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29 Jan 2008 04:15:56 PM |
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Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
On Jan 29, 1:52=C2=A0pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 8:31=C2=A0pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 7:22=C2=A0pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:39=EF=BF=BDam, wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:32=EF=BF=BDam, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:
http://members.aol.com/Lazera/archive/christianity.html
Debra
You cannot counter my arguments. =EF=BF=BDYou would rather argue aga=
inst
strawmen of your own making. =EF=BF=BDBut if you want to have a deba=
te with
me, we need objective judges. =EF=BF=BDJews cannot be objective abou=
t Jesus -
they have too much vested in being right. =EF=BF=BDIf they are wrong=
, they
could not bear the guilt and the inevitable karmic consequences to
themselves.
Why would I want to discuss your beliefs? They are all mixed together
and you have also claimed to be the Messiah...I don't argue against
strawmen...I merely posted an article... I don't want to debate with
you at all...You treat people poorly when you debate from what I have
witnessed.
Debra
I'm the only one who can defeat you in debate, that's why. =C2=A0No
Christian can penetrate the Jewish argument against Jesus, but I can.
I can defeat the Jewish argument against Jesus. =C2=A0If you don't care,=
then fine. =C2=A0I win. =C2=A0I don't have to win to know that I am righ=
t, but
if you were truly seeking the truth, you would care that I can prove
your argument to be false. =C2=A0You would care that you are lying to
yourself and to others. =C2=A0If you don't care, I don't either. =C2=A0I=
am
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All infinite wisdom is from YHWH...so whatever you possess must be a
gift from G-d.
Debra
Yes, I believe that's true. However, what I object to is the name
YHWH, or JHVH. I believe there are three names that are equally
important to a true understanding of the LORD of Israel: AHJH (Ehyeh,
I AM); JHVH; and JHVSA. Moreover, the LORD has taught me that unless
you know exactly who bears each of these names, then the first two of
them at least are names for the yetzer hara (evil impulse) of the
LORD. If you know to whom they apply, then they become neutral. Only
the final name, JHVSA, is the name of pure transcendental goodness.
Hence, the G-D of the Tanach is an evil G-D, and yet even the evil is
good in a certain sense.
As Genesis Rabbah teaches:
And God saw all that He had made, and found it very good =E2=80=A6 vehinei t=
ov
zeh yetzer hatov, vehinei tov me=E2=80=99od zeh yetzer hara =E2=80=93 "good"=
refers to
the Good Inclination but "very good" refers to the Evil Inclination.
Why? Because were it not for the Yetzer ha-Ra no one would build a
house, take a wife, give birth, or engage in commerce.
So, it is very important to understand that JHVH throughout the Torah
and Tanach is essentially evil. If you call the evil good, you will
never know the good, which is what happened when Jehoshua Moshiach
appeared to the Jewish nation, or what was left of it. The Jews at
that time chose the evil they knew over the good they did not know.
Christians, on the other hand, think they can start with the spiritual
state of pure goodness. This is, for the most part, impossible, and
so they become very great hypocrites, even greater than the Pharisees
and Sadducees at the time of Jehoshua. A Christianity that is not
rooted in Judaism just ignores the whole style of crazy wisdom that is
inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
29 Jan 2008 05:04:39 PM |
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Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? When did He teach you? What were you doing/
studying at the time? What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. Is this true? Or can you point to something inside of the
Bible that supports your claim. (i.e. saying that when the Bible says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
29 Jan 2008 07:59:51 PM |
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On Jan 29, 3:04=A0pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? =A0When did He teach you? =A0What were you doing/
studying at the time? =A0What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. =A0Is this true? =A0Or can you point to something inside of the
Bible that supports your claim. =A0(i.e. saying that when the Bible says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).
THINK. If you can't do that, I can't help you. Yes, I do have a
special dispensation. I am empowered as a prophet. Yes, I see what
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
29 Jan 2008 08:29:48 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:04 pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? When did He teach you? What were you doing/
studying at the time? What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. Is this true? Or can you point to something inside of the
Bible that supports your claim. (i.e. saying that when the Bible says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).
THINK. If you can't do that, I can't help you. Yes, I do have a
special dispensation. I am empowered as a prophet. Yes, I see what
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
res ipsa loquitur
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| User: "Debra" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 05:29:23 PM |
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On Jan 29, 6:29=EF=BF=BDpm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:04 pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? =EF=BF=BDWhen did He teach you? =EF=BF=BDWhat wer=
e you doing/
studying at the time? =EF=BF=BDWhat was your understanding before He ta=
ught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. =EF=BF=BDIs this true? =EF=BF=BDOr can you point to something in=
side of the
Bible that supports your claim. =EF=BF=BD(i.e. saying that when the Bib=
le says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).=
THINK. =EF=BF=BDIf you can't do that, I can't help you. =EF=BF=BDYes, I =
do have a
special dispensation. =EF=BF=BDI am empowered as a prophet. =EF=BF=BDYes=
, I see what
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
res ipsa loquitur- Hide quoted text -
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res ipsa loquitur-
Please translate.
