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"Pastor Frank" |
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30 Apr 2006 04:55:38 PM |
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Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Timothy wrote:
"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
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It must be an epidemic. Christ didn't expand on my statement at all.
He
challenged it's truth.
Well, you can't argue with Him...
True, True, as anyone who has tried quickly discovers
The kindly God who lovingly fashioned each and every one of us and
sprinkled
the sky with shining stars for our delight - that God is, like Santa
Claus, a
myth of childhood, not anything a sane, un-deluded adult could literally
believe in. That God must either be turned into a symbol for something
less
concrete or abandoned altogether.
[Daniel Dennett]
"God and Satan alike are essentially human figures,
the one a projection of ourselves, the other of our enemies."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]
Christ advocates being humane no matter what the reasons not to be.
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
01 May 2006 01:05:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:44542CD9.31B37676@netvigator.com...
Timothy wrote:
"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
news:GSg4g.12618$TK1.11759@fed1read06...
It must be an epidemic. Christ didn't expand on my statement at all.
He
challenged it's truth.
Well, you can't argue with Him...
True, True, as anyone who has tried quickly discovers
The kindly God who lovingly fashioned each and every one of us and
sprinkled
the sky with shining stars for our delight - that God is, like Santa
Claus, a
myth of childhood, not anything a sane, un-deluded adult could literally
believe in. That God must either be turned into a symbol for something
less
concrete or abandoned altogether.
[Daniel Dennett]
"God and Satan alike are essentially human figures,
the one a projection of ourselves, the other of our enemies."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]
Christ advocates being humane no matter what the reasons not to be.
Not quite - it is the propagators of a myth called Christ
that, by applying many other good and bad things, appeal to man's inherent
desire for
being humane, by pretending it is an exclusive prerequisite of their imaginary
Son of a God.
Not quite the same thing Frank.
You see Taoists, Buddhists, members of all religions and atheists,
all have the same desires in roughly equal quantities,
but of course you already knew that.
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
01 May 2006 11:32:46 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4455A495.AB0DCF90@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:44542CD9.31B37676@netvigator.com...
Timothy wrote:
"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
news:GSg4g.12618$TK1.11759@fed1read06...
It must be an epidemic. Christ didn't expand on my statement at
all.
He
challenged it's truth.
Well, you can't argue with Him...
True, True, as anyone who has tried quickly discovers
The kindly God who lovingly fashioned each and every one of us and
sprinkled
the sky with shining stars for our delight - that God is, like Santa
Claus, a
myth of childhood, not anything a sane, un-deluded adult could
literally
believe in. That God must either be turned into a symbol for something
less
concrete or abandoned altogether.
[Daniel Dennett]
"God and Satan alike are essentially human figures,
the one a projection of ourselves, the other of our enemies."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]
Christ advocates being humane no matter what the reasons not to be.
Not quite - it is the propagators of a myth called Christ
that, by applying many other good and bad things, appeal to man's inherent
desire for being humane, by pretending it is an exclusive prerequisite of
their
imaginary Son of a God.
Not quite the same thing Frank.
You see Taoists, Buddhists, members of all religions and atheists,
all have the same desires in roughly equal quantities,
but of course you already knew that.
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining, that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good, which most
of the other belief systems feature.
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and
care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
02 May 2006 01:12:04 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4455A495.AB0DCF90@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:44542CD9.31B37676@netvigator.com...
Timothy wrote:
"Chuck Stamford" <shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote in message
news:GSg4g.12618$TK1.11759@fed1read06...
It must be an epidemic. Christ didn't expand on my statement at
all.
He
challenged it's truth.
Well, you can't argue with Him...
True, True, as anyone who has tried quickly discovers
The kindly God who lovingly fashioned each and every one of us and
sprinkled
the sky with shining stars for our delight - that God is, like Santa
Claus, a
myth of childhood, not anything a sane, un-deluded adult could
literally
believe in. That God must either be turned into a symbol for something
less
concrete or abandoned altogether.
[Daniel Dennett]
"God and Satan alike are essentially human figures,
the one a projection of ourselves, the other of our enemies."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]
Christ advocates being humane no matter what the reasons not to be.
Not quite - it is the propagators of a myth called Christ
that, by applying many other good and bad things, appeal to man's inherent
desire for being humane, by pretending it is an exclusive prerequisite of
their
imaginary Son of a God.
Not quite the same thing Frank.
You see Taoists, Buddhists, members of all religions and atheists,
all have the same desires in roughly equal quantities,
but of course you already knew that.
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining, that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good, which most
of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
You are mixing up the chicken and the egg Frank.
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the time.
