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"James" |
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23 Jan 2008 01:25:39 PM |
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Re: Christmas |
"IlBeBauck
@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com>
Re: Christmas
On Dec 20, 1:53 pm, apobetics <apobet...@gmail.com> wrote:
Christmas
Christmas is a wonderful time of the year for the Christian. It is a
time to set aside the cares and woes of this old sin wracked world and
enjoy celebrating our Savior's advent. The word "Christmas" in the
Latin is "Anointed man" or "God man". The world did not know who He
was, however, we who are His know exactly who He was and is- Emmanuel-
God with us (Matt 1:23). He came to save His creation and purchase
back that which was lost to sin resulting in the earth and man being
cursed with death, disease, sorrow and pain. These horrible things
are not from God's hand but from our own disobedience through Satan's
temptation.
One day soon He will return and create a new heaven and earth where we
who are His, bought by His sinless blood, will dwell together with Him
and all believers for eternity. So when you see that nativity scene
that Satan wants to do away with, remember why He came and that He is
coming again.
Merry Christmas Christian.
6/24/6000
REPLY: Merry Christmas Brother . Im glad I can celebrate the Creator
coming to his Creation and only wish everyone could too. Its an
eternal crime to purposely shun the Creator or to casually disregard
him.
Hello,
Yet, Jesus never said he was the "Creator" etc, rather "God's son".
(Joh 10:36)
Yes, Jesus never said anything like 'I am the Father', or 'I am God',
or 'I am Jehovah' etc. And the Bible clearly shows that God and Jesus
are not the same person. Yes, they were one in thought and purpose etc
(Joh 10:30), but not in substance. (in body) For example, the Bible
says that God always existed. But that Jesus (before he came to earth
as a human) was a creation of God. Here are the Scriptural facts:
God always existed- Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Jesus was created by God- Col 1:15,
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."
(NASB)
And just one more point, the Bible clearly says at Ex 33:20 that no
human may see God and survive it. Obviously the Creator of all those
suns out there is too much for the human body to handle. But humans
did see Jesus and survive. Thus just as the Bible tells us, Jesus is
not Almighty God.
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
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| User: "Jim Carew" |
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| Title: Re: Christmas |
23 Jan 2008 09:46:20 PM |
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JMJ
From: "JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net>
Re: Christmas
Christmas is a wonderful time of the year for the Christian. It is a
time to set aside the cares and woes of this old sin wracked world and
enjoy celebrating our Savior's advent. The word "Christmas" in the
Latin is "Anointed man" or "God man".
snip<
The name Christmas comes from the Anglo Saxon, Christ's Mass
in Old English the Mass of Christ.
Jim Carew sfo
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: Christmas |
23 Jan 2008 09:42:41 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:25:39 -0500, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
"IlBeBauck
@gmail.com" <IlBeBauck@gmail.com>
Re: Christmas
On Dec 20, 1:53 pm, apobetics <apobet...@gmail.com> wrote:
Christmas
Christmas is a wonderful time of the year for the Christian. It is a
time to set aside the cares and woes of this old sin wracked world and
enjoy celebrating our Savior's advent. The word "Christmas" in the
Latin is "Anointed man" or "God man". The world did not know who He
was, however, we who are His know exactly who He was and is- Emmanuel-
God with us (Matt 1:23). He came to save His creation and purchase
back that which was lost to sin resulting in the earth and man being
cursed with death, disease, sorrow and pain. These horrible things
are not from God's hand but from our own disobedience through Satan's
temptation.
One day soon He will return and create a new heaven and earth where we
who are His, bought by His sinless blood, will dwell together with Him
and all believers for eternity. So when you see that nativity scene
that Satan wants to do away with, remember why He came and that He is
coming again.
Merry Christmas Christian.
6/24/6000
REPLY: Merry Christmas Brother . Im glad I can celebrate the Creator
coming to his Creation and only wish everyone could too. Its an
eternal crime to purposely shun the Creator or to casually disregard
him.
