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"70AD" |
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04 Jan 2006 01:25:06 AM |
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Re: Dave can not support his false doctrine |
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:59:05 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
70AD wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:24:12 -0600, "alexiastation"
<alexiastation@nope.com> spake thusly:
oldwetdog wrote:
Where does it say in the Bible that "the lord will come
in the lifetime of the First Century Saints"? Just those
_exact words_ please--I am not interested in any
"translation" of the words.
What about "The Lord will come before those who saw Him
have all died"? Just the _exact words_ please--I am not
interested in any "translation" of the words.
Which of the writers of the New Testament said, "Christ
will come in my generation, or in my lifetime"? Just the
_exact words_ please--I am not interested in any
"translation" of their words.
In which Book, Chapter and Verse is it written that
"Christ will come when Jerusalem is destroyed"? Those
_exact words_ please--I am not interested in any
"translation" of what is written.
Tell me: Which of the Apostils said "Jesus will come
before we, His Disciples, all die"? Come now, tell me
which of them said those _exact_ words--I am NOT
interested in a "translation" of what they did write.
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Was His coming in AD 70 so secret that no one noticed?
Tell me, please explain, "How the coming of the Son of
God could have gone un-noticed by the WHOLE WORLD?"
Was His coming so uneventful, so void of meaning that
NOTHING on the face of this corrupt and sinful world
changed?
Then you tell me: Which writer of history, religious or
secular, recorded any Testimony or statement that "The
Son of God came when Jerusalem and the Temple were
destroyed"? Come now, if Jesus did NOT come in secret, if
EVERY Tribe of earth mourned, SOMEONE must have noticed
His coming.
When He came, did He remove His People from the Promised
Land on pain of death?
Was it Christ who drove the world into the dark ages?
Was it Christ who allowed Constantine to proclaim himself
"God on Earth in the absence of Christ"?
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so
is a wise reprover upon an obedient ear. Solomon
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BTW this world has not yet been judged according to it's works, I fear
the day that it is :( People will parish for lack of WISDOM, the wisdom
of God! Amen OWD? While there is still time, they need to realize that
it is in Him, that our future eternal is!, and without Him awaits Hell.
Right Dave>?
To preach a false doctrine is very dangerous. I suppose that 70AD is
Dave>? Changed your name again?
I suppose to avoid the block list ?
in Him,
Beth
Why not make accusations? Sure.
And hey, make sure to ignore the fact that I provided
exactly what he asked for.
what you provded is garbage.
Keep telling yourself that.
You dodged my response again.
Yes, He said "this generation..."
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
But that is not what I asked you to supply...you have not supplied ONE
scripture where He said "I will come back in this generation..."
Don't play stupid with me, because I'm not that stupid
and I don't buy into stupidity. You know exactly what
was said and you know that I provided exactly what
you asked for. You don't like it. That's your problem
You keep trying to make up words and then make demands,
in order to try to avoid what was said. He stated He
was returning in judgment and said, "this generation"
would see all of what He said fulfilled.
He gave THEM a list of events.
He told THEM to watch for them.
He told THEM the events would happen to THEM.
He told them that THIS GENERATION would not
pass, before ALL these things were fulfilled.
He told them when Jerusalem was destroyed that
it meant that ALL THINGS WRITTEN WERE
FULFILLED.
ALL THINGS GLENN, NOT SOME THINGS.
No one looks at someone and says, "this generation"
and means a generation thousands of years away.
You know it. I know it. And you know that I know
that you know it.
You are not convincing me with your games.
I know that you don't believe what you're writing.
I know that you know you're posting lies and dodging
the text.
No one who is being honest...
1) Ignores responses if they don't present a problem
for their doctrine.
2) Outright lies about what was said, such as claiming
that I "translated" and "added words" to a verse, when
all I did was quote the verse. You simply hated the
fact that I quoted exactly what you asked for. You
have told many lies.
3) Takes what the other person is teaching and
incorporates it and then claims that they haven't
been taught anything.
Face it, you cannot deal with the facts I have
presented you.
We are all still waiting for you to tell us about
Isaiah 13:6-11 & 19:1. Why haven't you ever
responded about those?
Because they prove that Jesus was using symbolic
language and you don't like that, so YOU LIE and
pretend that it never happened and then YOU LIE
and continue to claim it's literal, when you know
better and you keep ignoring it.
But hey, I'm the liar, right? <chuckle>
You have not supplied ONE scripture where any New Testament writer said
"He will return in OUR (the first centruy saints) lifetime."
Yes, I did. I quoted two.
