.
I know we need to send troops to end the victims of the abuse of
Palistinian
terrorist on innocent Isreali civilians, agreed
Your support for those staging holocausts, mass-murder and genocide is
noted and archived in the book of life, and WILL be used against you on
judgment day, and you will be judged precisely as you judge others,
especially "the least of them".
The first will be last, and the last first, and that may well mean, that
the Palestinians will go to heaven before you do.
You are no "Mystic" let alone a Christian one, for Mystics throughout
the ages preached love of others, none ever justified holocausts,
oppression, dispossession and other discrimination on the basis of religious
denomination, creed, race, language etc. etc.
--
Pastor Frank
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to draw
scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and
their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
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30 Nov 2003 11:24:35 PM |
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You have no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to
the
victims of such unprovoked Human Riths abuses.
I know we need to send troops to end the victims of the abuse of
Palistinian
terrorist on innocent Isreali civilians, agreed
Your support for those staging holocausts,
No, I don't, the Palestinian's terrorists are staging holocausts, Israel is
trying to stop them, just as the US is doing in its War On Terrorism
You have everything back-*****-ward
mass-murder and genocide
As accomplished by suicidal-terrorists
is noted and archived in the book of life, and WILL be used against you on
judgment day, and you will be judged precisely as you judge others,
especially "the least of them".
The "least of these" being Israeli wifes, husbands, sons, daughters who have
been blown to bits by terrorist while they had attempted to go about
innocently living their daily lives.
The PALESTINIANS are the aggressors here NOT the Israelis, who's military's
goal is to capture / kill TERRORISTS
The first will be last, and the last first, and that may well mean,
that
the Palestinians will go to heaven before you do.
You are no "Mystic" let alone a Christian one, for Mystics throughout
the ages preached love of others, none ever justified holocausts,
Do you know who the real "peace-makers" are ?
oppression, dispossession and other discrimination on the basis of
religious
denomination, creed, race, language etc. etc.
So why do YOU support terrorists ?
--
Pastor Frank
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of
at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had
been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers
726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to
draw
scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state
and
their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
crime.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:41:38 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsibfldeudtca1@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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You have no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to
the
victims of such unprovoked Human Riths abuses.
I know we need to send troops to end the victims of the abuse of
Palistinian
terrorist on innocent Isreali civilians, agreed
Your support for those staging holocausts, mass-murder and genocide is
noted and archived in the book of life, and WILL be used against you on
judgment day, and you will be judged precisely as you judge others,
especially "the least of them".
The first will be last, and the last first, and that may well mean, that
the Palestinians will go to heaven before you do.
You are no "Mystic" let alone a Christian one, for Mystics throughout
the ages preached love of others, none ever justified holocausts,
oppression, dispossession and other discrimination on the basis of religious
denomination, creed, race, language etc. etc.
So to worship a false god is OK by you. Allah does not exist.
As for the War in 1948 you seem to only read or post what proves your
view. Normal Republican thinking their. look to these links they will
educate you. This conflict is BOTH sides fault. Look at the last
link it shows the Jewish refugees which you did not mention at all and
that they outnumber the arab refugees. The 700 club never tells the
whole story either.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/1948_War.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Invade.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/invade48.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/arab_invasion.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/refugeemap.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/refugeemap.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/jewrefmap.html
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Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 13:41:38 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsibfldeudtca1@corp.supernews.com...
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:2e1ec3f00f28039e937eab8cca924ebe@news.teranews.com...
You have no words at all, that would give any comfort nor hope to
the
victims of such unprovoked Human Riths abuses.
I know we need to send troops to end the victims of the abuse of
Palistinian
terrorist on innocent Isreali civilians, agreed
Your support for those staging holocausts, mass-murder and genocide
is
noted and archived in the book of life, and WILL be used against you on
judgment day, and you will be judged precisely as you judge others,
especially "the least of them".
The first will be last, and the last first, and that may well mean,
that
the Palestinians will go to heaven before you do.
You are no "Mystic" let alone a Christian one, for Mystics throughout
the ages preached love of others, none ever justified holocausts,
oppression, dispossession and other discrimination on the basis of
religious
denomination, creed, race, language etc. etc.