Hello,
Yet, Jesus never said he was the "Creator" etc, rather "God's son".
(Joh 10:36)
John called Jesus the Creator. John 1.
Peter acknowledged Him as God the Son.
Upon seeing His scars, Thomas acknowledged Him as "My Lord and my
God."
Since Jew and Christian only acknowledge ONE Deity, if Jesus is /
was the God Thomas acknowledged, then He is Yhwh in flesh.
Yes, Jesus never said anything like 'I am the Father', or 'I am God',
or 'I am Jehovah' etc.
You are debating words written in a language that was understood Two
Millenniums ago.
How DISHONEST of you!
Jesus said, "If you have seen the Father, you have seen me! The
Father and I are ONE."
He also said to the Jews, "I AM."
The title "I AM" is reserved for God Almighty.
If Jesus wasn't God in flesh, explain how He
1. raised the dead, with a few words, "Lazarus! Come forth!"
2. calmed a raging storm at sea (likely a hurricane), with a few
words.
3. walked on water. Can YOU walk on water?
4. healed blindness with His spit and some dirt.
Can YOU heal blindness with your spit and some dirt?
And the Bible clearly shows that God and Jesus
are not the same person.
No, actually, it doesn't say that at all.
Isaiah 9: 6 says that the son would be The Father, Almighty God.
Yes, they were one in thought and purpose etc
(Joh 10:30), but not in substance. (in body) For example, the Bible
says that God always existed. But that Jesus (before he came to earth
as a human) was a creation of God. Here are the Scriptural facts:
Jesus (the man) was born of woman. The Spirit that inhabited the
body was eternal God.
Therefore, the SON has always existed, and there are MULTIPE
references to the Son in the Old Testament; all the way back to
Genesis 1, in fact.
God always existed- Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Jesus was created by God- Col 1:15,
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."
(NASB)
Col 2 For in Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead in flesh.
In other words, all that God could be in human form, Jesus Christ
was that person.
And just one more point, the Bible clearly says at Ex 33:20 that no
human may see God and survive it. Obviously the Creator of all those
suns out there is too much for the human body to handle. But humans
did see Jesus and survive. Thus just as the Bible tells us, Jesus is
not Almighty God.
You are twisting scripture, like many anti-Christ cults do.
You have AVOIDED many scriptures that say Jesus Christ is Almighty
God.
How dishonest of you!!
You are a false teacher, and your punishment will be SEVERE!
Repent while you can!
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
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| User: "Elmer" |
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| Title: Re: Christmas |
23 Jan 2008 10:08:45 PM |
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john w <johnw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:25:39 -0500, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
(snip)
Yet, Jesus never said he was the "Creator" etc, rather "God's son".
(Joh 10:36)
John called Jesus the Creator. John 1.
(snip)
Yes, Jesus never said anything like 'I am the Father', or 'I am God',
or 'I am Jehovah' etc.
You are debating words written in a language that was understood Two
Millenniums ago.
How DISHONEST of you!
How is trying to understand anything dishonest?
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: Christmas |
24 Jan 2008 02:14:38 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:08:45 GMT, Elmer <nylicens@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
john w <johnw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:25:39 -0500, James <bireda@peoplepc.com> wrote:
(snip)
Yet, Jesus never said he was the "Creator" etc, rather "God's son".
(Joh 10:36)
John called Jesus the Creator. John 1.
(snip)
Yes, Jesus never said anything like 'I am the Father', or 'I am God',
or 'I am Jehovah' etc.
You are debating words written in a language that was understood Two
Millenniums ago.
How DISHONEST of you!
How is trying to understand anything dishonest?
I don't see an honest "attempt to understand."
The person-- James-- is making "statements of fact" that-- in fact--
are not true.
If one has read the Bible (James has apparently not) one knows that
every claim James made about the story of Jesus is false.
john w
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