Matthew 16:27-28
27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory
of his Father with his angels; and then he shall
reward every man according to his works.
28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing
here, which shall not taste of death, till they
see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Yes, they were alive to see his death and resurrection, they saw Him
come into His Kingdom. The verse you quoted does NOT say that He would
return, or that He intended to COME back.
Are you now claiming that His Kingdom is in Heaven?
After all the time you spent claiming that the Kingdom
would be on Earth?
It is not His ascension. It is not the Transfiguration
and it is not Pentecost. I have already disproved
that and you snipped it. So don't bother claiming
it's one of those events, because I already proved
that they don't match what the verses say.
It does indeed address His return and that's why you
snipped Revelation 22:12. Because you are dishonest
and you know the wording is the same and you know
there's no denying that Revelation 22:12 deals with
His Second Coming.
Those passages say...
1) Some standing there would see Him coming.
It is not talking about seeing Him going.
2) That they would see Him coming with His Father's
angels. You claim that this happens when He returns,
yet here, because you know these verses present a
problem for you, you wish to claim that they aren't
about that?
3) That He would be coming to reward every man
according to His works. There is no way that isn't
about His return in judgment. Are you now going
to claim that He judges when He ascends?
Those verses are about His return in judgment and
there is no way you're going to get around that.
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with
me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
- Revelation 22:12
Same wording. Same event.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/vital/evolutio.html
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04 Jan 2006 06:08:22 PM |
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70AD wrote:
You keep trying to make up words and then make demands,
in order to try to avoid what was said. He stated He
was returning in judgment and said, "this generation"
would see all of what He said fulfilled.
<Quartus raises his hand to ask some questions>
It seems like the whole doctrine stands or falls upon the literal
interpretation of the phrase, "This Generation". I have several
questions to try to understand your literacy, and for clarity I will
refer to "this generation" as the generation that existed in Jesus time,
"Jesus' contemporary generation".
If a literal interpretation be insisted upon for the phrase, 'this
generation':
Matthew 12:39: But he, answering, said to them, A wicked and adulterous
generation seeks after a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it save
the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Jonas preceded the literal generation to whom Jesus was speaking and was
dead. When did Jonas arise from the dead and give a sign during Jesus'
contemporary generation?
****
Matthew 12:42: A queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the ends of the
earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, more than Solomon is here.
We know that the Queen of Sheba who visited Solomon preceded Jesus'
contemporary generation by many generations and was long dead. When did
she rise up from the dead in judgment on them during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 12:41: Ninevites shall stand up in the judgment with this
generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of
Jonas;
We know that the Ninevites of Jonas' day were dead. When these Ninevites
arise from the dead and stand in judgment during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 24: 14,34: And these glad tidings of the kingdom shall be
preached in the whole habitable earth, for a witness to all the nations,
and then shall come the end...Verily I say to you, This generation will
not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
Can you tell me when the preaching of the glad tidings of the kingdom
finally reached the end of the 'whole habitable earth'? (It must have
been before 70AD?)
****
Matthew 24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in
heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the land lament, and they shall
see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Would you affirm that all the tribes of Israel of Jesus' contemporary
generation lamented, and that they literally saw the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and glory?
If so affirmed, would you kindly point me to a historical record which
records this singular event (all tribes lamenting and every person in
all tribes seeing the Son of Man in power and glory)? (The same type of
historical record as can be found for the destruction of the temple in
70AD, like Josephus.)
****
Thanks.
Quartus, a brother
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| User: "70AD" |
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04 Jan 2006 08:12:33 PM |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:08:22 -0500, Quartus
<quartus_a_brother@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
70AD wrote:
You keep trying to make up words and then make demands,
in order to try to avoid what was said. He stated He
was returning in judgment and said, "this generation"
would see all of what He said fulfilled.
<Quartus raises his hand to ask some questions>
It seems like the whole doctrine stands or falls upon the literal
interpretation of the phrase, "This Generation". I have several
questions to try to understand your literacy, and for clarity I will
refer to "this generation" as the generation that existed in Jesus time,
"Jesus' contemporary generation".
No, it isn't just that one phrase. But I do believe
what He said there and I don't try to reword it.
If a literal interpretation be insisted upon for the phrase, 'this
generation':
Matthew 12:39: But he, answering, said to them, A wicked and adulterous
generation seeks after a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it save
the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Jonas preceded the literal generation to whom Jesus was speaking and was
dead. When did Jonas arise from the dead and give a sign during Jesus'
contemporary generation?
