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23 Sep 2004 09:18:59 PM |
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Re: could christianity be faked? |
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
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jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
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It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "the wonderer" |
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25 Sep 2004 11:06:46 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Sep 2004 06:36:41 PM |
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"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
Atheist's minds are shut tight, their only doctrine being: "There ain't
no god(s)", forgetting, that there is no lack of existing gods. I own a
Brazilian animist fertility god called Figa myself, and museums are full of
existing gods and devils. Also libraries are well stocked with books on
abstract god concepts, all existing in some way or another.
So I say again, if you want to join the mindless, then please post to
atheist or flame NGs, where "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc. as applied
to religion are not considered "dirty words" but normal fare.
Pastor Frank
GODS
Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright like the palm tree, but speak not. They
must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for
they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jn:10:34: Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are gods? [I.e. (Psa 82:6 NIV) I said: "You are gods"; you are all sons of
the Most High.]
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| User: "the wonderer" |
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27 Sep 2004 04:33:05 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<nZI5d.4551$hI2.3213@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
Atheist's minds are shut tight, their only doctrine being: "There ain't
no god(s)", forgetting, that there is no lack of existing gods. I own a
Brazilian animist fertility god called Figa myself, and museums are full of
existing gods and devils. Also libraries are well stocked with books on
abstract god concepts, all existing in some way or another.
So I say again, if you want to join the mindless, then please post to
atheist or flame NGs, where "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc. as applied
to religion are not considered "dirty words" but normal fare.
Pastor Frank
GODS
Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright like the palm tree, but speak not. They
must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for
they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jn:10:34: Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are gods? [I.e. (Psa 82:6 NIV) I said: "You are gods"; you are all sons of
the Most High.]
some atheists have minds and probably use them on occasion. i would
like to think that you have a mind in there somewhere too, frank. i'm
finding your comments to be pretty way out, man. why don't you keep
them over in the peyote-smoker's newsgroups where they belong? if you
decide to bring your brain next time and leave the drugs at home then
maybe we can hold an intelligent conversation. as it is right now,
you're way off topic.
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| User: "bob young" |
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27 Sep 2004 12:21:09 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409252006.2f7b2d90@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
Atheist's minds are shut tight, their only doctrine being: "There ain't
no god(s)", forgetting, that there is no lack of existing gods. I own a
Brazilian animist fertility god called Figa myself,
No you don't, you own a figurine representing the god of someone's
superstition. Superstitions [religions] can be divided into two main groups,
those that use idols to represent their dream gods and those that don't.
Either way - they are banal superstitions
And that, I suppose, is an example of a tight shut mind. If so, then prove I'm
wrong. And I mean 'prove'
Bob
Hong Kong
and museums are full of
existing gods and devils. Also libraries are well stocked with books on
abstract god concepts, all existing in some way or another.
You are getting to see the light PF. They are all abstrasct, including JC, the
wandering preacher
So I say again, if you want to join the mindless, then please post to
atheist or flame NGs, where "Self-deception",
Self deception is the mainstay of beliefs, without it there wouldn't be any!
"Cult-leader"
???? !!!!
Cults, religions, beleifs are all in the same barrel!
etc. as applied
to religion are not considered "dirty words" but normal fare.
Pastor Frank
GODS
Jeremiah 10:5 They are upright like the palm tree, but speak not. They
must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for
they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jn:10:34: Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye
are gods? [I.e. (Psa 82:6 NIV) I said: "You are gods"; you are all sons of
the Most High.]
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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26 Sep 2004 04:56:18 AM |
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"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409252006.2f7b2d90@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
Frank is only funny until you realize that he is as serious as he is
corrupt, ignorant and arrogant.
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| User: "bob young" |
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26 Sep 2004 12:14:06 AM |
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the wonderer wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
you use the word "atheist" like it's a dirty word or something.
you're not very open-minded, are you? don't have a clue, indeed! you
are very funny, at least.
as usual, 'Paste a Blank' needs reminding
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and
intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more
than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is
merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob
Atheist humanist
Hong Kong
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| User: "sheep defender" |
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25 Sep 2004 03:05:55 PM |
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In article <JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409221054.744c9824@posting.google.com...
jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
news:<41518c35$3_2@127.0.0.1>...
It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader" etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
Pastor Frank
It's far better for your eternal fate if you can't readily see God, to
therefore honestly decide to be an atheist, than it is to accept the
blasphemous recruitment lies of the Empire's church about a man from
history, which you know can't possibly be true..