So to worship a false god is OK by you. Allah does not exist.
As for the War in 1948 you seem to only read or post what proves your
view. Normal Republican thinking their. look to these links they will
educate you. This conflict is BOTH sides fault. Look at the last
link it shows the Jewish refugees which you did not mention at all and
that they outnumber the arab refugees. The 700 club never tells the
whole story either.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/1948_War.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Invade.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/invade48.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/arab_invasion.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/refugeemap.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/refugeemap.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/jewrefmap.html
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05 Dec 2003 12:01:35 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his
legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
There isn't a Palestinian who hasn't lost family members to have them
rot interminably in vast Israeli Gulags and Konzentrationslager. Similar
incidents directed at settlers in the American continent, caused the US
government to declare Natives "Varmint", and put a bounty upon their scalps.
The Jews in Israel follow a similar policy to expel natives and banish them,
like the Apartheid South African regime did, into small isolated "homelands"
in the desert, where they formed a cheap source of labour for the South
African gold and diamond mines.
Yet the South Africans found a democratic modus vivendi without driving
anyone into the sea. So could Israel. Your attitude only results into more
death, most of them Palestinians, and your blood dept / guilt increases as
you share the guilt of the colonialists who won't allow all people living in
the whole of the "promised land" to be free citizen of a democratic state of
Israel, enjoying equal rights.
It is essential for the continued existence of Israel, to accept natives
of the area comprising the "promised land" as equals, and offer them full
Israeli citizenship. Also Israel needs to compensate those Palestinians who
lost property and were made refugees. Anything less will lead to the
eventual destruction of Israel.
--
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God
is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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11 Dec 2003 06:46:20 PM |
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Israelis aren't "colonists" it is THEIR land.
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:8fc78ad8eb180c7088cdec291d0a9827@news.teranews.com...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsrsnrhg6flp3f@corp.supernews.com...
Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by
the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his
legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
There isn't a Palestinian who hasn't lost family members to have them
rot interminably in vast Israeli Gulags and Konzentrationslager. Similar
incidents directed at settlers in the American continent, caused the US
government to declare Natives "Varmint", and put a bounty upon their
scalps.
The Jews in Israel follow a similar policy to expel natives and banish
them,
like the Apartheid South African regime did, into small isolated
"homelands"
in the desert, where they formed a cheap source of labour for the South
African gold and diamond mines.
Yet the South Africans found a democratic modus vivendi without
driving
anyone into the sea. So could Israel. Your attitude only results into more
death, most of them Palestinians, and your blood dept / guilt increases as
you share the guilt of the colonialists who won't allow all people living
in
the whole of the "promised land" to be free citizen of a democratic state
of
Israel, enjoying equal rights.
It is essential for the continued existence of Israel, to accept
natives
of the area comprising the "promised land" as equals, and offer them full
Israeli citizenship. Also Israel needs to compensate those Palestinians
who
lost property and were made refugees. Anything less will lead to the
eventual destruction of Israel.
--
Pastor Frank
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God
is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
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16 Dec 2003 08:32:28 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Israelis aren't "colonists" it is THEIR land.
That's what the Germans said about Jews in their country and that's why
they killed them. Are you in favour of holocausts on the basis of ethnic or
religious discrimination?
In that case you won't mind then, if those calling themselves "Christian
Mystics" for no discernable reasons, get their turn to be persecuted and put
to death.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy
God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that
breatheth".
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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16 Dec 2003 11:05:03 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Israelis aren't "colonists" it is THEIR land.
That's what the Germans said about Jews in their country and that's
why
they killed them.
The Jews were claiming Germany was theirs ? New one !
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17 Dec 2003 05:28:25 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Israelis aren't "colonists" it is THEIR land.
That's what the Germans said about Jews in their country and that's
why they killed them.
The Jews were claiming Germany was theirs ? New one !
No, the Germans said Germany was their land and that is why they killed
Jews, Gypsies etc. who lived there. Jews regard the "promised land" their
land and that is why they killed all who lived there originally, as well as
most of those who lived there after WW2.