Debra
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 05:56:53 PM |
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Debra wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:29�pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:04 pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? �When did He teach you? �What were you doing/
studying at the time? �What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. �Is this true? �Or can you point to something inside of the
Bible that supports your claim. �(i.e. saying that when the Bible says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).
THINK. �If you can't do that, I can't help you. �Yes, I do have a
special dispensation. �I am empowered as a prophet. �Yes, I see what
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
res ipsa loquitur- Hide quoted text -
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res ipsa loquitur-
Please translate.
Debra
The matter speaks for itself. That is, pj's own words show him for the
ignorant megalomaniac that he is.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 09:27:53 AM |
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On Jan 29, 8:59 pm, wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:04 pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? When did He teach you? What were you doing/
studying at the time? What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. Is this true? Or can you point to something inside of the
Bible that supports your claim. (i.e. saying that when the Bible says
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another).
THINK. If you can't do that, I can't help you. Yes, I do have a
special dispensation. I am empowered as a prophet. Yes, I see what
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
What sign do you provide to prove your "unique" divine dispensation
(especially since it is different then the Holy texts)? Also please
give more details as to how/when you received your special
dispensation.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 11:19:52 AM |
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On Jan 30, 7:27=A0am, wrote:
On Jan 29, 8:59 pm, wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:04 pm, wrote:
Please add more details per the following: "Moreover, the LORD has
taught me ".
How did He teach you? =A0When did He teach you? =A0What were you doing=
/
studying at the time? =A0What was your understanding before He taught
you?
It appears your are making a claim for extra-Biblical (or extra-Torah)=
knowledge - that is your source is something other then the Holy
texts. =A0Is this true? =A0Or can you point to something inside of the=
Bible that supports your claim. =A0(i.e. saying that when the Bible sa=
ys
"good" it means "evil" is one thing, supporting that claim is another)=
..
THINK. =A0If you can't do that, I can't help you. =A0Yes, I do have a
special dispensation. =A0I am empowered as a prophet. =A0Yes, I see what=
Jehoshua Moshiach Himself sees, because I have been taught by Him and
by His Father, ABBA or BABAJI.
What sign do you provide to prove your "unique" divine dispensation
(especially since it is different then the Holy texts)? =A0Also please
give more details as to how/when you received your special
dispensation.
The sign is that I explain the real meaning of the Jewish religion,
what the names of G-D mean, why JHVH is not the true name of the LORD,
why JHVH is so evil througout the Torah, etc. In other words, I stand
up to the schoolyard BULLY and all the schoolyard bullies and
fearlessly speak the truth in order to set all humans free from lies
and tyranny. If you are like me, you want to know the truth about the
Jewish religion, since it is a very great enigma. For the first time
in the history of mankind, a whole nation had contact with a
transcendental being. One cannot understand Christianity except in
relation to Judaism. Jesus did not come to die on the cross, but to
be the Jewish Messiah. However, the free will of the Jews was also
being tested, and they failed their part of the test. Hence Jesus was
never put to the test to find out if He was indeed the Jewish
Messiah. In retrospect, Jews yap and yap about why Jesus wasn't the
Messiah, but their choice to kill Him is not taken into account. It
is that choice that precluded us ever knowing whether Jesus was the
Jewish Messiah. That choice was the most significant existential act
in the history of mankind and the most disastrous. If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my rap. If not, so long
- at least I tried.
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| User: "cindys" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 02:45:15 PM |
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<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f6684a08-570f-45e8-b3fb-ebf8c6ce7571@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my crap.
-----
We stopped listening to your crap after your first incoherent post.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 03:10:31 PM |
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On Jan 30, 12:45=A0pm, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f6684a08-570f-45e8-b3fb-ebf8c6ce7571@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my crap.
-----
We stopped listening to your crap after your first incoherent post.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
You stopped listening to the LORD long before that. Your complete
ignorance of the Jewish religion testifies to that.
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| User: "cactus" |
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30 Jan 2008 04:38:30 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 12:45 pm, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f6684a08-570f-45e8-b3fb-ebf8c6ce7571@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my crap.
-----
We stopped listening to your crap after your first incoherent post.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
You stopped listening to the LORD long before that. Your complete
ignorance of the Jewish religion testifies to that.
I wouldn't talk about that if I were you, you ignorant shegits.
