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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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31 Dec 2007 02:25:22 PM |
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Re: Christianity is intolerant, period. |
"Khendon" <Khendon@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:24:58 -0800, wrote:
REPLY: I would not want to follow a God that thought sexual immorality
and perversion was permissable
Is that the one that started our species off with incest? Or the one that
allowed David to have hundreds of sex slaves? Or the one that wasn't
bothered by Lot offering his daughters up for gang rape to protect a
couple of random strangers?
Not only that, but, after offering them up to gang rape, then takes and
commits incest with those very same daughters...
the christian god LOVES virgin *****
Numbers 31
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to
meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the
army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned
from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the
Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague
struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who
has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man.
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31 Dec 2007 02:31:25 PM |
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the christian god LOVES virgin *****
Numbers 31
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to
meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the
army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned
from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the
Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague
struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who
has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man.
Thank you, my brother for proving that Xianity is a false religion.
Now, let us embrace the true God, ALLAH and may peace be upon his
messenger, Mohammed.
Allah akbar.
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| User: "Carl" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:00:04 PM |
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"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
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Thank you, my brother for proving that Xianity is a false religion.
Now, let us embrace the true God, ALLAH and may peace be upon his
messenger, Mohammed.
Allah akbar.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding; for man is distinguished from the
brutes, not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a
fool. (NIV)
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful. (NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly. (NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of
fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.
(NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than
both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle,
you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
It's interesting that those God calls fools and liars are not intelligent
enough to figure out why I don't respond with anything other than scripture
with them. God was right about them when He said that "although they claimed
to be wise, they became fools."
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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01 Jan 2008 02:13:07 PM |
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carl, why don't you have any OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE of your
***** god?
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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31 Dec 2007 03:05:47 PM |
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"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
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the christian god LOVES virgin *****
Numbers 31
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went
to
meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the
army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned
from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They
were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the
Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague
struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman
who
has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man.
Thank you, my brother for proving that Xianity is a false religion.
Now, let us embrace the true God, ALLAH and may peace be upon his
messenger, Mohammed.
Allah akbar.
mohammed is just as bad as the christian god
the christian nuts think their sky pixie is the one true sky pixie
the muslim scum think their sky pixie is the one true sky pixie
the insert name of buillshit religion here think their sky pixie is the one
true sky pixie
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| User: "Carl" |
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31 Dec 2007 11:08:34 PM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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the christian nuts think their sky pixie is the one true sky pixie
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding; for man is distinguished from the
brutes, not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a
fool. (NIV)
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful. (NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly. (NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of
fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.
(NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than
both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle,
you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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01 Jan 2008 11:22:18 AM |
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MORE CHRISTIAN HORSESHIT, huh carl?
hey carl, are you going to provide any OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVDIENCE for
your HORSESHIT claims, or are you going to spout the usual bible babble
HOPRSESHIT?
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| User: "Carl" |
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01 Jan 2008 01:04:43 PM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
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MORE CHRISTIAN HORSESHIT, huh carl?
hey carl, are you going to provide any OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVDIENCE for
your HORSESHIT claims, or are you going to spout the usual bible babble
HOPRSESHIT?
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding; for man is distinguished from the
brutes, not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a
fool. (NIV)
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful. (NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly. (NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of
fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.
(NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than
both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle,
you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
It's interesting that those God calls fools and liars are not intelligent
enough to figure out why I don't respond with anything other than scripture
with them. God was right about them when He said that "although they claimed
to be wise, they became fools."
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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02 Jan 2008 12:03:10 AM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:13nktmd1ieq57b1@corp.supernews.com...
MORE CHRISTIAN HORSESHIT, huh carl?
hey carl, are you going to provide any OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVDIENCE
for your HORSESHIT claims, or are you going to spout the usual bible
babble HOPRSESHIT?
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding; for man is distinguished from the
brutes, not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge;
those may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from
Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is
a fool. (NIV)
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful.
(NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly.
(NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly
of fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool
gushes folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier
than both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a
pestle, you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
It's interesting that those God calls fools and liars are not intelligent
enough to figure out why I don't respond with anything other than
scripture with them. God was right about them when He said that "although
they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
Oh, now I see. Your God is a book!
Don't you know that its forbidden to worship objects/idols?
The reason you don't respond with anything other than scripture is because
without your book (which was compiled and edited by the Roman government)
you have no answers. Without that book you can't think any more.
The truth is that Christians are too scared to think because they've bought
into the Roman government's lie that God hates independent thinking people
(its governments themselves that hate independent thinking people for your
information. That is established fact).
Ask yourself this Carl. Why would God give his creations a fantastic brain
and then forbid them from using it?
Think.
Search for the truth (and the true God) instead of worshipping a mass
produced book. I dare you.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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01 Jan 2008 02:12:05 PM |
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It's interesting that those God calls fools and liars are not intelligent
enough to figure out why I don't respond with anything other than
scripture with them. God was right about them when He said that "although
they claimed to be wise, they became fools."
that's because you have NO OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE evidence carl, just the
superstitious ramblings of some ancient cave dwellers and goat fuckers
hasn't your ALL-POWERFUL JACKASS god given you anything NEW to say?
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| User: "rogue" |
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01 Jan 2008 03:31:19 AM |
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On Jan 1, 9:08 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:13nimdf5n52eo93@corp.supernews.com...
the christian nuts think their sky pixie is the one true sky pixie
CARL
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
JERRY
Then you can count on going straight to hell, Carl, for lying about
needing to believe in the Trinity to be saved when the Bible says no
such thing.
CARL
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
JERRY
Yep, we obviously don't have a clue, do we, Carl? I mean, it's
obvious we're not smart like you and claim that you have to believe
in
the Trinity to be saved, despite the fact that there isn't a single
verse in the bible that supports that claim.
And actually, you don't have to prove or disprove the existence of
God. The burden of proof of God's existence is on the theist anyway,
since they are claiming the supernatural.
What CAN be proven is the factual accuracy of the bible. If the
bible
fails to be historically accurate, it's very likely the bible isn't
true, correct? At least, on history it's not true if you can prove
it's not historically accurate.
And if the bible claims prophecies that obviously could be proven to
have not happened, then the bible would fail on prophecy, correct? I
mean, that's another obvious given.
Finally, if you can show that the different books of the bible
contradict each other when discussing the same event, that would be
pretty accurate that the bible is contradictory, correct?
Now, if the bible fails to be historically accurate, fails on
prophecy
and contradicts itself, that would also be a good indicator that
either the God of the bible didn't exist, or that he lacks the power
to protect his word, or that he doesn't really give a rat's ***** about
mankind at all, would that be a correct conclusion, Carl?
We already know from 1 Samuel 15 that the bible contradicts itself in
the same chapter, where we both see that God "repents" making Saul
king and later in the same chapter says that God never repents.
We also know from 1 Samuel 15 that God isn't omniscient, since he
repents making Saul king, and if he were really omniscient to the
level claimed, that he sees all, past, present and future and that he
knows the falling of the sparrow, he would have already known when he
made Saul king that Saul would disobey him later, therefore why
repent
when he already knew it would happen when he appointed Saul?
We know from the failure of the destruction of the island city of
Tyre
that the prophecy about the destruction of Tyre failed because the
description of the coming devastation doesn't match up to what
happened (Like, Nebs failed to take the city at all, and three
chapters later even Ezekiel admits that Nebs failed and the prophecy
didn't happen)
And, we know from the four gospel accounts of the Resurrection
Morning
that the writers couldn't even get their stories straight a little
bit
(who first saw the risen Jesus? Mary in three of the accounts and
Not
Mary in the fourth - do your own research Carl. I have.).
