Religions > Bible > Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN!
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"Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 AM |
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Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex. Neither of us owned the other, but the other
owned us.
But it doesn't end there, Do to others as you would want done to you, I
would not have wanted my wife to cause me pain. Therefore I would have
sinned by causing her pain.
"Randy" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:24:27 -0700,
in article <12ii9humj4buufd@corp.supernews.com>,
oldwetdog <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote:
Randy wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:11:16 -0700,
in article <12ih5k69c788j98@corp.supernews.com>,
oldwetdog <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote:
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:48:00 -0700, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> you decided to say:
So, Dave says "forced sex is wrong" and YET HE CLAIMS
THE _RIGHT_ of a man to take his wife by force -->
and then rename it "assault."
It's not my duty
owd:
If your wife wishes to abstain from sex for a period of prayer and
fasting, and YOU do _NOT_ give YOUR consent, DO YOU HAVE THE GOD-GIVEN
RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER?
Randy:
Yes,
By claiming you have the God-given right, by claiming there is no rape
in marriage, you and Dave both are endorsing, excusing, advocating and
promoting spousal rape.
EOD
First, you're responding to Dave, not me,
First, I'm replying to both you and Dave, since you both are making the
same claim and take turns defending each other's lies...
Second, this discussion has -- in fact -- been over for some time; since
you and Dave have made statements and espoused doctrine you cannot now
refute. All you have left is illogic, distraction, slander, and to
continue to reveal your contempt for Truth...
By claiming you have the God-given right, by claiming there is no rape
in marriage, you (Randy and Dave) both are endorsing, excusing,
advocating and promoting spousal rape.
It is Done.
You're done, because you can't sustain your lies from an exegesis of
Scripture. The first exegetical attempt you even make, was basically
to deny "due benevolence" refers to sex in marriage. You had to
ignore the entire context of 1 Corinthians 7:1-9, and every published
commentary to reach that conclusion.
To form and walk in a theology that has to hide from Scripture in
order to exist, is about as dangerous as you can get. None of you has
refuted our interpretation, nor established your own on the basis of
exegesis, or anything other than personal say so and political
encouragement.
1 Corinthians 7
1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for
a man not to touch a woman.
[The subject of the chapter starts off with a reference to a question
the Corinthians wrote to Paul about. The question was concerning
whether or not to get married. Paul said it is good if they don't
need to marry. From the outset, we see that this is referring to
"due" benevolence that occurs in the context of a relationship between
a man and woman, in marriage, and is not referring to the relationship
between parents and children, or our relationship to other believers
or the world in general. The relationship in which due benevolence is
here described is consistent with the sexual relationship between a
husband and wife, otherwise, if it were merely a general reference to
kindness, it would apply to all relationships with everyone, and not
just the relationship between husband and wife]
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own
wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
[1) But to avoid "fornication", Paul says to go ahead and get married.
The NIV says that because there is so much immorality, they should get
married. Thus, the reason for marriage, is to avoid the fornication
or immorality in society. This is a reference to sexual fornication
and immorality, so marriage, here, is shown to be God's provision for
avoiding the fornication or immorality in society. Thus, again, the
context is talking about due benevolence, in reference to a need for
sexual purity, and not just for general daily living, as you suggest
with your interpretation of the word.
2) It says let every man and woman "have" their spouse. Have
literally means to hold, or own. Holding is consistent with the
interpretation that "due" benevolence refers to sex. Husbands and
wives don't "have" their children, or "have" their cousins, or "have"
people in the world in general, or "have" people in the church, in
general. Again, the context supports the interpretation "due"
benevolence is talking about sex in marriage, and not a general
kindness that we show to everyone.
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise
also the wife unto the husband.
Notice here, this isn't about the man getting his thing, but it is
about both the husband and wife, and they are instructed to render due
benevolence. The context shows this is a benevolence between husband
and wife, and not a general benevolence of kindness towards others in
general. The context continues to support the interpretation of sex
between husband and wife, and not a general kindness that would apply
to all people.
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and
likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the
wife.
[Now it specifically shows it's referring to the "body". The husband
and wife do not have "power" over their own body, but their spouse
does. Thus, the due benevolence is the kind of benevolence that
pertains to the "body". This is consistent with the interpretation it
is talking about sex, and it is not consistent with the interpretation
of a general kindness.
Further, notice who is supposed to have power over the husband and
wife's body. It has been argued that a spouse has the right or power
to say "no" to the their spouse. But is that what this passage says?
The person who says "no" is saying that they have "power" over their
own body, but this passage says just the opposite. Your spouse has
power over your body, but you do not. So when you say "no", you are
exercising "power" over something that you are not authorized to use
it over (i.e. your own body). Your spouse is the one who has "power"
over your body, not you, so when you say "no", *you* are the one who
is misusing "power" in relation to sex!