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages don't exist any longer, nor do the geography books which
showed them, for they have all been replaced with Israeli geography books
showing only Israeli names. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz
Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and
Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman.
There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a
former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
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17 Dec 2003 10:12:29 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Israelis aren't "colonists" it is THEIR land.
That's what the Germans said about Jews in their country and
that's
why they killed them.
The Jews were claiming Germany was theirs ? New one !
No, the Germans said Germany was their land and that is why they
killed
Jews, Gypsies etc. who lived there.
Connection ???
Now IF the Jews were CLAIMING GERMAN LAND, as the Palistinians claim Israeli
land, you would have a connection.
BUT the Jews were paying their taxes, and abiding by German rule, WITHOUT
claiming that the Germans had "stolen" their land from them, etc.
Your attempts to STRETCH THINGS aren't getting you anywhere
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05 Dec 2003 09:17:35 AM |
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:01:35 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsrsnrhg6flp3f@corp.supernews.com...
Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his
legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
There isn't a Palestinian who hasn't lost family members to have them
rot interminably in vast Israeli Gulags and Konzentrationslager. Similar
incidents directed at settlers in the American continent, caused the US
government to declare Natives "Varmint", and put a bounty upon their scalps.
The Jews in Israel follow a similar policy to expel natives and banish them,
like the Apartheid South African regime did, into small isolated "homelands"
in the desert, where they formed a cheap source of labour for the South
African gold and diamond mines.
Yet the South Africans found a democratic modus vivendi without driving
anyone into the sea. So could Israel. Your attitude only results into more
death, most of them Palestinians, and your blood dept / guilt increases as
you share the guilt of the colonialists who won't allow all people living in
the whole of the "promised land" to be free citizen of a democratic state of
Israel, enjoying equal rights.
It is essential for the continued existence of Israel, to accept natives
of the area comprising the "promised land" as equals, and offer them full
Israeli citizenship. Also Israel needs to compensate those Palestinians who
lost property and were made refugees. Anything less will lead to the
eventual destruction of Israel.
I agree al parties need to be given land back or compensated. This
includes the thousands of Jews who had land taken from them by Arab
states. Thousands of Jews were made to leave Arab countries by force
or fear they went to Israel for the most part where they were made
welcome. Palestinians that went to Arab lands were put in
concentration camps where many still live today.
Many palestinians that live in Israel proper are Citizens with full
rights. including voting rights and religious rights. How many jews
in other Arab lands have such rights?
Wrong was and is done by both sides it needs to be corrected by both
sides.
You normally are such a supporter of the Bible it does say the land
was given to the Israelis does it not. Did God revoke the Deed?
Please list verse and chapter.
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06 Dec 2003 05:32:18 AM |
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"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
news:gu71tv0e7eeasvf76k4hmkd23ur70ieghq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:01:35 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsrsnrhg6flp3f@corp.supernews.com...
Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by
the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his
legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
There isn't a Palestinian who hasn't lost family members to have them
rot interminably in vast Israeli Gulags and Konzentrationslager. Similar
incidents directed at settlers in the American continent, caused the US
government to declare Natives "Varmint", and put a bounty upon their
scalps.
The Jews in Israel follow a similar policy to expel natives and banish
them,
like the Apartheid South African regime did, into small isolated
"homelands"
in the desert, where they formed a cheap source of labour for the South
African gold and diamond mines.
Yet the South Africans found a democratic modus vivendi without
driving
anyone into the sea. So could Israel. Your attitude only results into
more
death, most of them Palestinians, and your blood dept / guilt increases
as
you share the guilt of the colonialists who won't allow all people living
in
the whole of the "promised land" to be free citizen of a democratic state
of
Israel, enjoying equal rights.
It is essential for the continued existence of Israel, to accept
natives
of the area comprising the "promised land" as equals, and offer them full
Israeli citizenship. Also Israel needs to compensate those Palestinians
who
lost property and were made refugees. Anything less will lead to the
eventual destruction of Israel.
