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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
" ::: good news runner :::" |
| Date: |
15 Jan 2008 08:56:47 PM |
| Object: |
Re: Divisions |
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why do
you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about coffee and
cake with the imbeciles?
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing that
Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone who is a
false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the first time in the
flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called, but
that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have said
this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have full
days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT more
lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible bodies
to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we will
someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus forever.
That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street. For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly understand -
so I place in God my faith that He has it all under control and refuse
to enter into arguments over when, how, where and why.
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
.
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| User: "Randy ®" |
|
| Title: Re: Divisions |
16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 AM |
|
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e1U1@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why do
you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about coffee and
cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing that
Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone who is a
false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the first time in the
flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called, but
that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have said
this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have full
days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT more
lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible bodies
to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we will
someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus forever.
That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly understand -
so I place in God my faith that He has it all under control and refuse
to enter into arguments over when, how, where and why.
....Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you, and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
.
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| User: "Randy ®" |
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| Title: Re: Divisions |
16 Jan 2008 10:44:06 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 -0600,
in article <9c6so3161okamopr29mt7kfl3ear29shhj@4ax.com>,
Randy ® <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e1U1@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why do
you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about coffee and
cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing that
Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone who is a
false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the first time in the
flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called, but
that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have said
this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have full
days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT more
lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible bodies
to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we will
someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus forever.
That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly understand -
so I place in God my faith that He has it all under control and refuse
to enter into arguments over when, how, where and why.
...Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you, and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
Note: I was responding to Feather's comments in this post.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
.
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| User: " ::: good news runner :::" |
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| Title: Re: Divisions |
16 Jan 2008 05:33:11 PM |
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In
news:ddde1888-b6c2-4efc-b3a4-4e343644a7bf@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
NOTE: REMOVED ALL CROSS POSTS SINCE GOOGLE WON'T LET ME CROSSPOST TO
MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE AND SINCE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS POSTED ONLY
TO ACC
NO PROBLEM - I CAN FORWARD IT WITH MY REMARKS BELOW.
On Jan 16, 8:44 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 -0600,
in article <9c6so3161okamopr29mt7kfl3ear29s...@4ax.com>,
Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e...@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below:
Why do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de:::::::
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm:::::::
http://www.e-sword.net:::::::
http://alpha.org/default.asp:::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing
that Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone
who is a false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the
first time in the flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called,
but that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have
said this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have
full days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT
more lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible
bodies to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we
will someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus
forever. That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
I promote it only for myself, and not to try to lead anyone into
believing anything else, Randy. As I stated: SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS WHAT
YOU SAY (all caps for emphasis only - I was not shouting at you). :)
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly
understand - so I place in God my faith that He has it all under
control and refuse to enter into arguments over when, how, where
and why.
...Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
The only ROOM that *I* have power to make is to skip it entirely. I
don't want to read arguments and refuse to jump into them anymore,
Randy.
Besides: HOW can I 'make room' in a free, unmoderated forum where
everyone is free to post whatever they will?
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
It boggles the mind how that got started, as you well know, my intent
was not to make you out to be a liar. I haven't gone back and read
those, either.
I won't. WHY dredge up the past? (I am asking this of myself, and any
others who might feel it is important to do so).
It is so funny that YOU do not want to drag up the past with regard to
you, while you do not have a problem with the past that was even longer
ago but with regard to me. You are a pypocrite, Jezebel. Proof - posted
only yesterday by you:
news:306c6306-34a9-4aa7-9997-f82d31f0e507@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
But you side with someone
who has taken a stand against me since about the first six months of
my posting here - and I don't even want to know why.
Funny, eh?
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
HUH? I don't **agree** with preterism; I merely found it, at one time,
interesting. I wanted to read more of the perspectives of preterism
and see how they arrived at their conclusions. I still believe that
Christ's Kingdom is on earth and IS TO COME at the same time. There's
just too much unrest and injustice in the world to say that His
Kingdom has been firmly and completely established yet - though He DID
say "The Kingdom of God is within you," but He also said how we should
pray: "Thy Kingdom COME, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in
Heaven. . ." which means to me that the Kingdom hasn't quite yet been
fully established.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you,
Chris nearly killed me? That was my husband's name. He wasn't a 'bad
boy,' he just had some problems that I won't go into here. . .and we
weren't able to work them out. I think you have my youngest son's
father confused with my ex husband. I was never married to my youngest
son's father.
and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
Completely OFF guess. The only person who's gotten ONE thing right
about me lately, oddly enough, is Vera, when she said I was
hypersensitive. I am, but not about what SHE thinks :)
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
Note: I was responding to Feather's comments in this post.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).- Hide
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God bless you Randy, may you continue to walk in His Way,
Feather
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Correction:
I did not mean you are a "pypocrite", but a "hypocrite"!