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time,
that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together
again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
[1) Defraud means "rob". When you fail to render due benevolence, you
are robbing your spouse of something that belongs to them (i.e. your
body). So then, the person who says "no", both misuses power in
relation to sex, by exercising power over a body that does not belong
to them (i.e. their own), as well as robs the other person of a body
that belongs to them. That is rape! When you say no, you are raping
your spouse!
2) The fact that both parties have to get consent from the other to
stop rendering due benevolence supports the interpretation it's
talking about sex. You don't have to stop being kind, in general, to
your spouse, just to pray. You do have to stop having sex if you want
to devote yourself to prayer.
3) It says to "come together again" after the time during which you
avoid, by mutual consent, "due benevolence" for the purpose of prayer.
This shows that the due benevolence is one of "coming together", and
supports the interpretation it is talking about sex, not just general
kindness.
4) The reason you're supposed to "come together" is so that Satan
won't tempt you because of your lack of self control. This supports
the interpretation it's talking about sex, and not general kindness.
6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath
his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if
they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn.
[The fact you have to have a gift for remaining single like Paul, and
that it's better to marry than to "burn" (or glow with passion),
supports the interpretation that it's talking about sex, not general
kindness, when it says "due benevolence".
Anyone care to dispute this based on an exegesis of the 1 Corinthians
7:1-9?
1 Corinthians 7
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and
likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the
wife.
5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time,
that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together
again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
The instruction in 1 Corinthians 7:4-5 indicates both spouses have
equal control over the other's body, but not their own. The person who
defrauds the other, by saying no, therefore, is the one sinning, by an
abuse of power against their needy spouse. The fact that act is to
"defraud", indicates their spouse still has a right to "due"
benevolence, and that it doesn't suddenly become "undue" benevolence
just because they decided to rob them of what was "due". Otherwise,
saying no wouldn't be defrauding.
Further, the fact benevolence remains "due", does *_not_* imply or
necessitate it must or will therefore be collected by force (which is
wrong), other than in the sick minds of those who are trying to impute
"rape" to others. A few people have this discussion so twisted up in
hypothetical lies, that they are actually trying to make it look like
the spouse who defrauds is the victim. In no uncertain terms, it is
the spouse who defrauds who abuses "power" in regards to sex, and the
defrauded spouse is the victim.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put
darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet,
and sweet for bitter!
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "Randy" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
10 Oct 2006 11:45:34 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500,
in article <12inhv31pjudef1@corp.supernews.com>,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex. Neither of us owned the other, but the other
owned us.
But it doesn't end there, Do to others as you would want done to you, I
would not have wanted my wife to cause me pain. Therefore I would have
sinned by causing her pain.
The premise is not that we have a right to take sex by force, but that
we have a duty to render "due" benevolence, as God enables us.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
10 Oct 2006 01:19:35 PM |
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"Randy" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500,
in article <12inhv31pjudef1@corp.supernews.com>,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex. Neither of us owned the other, but the other
owned us.
But it doesn't end there, Do to others as you would want done to you, I
would not have wanted my wife to cause me pain. Therefore I would have
sinned by causing her pain.
The premise is not that we have a right to take sex by force, but that
we have a duty to render "due" benevolence, as God enables us.
Exactly, it isn't that of claiming power, rather it is that of turning power
over to your spouse.
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
.
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| User: "Pulpitfire" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
11 Oct 2006 01:39:06 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Randy" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:pajni29v62sdf43na819fhplel457lv1s6@pulpitfire.org...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500,
in article <12inhv31pjudef1@corp.supernews.com>,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex. Neither of us owned the other, but the other
owned us.
But it doesn't end there, Do to others as you would want done to you, I
would not have wanted my wife to cause me pain. Therefore I would have
sinned by causing her pain.
The premise is not that we have a right to take sex by force, but that
we have a duty to render "due" benevolence, as God enables us.
Exactly, it isn't that of claiming power, rather it is that of turning power
over to your spouse.
Amen!
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
10 Oct 2006 12:05:34 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God
given right to have sex with our spouse, it would not be
rape. It would however, in your case, be assault and a
serious lack of love for her.
But bear in mind, that this subject was not about disabled
people. That was a red herring that they who could not
argue against what the Scripture says threw out there.
This discussion was about marriage in general.
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex.
Actually, according to the Scripture, that is not true.
Each spouse has power/authority over the body of
the other. That would not be possible, if the idea
of property is not being stated. Put aside your
personal feelings for a moment and think about it.
Now I'm not saying that we should treat our spouses
like property. This statement is limited to sex in marriage
and not everything.
And you can take the statement any way you wish
and I'm not saying that you don't have a good idea,
but I am saying that the statement, in context, was
about sex in marriage.
Neither of us owned the other, but the other
owned us.