I agree al parties need to be given land back or compensated. This
includes the thousands of Jews who had land taken from them by Arab
states. Thousands of Jews were made to leave Arab countries by force
or fear they went to Israel for the most part where they were made
welcome. Palestinians that went to Arab lands were put in
concentration camps where many still live today.
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:11:25: Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jesus in Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him: I am the way, the truth, and the
life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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06 Dec 2003 07:49:14 PM |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:32:18 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
news:gu71tv0e7eeasvf76k4hmkd23ur70ieghq@4ax.com...
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:01:35 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:vsrsnrhg6flp3f@corp.supernews.com...
Thanks for the links, being Jewish(American), my views are colored by
the
family members who I have lost in Israel, of late a fav cousin had his
legs
blown off, on his way to school, when terrorists blew up his school bus
Needless to say, I have little, or no sympathy for the Palistinians in
Israel
There isn't a Palestinian who hasn't lost family members to have them
rot interminably in vast Israeli Gulags and Konzentrationslager. Similar
incidents directed at settlers in the American continent, caused the US
government to declare Natives "Varmint", and put a bounty upon their
scalps.
The Jews in Israel follow a similar policy to expel natives and banish
them,
like the Apartheid South African regime did, into small isolated
"homelands"
in the desert, where they formed a cheap source of labour for the South
African gold and diamond mines.
Yet the South Africans found a democratic modus vivendi without
driving
anyone into the sea. So could Israel. Your attitude only results into
more
death, most of them Palestinians, and your blood dept / guilt increases
as
you share the guilt of the colonialists who won't allow all people living
in
the whole of the "promised land" to be free citizen of a democratic state
of
Israel, enjoying equal rights.
It is essential for the continued existence of Israel, to accept
natives
of the area comprising the "promised land" as equals, and offer them full
Israeli citizenship. Also Israel needs to compensate those Palestinians
who
lost property and were made refugees. Anything less will lead to the
eventual destruction of Israel.
I agree al parties need to be given land back or compensated. This
includes the thousands of Jews who had land taken from them by Arab
states. Thousands of Jews were made to leave Arab countries by force
or fear they went to Israel for the most part where they were made
welcome. Palestinians that went to Arab lands were put in
concentration camps where many still live today.
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
Then what is fair to return the land to the original owners in Israel
then where will the people forced out by the Arabs live while we wait
for them to return land Arabs stole as well. Think the best thing to
do is figure out fair value for land and pay for it. Has to be
cheaper than what this war is costing. Also when will the Arabs let
the palestinians out of the camps inside Arab borders.
Every time Israel has started pulling out and making headway toward a
peaceful settlement some Arab Terrorist group starts bombing again.
Does the fact that Arabs Stole land from jews give them the right to
bomb the Ka’bah and other Islamic sites until they get their land
back. Would you say that is OK until they get their land back also.
Fair is fair.
God gave Israel to the Jews only he can take it away.
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09 Dec 2003 04:37:00 AM |
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"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:32:18 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the
other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel
putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
Then what is fair to return the land to the original owners in Israel
then where will the people forced out by the Arabs live while we wait
for them to return land Arabs stole as well.
What did you think the word "Compensation" in my post meant?
Every time Israel has started pulling out and making headway toward a
peaceful settlement some Arab Terrorist group starts bombing again.
There will be no peace, till Israel annexes the occupied territories and
makes every inhabitant an israeli citizen with full equal rights, much like
th South Afriicans did with their segregated townships and homelands.
Does the fact that Arabs Stole land from jews give them the right to
bomb the Ka'bah and other Islamic sites until they get their land
back. Would you say that is OK until they get their land back also.
Fair is fair.
Don't start justifying colonialism and expropriation of scarce land, for
next time it could be YOUR turn for face an armed mob who wants what you
got.
God gave Israel to the Jews only he can take it away.
That is why they MUST re-unite the whole of Israel, making all residents
Israeli citizens with FULL equal rights. Apartheid is OUT, and
multiculturalism, multi-lingualism, multi-ethnicity etc. is IN, all over the
first world, or haven't you noticed?
--
Pastor Frank
**Jesus in Lk:4:18: The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of
sight to the blind.