So, those facts about the bible, from the text, indicates that the
bible isn't true. Therefore, either the god of the bible doesn't
exist, or he doesn't have the power to protect his word (or,
considering Tyre, to make his prophecies come true) or the book is
just mankind dithering about gods or godlike beings that don't really
care about mankind at all, if they even existed. Of course, they
*could* have been aliens from other worlds. That's just as likely as
the claim that they were gods, right Carl? ;-)
And, all of this is available to any person who bothers to read the
bible instead of reading the writings of other believers and
accepting
their stories hook, line and sinker, then copying and pasting them
into newsgroups to share the ignorance, right Carl?
So, the bible says that those who say "there is no god" are fools,
but
that's the same bible that can be *proven* NOT to be the word of any
God, Carl. Therefore, since its just the rantings of incompetent,
superstitious shepherds from 2000 years ago, who cares what they say,
right Carl? ;-)
CARL
All of those so-called contradictions have long since been explained.
Mostly it's due to lack of scriptural understanding or willful ignorance.
JERRY
On who's part? The apologetics I have read indicate that it's the
theist who is making up simplistic explanations that don't fit the
situation (Like McDowall's claims about Tyre, for example). I can
easily shred the explanations of nearly all the apologists I have read
(including the CARM site that Bible John was so enamored with and JP
Holding's (AKA Robert Turkel, who is not a scholar but a prison
librarian and who fancies himself the Rush Limbaugh of the Apologetic
set).
In fact, with very little research on the web you can see where
Farrell Till destroys Turkel in a debate on Yahweh's Failed Land
Promise.
CARL
I suggest Christians read the following books which have
answered all of those false contradictions and more:
Hard Sayings of the Bible by Walter C. Kaiser (Editor), Peter H.
Davids (Contributor), F. F. Bruce (Contributor)
Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties by Gleason Archer
JERRY
I don't really have access to books here in Afghanistan, but I've read
some of Gleason Archer's work several years ago and was less than
impressed with him.
Those two are excellent.
Others worth reading and studying:
Difficulties in the Bible by R. A. Torrey
1001 Bible Questions Answered by William L. Pettingill, R. A. Torrey
The Complete Book of Bible Answers by Ron Rhodes
When Critics Ask by Norman Geisler
Exegetical Fallacies by D. A. Carson
Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible by John W. Haley
JERRY
I saw the video clips of Farrell Till trashing Geisler and I have to
say, he's less than impressive as well.
Also some websites that answer many of them and addresses why critics
and skeptics keep bringing the same old tired ones up again even
though they've been answered:
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm
JERRY
This one only goes to Deuteronomy. Not helpful in the 1 Samuel 15
contradiction. And I have to say, your use of the CARM site, which I
analyzed for Bible John, really doesn't help you much. The man is
intellectually dishonest with his writings and easily refuted. Here
is a quick example of what he writes regarding the contradictory
Creation accounts in Genesis 1 & 2:
" * Genesis 1
- Day one - heavens and earth are created. "Let there be
light." Day and Night.
- Day two - Atmospheric waters separated from earth waters.
- Day three - Land appears separating the seas. Vegetation is
made.
- Day four - Sun, moon, stars are made.
- Day five - Sea life and birds are made.
- Day six - Land animals, creeping things, and man (male and
female) are made.
* Genesis 2
States heaven and earth were created. no plant yet on earth, no
rain yet, no man. but, a mist rose watering the surface of the
ground. Then the Lord formed man from dust of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life. Then God made Eve.
There is no contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2. Genesis 1 is
a detailed explanation of the six days of creation, day by day.
Genesis two is a recap and a more detailed explanation of the sixth
day, the day that Adam and Eve were made. The recap is stated in Gen.
2:4, "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Then,
Moses goes on to detail the creation of Adam and Eve as is seen in
verses 7 thru 24 of Gen. 2. Proof that it is not a creative account
is found in the fact that animals aren't even mentioned until after
the creation of Adam. Why? Probably because their purpose was
designated by Adam. They didn't need to be mentioned until after Adam
was created."