Please try to think logically about what God wants you to do.
Defender
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28 Sep 2004 04:42:29 AM |
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"sheep defender" <sdsdsdsdsd@waithingforthelight.com> wrote in message
news:sdsdsdsdsd-2509041405560001@ras02-216-31-92-218.lru-dial.zianet.com...
In article <JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409221054.744c9824@posting.google.com...
jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
news:<41518c35$3_2@127.0.0.1>...
It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
It's far better for your eternal fate if you can't readily see God, to
therefore honestly decide to be an atheist, than it is to accept the
blasphemous recruitment lies of the Empire's church about a man from
history, which you know can't possibly be true..
Please try to think logically about what God wants you to do.
Defender
Same goes for ANY belief system. In the world's supermarket of ideas /
ideals, Christ presents us with a philosophy of life, one based on love
rather than law. Are you saying we should refrain from making a choice,
because one could choose wrong?
Btw atheists are not wrong, for their definition of the word "god" does
indeed not exist. It's their insistence on that ludicrous definition which
makes their motives suspect. See below
Pastor Frank
Asked by a reporter why so many people do not believe in God anymore,
Julian Huxley answered: "I suppose it's because the thought of God
interferes with people's sexual mores".
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| User: "sheep defender" |
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30 Sep 2004 05:22:42 PM |
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In article <2Ra6d.4744$hI2.2469@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"sheep defender" <sdsdsdsdsd@waithingforthelight.com> wrote in message
news:sdsdsdsdsd-2509041405560001@ras02-216-31-92-218.lru-dial.zianet.com...
In article <JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409221054.744c9824@posting.google.com...
jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
news:<41518c35$3_2@127.0.0.1>...
It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
It's far better for your eternal fate if you can't readily see God, to
therefore honestly decide to be an atheist, than it is to accept the
blasphemous recruitment lies of the Empire's church about a man from
history, which you know can't possibly be true..
Please try to think logically about what God wants you to do.
Defender
Same goes for ANY belief system. In the world's supermarket of ideas /
ideals, Christ presents us with a philosophy of life, one based on love
rather than law. Are you saying we should refrain from making a choice,
because one could choose wrong?
Sorry Pastor, I was out of town and without access to usenet.
If Muslims and Christians make their choice because they accept the
propaganda saying it's a sure ticket to heaven and then proceed to deride
everyone else, they must know in their hearts that they have no chance of
being on God's side.
No thinking person can believe that Jesus was one third of God and
helped 'create' the filaments and voids of galactic clusterings, or that
Allah wants infidels dead because it was written 'somewhen', and that
written record has survived for unrelated reasons.
Btw atheists are not wrong, for their definition of the word "god" does
indeed not exist. It's their insistence on that ludicrous definition which
makes their motives suspect. See below
Heh heh, I would like to hear your definition of God.
Defender
Pastor Frank
Asked by a reporter why so many people do not believe in God anymore,
Julian Huxley answered: "I suppose it's because the thought of God
interferes with people's sexual mores".
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| Title: Re: could christianity be faked? |
01 Oct 2004 07:00:06 AM |
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"sheep defender" <sdsdsdsdsd@waithingforthelight.com> wrote in message
news:sdsdsdsdsd-3009041622420001@ras01-216-31-88-234.lru-dial.zianet.com...
In article <2Ra6d.4744$hI2.2469@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Btw atheists are not wrong, for their definition of the word "god"
does
indeed not exist. It's their insistence on that ludicrous definition
which
makes their motives suspect. See below
Heh heh, I would like to hear your definition of God.
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "the wonderer" |
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01 Oct 2004 04:02:13 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<cee7d.427$Ii.115@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
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02 Oct 2004 10:03:30 AM |
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"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in
me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
You seem not to have read the supreme authority on the God of Christ
above, i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they
that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and then Christ
tells Philip, that God "dwelleth in Him" and who "does the works". Christ
doesn't call His God a mere 'emotion', YOU do!!!
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "the wonderer" |
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| Title: Re: could christianity be faked by Satan's atheist minions? |
06 Oct 2004 12:16:01 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<vxz7d.568$Ii.313@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0410011302.14ebc56e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<cee7d.427$Ii.115@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in
me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
You seem not to have read the supreme authority on the God of Christ
above, i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they
that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and then Christ
tells Philip, that God "dwelleth in Him" and who "does the works". Christ
doesn't call His God a mere 'emotion', YOU do!!!
i was making a feeble attempt at translating your nonsense into
something intelligible. i guess i'm not spritually perceptive enough
to understand much of what you say. could you please condescend to my
base level of understanding and enlighten me? i'm trying to
understand what you are talking about when you say your christian god
is love. you don't have to go into a tantrum just because you don't
know how to communicate. in the immortal words of ricky ricardo,
could you please "splain"?