But you already know that I reckon.
Don't take me too seriously:-
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest."
[Denis Dioderot 1713-1784]
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and
care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
02 May 2006 06:09:16 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining,
that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your
great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good, which
most
of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
"Groan" indeed. Nobody argues that you can't be good without any
"imaginary deity", that is if you know what good is, without a deity as
paradigm. What makes you think you know what is good in the first place? Is
it because you consult those in authority and/or command respect etc. etc.
Hitler Stalin and a host of other tyrantrs had the respect of people, and
people like you committed atrocities because your ideological leaders said
it was OK.
You are mixing up the chicken and the egg Frank.
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the
time.
But you already know that I reckon.
Don't take me too seriously:-
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of
the last priest."
[Denis Dioderot 1713-1784]
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and
our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and
care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
04 May 2006 12:48:12 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining,
that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your
great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good, which
most
of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
"Groan" indeed. Nobody argues that you can't be good without any
"imaginary deity", that is if you know what good is, without a deity as
paradigm. What makes you think you know what is good in the first place? Is
it because you consult those in authority and/or command respect etc. etc.
Hitler Stalin and a host of other tyrantrs had the respect of people, and
people like you committed atrocities because your ideological leaders said
it was OK.
The above is the perfect example of the low sick level that religionists
descend to when their pitiful mythologies are challenged.
What more than the above do we need to show that atheism is indeed a breath of
fresh air in a world of madness.
An example of this madness is a fellow that calls himself a Pastor coming here
month after month expounding his theory along with vitriolic insults to anyone
that challenges him, that his 'god is love', when he knows very well that if we
could ask his great grand pappy where his god was he would have imagined a grey
bearded old fellow that "Lives up thar, just above them thar clouds, up thar in
heaven"
We hear of people 'moving the goal posts' in order to verify something or
other, well religionists are past masters of the habit, so essential when
trying to justify their myths
<Groan>
You are mixing up the chicken and the egg Frank.
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the
time.
But you already know that I reckon.
Don't take me too seriously:-
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of
the last priest."
[Denis Dioderot 1713-1784]
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and
our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and
care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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04 May 2006 11:56:13 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:44599545.2B63D55F@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining,
that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love
and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your
great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good,
which
most of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
"Groan" indeed. Nobody argues that you can't be good without any
"imaginary deity", that is if you know what good is, without a deity as
paradigm. What makes you think you know what is good in the first place?
Is
it because you consult those in authority and/or command respect etc.
etc.
Hitler Stalin and a host of other tyrantrs had the respect of people, and
people like you committed atrocities because your ideological leaders
said
it was OK.
The above is the perfect example of the low sick level that religionists
descend to when their pitiful mythologies are challenged.
Non sequitur!!! All your sreeching in protest, spitting flames and
calling Christianity a "pitiful mythology" doesn't change the facts as
outlines in my post above.
What more than the above do we need to show that atheism is indeed a
breath of
fresh air in a world of madness.
LOL The only one we see madly jumping up and down in feigned outrage is
you.
An example of this madness is a fellow that calls himself a Pastor coming
here
month after month expounding his theory along with vitriolic insults to
anyone
that challenges him, that his 'god is love', when he knows very well that
if we
could ask his great grand pappy where his god was he would have imagined a
grey
bearded old fellow that "Lives up thar, just above them thar clouds, up
thar in
heaven"
We hear of people 'moving the goal posts' in order to verify something or
other, well religionists are past masters of the habit, so essential when
trying to justify their myths
You are lying about my ancestors who were for the most part staunch
atheists as I was for most of my life. Once you start thinking however, you
will quickly discover, that your atheism rests on false premises.
So start thinking already or post your atheism to atheist groups who
will all agree with you. "fresh air" indeed!!!!!!
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| User: "bob young" |
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05 May 2006 07:36:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:44599545.2B63D55F@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining,
that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love
and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your
great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good,
which
most of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
"Groan" indeed. Nobody argues that you can't be good without any
"imaginary deity", that is if you know what good is, without a deity as
paradigm. What makes you think you know what is good in the first place?
Is
it because you consult those in authority and/or command respect etc.
etc.
Hitler Stalin and a host of other tyrantrs had the respect of people, and
people like you committed atrocities because your ideological leaders
said
it was OK.
The above is the perfect example of the low sick level that religionists
descend to when their pitiful mythologies are challenged.
Non sequitur!!! All your sreeching in protest, spitting flames and
calling Christianity a "pitiful mythology" doesn't change the facts as
outlines in my post above.
What more than the above do we need to show that atheism is indeed a
breath of
fresh air in a world of madness.