JERRY
What Glenn didn't notice or was intellectually dishonest enough to
intentionally leave out, is that the contradiction is on the *order*
of
creation. In Genesis 1, we see that the whales and all the creatures
of the seas were created on the 5th day, as well as all of the fowl of
the air. Man was created later, on the sixth day.
In Genesis 2, Man was created and THEN all the beasts of the field and
the fowl of the air. Problem was, we saw in the first chapter that
all the fowl of the air were already created BEFORE man was created.
In fact, Glenn's statement: "Proof that it is not a creative account
is found in the fact that animals aren't even mentioned until after
the creation of Adam. Why? Probably because their purpose was
designated by Adam. They didn't need to be mentioned until after Adam
was created."
If they didn't need to be mentioned until after After was created, why
were they mentioned first in the first chapter? Glenn's statement is
actually supportive of the theory that chapter 1 and chapter 2 were
written by two different authors and put together after the fact,
though I'm sure he didn't intend it that way.
CARL
http://www.carm.org/diff/Bible_contradictions.htm
This one doesn't address anything in particular but has this
interesting statement:
"The Originals are Inspired, not the copies."
How does he know? There ARE no originals. Only copies of copies of
copies and the copies show us that the bible has changed over the
years. We can also tell by studying the bible, Carl, that the bible
contains contradictions (showing it's neither reflective of God's
perfection, nor is it protected by God), that it's historically
inaccurate and that it contains failed prophecies.
CARL
http://www.tektonics.org/
JERRY
Turkel, as I mentioned earlier, is a joke. He fancies himself like
Limbaugh and spends his time in a debate attacking and making fun of
his opponent and not addressing the points made. Instead he will
throw out a statement that he can't support and go on with the
attacks. It's the reason he does so little debating, as a
knowledgeable opponent shows that he's unable to address the issues
under debate. He prefers a closed studio, much like his hero, and
wants to screen calls. He "debates" someone by taking their published
work, making fun of it and not giving a chance to the author to rebut
what Turkel has stated. Only the non-discerning reader takes him
seriously. (watching Till kick his ***** around the internet, and
Turkel's growing sputters of outrage were priceless.)
CARL
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
Doesn't address contradictions/failed prophecies/historical
inaccuracies of the bible except in a very general "the bible is
always right" manner.
In fact, there are a number of better apologetics sites out there.
Heck, even Turkel's very poor attempts are better than christian-
thinktank.
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01 Jan 2008 11:35:04 PM |
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"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:xkcej.50390$DP1.16430@pd7urf2no...
the christian god LOVES virgin *****
Numbers 31
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went
to
meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the
army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned
from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They
were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the
Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague
struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman
who
has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man.
Thank you, my brother for proving that Xianity is a false religion.
Now, let us embrace the true God, ALLAH and may peace be upon his
messenger, Mohammed.
Oh frig. Out of the frypan and into the fire.
Question.
Why do Muslims feel the need to grant peace to God's messenger Mohammed
every time you mention him?
Is he expected to have a very long rough afterlife?
Allah akbar.
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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02 Jan 2008 03:16:20 AM |
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In article <477b228a$0$26204$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:
"Tavington" <tavington@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
news:xkcej.50390$DP1.16430@pd7urf2no...
the christian god LOVES virgin *****
Numbers 31
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went
to
meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the
army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned
from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They
were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the
Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague
struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman
who
has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never
slept with a man.
Thank you, my brother for proving that Xianity is a false religion.
Now, let us embrace the true God, ALLAH and may peace be upon his
messenger, Mohammed.
Oh frig. Out of the frypan and into the fire.
Question.
Why do Muslims feel the need to grant peace to God's messenger Mohammed
every time you mention him?...
• good question. I've been wondering about that.
Cheers, Andrew.
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R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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