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:37:00 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:32:18 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the
other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel
putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
Then what is fair to return the land to the original owners in Israel
then where will the people forced out by the Arabs live while we wait
for them to return land Arabs stole as well.
What did you think the word "Compensation" in my post meant?
Then we need to find the original owners and pay them.
Every time Israel has started pulling out and making headway toward a
peaceful settlement some Arab Terrorist group starts bombing again.
There will be no peace, till Israel annexes the occupied territories and
makes every inhabitant an israeli citizen with full equal rights, much like
th South Afriicans did with their segregated townships and homelands.
I agree with this but the Palestinians won't they want a State and
they want the right to do terrorism until Israel no longer exist. The
Mullahs that spread this hate in their young are the problem they need
to be silenced
Does the fact that Arabs Stole land from jews give them the right to
bomb the Ka'bah and other Islamic sites until they get their land
back. Would you say that is OK until they get their land back also.
Fair is fair.
Don't start justifying colonialism and expropriation of scarce land, for
next time it could be YOUR turn for face an armed mob who wants what you
got.
Ok So the thousands of Jews killed and their land stolen in Arab
countries around 1948 was OK with you. Think you are showing your
true colors here. You want Israel to give back and compensate but not
the Arab States that also murdered and stole land. Why would Israel
be so stupid as to agree to a 1 sided deal.
God gave Israel to the Jews only he can take it away.
That is why they MUST re-unite the whole of Israel, making all residents
Israeli citizens with FULL equal rights. Apartheid is OUT, and
multiculturalism, multi-lingualism, multi-ethnicity etc. is IN, all over the
first world, or haven't you noticed?
I have noticed but the Bible hasn't. It gave the land to the Jews no
the followers of a false god. He destroyed the caanites off the land.
I also think only 2 complete equal states will ever have peace as the
palestinians want their own state and will settle for nothing less.
Israel has treated their Arab citizens well.
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10 Dec 2003 05:53:58 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:37:00 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:32:18 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the
other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign
aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel
putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an
example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
Then what is fair to return the land to the original owners in Israel
then where will the people forced out by the Arabs live while we wait
for them to return land Arabs stole as well.
What did you think the word "Compensation" in my post meant?
Then we need to find the original owners and pay them.
You got that backwards. Anyone having a claim can file it. Just like
Germans do not "try and find" Jewish owners of property, but the owners can
apply for compensation of lost property. The same goes for Palestinians who
were forced from their homes and land, they too should be able to apply for
compensation. However from past statements made by Jewish leaders, there is
no chance as yet, that anyone will be compensated. See below:
There will be no peace, till Israel annexes the occupied territories
and
makes every inhabitant an israeli citizen with full equal rights, much
like
th South Afriicans did with their segregated townships and homelands.
I agree with this but the Palestinians won't they want a State and
they want the right to do terrorism until Israel no longer exist. The
Mullahs that spread this hate in their young are the problem they need
to be silenced
You are merely repeating Israeli propaganda slogans. Palestinians had
GREAT hopes of becoming Israeli citizen and waited for over 50 years for a
fair settlement, despite of Jewish terrorists like the Stern Gang, and whose
members are still free, had slaughtered millions of them, destroying
hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns, in a repeat performannce of the
Hebrew conquest of "the promised land" described in the OT. They committed a
massive holocaust then, slaughtering every inhabitant in order to "possess
the land" and "reap where they have not sown". Worst of all, Jews are still
proud of that performance, not at all like the Germans who are sorry,
ashamed and repentant of what they did to the Jews.
Jews may have had their orders from YHWH, but so have we Christians from
Christ. We are to care about others as we care for ourselves. Not support
and/or justify holocausts.
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of destroyed Arab villages. You do
not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist,
the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul;
Kibbbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis;
and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single
place built in this country that did not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We want
human rights respected, occupation made illegal, and the appalling
conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed
can sue for redress, instead of having to resort to suicide bombing to draw
scant attention to their plight. Any government conducting or supporting
colonialism or other human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and
their leaders and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting,
encouraging or financing civil rights abusers must be considered a hate
crime.