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: could christianity be faked by Satan's atheist minions? |
02 Oct 2004 10:18:14 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0410011302.14ebc56e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<cee7d.427$Ii.115@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in
me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
You seem not to have read the supreme authority on the God of Christ
above, i.e. Christ Himself:
Using JC as your supporter Frank is like a firmean climbing a ladder made of
tissue paper.
You know very well that the existance of JC is highly suspect. Even if JC ever
existed he was no more than an itinerant preacher like yourself, made up to
represent 'the son of god' to prop up a flagging religion.
You really must be more ORIGINAL FRANK
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they
that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and then Christ
tells Philip, that God "dwelleth in Him" and who "does the works". Christ
doesn't call His God a mere 'emotion', YOU do!!!
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: could christianity be faked by Satan's atheist minions? |
02 Oct 2004 01:10:14 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0410011302.14ebc56e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<cee7d.427$Ii.115@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in
me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
You seem not to have read the supreme authority on the God of Christ
above, i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they
that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and then Christ
tells Philip, that God "dwelleth in Him" and who "does the works". Christ
doesn't call His God a mere 'emotion', YOU do!!!
===>No "Christ" is ever quoted as having said that.
You keep confusing "Christ" with "Jesus".
Being the liar you are,
you make stupid statements like
"i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT..."
not realizing you are attributing a saying of the JESUS character
to the imaginary being called "Christ".
Then you go on contradicting yourself, when you change things
and insist that "God is Love". Where is JESUS quoted as
saying "God is Love"???
The only one who said that was the author of the letter called
1 John! -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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02 Oct 2004 10:19:39 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Frank wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0410011302.14ebc56e@posting.google.com...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:<cee7d.427$Ii.115@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth,
and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth
us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in
me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
um...of course this is wandering a little bit off the topic of the
original post, but i'll play along for a minute...the christian
definition is that god is a being, not an emotion. you're not being
honest with your use of the bible. there's a lot more scriptures in
there than those you just quoted that explain very precisely who the
christian god is. how can jesus be your god if your god is just an
emotion called LOVE? was jesus a person or an emotion?
You seem not to have read the supreme authority on the God of Christ
above, i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they
that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and then Christ
tells Philip, that God "dwelleth in Him" and who "does the works". Christ
doesn't call His God a mere 'emotion', YOU do!!!
===>No "Christ" is ever quoted as having said that.
You keep confusing "Christ" with "Jesus".
Being the liar you are,
you make stupid statements like
"i.e. Christ Himself: Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT..."
not realizing you are attributing a saying of the JESUS character
to the imaginary being called "Christ".
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its
own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over
to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Then you go on contradicting yourself, when you change things
and insist that "God is Love". Where is JESUS quoted as
saying "God is Love"???
The only one who said that was the author of the letter called
1 John! -- L.
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02 Oct 2004 09:47:54 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:00:06 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>
wrote:
I am a Christian, therefore my definition is found in the NT of the
Bible. See below. "Heh heh" indeed!!!!! What's YOUR definition?
We have told you many times, Frank, we do not have a definition of
your god, we rely on you to provide that.
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blessed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: could christianity be faked? |
28 Sep 2004 07:16:30 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"sheep defender" <sdsdsdsdsd@waithingforthelight.com> wrote in message
news:sdsdsdsdsd-2509041405560001@ras02-216-31-92-218.lru-dial.zianet.com...
In article <JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409221054.744c9824@posting.google.com...
jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
news:<41518c35$3_2@127.0.0.1>...
It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels & wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
It's far better for your eternal fate if you can't readily see God, to
therefore honestly decide to be an atheist, than it is to accept the
blasphemous recruitment lies of the Empire's church about a man from
history, which you know can't possibly be true..
Please try to think logically about what God wants you to do.
Defender
Same goes for ANY belief system. In the world's supermarket of ideas /
ideals, Christ presents us with a philosophy of life, one based on love
rather than law. Are you saying we should refrain from making a choice,
because one could choose wrong?
Btw atheists are not wrong, for their definition of the word "god" does
indeed not exist. It's their insistence on that ludicrous definition which
makes their motives suspect. See below
Pastor Frank
Asked by a reporter why so many people do not believe in God anymore,
Julian Huxley answered: "I suppose it's because the thought of God
interferes with people's sexual mores".