I'm going to stop this right here, because your
desperation is showing and I can see that you have no
problem twisting the Bible up like a pretzel, to make
it say what you know it doesn't say, in order to keep
your vain thrill, which excites you into claiming that
Jesus stood there and looked at His disciples and
said "this generation", because He was actually
talking right past them, just to speak to you.
I will however, answer this first point and only this
first point, for the benefit of those who may not know
their Bible's very well, so that they can know that
your arguments were just an exercise in you trying
to force the Bible to be all about you and involve a
lot of word twisting that you wouldn't ever do to
any other text.
You however, already know how stupid that question
was and so, I am not responding to this for you.
Jesus said that the sign of Jonah would be given
to them.
"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and
adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there
shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the
prophet Jonah:" - Matthew 12:39
Since Jesus said, "the sign of Jonah", that means
that it's something that people knew about, which
means that it's something that was in the past to
the generation He spoke to.
Jesus said the sign of Jonah would be given to
"this generation", thus showing that since Jonah
was dead, he was not of "this generation" when
Jesus said the phrase. Otherwise, there would
have been no point in noting the generation
standing there.
By stating the "the sign of Jonah", Jesus was not
saying that Jonah himself would give the sign.
He said, "the sign OF Jonah". He did not say,
"Jonah HIMSELF will appear and give you a sign".
Jesus was relating the three days that Jonah
spent in the fish, which was in the past, to the
three days that He would spend in the tomb,
which was yet future to when He said it, but
would still be within "this generation" when
He said it.
Jesus referred to the sign that *HE* would
give to "this generation" and gave them an
idea what it was, by referring to the sign that
Jonah had already given. Thus, Jesus did not
say that what happened to Jonah would be
what they saw, but rather, that the part about
Jonah and the three days would be seen.
How do we know this? Very simple.
THE BIBLE TELLS US IN THE VERY NEXT
VERSE, WHICH YOU CONVENIENTLY
CHOSE NOT TO QUOTE AND LEFT OUT !!!
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights
in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the
earth." - Matthew 12:40
This is also a good reason to think that there is
no problem in how Jonah survived within the
fish for three days. Maybe he didn't. Maybe
he died. Jesus used the same sign of three days.
That would seem to necessitate that both men
died and were raised three days later. There
is after all, no air to breathe in a fish.
Anyway, now, having seen BOTH VERSES,
when we read it together, we see how very
simple it is, compared to how very difficult
you tried to make it seem, by leaving the
next verse out (v40) intentionally.
Matthew 12:39-40
39) But he answered and said unto them, An evil
and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign
of the prophet Jonah:
40) For as Jonah was three days and three nights
in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Now, why don't you tell us all about how you don't
believe that Jesus rose again after three days.
You see, that is where you left yourself, by trying
to use this verse to disprove the fact that the
phrase "this generation" means just what it says
and having now seen what Jesus was really saying.
But I don't expect an answer. Nor do I expect you
to admit to what you just tried to do, nor that you
did it intentionally, as we both know you did.
You would have a lot of work ahead of you, to try
to convince me that you didn't know what the next
verse said. (:
And you have shown the desperation of the vanity
of the futurists, who will do whatever it takes,
torturing and bending God's words in the process,
to believe that it is all about THEM.
I'll let you go now. I know you need to get back to
your language twisting classes, that give lessons on
how to professionally twist and bend words, so that
they mean the opposite of what they normally do,
so that you can perform on the Bible, "feats never
to be performed on any other text, ever".
<snip>
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
"Faith is not an intellectual belief. Faith is
a belief with legs on it." - Adrian Rogers
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| User: "Quartus" |
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05 Jan 2006 04:06:46 PM |
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70AD wrote:
Now, why don't you tell us all about how you don't
believe that Jesus rose again after three days.
I do believe He rose again after three days. Why do you accuse me of not
believing that?
You see, that is where you left yourself, by trying
to use this verse to disprove the fact that the
phrase "this generation" means just what it says
and having now seen what Jesus was really saying.
But I don't expect an answer. Nor do I expect you
to admit to what you just tried to do, nor that you
did it intentionally, as we both know you did.
I'm so sorry you chose to answer the questions by imputing motives to me
which I did not have. That is sin. My questions were just that, questions.
"Judge not that ye be not judged." A person who disobeys the scriptures
by imputing motives to another, and incorrectly so at that, cannot be
depended upon to be led of the Spirit of God in their exegesis of other
scriptures.
I therefore withdraw my questions. I do not understand your vitriol
against me, but it does manifest your spiritual condition.