LOL The only one we see madly jumping up and down in feigned outrage is
you.
We see fundies like you doing it each time you are asked to prove something and
cannot.
You are Frank a bloody liar and a hypocrite
An example of this madness is a fellow that calls himself a Pastor coming
here
month after month expounding his theory along with vitriolic insults to
anyone
that challenges him, that his 'god is love', when he knows very well that
if we
could ask his great grand pappy where his god was he would have imagined a
grey
bearded old fellow that "Lives up thar, just above them thar clouds, up
thar in
heaven"
We hear of people 'moving the goal posts' in order to verify something or
other, well religionists are past masters of the habit, so essential when
trying to justify their myths
You are lying about my ancestors who were for the most part staunch
atheists as I was for most of my life. Once you start thinking however, you
will quickly discover, that your atheism rests on false premises.
ROFL. Like i said - you are a liar
So start thinking already or post your atheism to atheist groups who
will all agree with you. "fresh air" indeed!!!!!!
cough cough
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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02 May 2006 05:56:38 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Meaning what? Are you reiterating atheist numbsculls maintaining,
that
because other religions advocate doing good, Christ advocacy of love and
doing good is therefore invalid?
However since you list atheists as being of the same mindset as
religionists in their desire to do good, you need to tell us of your
great
atheists advocator and motivator, if not paradigm for doing good, which
most
of the other belief systems feature.
Groan - you numbskulls cannot understand
that human beings can be good and kind to one another
without an imaginary deity.
You are mixing up the chicken and the egg Frank.
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the
time.
But you already know that I reckon.
Don't take me too seriously:-
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of
the last priest."
[Denis Dioderot 1713-1784]
Being humane is not a function of logic, nor reason, but of love, and
our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16). Anyone demonstrating love and
care
therefore demonstrates our Christian God, which ideally is to be "a
projection of ourselves" indeed!!!!
Is Bertie given to emphasise the obvious, or is he?
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
03 May 2006 09:22:57 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the
time. But you already know that I reckon. Don't take me too seriously:-
Is "common decency" your god / ideal then? Define "common decency",
enshrine it in stories of your paradigms of "common decency" and start
advocating it. You will have a hard time getting your doctrine disseminated
and accepted without teachers / priests.
We Christians think that common decency is part and parcel of love, and
our "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16), something you dispute. Just trashing
Christ's advocacy of "common decency" AKA godly behaviour hardly supports
your case.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
04 May 2006 12:38:04 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of the
time. But you already know that I reckon. Don't take me too seriously:-
Is "common decency" your god / ideal then? Define "common decency",
enshrine it in stories of your paradigms of "common decency" and start
advocating it. You will have a hard time getting your doctrine disseminated
and accepted without teachers / priests.
Yes Common decency certainly is my ideal and i am not prepared to spend two
hours writing a thesis on common decency covering all of it's aspects just to
have a one liner back from a religionist with another cute answer.
Instead, you define your god, show that all the manifestations of religions
the claptrap and parafinalia that goes with it
were not designed by men; but put there by a god.
Go on, have a try.
Before you do so remember,
I am not blinkered into challenging one god, the god of Christianity -
I challenge them all
We Christians think that common decency is part and parcel of love, and
our "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16), something you dispute. Just trashing
Christ's advocacy of "common decency" AKA godly behaviour hardly supports
your case.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Difficulty in handling certain quotes. |
04 May 2006 11:59:57 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:445992D2.B243F4CA@netvigator.com...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:4456F7D1.2750E77C@netvigator.com...
Common decency, or the quest for it, came first in early times
these commendable human desires were then hijacked by the priests of
the
time. But you already know that I reckon. Don't take me too seriously:-
Is "common decency" your god / ideal then? Define "common decency",
enshrine it in stories of your paradigms of "common decency" and start
advocating it. You will have a hard time getting your doctrine
disseminated
and accepted without teachers / priests.
Yes Common decency certainly is my ideal and i am not prepared to spend
two
hours writing a thesis on common decency covering all of it's aspects just
to
have a one liner back from a religionist with another cute answer.
Instead, you define your god, show that all the manifestations of
religions
the claptrap and parafinalia that goes with it
were not designed by men; but put there by a god.
Go on, have a try.
Before you do so remember,
I am not blinkered into challenging one god, the god of Christianity -
I challenge them all
We Christians think that common decency is part and parcel of love,
and
our "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16), something you dispute. Just trashing
Christ's advocacy of "common decency" AKA godly behaviour hardly supports
your case.
I gave you my answer in the 4 lines above this, and which you ignored,
for you are married to your atheism, no logic, nor common sense required.
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