I get the idea you're trying to express, but this is a
self contradictory statement. Nice ideas don't mean
that they are accurate. :)
__
Giant Waffle
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 11:16:35 AM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture. The
text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
It would however, in your case, be assault and a serious lack of love for
her.
In any case... forcing yourself on any woman, including your wife, is *rape*
But bear in mind, that this subject was not about disabled people. That
was a red herring that they > who could not argue against what the
Scripture says threw out there.
This discussion was about marriage in general.
Which includes the time in which at least one of the two becomes disabled,
in death do you part marriages this is more likely than not part of
"marriage in general"
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex.
Actually, according to the Scripture, that is not true.
Actually, according to scripture, that is the truth !
And ladies and gents, *It works* !!!
Each spouse has power/authority over the body of
the other.
Wrong, the text reads *render to*, neither spouce has power over the other,
BUT is to *render power over to* the other.
Think *power over the other* and *kill the marriage*
That would not be possible, if the idea of property is not being stated.
Our 30 years of a perfect marriage proves your above claim to be *false*.
Our marriage worked because neither was the property of the other, instead
we were servants of each other.
Put aside your personal feelings for a moment and think about it.
My personal feelings has nothing to do with it, but Our personal
*experience* does !
God's way *works*, Satan's misinterpretation *fails*.
Now I'm not saying that we should treat our spouses like property.
Property is property, yes you are, you just know better than admit it.
This statement is limited to sex in marriage and not everything.
Another one adjusting the scripture by adding qualifications (as in this
means only sex), which do not exist in the text.
And you can take the statement any way you wish and I'm not saying that
you don't have a good
idea,
It is God's "idea" not mine, I just lived by it, and was blessed with a
fantastic marriage :-)
but I am saying that the statement, in context, was about sex in marriage.
Except of course you can't find this limitation to sex anywhere in the text.
Neither of us owned the other, but the other owned us.
I get the idea you're trying to express, but this is a self contradictory
statement.
There is nothing contradictory about it, but hey, don't let that get in the
way of ruining your marriage by trying to play *Boss Man*
Nice ideas don't mean that they are accurate. :)
God's ideas are very accurate, you might try living according to them :-)
__
Giant Waffle
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
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| User: "Vic" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:58:40 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me
without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right
to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture. The
text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
It would however, in your case, be assault and a serious lack of love
for
her.
In any case... forcing yourself on any woman, including your wife, is
*rape*
But bear in mind, that this subject was not about disabled people. That
was a red herring that they > who could not argue against what the
Scripture says threw out there.
This discussion was about marriage in general.
Which includes the time in which at least one of the two becomes disabled,
in death do you part marriages this is more likely than not part of
"marriage in general"
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex.
Actually, according to the Scripture, that is not true.
Actually, according to scripture, that is the truth !
And ladies and gents, *It works* !!!
Each spouse has power/authority over the body of
the other.
Wrong, the text reads *render to*, neither spouce has power over the
other,
BUT is to *render power over to* the other.
Think *power over the other* and *kill the marriage*
That would not be possible, if the idea of property is not being stated.
Our 30 years of a perfect marriage proves your above claim to be *false*.
Our marriage worked because neither was the property of the other, instead
we were servants of each other.
Put aside your personal feelings for a moment and think about it.
My personal feelings has nothing to do with it, but Our personal
*experience* does !
God's way *works*, Satan's misinterpretation *fails*.
Now I'm not saying that we should treat our spouses like property.
Property is property, yes you are, you just know better than admit it.
This statement is limited to sex in marriage and not everything.
Another one adjusting the scripture by adding qualifications (as in this
means only sex), which do not exist in the text.
And you can take the statement any way you wish and I'm not saying that
you don't have a good
idea,
It is God's "idea" not mine, I just lived by it, and was blessed with a
fantastic marriage :-)
but I am saying that the statement, in context, was about sex in
marriage.
Except of course you can't find this limitation to sex anywhere in the
text.
Neither of us owned the other, but the other owned us.
I get the idea you're trying to express, but this is a self
contradictory
statement.
There is nothing contradictory about it, but hey, don't let that get in
the
way of ruining your marriage by trying to play *Boss Man*
Nice ideas don't mean that they are accurate. :)
God's ideas are very accurate, you might try living according to them :-)
__
Giant Waffle
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
Hi Glen!!
Having been married myself 36 years, I can appreciate how close (one body)
you both were.
I am very sorry to here that the 'gift' God gave you, to love and serve has
gone before you. I glean from your understanding of what marriage is, that
God will one day say to you 'Well done my good and faithful servant'
As to the issue about who is *BOSS*
There is only one BOSS and that is God, for ALL authority is His!
And as you rightly point out, if any would boss another, it will kill a
relationship.