Quartus, a brother
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| User: "70AD" |
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06 Jan 2006 09:44:20 AM |
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:06:46 -0500, Quartus
<quartus_a_brother@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
70AD wrote:
Now, why don't you tell us all about how you don't
believe that Jesus rose again after three days.
I do believe He rose again after three days. Why do you accuse me of not
believing that?
You see, that is where you left yourself, by trying
to use this verse to disprove the fact that the
phrase "this generation" means just what it says
and having now seen what Jesus was really saying.
But I don't expect an answer. Nor do I expect you
to admit to what you just tried to do, nor that you
did it intentionally, as we both know you did.
I'm so sorry you chose to answer the questions by imputing motives to me
which I did not have. That is sin. My questions were just that, questions.
"Judge not that ye be not judged." A person who disobeys the scriptures
by imputing motives to another, and incorrectly so at that, cannot be
depended upon to be led of the Spirit of God in their exegesis of other
scriptures.
I therefore withdraw my questions. I do not understand your vitriol
against me, but it does manifest your spiritual condition.
Quartus, a brother
If I said something that wasn't in your heart,
then I apologize. In reading your post, I don't
understand how you could ask such a question.
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
The Last Days were in the first century:
James 5:8-9
8) Be YE also patient; establish YOUR hearts:
for the coming of the Lord DRAWETH NIGH.
9) Grudge not one against another, brethren,
lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge
STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR.
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| User: "Dr. Schmuck Enema spiegel" |
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05 Jan 2006 07:14:39 PM |
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Quartus wrote:
70AD wrote:
Now, why don't you tell us all about how you don't
believe that Jesus rose again after three days.
I do believe He rose again after three days. Why do you accuse me of not
believing that?
You see, that is where you left yourself, by trying
to use this verse to disprove the fact that the
phrase "this generation" means just what it says
and having now seen what Jesus was really saying.
But I don't expect an answer. Nor do I expect you
to admit to what you just tried to do, nor that you
did it intentionally, as we both know you did.
I'm so sorry you chose to answer the questions by imputing motives to me
which I did not have. That is sin. My questions were just that, questions.
"Judge not that ye be not judged." A person who disobeys the scriptures
by imputing motives to another, and incorrectly so at that, cannot be
depended upon to be led of the Spirit of God in their exegesis of other
scriptures.
I therefore withdraw my questions. I do not understand your vitriol
against me, but it does manifest your spiritual condition.
Quartus, a brother
Like yours hasn't ever manifested itself, eh hypocrite ?
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| User: "alexiastation" |
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09 Jan 2006 08:26:13 AM |
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Quartus wrote:
70AD wrote:
Now, why don't you tell us all about how you don't
believe that Jesus rose again after three days.
I do believe He rose again after three days. Why do you
accuse me of not believing that?
You see, that is where you left yourself, by trying
to use this verse to disprove the fact that the
phrase "this generation" means just what it says
and having now seen what Jesus was really saying.
But I don't expect an answer. Nor do I expect you
to admit to what you just tried to do, nor that you
did it intentionally, as we both know you did.
I'm so sorry you chose to answer the questions by
imputing motives to me which I did not have. That is sin.
My questions were just that, questions.
"Judge not that ye be not judged." A person who disobeys
the scriptures by imputing motives to another, and
incorrectly so at that, cannot be depended upon to be led
of the Spirit of God in their exegesis of other
scriptures.
I therefore withdraw my questions. I do not understand
your vitriol against me, but it does manifest your
spiritual condition.
Quartus, a brother
How right you are. Awe, just be stupid with the rest of us :) I was
called a heretic, so maybe you want to be one too? If he could he would
probably burn us all at the stake.? He calls us things, which in itself
is a denial of who we are in Christ, maybe a denial of the Light all
together. Appointing himself a judge of others. The devil steals our
joy, hope and tries to manipulate the truth for his own ends, we wrestle
not with the flesh. Dave and those that believe as he does are being
deceived but being arrogant they do not see it. The devil has to have an
open area to use, and without continuous prayer and obedience he finds
it. I pray we don't let him have a foot hold in our lives!
Beth
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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04 Jan 2006 06:18:43 PM |
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Quartus wrote:
70AD wrote:
You keep trying to make up words and then make demands,
in order to try to avoid what was said. He stated He
was returning in judgment and said, "this generation"
would see all of what He said fulfilled.