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| User: "Debra" |
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30 Jan 2008 05:31:52 PM |
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On Jan 30, 2:38=EF=BF=BDpm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 12:45 pm, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f6684a08-570f-45e8-b3fb-ebf8c6ce7571@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com..=
..
If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my crap.
-----
We stopped listening to your crap after your first incoherent post.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
You stopped listening to the LORD long before that. =EF=BF=BDYour comple=
te
ignorance of the Jewish religion testifies to that.
I wouldn't talk about that if I were you, you ignorant shegits.
shegits.
Again...can you translate?
Debra
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| User: "cactus" |
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30 Jan 2008 06:01:54 PM |
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Debra wrote:
On Jan 30, 2:38�pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 12:45 pm, "cindys" <cste...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
<pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f6684a08-570f-45e8-b3fb-ebf8c6ce7571@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
If this sounds
like truth to you, then listen to the rest of my crap.
-----
We stopped listening to your crap after your first incoherent post.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
You stopped listening to the LORD long before that. �Your complete
ignorance of the Jewish religion testifies to that.
I wouldn't talk about that if I were you, you ignorant shegits.
shegits.
Again...can you translate?
Debra
A male non-Jew. It has derogatory overtones, including ignorant and
arrogant. Not generally used in polite society.
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| User: "" |
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30 Jan 2008 06:26:49 PM |
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On Jan 30, 4:01=A0pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
A male non-Jew. It has derogatory overtones, including ignorant and
arrogant. Not generally used in polite society.
It can also mean one born Jewish, who knows nothing of the Jewish
religion. I say it refers to CactusCunt himself, who never makes any
positive statement about the Jewish religion, but spends all his time
making ad hominem attacks on me. Why? Is he obsessed. I offered to
let him blow me, if that's his problem.
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| User: "cactus" |
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30 Jan 2008 07:01:24 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
A male non-Jew. It has derogatory overtones, including ignorant and
arrogant. Not generally used in polite society.
It can also mean one born Jewish, who knows nothing of the Jewish
religion. I say it refers to CactusCunt himself, who never makes any
positive statement about the Jewish religion, but spends all his time
making ad hominem attacks on me. Why? Is he obsessed. I offered to
let him blow me, if that's his problem.
I subscribe to the definition I posted, although I am happy to add
ignorance of Judaism to it. So in your case, shegits means a non-Jew
who is ignorant of Judaism.
I have explained things in response to some of your questions, but all
you snip my response and say "blah blah blah." Clearly you won't read
anything of substance that I post for you, so why bother?
And if you don't like being an ignorant non-Jew, go fix it the proper
way. But I don't think you are capable of doing so, any more than you
are capable of engaging in rational debate. You just post some
cockamamie theory and then insult anyone who tries to discuss it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
30 Jan 2008 10:52:51 PM |
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On Jan 30, 5:01=A0pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
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| User: "cactus" |
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30 Jan 2008 11:54:03 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothing
precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
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31 Jan 2008 12:02:05 AM |
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On Jan 30, 9:54=A0pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. =A0Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. =A0Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. =A0They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+=AD++++++++++++++++++++
=A0 =A0 1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by=
time is His existence;
=A0 =A0 2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutabl=
e
and infinite is His Oneness;
=A0 =A0 3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His=
holiness any comparison;
=A0 =A0 4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothi=
ng
precedes His precedence;
=A0 =A0 5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
=A0 =A0 6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid pe=
ople;
=A0 =A0 7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceive=
d
His vision clearly;
=A0 =A0 8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,=
the most trusted of His household;
=A0 =A0 9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
=A0 =A010. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives =
a
matter's outcome at its inception;
=A0 =A011. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
=A0 =A012. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
=A0 =A013. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
+=AD++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 12:44:32 AM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:54 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothing
precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
All you said was
Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
I did exactly that, and you complained that it was "not my knowledge."
What's your problem? No matter what I posted there you would complain.
Remember, you raised some questions about the mitzvot, and I answered
them? I grouped them in ways that showed their basic unity. I took some
time to extract them in a way that I haven't seen before. And all you
did was snip it all and type "blah blah blah."
That shows your bad faith and manipulative behavior. I worked summers
in a psychiatric hospital while in college, and the first thing I
learned there was not to respond to manipulative behavior. You fooled
me once, but won't do it again. I have no reason to trust you, and
won't make that mistake again.