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
One possible salvation for the human race has to belong to those of us with
brains. <see above>
Inspite of this however, there is every indication that humans will destroy
themselves in the not too distant future and they will do it in the name of
their non existant gods.
When we have disappeared there will be no more gods.
Bob
Humanist atheist
Hong kong
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2004 02:25:46 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4159561F.ECC6B611@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"sheep defender" <sdsdsdsdsd@waithingforthelight.com> wrote in message
news:sdsdsdsdsd-2509041405560001@ras02-216-31-92-218.lru-dial.zianet.com...
In article <JET4d.817$hI2.435@fe51.usenetserver.com>, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5b4cddc8.0409221054.744c9824@posting.google.com...
jomcg5@cs-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Trigger) wrote in message
news:<41518c35$3_2@127.0.0.1>...
It seems to me that much of christianity is wishful thinking
coupled
with a fear of death.It is well known that the four Gospels were
written many years after the crucifiction long after all the
witnesses were dead.It is also known that Jesus was a political
and
religious trouble maker attempting to disrupt the status
quo.Sometimes I wonder what it must have been like to grow up
with
everyone telling you that you are the son of God.That would be a
tremendous load to carry and you couldn't help but believe it
with
everybody hammering it into your head.
i don't think the son of god stuff came till after he was already
dead. just from my own study of the gospels it seems most likely
that
the stories about his "special" birth, mother a virgin, angels &
wise
men appearing, etc. were all later additions to the original story
as
were the resurrection accounts. he probably at some point thought
that he might really be the messiah though. self-deception is a
common thread among cult leaders. they tell and hear their own
stories long enough that they start to half-way believe them.
You don't seem to have a clue, W. "Self-deception", "Cult-leader"
etc.
indeed!!!! You keep talking like you have made up your mind to be an
atheist. If that is what you want to be, then do the decent thing and
post
your atheism to atheist NGs.
It's far better for your eternal fate if you can't readily see God, to
therefore honestly decide to be an atheist, than it is to accept the
blasphemous recruitment lies of the Empire's church about a man from
history, which you know can't possibly be true..
Please try to think logically about what God wants you to do.
Defender
Same goes for ANY belief system. In the world's supermarket of ideas
/
ideals, Christ presents us with a philosophy of life, one based on love
rather than law. Are you saying we should refrain from making a choice,
because one could choose wrong?
Btw atheists are not wrong, for their definition of the word "god"
does
indeed not exist. It's their insistence on that ludicrous definition
which
makes their motives suspect. See below
Pastor Frank
Asked by a reporter why so many people do not believe in God
anymore,
Julian Huxley answered: "I suppose it's because the thought of God
interferes with people's sexual mores".
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings.
Were do you see anyone talk of "immaterial existence"? Only YOU talk of
immaterial existence which is totally non sequitur. We talk about quality.
I.e. what makes a person good, and who demonstrates this quality to the max.
See below. Are you ready to lay down your life for your friends?
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
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30 Sep 2004 07:13:15 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:25:46 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Were do you see anyone talk of "immaterial existence"?
You do it constantly, Frank.
All of your "clever" semantics, all of your "superior" sophistry, all
your straw men, all of your lies. These are all "immaterial
existences", having existence, only in your imagination.
They are not real, Frank.
But sadly, the only person who does not realise that, is you.
Have you never stopped to wonder why the occasional support that you
get, from other xtians, is so fleeting?
No, I don't suppose that you have, your ego would never permit it.
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Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blessed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "the wonderer" |
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30 Sep 2004 11:57:14 AM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message news:<4159561F.ECC6B611@netvigator.com>...
To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
amen, brother tom!
One possible salvation for the human race has to belong to those of us with
brains. <see above>
Inspite of this however, there is every indication that humans will destroy
themselves in the not too distant future and they will do it in the name of
their non existant gods.
When we have disappeared there will be no more gods.