We are all from the same dust of the earth, and 'no' dust is greater then
the other.
We are all given our calling (role) by God, and He provides us with all we
need (His Authority) to fulfil our role.
Submitting to one another, is not so much about submitting to the person,
but submitting to God's Authority invested in that person. Unfortunately,
some rob God by taking the glory for themselves.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
12 Dec 2006 07:25:11 PM |
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Thank you !
"Vic" <someone@home.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me
without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been
raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right
to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture. The
text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
It would however, in your case, be assault and a serious lack of love
for
her.
In any case... forcing yourself on any woman, including your wife, is
*rape*
But bear in mind, that this subject was not about disabled people.
That
was a red herring that they > who could not argue against what the
Scripture says threw out there.
This discussion was about marriage in general.
Which includes the time in which at least one of the two becomes
disabled,
in death do you part marriages this is more likely than not part of
"marriage in general"
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that
to
mean much more than just sex.
Actually, according to the Scripture, that is not true.
Actually, according to scripture, that is the truth !
And ladies and gents, *It works* !!!
Each spouse has power/authority over the body of
the other.
Wrong, the text reads *render to*, neither spouce has power over the
other,
BUT is to *render power over to* the other.
Think *power over the other* and *kill the marriage*
That would not be possible, if the idea of property is not being
stated.
Our 30 years of a perfect marriage proves your above claim to be *false*.
Our marriage worked because neither was the property of the other,
instead
we were servants of each other.
Put aside your personal feelings for a moment and think about it.
My personal feelings has nothing to do with it, but Our personal
*experience* does !
God's way *works*, Satan's misinterpretation *fails*.
Now I'm not saying that we should treat our spouses like property.
Property is property, yes you are, you just know better than admit it.
This statement is limited to sex in marriage and not everything.
Another one adjusting the scripture by adding qualifications (as in this
means only sex), which do not exist in the text.
And you can take the statement any way you wish and I'm not saying that
you don't have a good
idea,
It is God's "idea" not mine, I just lived by it, and was blessed with a
fantastic marriage :-)
but I am saying that the statement, in context, was about sex in
marriage.
Except of course you can't find this limitation to sex anywhere in the
text.
Neither of us owned the other, but the other owned us.
I get the idea you're trying to express, but this is a self
contradictory
statement.
There is nothing contradictory about it, but hey, don't let that get in
the
way of ruining your marriage by trying to play *Boss Man*
Nice ideas don't mean that they are accurate. :)
God's ideas are very accurate, you might try living according to them :-)
__
Giant Waffle
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
Hi Glen!!
Having been married myself 36 years, I can appreciate how close (one body)
you both were.
I am very sorry to here that the 'gift' God gave you, to love and serve
has
gone before you. I glean from your understanding of what marriage is, that
God will one day say to you 'Well done my good and faithful servant'
As to the issue about who is *BOSS*
There is only one BOSS and that is God, for ALL authority is His!
And as you rightly point out, if any would boss another, it will kill a
relationship.
We are all from the same dust of the earth, and 'no' dust is greater then
the other.
We are all given our calling (role) by God, and He provides us with all we
need (His Authority) to fulfil our role.
Submitting to one another, is not so much about submitting to the person,
but submitting to God's Authority invested in that person. Unfortunately,
some rob God by taking the glory for themselves.
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15 Oct 2006 11:40:40 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture. The
text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
It would however, in your case, be assault and a serious lack of love for
her.
In any case... forcing yourself on any woman, including your wife, is
*rape*
But bear in mind, that this subject was not about disabled people. That
was a red herring that they > who could not argue against what the
Scripture says threw out there.
This discussion was about marriage in general.
Which includes the time in which at least one of the two becomes disabled,
in death do you part marriages this is more likely than not part of
"marriage in general"
Your body is not your own but it belongs to your spouse, we took that to
mean much more than just sex.
Actually, according to the Scripture, that is not true.
Actually, according to scripture, that is the truth !
And ladies and gents, *It works* !!!
Each spouse has power/authority over the body of
the other.
Wrong, the text reads *render to*, neither spouce has power over the
other, BUT is to *render power over to* the other.
Think *power over the other* and *kill the marriage*
That would not be possible, if the idea of property is not being stated.
Our 30 years of a perfect marriage proves your above claim to be *false*.
Our marriage worked because neither was the property of the other, instead
we were servants of each other.
Put aside your personal feelings for a moment and think about it.
My personal feelings has nothing to do with it, but Our personal
*experience* does !
God's way *works*, Satan's misinterpretation *fails*.
Now I'm not saying that we should treat our spouses like property.
Property is property, yes you are, you just know better than admit it.
This statement is limited to sex in marriage and not everything.
Another one adjusting the scripture by adding qualifications (as in this
means only sex), which do not exist in the text.
