On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:51:45 -0500, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <phf@ghg.net> wrote:

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Take you, for example. You probably understand
how you came to be. You probably accede there
are no almighty beings involved, there, at least not
with your conception.

Go back a few thousand years ago. Same deal, only
humans knew a lot less about their natural world than
you know and humans relied on superstition (make
believe) to explain all unknowns. Today, simply put,
most humans still use make believe to describe all
unknowns, it's just that the unknowns are quite a bit
smaller now than they were then, although the pro-
found nature of the ultimate unknowns still remain as
of yet unanswered even though we know a lot more
about those mysteries than we did back when almighty
beings were conjured up as ultimate answers for all
unknowns.

As for knowing all there is, simply ask yourself how
likely it is that some humans, like you, trying to make
it in a world of unknowns, would create the ultimate
answers (almighty beings) out of human imagination,
fear, and desire? Quite likely, as demonstrated by
the historical record.

Then, ask yourself how likely it is that those ultimate
answers, impossible to reconcile with one another,
created out of human imagination, fear, and desire,
are related to verity? The word "impossible" or the
phrase "you've got to be kidding" should be coming
to mind along about now. If not, if you still desire
almighty beings as ultimate answers after all of the
considerations mentioned, you really must admit
that you aren't all that different than the humans who
created the concepts in the first place, and therein
may reside the answers which you seek, one way
or another.

In other words, human desire for ultimate answers is
unquenchable (unless we come up with naturalistic
answers of a satisfying and fulfilling manner mating
to verity and understandability).

It's just that now that we're free of ignorance of our
natural place in a natural world, we should be able
to overcome our imagination, fear, and desire, face
the reality of our knowledge and lack of knowledge
regarding our natural place in a natural world, and
seek answers that mate to reality rather than myth ...

-or not- ... each of us must choose his/her own
path. May your choice be a wise one, based on
knowledge and search for verity rather than the
old ways (imagination, fear, and desire).

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Hello,

Yes, many do believe that mindless, random chance created all living
things. But just look around the world. When has random chance ever
produced anything as complex as living organisms? If mindless random
chance produced humans, then we should find mountains carved out as
castles, complete with plumbing, etc. But things like that just don't
appear to happen RANDOMLY.

When at the Vegas casinos, have the cards randomly shown the DNA
sequence of the simplest organism? It never happened. Because such a
chance thing would be astronomical, just as it would have been for
living things.

No, common sense and logic dictate some mind behind the origin of
living things. Humans are a result of an INTELLIGENCE. Some may
believe that that intelligence is from aliens from some distance
world, etc. That is up to them. But the point is that the EVIDENCE
points in the direction of a CREATOR, not random chance. The Bible
says it this way. He 3:4,

"For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is
God." (NASB)

Yes, when you see a house do you assume that mindless random events
created it? Of course not. Without even talking to the builders, you
just KNOW that some human created it. But if a house was created by an
intelligence, how much more so, the complex living entities in the
world!

Sincerely, James

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