Bob
Humanist atheist
Hong kong
we humans are going to have to get over religion if we are going to
fulfill our best potential. islamic extremism is an in-your-face
example of how religion can go badly wrong. this kind of fanaticism
happens when people take their myths too seriously. the forces that
have kept the ancient religions going for centuries are very strong
and their self-perpetuating nature has made them quite effective in
causing all kinds of crazy behavior in large segments of the world's
population. i'm glad that many of the more intelligent ones among us
are finally seeing through religion's fog and coming into the light of
the truth. the truth will set you free.
i also believe that leaders in societies that try to hold their people
under the heavy oppression of fundamentalism will in the long run lose
out to philosophies that bring freedom. freedom is something that is
quite attractive and a free society is just plain better for everyone.
i just hope that humanity will survive till we reach the next, more
enlightened stage in our evolution. You're right, allowing extreme
religion to run it's course will only lead to the destruction of
everyone. our weapons have become too powerful to continue to allow
maniacs to stay in power and for maniacal philosophies to control
large populations. thinking people need to wake up to this very real
danger and support strong action now before bin-laden or someone else
starts dropping nukes destroying whole regions.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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30 Sep 2004 04:11:40 PM |
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"the wonderer" <thewonderer2004@lycos.com> wrote in message
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that
the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are
nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason
otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and
phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things
which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which
may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
amen, brother tom!
One possible salvation for the human race has to belong to those of us
with
brains. <see above>
Like you perhaps? LOL
Inspite of this however, there is every indication that humans will
destroy
themselves in the not too distant future and they will do it in the name
of
their non existant gods.
Nothing but lies!!!!! For our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
and we know our God exists. What does not exist is that invisible sky daddy
atheists call god.
we humans are going to have to get over religion if we are going to
fulfill our best potential.
More lies!!!! We humans have to learn to listen to the holy and inerrant
words of our God, and quit ignoring Him. Only then will we become loving,
kind and gentle people.
islamic extremism is an in-your-face
example of how religion can go badly wrong.
Wrong again!!!!!! We did MUCH worse to the occupiers of Europe, killing
whole cities full of women and children, while their men were fighting on
the Russian front. And we were considered heroes. You are just being a
hypocrite and bigot for saying opposite. Also the kill ratio between us
killing Muslims on THEIR territory as to them Killing us on OUR territory is
still 1000 to one in OUR favour, despite 9/11.
this kind of fanaticism
happens when people take their myths too seriously.
You mean YOUR fanatism, don't you, beating the horse rather than
removing the burr under its saddle, will result in the prophesied
Apocalypse, killing us all. See below. Also your should post your atheism to
atheist NGs. I will assist you.
--
Pastor Frank
For God to kill via a great flood etc. is one thing, and that's why we
call such events "Acts of God". It's quite another to command some of
His children to kill their Semitic brothers and sisters and their children
and life stock, in fact "all that breatheth". Here God is supposed to have
ordered fratricide and that can only be an order from Satan. May no one
think, that the Bible as well as the church and temple are free from Satan
and his minions, for the adversary has access to our hearts and minds even
to the very throne of God Himself (Rv:12:10).
All we have to go on are the inerrant words of Christ, our God
incarnate, and His commandments, all of which command us to love. Nowhere
does Christ endorse killing anyone for any reason. We even are commanded to
love our enemies, for God is our Father which is in Heaven, our Abba, Daddy,
who wishes that no harm should come to any of His children and that all
should come to repentance and be saved (2Pt:3:9). Had the Jews faith in
their Theology, they would have converted the natives of Israel, instead of
"killing all that breatheth", keeping alive only little girls to "do with as
you please" (Moses in Numbers 31:17-18). See below the abomination of hell
at work and what the ultimate consequence as per Biblical prophesy will be.
Pastor Frank
CAUSE OF THE APOCALYPSE: Being proud instead of repentant of the
horrific holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land",
as well as the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives.
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave them the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Then we are told, YHWH who is supposed to be "the same yesterday,
today and tomorrow", changed His mind and commanded fratricide.
Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and
life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire
country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and "reap where they have
not sown", resulting in the below obscenity, a holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Jesus in Matt. 24:16: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out
of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his
clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the
beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall
on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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01 Oct 2004 10:27:52 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<Va27d.353$Ii.116@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
Nothing but lies!!!!!
Thanks for the warning, Frankie.
For our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
Then why tack on the word "God" at all, Frankie? Obviously, your
claims for your Christian "God" go far beyond merely giving love a
superfluous, redundant, unnecessary and misleading renaming.
Oh, yeah, I forgot -- you're offering nothing but lies. Good thing
you warned me.
and we know our God exists.
Irrelevant, if you are merely using "God" as another word for "love."
We know that dragons exist, where by "dragons" we mean "anger." Big
whoop. We know that Frankie is a genius, where by "genius" we mean
"incredible moron."
Hec
http://hectorplasmic.com
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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02 Oct 2004 08:59:37 AM |
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"Hector Plasmic" <hec@hectorplasmic.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Nothing but lies!!!!!