And you can take the statement any way you wish and I'm not saying that
you don't have a good
idea,
It is God's "idea" not mine, I just lived by it, and was blessed with a
fantastic marriage :-)
but I am saying that the statement, in context, was about sex in
marriage.
Except of course you can't find this limitation to sex anywhere in the
text.
Neither of us owned the other, but the other owned us.
I get the idea you're trying to express, but this is a self contradictory
statement.
There is nothing contradictory about it, but hey, don't let that get in
the way of ruining your marriage by trying to play *Boss Man*
Nice ideas don't mean that they are accurate. :)
God's ideas are very accurate, you might try living according to them :-)
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Giant Waffle
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the scripture
Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
Congratulations on all those wonderful years with your wife. You do have a
great God centered marriage and I admire you for that. Praise God for Godly
men such as you.
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15 Oct 2006 01:29:15 PM |
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"Diana" <newlifespromise@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
<snip>
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women... I watched my mom and others go
through such mistreatment (back then calling the law was useless, as the law
sided with the men)... I vowed to treat women as human beings, priceless and
of great value !
Congratulations on all those wonderful years with your wife. You do have a
great God centered marriage and I admire you for that.
We do, even though she has gone on to her Heavenly duties, she still visits
(usually in my dreams), so you are right, we do have a great marriage. We
Vowed *Forever* not "Death do you part"
Praise God for Godly men such as you.
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15 Oct 2006 06:33:29 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Diana" <newlifespromise@msn.com> wrote in message
news:cwtYg.12821$OE1.8028@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dkni25fn7p5qkqinvj03rbtkghpq0japh@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
<snip>
Sad that other peoples' POVs offend you so much !
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women... I watched my mom and others go
through such mistreatment (back then calling the law was useless, as the
law sided with the men)... I vowed to treat women as human beings,
priceless and of great value !
Congratulations on all those wonderful years with your wife. You do have
a great God centered marriage and I admire you for that.
We do, even though she has gone on to her Heavenly duties, she still
visits (usually in my dreams), so you are right, we do have a great
marriage. We Vowed *Forever* not "Death do you part"
Praise God for Godly men such as you.
That is wonderful that she comes to you in your dreams. I was like your Mom.
I was married to an abuser and I called the law even went to court and the
judge stood by him because so many women went back to the abusive marriage.
I didn't though. I left that very day because I knew if I went back the tar
would be kicked out of me again.
I am glad you broke the chain of violence against women. God Bless your
Sweet Soul Glenn.
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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15 Oct 2006 02:13:19 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and this story does not
make your lies truth.
Goodbye, liar.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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12 Dec 2006 06:30:01 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6125j2tcbnmq6no79l9b2rdud1lq1culqm@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of
lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
Strange how my proof that I read the text correctly, is snipped (?)
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and this story does not
make your lies truth. Goodbye, liar.
Enjoy divorce court !
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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15 Oct 2006 04:20:06 PM |
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Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
Randy and Dave advocate spousal rape:
FIRST:
Both say that a wife has no right to say "no." They contend that for a
wife to say "no" under any circumstances or for any reason is a
violation of a command given by God -- sin.
This lie is based on the misinterpretation and misapplication of Paul's
words.
Paul said he was not giving a command, (1 Co 7:6) and yet Both Randy and
Dave convert Paul's CONCESSION into a command and claim disobedience (to
this nonexistent command) is sin.
Dave:
However, if she said no and then I took her by force,
then we both have sinned. Her for saying no and me
for assaulting my wife.
This is the part of our words that you have ignored
each and every time Randy and I have posted them.
You also ignore the fact that the wife has sinned by
saying no. This is because you openly reject what
Scripture says about it.
http://tinyurl.com/gse8t
owd:
Note that if one or both partners do not have the option of saying "No"
then by definition "CONSENT" is Non-existent.
SECOND:
"Force" is defined as the use of physical strength, coercion or
violence; the force of circumstances, persuasive power to convince, as
strength of argument, mental or moral; duress or threat of the use of
force or compulsion, or the fear of any force.
Note that Dave is willing to admit that sex by force is "assault," but
he refuses to acknowledge that "sex by assault" is in fact Rape.
owd:
If your wife wishes to abstain from sex for a period of prayer and
fasting, and YOU do _NOT_ give YOUR consent, DO YOU HAVE THE GOD-GIVEN
RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER?
Randy:
Yes,
http://tinyurl.com/z2wnk
owd:
By claiming you have the God-given "Right," by asserting there is no
rape in marriage, you (Randy and Dave) excuse, endorse, advocate and
promote spousal rape.
THIRD:
Both Randy and Dave are preaching a doctrine that can not be found in
God's Word, except for the misinterpretation of Paul's letter to the
Corinthians. They attempt to tell Christians that the Marital
Relationship COMMANDED by Paul is a change of the Marriage relationship
known to the Jews since the writings of Moses.
