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"James" |
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20 Jan 2008 02:02:36 PM |
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Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
"Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com>
Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE
The Creator allowed evolution of His creations to occur. Amen.
Hello,
For many today, that is a common belief. But the Bible does not teach
that. Thus God's true servants only go by the truths God has revealed
and not those of men, when there is a conflict between the two. (see
the principle at Ac 5:29)
And the Bible clearly shows that humans were created as full humans
right from the start. They didn't evolve from some simple life form up
to a more complex one. (see Genesis Chapters 1, 2)
Many people respect Jesus' words, and he plainly believed in creation,
not some kind of evolving from lower forms. Mt 19:4,
"And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created
them from the beginning made them male and female,"" (NASB)
Thus you can't have it both ways. Either God created all things full
and complete (just as the overall fossil record shows fossils
appearing suddenly, and full and complete), or not.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
20 Jan 2008 02:22:20 PM |
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Its a shame when people have to resort to distortions and sniping of
legitimate science in order to spread and support their own chosen
beliefs.
The fossil records well support evolution, as does many other
disparate branches of science.
http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/fossil.html
http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html
I have, repeatedly, offered a book exchange with James. He may pick
any book of his choice on any desired topic (though in particular
evolution v creationism) and I will read and consider its points and
arguments. In turn, I will send James a book for him to read,
objectively consider and respond. He has not responded via email or
post in threads to this offer.
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
20 Jan 2008 10:00:35 PM |
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On Jan 20, 12:02=A0pm, James <bir...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
"Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com>
Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE
The Creator allowed evolution of His creations to occur. Amen.
Hello,
For many today, that is a common belief. But the Bible does not teach
that.
Sure it does. When the word gets created in Gen 1 and then the world
gets created in Gen 2 that is a big clue that Genesis is using symbols
to teach us a spiritual truth.
Thus God's true servants
You are in no position to judge other Christians. You have the right
to separate yourself from any group or belief you don't like. So it
is fine to make it clear that you don't agree with theistic
evolutionists. But if you kick Christ off the judgement seat you are
crossing the line and should expect to get called on it.
. . .only go by the truths God has revealed
and not those of men, when there is a conflict between the two. (see
the principle at Ac 5:29)
The evidence in our Universe is truth revealed by God. He put it
there. Now why would He do that?
And the Bible clearly shows that humans were created as full humans
right from the start.
The first time God created them in Gen 1 or the second time God
created them in Gen 2? It is kind of hard to take Genesis literally
when it has two creation stories.
They didn't evolve from some simple life form up
to a more complex one. (see Genesis Chapters 1, 2) =A0
Did it occur to you that people thousands of years ago were not ready
for this advanced idea so maybe God didn't burden them with it since
it has nothing to do with his agenda to get people saved?
Many people respect Jesus' words, and he plainly believed in creation,
not some kind of evolving from lower forms. Mt 19:4,
Jesus had a job to do and it had nothing to do with teaching ancient
man science that we were not ready to handle.
"And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created
them from the beginning made them male and female,"" (NASB)
If Genesis were symbolic (and with dual creation stories something
must be) then the spiritual message it was meant to convey would still
be valid.
Thus you can't have it both ways.
But the Bible can mean something you don't think it means.
Either God created all things full
and complete (just as the overall fossil record shows fossils
appearing suddenly, and full and complete), or not.
The fossil record shows no such thing. God made all the evidence for
evolution. Ask yourself why.
JC
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| User: "Gabriel" |
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| Title: Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
20 Jan 2008 09:22:33 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:02:36 -0500, James <bireda@peoplepc.com>
wrote:
"Lu R" <whome@hotmail.com>
Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE
The Creator allowed evolution of His creations to occur. Amen.
Hello,
For many today, that is a common belief. But the Bible does not teach
that. Thus God's true servants only go by the truths God has revealed
and not those of men, when there is a conflict between the two. (see
the principle at Ac 5:29)
And the Bible clearly shows that humans were created as full humans
right from the start. They didn't evolve from some simple life form up
to a more complex one. (see Genesis Chapters 1, 2)
Many people respect Jesus' words, and he plainly believed in creation,
not some kind of evolving from lower forms. Mt 19:4,
"And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created
them from the beginning made them male and female,"" (NASB)
Thus you can't have it both ways. Either God created all things full
and complete (just as the overall fossil record shows fossils
appearing suddenly, and full and complete), or not.
Amen! Either the Word of God contains lies or it doesn't. It's
that simple.
Looking more closely at the ludicrous speculations of macro
evolution, it's beyond clear there are many lies being passed off
as fact in their religion.
I sometimes wonder why those who say they follow God give into
this heretical doctrine of macro evolution fitting in with God,
thereby discrediting God's Word and implying it's false in some
places (opening up the floodgate of heretical doctrines where
people can just dismiss or change whatever parts of God's Word
they're not comfortable with). My guess is they are fooled by the
lies told by macro evolution that are passed off as fact, and to
"save" their religion (which doesn't need saving from the lies of
man - it's man that needs saving from their lying), they cave
into it and change the Word of God to fit the lies of macro
evolution! What an abomination it must be to God that some who
claim to follow Him would so such a thing!
Only God's grace can save us, as it becomes clear we are too
wicked and too much in love with this world to find our way to
Him.
"There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh
after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together
become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
Romans 3:11-12 KJVR
Praise the Lord!
Sincerely, James
**If you wish to have a discussion with me, please use email since I
do not follow ng threads
***********************************
Want a Free home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
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| User: "El Guapo" |
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| Title: Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
21 Jan 2008 09:49:33 AM |
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Ha... hooray. Its Gabriel. The same gabriel that repeatedly runs from
evolutionary debate. He posts passages pasted from creationist
websites and then when rebutted ignores the reply, like here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/5d87b7191d370836 or
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bible/msg/e683a2ba24ce1e11 or....
by the way, Jayne, I think he's calling you an abomination - and
you're not even gay.
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: CREATION AND EVOLUTION ARE AS ONE |
20 Jan 2008 09:47:12 PM |
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On Jan 20, 7:22=A0pm, Gabriel <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
Amen! Either the Word of God contains lies or it doesn't. It's
that simple.
Sorry Gabe but if it turns out that the Bible doesn't mean what you
think it means that doesn't mean it is lying. It would just mean you
got the wrong idea.
Looking more closely at the ludicrous speculations of macro
evolution, it's beyond clear there are many lies being passed off
as fact in their religion.
Your willful ignorance makes talking with you pointless. Please stop
hurting the cause of Christ.
I sometimes wonder why those who say they follow God give into
this heretical doctrine of macro evolution fitting in with God,
thereby discrediting God's Word and implying it's false in some
places (opening up the floodgate of heretical doctrines where
people can just dismiss or change whatever parts of God's Word
they're not comfortable with).
Maybe if you were to realize that this is not the case you would feel
better about the whole thing.
My guess is they are fooled by the
lies told by macro evolution that are passed off as fact,
It is no big surprise that your guess would be a total fantasy.
[...]
What an abomination it must be to God that some who
claim to follow Him would so such a thing!
If it was such an abomination then I would think God would not have
put all the evidence out there for us to find and follow. Why did he
give Earth an apparent age of over five billion years and the universe
on apparent age of over 12 billion years?
Only God's grace can save us, as it becomes clear we are too
wicked and too much in love with this world to find our way to
Him.
This has nothing to do with theistic evolution. An evolutionary
Christian doesn't have to give up anything except a literal
interpretation of Genesis and to references of Genesis. Your entire
argument is a slippery slope fallacy and fallacious arguments are not
valid.
JC
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