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 07:09:12 AM |
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On Jan 30, 10:44=A0pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. =A0Tell me one thing that you
know. =A0Some value added. =A0You know nothing. =A0You are not a Jew. =
=A0QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. =A0I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****. You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 11:10:12 AM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. You just can't deal with it, just as you
can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 11:56:15 AM |
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On Jan 31, 9:10=A0am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. =A0Tell me one thing that yo=
u
know. =A0Some value added. =A0You know nothing. =A0You are not a Jew. =
=A0QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. =A0I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. =A0You just can't deal with it, just as you
can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. =A0You are a
slithering snake in the grass. =A0Hssss. =A0Hssss. =A0Here comes
CactusCunt. =A0All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true=
Saint (me). =A0Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. =A0Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
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Blow me.
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 01:29:30 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:10 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. You just can't deal with it, just as you
can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
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Blow me.
One of the many ways you discredit yourself is to use schoolyard insults
when you can't respond. You can't respond because you know I'm right
even if you can't admit it.
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:30:12 PM |
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cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:10 am, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. You just can't deal with it, just as you
can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
Blow me.
One of the many ways you discredit yourself is to use schoolyard insults
when you can't respond. You can't respond because you know I'm right
even if you can't admit it.
Who cares?
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~Oxtail
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:28:49 PM |
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cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. You just can't deal with it, just as you
can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
After you.
--
~Oxtail
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 05:14:59 PM |
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oxtail wrote:
cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****.
I'm telling you the truth pj. You just can't deal with it, just as
you can't deal with anything outside your little hallucinatory mental
space.
You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
Res ipsa loquitur. Get psychiatric help voluntarily while you can.
After you.
I wasn't talking to you.
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:27:03 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:44 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
You lying sack of *****. You have nothing original to say that you can
stand by, not just to me, but to this entire newsgroup. You are a
slithering snake in the grass. Hssss. Hssss. Here comes
CactusCunt. All he is good for is making ad hominem attacks on a true
Saint (me). Get thee hence to Gehenna, snake!
How about you?
--
~Oxtail
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:23:45 PM |
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cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:54 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothing
precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid
people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
Give me a fucking break. I'm not going to make something up for you to
make snide remarks about. I don't trust you or your motives.
All you said was
Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
I did exactly that, and you complained that it was "not my knowledge."
What's your problem? No matter what I posted there you would complain.
Remember, you raised some questions about the mitzvot, and I answered
them? I grouped them in ways that showed their basic unity. I took some
time to extract them in a way that I haven't seen before. And all you
did was snip it all and type "blah blah blah."
That shows your bad faith and manipulative behavior. I worked summers
in a psychiatric hospital while in college, and the first thing I
learned there was not to respond to manipulative behavior. You fooled
me once, but won't do it again. I have no reason to trust you, and
won't make that mistake again.
Sigh!
--
~Oxtail
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:21:28 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:54 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothing
precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
That's not your knowledge, you dumb *****. Tell me one thing that you
know. Some value added. You know nothing. You are not a Jew. QED.
To whom?
--
~Oxtail
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| User: "oxtail" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 04:20:16 PM |
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cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and nothing
precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one, for
all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He places
evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
Whose god are you talking about?
--
~Oxtail
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: Christianity and Judaism...Questions Answered |
31 Jan 2008 05:09:55 PM |
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oxtail wrote:
cactus wrote:
pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 5:01 pm, cactus <cac...@nonespam.com> wrote:
lies.
OK, Cactus, prove me wrong. Tell me one really important thing that
you know about the Jewish religion. Keep it positive and don't turn
it into an ad hominem attack on me or anyone else or you lose by
default.
Here are Maimonides 13 principles of Jewish faith. They are
recapitulated in the piyyut (hymn) "Yigdal."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1. Exalted be the Living God and praised, He exists - unbounded by
time is His existence;
2. He is One - and there is no unity like His Oneness - Inscrutable
and infinite is His Oneness;
3. He has no semblance of a body nor is He corporeal - nor has His
holiness any comparison;
4. He preceded every being that was created - the First, and
nothing precedes His precedence;
5. Behold! He is Master of the universe to every creature - He
demonstrates His greatness and His sovereignty;
6. He granted His flow of prophecy - to His treasured, splendid
people;
7. In Israel, none like Moses arose again - a prophet who perceived
His vision clearly;
8. God gave His people a Torah of truth - by means of His prophet,
the most trusted of His household;
9. God will never amend nor exchange His law - for any other one,
for all eternity;
10. He scrutinizes and knows our hiddenmost secrets - He perceives a
matter's outcome at its inception;
11. He recompenses man with kindness according to his deed - He
places evil on the wicked according to his wickedness;
12. By the End of Days He will send our Messiah - to redeem those
longing for His final salvation;
13. God will revive the dead in His abundant kindness - Blessed
forever is His praised Name.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There you are. More than one, but all are part of the whole.
Whose god are you talking about?
I was asked about Judaism. This is a piyyut that summarizes the
principles of Judaism. That's all.
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