Paul did NOT give a command; nor did he define any "Right" or "Authority."
To claim a "right" is to both use and promote the use of that right.
For Randy and Dave to claim the right and yet state that they do not use
it is self contradictory -- a lie.
To say that the "right" exists and then deny that you advocate or excuse
its use is an obvious act of illogic (aka, a lie) and that some men do
abuse the right you advocate makes you a contemptible accessory to their
crime. The blood of their victims is on your hands.
Your (Randy) statement "unless it is abused in the worst way" is
ludicrously ignorant! To be "abused" at all is abuse in the worst
possible way (unless you can suggest some marital sex act which is worse
than spousal rape?)
Do you also say that the government passing out rubbers to school kids
does not promote adolescent sexual conduct.... Sure, Randy, giving
twelve year old kids free rubbers is not suggesting they use them...
Telling men that they have the "right" to use their wife for selfish
sexual gratification without her willing participation *IS* advocating
spousal rape.
http://tinyurl.com/qdtqy
I know that you are NOT so completely IGNORANT of logic to know that IF
YOU SAY A WIFE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY "NO" THEN YOU *ARE* ADVOCATING THE
USE OF FORCE!!
That makes you a pathetic liar who advocates spousal rape.
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| User: "Diana" |
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15 Oct 2006 06:37:17 PM |
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Top Post... How can they be so cruel to someone like Glenn. Sad how they say
they are Christian but Christian love does not show forth from them. I am a
very bad person but even I pray that God touches these two men's heart for
they are treading very thin waters where God's word is concerned. Shame on
the both of them.
"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12j59gdf0juqq07@corp.supernews.com...
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of
lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt
it was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
Randy and Dave advocate spousal rape:
FIRST:
Both say that a wife has no right to say "no." They contend that for a
wife to say "no" under any circumstances or for any reason is a violation
of a command given by God -- sin.
This lie is based on the misinterpretation and misapplication of Paul's
words.
Paul said he was not giving a command, (1 Co 7:6) and yet Both Randy and
Dave convert Paul's CONCESSION into a command and claim disobedience (to
this nonexistent command) is sin.
Dave:
However, if she said no and then I took her by force,
then we both have sinned. Her for saying no and me
for assaulting my wife.
This is the part of our words that you have ignored
each and every time Randy and I have posted them.
You also ignore the fact that the wife has sinned by
saying no. This is because you openly reject what
Scripture says about it.
http://tinyurl.com/gse8t
owd:
Note that if one or both partners do not have the option of saying "No"
then by definition "CONSENT" is Non-existent.
SECOND:
"Force" is defined as the use of physical strength, coercion or violence;
the force of circumstances, persuasive power to convince, as strength of
argument, mental or moral; duress or threat of the use of force or
compulsion, or the fear of any force.
Note that Dave is willing to admit that sex by force is "assault," but he
refuses to acknowledge that "sex by assault" is in fact Rape.
owd:
If your wife wishes to abstain from sex for a period of prayer and
fasting, and YOU do _NOT_ give YOUR consent, DO YOU HAVE THE GOD-GIVEN
RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER?
Randy:
Yes,
http://tinyurl.com/z2wnk
owd:
By claiming you have the God-given "Right," by asserting there is no rape
in marriage, you (Randy and Dave) excuse, endorse, advocate and promote
spousal rape.
THIRD:
Both Randy and Dave are preaching a doctrine that can not be found in
God's Word, except for the misinterpretation of Paul's letter to the
Corinthians. They attempt to tell Christians that the Marital Relationship
COMMANDED by Paul is a change of the Marriage relationship known to the
Jews since the writings of Moses.
Paul did NOT give a command; nor did he define any "Right" or "Authority."
To claim a "right" is to both use and promote the use of that right.
For Randy and Dave to claim the right and yet state that they do not use
it is self contradictory -- a lie.
To say that the "right" exists and then deny that you advocate or excuse
its use is an obvious act of illogic (aka, a lie) and that some men do
abuse the right you advocate makes you a contemptible accessory to their
crime. The blood of their victims is on your hands.
Your (Randy) statement "unless it is abused in the worst way" is
ludicrously ignorant! To be "abused" at all is abuse in the worst possible
way (unless you can suggest some marital sex act which is worse than
spousal rape?)
Do you also say that the government passing out rubbers to school kids
does not promote adolescent sexual conduct.... Sure, Randy, giving twelve
year old kids free rubbers is not suggesting they use them...
Telling men that they have the "right" to use their wife for selfish
sexual gratification without her willing participation *IS* advocating
spousal rape.
http://tinyurl.com/qdtqy
I know that you are NOT so completely IGNORANT of logic to know that IF
YOU SAY A WIFE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY "NO" THEN YOU *ARE* ADVOCATING THE USE
OF FORCE!!