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10 Dec 2003 09:34:00 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:53:58 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:37:00 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:32:18 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
Absolutely right. Compensation cuts both ways, but waiting for the
other
to make the first move spells deadlock. Israel is the largest foreign
aid
recipient of the USA, at 12 Million Dollars a day. Let us see Israel
putting
some of that money into compensation for the refugees and set an
example.
This will entice Arab governments to follow suit.
Then what is fair to return the land to the original owners in Israel
then where will the people forced out by the Arabs live while we wait
for them to return land Arabs stole as well.
What did you think the word "Compensation" in my post meant?
Then we need to find the original owners and pay them.
You got that backwards. Anyone having a claim can file it. Just like
Germans do not "try and find" Jewish owners of property, but the owners can
apply for compensation of lost property. The same goes for Palestinians who
were forced from their homes and land, they too should be able to apply for
compensation. However from past statements made by Jewish leaders, there is
no chance as yet, that anyone will be compensated. See below:
I can find no evidence that the UN has such a plan in effect. I can
find that the Palestinians want to return and claim the land even in
those cases where the original owner and family no longer live,
Jews were also forced out of Land and life In 1945 there were about
140,000 Jews in Iraq; 60,000 in Yemen and Aden; 35,000 in Syria; 5,000
in Lebanon; 90,000 in Egypt; 60,000 in Libya; 150,000 in Algeria;
120,000 in Tunisia; and 300,000 in Morocco, including Tangiers. That
comes to a total of about 960,000 -- and more than 200,000 in Iran and
Turkey. There is said to be less than 5000 remaining out of approx
960,000 but that is OK they are just jews.
Do these people get to return and reclaim their lost lands or get
Paid for this land? Answer NO!!!
Also Muslims in Israel got citizenship in some Arab states all but
Jews can get citizenship. the kingdom of Jordan in its law No. 6,
sect. 3, of April 3, 1954 (reactivated in law no. 7, sect. 2, of April
1, 1963), which states that any person may become a citizen of Jordan
if he is not a Jew. Even when Jordan made peace with Israel in 1994,
this Judenrein legislation remained. Why do you not say this is bad.
There will be no peace, till Israel annexes the occupied territories
and
makes every inhabitant an israeli citizen with full equal rights, much
like
th South Afriicans did with their segregated townships and homelands.
I agree with this but the Palestinians won't they want a State and
they want the right to do terrorism until Israel no longer exist. The
Mullahs that spread this hate in their young are the problem they need
to be silenced
You are merely repeating Israeli propaganda slogans. Palestinians had
GREAT hopes of becoming Israeli citizen and waited for over 50 years for a
fair settlement, despite of Jewish terrorists like the Stern Gang, and whose
members are still free, had slaughtered millions of them, destroying
hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns, in a repeat performannce of the
Hebrew conquest of "the promised land" described in the OT. They committed a
massive holocaust then, slaughtering every inhabitant in order to "possess
the land" and "reap where they have not sown". Worst of all, Jews are still
proud of that performance, not at all like the Germans who are sorry,
ashamed and repentant of what they did to the Jews.
You need to read the Europe NG many say the camps did not happen many
say that russia freed france and western europe . I would say most
Jews are sorry for the past as well. But that doesn't make good
propaganda or media coverage. I live in a university town with many
Muslim students and 1 palestinian teacher that I know of. Some are
Israeli citizens and they must have money in order to send their
children here for a education. We have had talks and I would say
peace can only happen if both sides want it.
the kingdom of Jordan in its law No. 6, sect. 3, of April 3, 1954
(reactivated in law no. 7, sect. 2, of April 1, 1963), which states
that any person may become a citizen of Jordan if he is not a Jew.
Even when Jordan made peace with Israel in 1994, this Judenrein
legislation remained.
Jews may have had their orders from YHWH, but so have we Christians from
Christ. We are to care about others as we care for ourselves. Not support
and/or justify holocausts.