<Quartus raises his hand to ask some questions>
It seems like the whole doctrine stands or falls upon the literal
interpretation of the phrase, "This Generation". I have several
questions to try to understand your literacy, and for clarity I will
refer to "this generation" as the generation that existed in Jesus time,
"Jesus' contemporary generation".
If a literal interpretation be insisted upon for the phrase, 'this
generation':
Matthew 12:39: But he, answering, said to them, A wicked and adulterous
generation seeks after a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it save
the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Jonas preceded the literal generation to whom Jesus was speaking and was
dead. When did Jonas arise from the dead and give a sign during Jesus'
contemporary generation?
****
Matthew 12:42: A queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the ends of the
earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, more than Solomon is here.
We know that the Queen of Sheba who visited Solomon preceded Jesus'
contemporary generation by many generations and was long dead. When did
she rise up from the dead in judgment on them during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 12:41: Ninevites shall stand up in the judgment with this
generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of
Jonas;
We know that the Ninevites of Jonas' day were dead. When these Ninevites
arise from the dead and stand in judgment during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 24: 14,34: And these glad tidings of the kingdom shall be
preached in the whole habitable earth, for a witness to all the nations,
and then shall come the end...Verily I say to you, This generation will
not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
Can you tell me when the preaching of the glad tidings of the kingdom
finally reached the end of the 'whole habitable earth'? (It must have
been before 70AD?)
****
Matthew 24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in
heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the land lament, and they shall
see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Would you affirm that all the tribes of Israel of Jesus' contemporary
generation lamented, and that they literally saw the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and glory?
If so affirmed, would you kindly point me to a historical record which
records this singular event (all tribes lamenting and every person in
all tribes seeing the Son of Man in power and glory)? (The same type of
historical record as can be found for the destruction of the temple in
70AD, like Josephus.)
****
Thanks.
Quartus, a brother
Good points, Quartus...
btw, Chuck Stamford has refuted the "preaching of the gospel to all the
world" as claimed by Pastor Dave (aka Ananias917, 70AD, et al) quite
firmly...
owd
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| User: "70AD" |
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06 Jan 2006 07:07:41 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:18:43 -0800, oldwetdog
<oldwetdog@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
Quartus wrote:
70AD wrote:
You keep trying to make up words and then make demands,
in order to try to avoid what was said. He stated He
was returning in judgment and said, "this generation"
would see all of what He said fulfilled.
<Quartus raises his hand to ask some questions>
It seems like the whole doctrine stands or falls upon the literal
interpretation of the phrase, "This Generation". I have several
questions to try to understand your literacy, and for clarity I will
refer to "this generation" as the generation that existed in Jesus time,
"Jesus' contemporary generation".
If a literal interpretation be insisted upon for the phrase, 'this
generation':
Matthew 12:39: But he, answering, said to them, A wicked and adulterous
generation seeks after a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it save
the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Jonas preceded the literal generation to whom Jesus was speaking and was
dead. When did Jonas arise from the dead and give a sign during Jesus'
contemporary generation?
****
Matthew 12:42: A queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it; for she came from the ends of the
earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, more than Solomon is here.
We know that the Queen of Sheba who visited Solomon preceded Jesus'
contemporary generation by many generations and was long dead. When did
she rise up from the dead in judgment on them during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 12:41: Ninevites shall stand up in the judgment with this
generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of
Jonas;
We know that the Ninevites of Jonas' day were dead. When these Ninevites
arise from the dead and stand in judgment during Jesus' contemporary
generation?
****
Matthew 24: 14,34: And these glad tidings of the kingdom shall be
preached in the whole habitable earth, for a witness to all the nations,
and then shall come the end...Verily I say to you, This generation will
not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
Can you tell me when the preaching of the glad tidings of the kingdom
finally reached the end of the 'whole habitable earth'? (It must have
been before 70AD?)
****
Matthew 24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in
heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the land lament, and they shall
see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Would you affirm that all the tribes of Israel of Jesus' contemporary
generation lamented, and that they literally saw the Son of Man coming
on the clouds of heaven with power and glory?
If so affirmed, would you kindly point me to a historical record which
records this singular event (all tribes lamenting and every person in
all tribes seeing the Son of Man in power and glory)? (The same type of
historical record as can be found for the destruction of the temple in
70AD, like Josephus.)
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Thanks.
Quartus, a brother
Good points, Quartus...
btw, Chuck Stamford has refuted the "preaching of the gospel to all the
world" as claimed by Pastor Dave (aka Ananias917, 70AD, et al) quite
firmly...
Yea, you wish. Keep telling yourself that. :)
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
When Christianity becomes religion,
it leaves the heart hungry.
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