That makes you a pathetic liar who advocates spousal rape.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: * GOODBYE, GLENN THE MYSTIC * |
12 Dec 2006 06:36:35 PM |
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That's OK Diana, I have no sadness for myself... What I am sad about is
their road toward divorce.
In my long life, I have seen the outcome of their thinking happen far too
many times... My hope though is that they learn from their future *loss*
"Diana" <newlifespromise@msn.com> wrote in message
news:NCzYg.14578$Cq3.2133@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
Top Post... How can they be so cruel to someone like Glenn. Sad how they
say they are Christian but Christian love does not show forth from them. I
am a very bad person but even I pray that God touches these two men's
heart for they are treading very thin waters where God's word is
concerned. Shame on the both of them.
"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12j59gdf0juqq07@corp.supernews.com...
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of
lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt
it was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
Randy and Dave advocate spousal rape:
FIRST:
Both say that a wife has no right to say "no." They contend that for a
wife to say "no" under any circumstances or for any reason is a violation
of a command given by God -- sin.
This lie is based on the misinterpretation and misapplication of Paul's
words.
Paul said he was not giving a command, (1 Co 7:6) and yet Both Randy and
Dave convert Paul's CONCESSION into a command and claim disobedience (to
this nonexistent command) is sin.
Dave:
However, if she said no and then I took her by force,
then we both have sinned. Her for saying no and me
for assaulting my wife.
This is the part of our words that you have ignored
each and every time Randy and I have posted them.
You also ignore the fact that the wife has sinned by
saying no. This is because you openly reject what
Scripture says about it.
http://tinyurl.com/gse8t
owd:
Note that if one or both partners do not have the option of saying "No"
then by definition "CONSENT" is Non-existent.
SECOND:
"Force" is defined as the use of physical strength, coercion or violence;
the force of circumstances, persuasive power to convince, as strength of
argument, mental or moral; duress or threat of the use of force or
compulsion, or the fear of any force.
Note that Dave is willing to admit that sex by force is "assault," but he
refuses to acknowledge that "sex by assault" is in fact Rape.
owd:
If your wife wishes to abstain from sex for a period of prayer and
fasting, and YOU do _NOT_ give YOUR consent, DO YOU HAVE THE GOD-GIVEN
RIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER?
Randy:
Yes,
http://tinyurl.com/z2wnk
owd:
By claiming you have the God-given "Right," by asserting there is no rape
in marriage, you (Randy and Dave) excuse, endorse, advocate and promote
spousal rape.
THIRD:
Both Randy and Dave are preaching a doctrine that can not be found in
God's Word, except for the misinterpretation of Paul's letter to the
Corinthians. They attempt to tell Christians that the Marital
Relationship COMMANDED by Paul is a change of the Marriage relationship
known to the Jews since the writings of Moses.
Paul did NOT give a command; nor did he define any "Right" or
"Authority."
To claim a "right" is to both use and promote the use of that right.
For Randy and Dave to claim the right and yet state that they do not use
it is self contradictory -- a lie.
To say that the "right" exists and then deny that you advocate or excuse
its use is an obvious act of illogic (aka, a lie) and that some men do
abuse the right you advocate makes you a contemptible accessory to their
crime. The blood of their victims is on your hands.
Your (Randy) statement "unless it is abused in the worst way" is
ludicrously ignorant! To be "abused" at all is abuse in the worst
possible way (unless you can suggest some marital sex act which is worse
than spousal rape?)
Do you also say that the government passing out rubbers to school kids
does not promote adolescent sexual conduct.... Sure, Randy, giving twelve
year old kids free rubbers is not suggesting they use them...
Telling men that they have the "right" to use their wife for selfish
sexual gratification without her willing participation *IS* advocating
spousal rape.
http://tinyurl.com/qdtqy
I know that you are NOT so completely IGNORANT of logic to know that IF
YOU SAY A WIFE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY "NO" THEN YOU *ARE* ADVOCATING THE USE
OF FORCE!!
That makes you a pathetic liar who advocates spousal rape.
.
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 02:12:15 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and your sob story
does not make your lies true.
Goodbye, liar.
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Giant Waffle
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My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOESIT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 04:24:02 PM |
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Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt it
was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and your sob story
Dave,
this comment certainly reveals your heartlessness and loveless soul!!
You suffer so completely from delusion that you do not comprehend that
your word reveal the state of your soul, as well as who you serve!
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| User: "Diana" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 06:39:17 PM |
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"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12j59nitc904cb0@corp.supernews.com...
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of
lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt
it was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and your sob story
Dave,
this comment certainly reveals your heartlessness and loveless soul!!