Thanks for the warning, Frankie.
For our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
Then why tack on the word "God" at all, Frankie? Obviously, your
claims for your Christian "God" go far beyond merely giving love a
superfluous, redundant, unnecessary and misleading renaming.
Oh, yeah, I forgot -- you're offering nothing but lies. Good thing
you warned me.
and we know our God exists.
Irrelevant, if you are merely using "God" as another word for "love."
We know that dragons exist, where by "dragons" we mean "anger." Big
whoop. We know that Frankie is a genius, where by "genius" we mean
"incredible moron."
There is no shortage of existing gods Hec. museusm and libraries are
full of them, even I own one hand-carved Figa, which is a Brazilian animist
fertility god. It's a matter of making a choice, of which one you want to
believe in, i.e. give credence to and follow.
The Bible says, everyone has a god or devil, and most atheists can't
find a god worthy of their belief, TILL they get around to themselves.
That's were the buck stops eventually and surrounded by sycophants feeding
their ego, they end up worshipping their own persona. Yet they know in their
hearts of hearts, that they are severely flawed and quite unworthy of
worship. It's no wonder so many go insane. Just look at sorry spectacle
stars and starlets make of their lives, their sad stories filling the
tabloids at the supermarkets.
Christ is worthy to be our God incarnate, for He laid down His precious
and innocent life for us, so that we might have a life worth living. See
below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
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| User: "bluskie" |
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06 Oct 2004 01:41:23 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<uxz7d.567$Ii.170@fe51.usenetserver.com>...
"Hector Plasmic" <hec@hectorplasmic.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Nothing but lies!!!!!
Thanks for the warning, Frankie.
For our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
Then why tack on the word "God" at all, Frankie? Obviously, your
claims for your Christian "God" go far beyond merely giving love a
superfluous, redundant, unnecessary and misleading renaming.
Oh, yeah, I forgot -- you're offering nothing but lies. Good thing
you warned me.
and we know our God exists.
Irrelevant, if you are merely using "God" as another word for "love."
We know that dragons exist, where by "dragons" we mean "anger." Big
whoop. We know that Frankie is a genius, where by "genius" we mean
"incredible moron."
There is no shortage of existing gods
you mean there is more than one god pastor frank?
The Bible says, everyone has a god or devil, and most atheists can't
find a god worthy of their belief, TILL they get around to themselves.
That's were the buck stops eventually and surrounded by sycophants feeding
their ego, they end up worshipping their own persona. Yet they know in their
hearts of hearts, that they are severely flawed and quite unworthy of
worship. It's no wonder so many go insane. Just look at sorry spectacle
stars and starlets make of their lives, their sad stories filling the
tabloids at the supermarkets.
LOL, alot of those insane sycophants are jews and christians too
pastor frank.
Christ is worthy to be our God incarnate, for He laid down His precious
and innocent life for us, so that we might have a life worth living. See
below
Pastor Frank
I would like to believe that pastor frank but you know that jews,
christians, muslims, atheists and other fascist idealogues are the
source of evil in the world today, jesus knows it, god knows it, how
come you don't?
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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12 Oct 2004 08:35:49 AM |
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snip
Christ is worthy to be our God incarnate, for He laid down His
precious
and innocent life for us, so that we might have a life worth living. See
below
Pastor Frank
I would like to believe that pastor frank but you know that jews,
christians, muslims, atheists and other fascist idealogues are the
source of evil in the world today, jesus knows it, god knows it, how
come you don't?
This is not exactly true. The SOURCE of evil is man's rejection of God, and
His will for man.
Now, these various ideologies have often been perverted to accomplish man's
rejection of God, and that is being used to accomplish much evil. But, the
source is man's will.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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12 Oct 2004 09:53:24 AM |
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This is not exactly true. The SOURCE of evil is man's rejection of God, and
His will for man.
Exactly..., ALL MEN who are contrary to God! is what the Bible is referring to
as...(the Satan-the archtype of MAN)
God does not single out anyone! God loves all It's children not just a certain
group!
In God's eyes we all are ONE, that is why the good suffer the mistakes of the
bad! We all are ONE body...good, bad and ugly!
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he
maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the
just and on the unjust.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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02 Oct 2004 12:58:55 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Hector Plasmic" <hec@hectorplasmic.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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Nothing but lies!!!!!
Thanks for the warning, Frankie.
For our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
Then why tack on the word "God" at all, Frankie? Obviously, your
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