Not unless it is against homosexuals then it is OK to not rent to
them, To fire them from their jobs, To bully children in school, to
make them feel like second class citizens when our own laws say
religion can't do such a thing. But they don't won't use guns so it
is OK. Palestinians use guns. Maybe a gay person that has been fired
or evicted should strap on a bomb and find the biggest church he can
find. I hope this never happens but by your logic they have as much
rights to do so as the palestinians. I happen to think it is wrong.
Israel did wrong in the past so did the Arab countries that pushed
this conflict on. Both sides need to get over it and move on.
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15 Dec 2003 12:12:15 PM |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:53:58 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"me....." <me@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message
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Then we need to find the original owners and pay them.
You got that backwards. Anyone having a claim can file it. Just like
Germans do not "try and find" Jewish owners of property, but the owners
can
apply for compensation of lost property. The same goes for Palestinians
who
were forced from their homes and land, they too should be able to apply
for
compensation. However from past statements made by Jewish leaders, there
is
no chance as yet, that anyone will be compensated. See below:
I can find no evidence that the UN has such a plan in effect. I can
find that the Palestinians want to return and claim the land even in
those cases where the original owner and family no longer live,
The same goes for claims made by the surviving Jewish family members /
inheritors against Germany.
Jews were also forced out of Land and life In 1945 there were about
140,000 Jews in Iraq; 60,000 in Yemen and Aden; 35,000 in Syria; 5,000
in Lebanon; 90,000 in Egypt; 60,000 in Libya; 150,000 in Algeria;
120,000 in Tunisia; and 300,000 in Morocco, including Tangiers. That
comes to a total of about 960,000 -- and more than 200,000 in Iran and
Turkey. There is said to be less than 5000 remaining out of approx
960,000 but that is OK they are just Jews.
Do these people get to return and reclaim their lost lands or get
Paid for this land? Answer NO!!!
Are you saying neither Jews nor Palestinians aught to be compensated?
Since they are both Semites, are you an anti-Semite?
Also Muslims in Israel got citizenship in some Arab states all but
Jews can get citizenship. the kingdom of Jordan in its law No. 6,
sect. 3, of April 3, 1954 (reactivated in law no. 7, sect. 2, of April
1, 1963), which states that any person may become a citizen of Jordan
if he is not a Jew. Even when Jordan made peace with Israel in 1994,
this Judenrein legislation remained. Why do you not say this is bad.
That sounds like a negotiating position. Once the commitment has been
made to settle claims, all will be involved
There will be no peace, till Israel annexes the occupied
territories
and
makes every inhabitant an Israeli citizen with full equal rights, much
like
the South Africans did with their segregated townships and homelands.
I agree with this but the Palestinians won't they want a State and
they want the right to do terrorism until Israel no longer exist. The
Mullahs that spread this hate in their young are the problem they need
to be silenced
You are merely repeating Israeli propaganda slogans. Palestinians had
GREAT hopes of becoming Israeli citizen and waited for over 50 years for
a
fair settlement, despite of Jewish terrorists like the Stern Gang, and
whose
members are still free, had slaughtered millions of them, destroying
hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns, in a repeat performance of
the
Hebrew conquest of "the promised land" described in the OT. They
committed a
massive holocaust then, slaughtering every inhabitant in order to
"possess
the land" and "reap where they have not sown". Worst of all, Jews are
still
proud of that performance, not at all like the Germans who are sorry,
ashamed and repentant of what they did to the Jews.
Jews may have had their orders from YHWH, but so have we Christians
from
Christ. We are to care about others as we care for ourselves. Not support
and/or justify holocausts.
Not unless it is against homosexuals then it is OK to not rent to
them, To fire them from their jobs, To bully children in school, to
make them feel like second class citizens when our own laws say
religion can't do such a thing. But they don't won't use guns so it
is OK. Palestinians use guns. Maybe a gay person that has been fired
or evicted should strap on a bomb and find the biggest church he can
find. I hope this never happens but by your logic they have as much
rights to do so as the Palestinians. I happen to think it is wrong.
You are inventing grievances which don't exist. Nobody cares which way
you are hung and furthermore nobody wants to know. Homosexuals identifying
themselves by their sexual proclivities in-your-face and in public get the
same treatment as anyone else making an issue of their sexual proclivities.
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