You suffer so completely from delusion that you do not comprehend that
your word reveal the state of your soul, as well as who you serve!
not to worry owd. When Dave faces the judgment Jesus will say the same to
him. He will say "depart for I have nothing to do with your sob story. "
How sad it is that Dave has a hard heart.
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOESIT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 08:01:53 PM |
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Diana wrote:
"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12j59nitc904cb0@corp.supernews.com...
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:29:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
Thank God for men such as you Glenn. You do live according to the
scripture Dave and Randy has twisted to suit their own evil need of
lust.
They are throw backs from the 1950s when I grew up, men back then felt
it was their right to use and abuse women...
You have just joined the camp of liars. Randy and I
have both said that we do not advocate the use of force.
You know that and don't care, because your personal
opinion, which disagrees with Scripture, is so important
to you, that you will lie about people, to keep it.
I watched my mom and others go through such mistreatment
Which has nothing to do with us and your sob story
Dave,
this comment certainly reveals your heartlessness and loveless soul!!
You suffer so completely from delusion that you do not comprehend that
your word reveal the state of your soul, as well as who you serve!
not to worry owd. When Dave faces the judgment Jesus will say the same to
him. He will say "depart for I have nothing to do with your sob story. "
That sure seems to be a possibility
How sad it is that Dave has a hard heart.
You are right, Sister.
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 12:48:23 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:16:35 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dkni25fn7p5qkqinvj03rbtkghpq0japh@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture.
Then quote the verse in which any man was accused of raping
his own wife.
The text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
That's right. It tells each spouse to serve. It says not to
defraud the other.
We do not serve the other, by defrauding.
This is quite simple and your words backfired on you.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Vic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
15 Oct 2006 06:16:54 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o0t4j2hn59qis7t7uutpm2bt9lmhch0k49@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:16:35 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dkni25fn7p5qkqinvj03rbtkghpq0japh@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me
without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been
raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right
to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture.
Then quote the verse in which any man was accused of raping
his own wife.
Show us the verse that says "we have the God given right to have sex with
our spouse"
The text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
That's right. It tells each spouse to serve. It says not to
defraud the other.
We do not serve the other, by defrauding.
This is quite simple and your words backfired on you.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
12 Dec 2006 07:23:29 PM |
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"Vic" <someone@home.co.uk> wrote in message
news:QYmdnTNzTq-EXK_YRVnyhA@eclipse.net.uk...
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o0t4j2hn59qis7t7uutpm2bt9lmhch0k49@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:16:35 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dkni25fn7p5qkqinvj03rbtkghpq0japh@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me
without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been
raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right
to
have sex with our spouse, > it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture.
Then quote the verse in which any man was accused of raping
his own wife.
Show us the verse that says "we have the God given right to have sex with
our spouse"
He can't, because it isn't there.
The text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
That's right. It tells each spouse to serve. It says not to
defraud the other.
We do not serve the other, by defrauding.
This is quite simple and your words backfired on you.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: DAVE (aka Giant Waffle, Pastor Dave, Ananias917, AD70) DOES IT AGAIN! |
12 Dec 2006 07:20:29 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:o0t4j2hn59qis7t7uutpm2bt9lmhch0k49@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:16:35 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> shouted
thusly:
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6dkni25fn7p5qkqinvj03rbtkghpq0japh@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:40 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> you decided to say:
My wife toward the end of her life, became too small to handle me
without
great pain. Even with permission from her, IMO I would have been raping
her.
This is a minor point, but I disagree. If we have the God given right
to
have sex with our spouse, it would not be rape.
The problem is that this opinion of yours is not backed by scripture.
Then quote the verse in which any man was accused of raping
his own wife.
LOL, the part of your statement which I was calling Unbacked by scripture,
is your so called "God given *right* to have sex with your wife."
The text tells *you* the husband, that you have no power over your body, but
the wife.
IOWs she can tell your body "not today, stud !" and you must back off !
And tells your wife the same thing, that she has no power over her body, but
the husband.
NOW WHERE does this declare EITHER the "right" to have sex with the other !
Nor does it make EITHER of you "Boss", rather it renders both of you
*servants*
The text being discussed teaches us to serve, *not* to expect service.
That's right.
Thank you !
It tells each spouse to serve.
Which means that you obey when she says "NO"
It says not to defraud the other.
Correct, so don't defraud *her*
We do not serve the other, by defrauding.
Again, as *you* are not the boss, don't defraud her.
And if I were having this *same conversation* with her (as in she was
claiming power over you, as you are claiming power over her), which I am
not, I would tell her the very same thing.
Point is, the message *for you* is that *you are the servant*
This is quite simple and your words backfired on you.
Actually, they haven't... You are the *servant*, in the text which is
speaking to *you*, and it *ends there*. It is up to her to heed the part
written to her, you as the *servant* have no enforcement power.
Until you get that, you are on the road to *divorce*
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Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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