In news:5v7ihoF1l05a3U1@mid.individual.net,
::: good news runner ::: <veralein@lycos.com> typed:
In
news:ddde1888-b6c2-4efc-b3a4-4e343644a7bf@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
NOTE: REMOVED ALL CROSS POSTS SINCE GOOGLE WON'T LET ME CROSSPOST TO
MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE AND SINCE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS POSTED ONLY
TO ACC
NO PROBLEM - I CAN FORWARD IT WITH MY REMARKS BELOW.
On Jan 16, 8:44 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 -0600,
in article <9c6so3161okamopr29mt7kfl3ear29s...@4ax.com>,
Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e...@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below:
Why do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de:::::::
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm:::::::
http://www.e-sword.net:::::::
http://alpha.org/default.asp:::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing
that Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone
who is a false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the
first time in the flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him
to call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't
called, but that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have
said this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have
full days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT
more lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said,
I simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible
bodies to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we
will someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus
forever. That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
I promote it only for myself, and not to try to lead anyone into
believing anything else, Randy. As I stated: SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS WHAT
YOU SAY (all caps for emphasis only - I was not shouting at you). :)
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly
understand - so I place in God my faith that He has it all under
control and refuse to enter into arguments over when, how, where
and why.
...Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
The only ROOM that *I* have power to make is to skip it entirely. I
don't want to read arguments and refuse to jump into them anymore,
Randy.
Besides: HOW can I 'make room' in a free, unmoderated forum where
everyone is free to post whatever they will?
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
It boggles the mind how that got started, as you well know, my intent
was not to make you out to be a liar. I haven't gone back and read
those, either.
I won't. WHY dredge up the past? (I am asking this of myself, and any
others who might feel it is important to do so).
It is so funny that YOU do not want to drag up the past with regard to
you, while you do not have a problem with the past that was even
longer ago but with regard to me. You are a pypocrite, Jezebel. Proof
- posted only yesterday by you:
news:306c6306-34a9-4aa7-9997-f82d31f0e507@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
But you side with someone
who has taken a stand against me since about the first six months of
my posting here - and I don't even want to know why.
Funny, eh?
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
HUH? I don't **agree** with preterism; I merely found it, at one
time, interesting. I wanted to read more of the perspectives of
preterism and see how they arrived at their conclusions. I still
believe that Christ's Kingdom is on earth and IS TO COME at the same
time. There's just too much unrest and injustice in the world to say
that His Kingdom has been firmly and completely established yet -
though He DID say "The Kingdom of God is within you," but He also
said how we should pray: "Thy Kingdom COME, Thy will be done, on
earth as it is in Heaven. . ." which means to me that the Kingdom
hasn't quite yet been fully established.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you,
Chris nearly killed me? That was my husband's name. He wasn't a 'bad
boy,' he just had some problems that I won't go into here. . .and we
weren't able to work them out. I think you have my youngest son's
father confused with my ex husband. I was never married to my
youngest son's father.
and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
Completely OFF guess. The only person who's gotten ONE thing right
about me lately, oddly enough, is Vera, when she said I was
hypersensitive. I am, but not about what SHE thinks :)
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
Note: I was responding to Feather's comments in this post.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).- Hide
quoted text -
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God bless you Randy, may you continue to walk in His Way,
Feather
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16 Jan 2008 06:54:02 PM |
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:33:11 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In
news:ddde1888-b6c2-4efc-b3a4-4e343644a7bf@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
NOTE: REMOVED ALL CROSS POSTS SINCE GOOGLE WON'T LET ME CROSSPOST TO
MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE AND SINCE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS POSTED ONLY
TO ACC
NO PROBLEM - I CAN FORWARD IT WITH MY REMARKS BELOW.
On Jan 16, 8:44 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 -0600,
in article <9c6so3161okamopr29mt7kfl3ear29s...@4ax.com>,
Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e...@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below:
Why do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de:::::::
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm:::::::
http://www.e-sword.net:::::::
http://alpha.org/default.asp:::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing
that Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone
who is a false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the
first time in the flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called,
but that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have
said this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have
full days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT
more lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible
bodies to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we
will someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus
forever. That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
I promote it only for myself, and not to try to lead anyone into
believing anything else, Randy. As I stated: SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS WHAT
YOU SAY (all caps for emphasis only - I was not shouting at you). :)
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly
understand - so I place in God my faith that He has it all under
control and refuse to enter into arguments over when, how, where
and why.
...Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
The only ROOM that *I* have power to make is to skip it entirely. I
don't want to read arguments and refuse to jump into them anymore,
Randy.
Besides: HOW can I 'make room' in a free, unmoderated forum where
everyone is free to post whatever they will?
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
It boggles the mind how that got started, as you well know, my intent
was not to make you out to be a liar. I haven't gone back and read
those, either.
I won't. WHY dredge up the past? (I am asking this of myself, and any
others who might feel it is important to do so).
It is so funny that YOU do not want to drag up the past with regard to
you, while you do not have a problem with the past that was even longer
ago but with regard to me. You are a pypocrite, Jezebel. Proof - posted
only yesterday by you:
Sorry to but in but ""pypocrite"' LOL
news:306c6306-34a9-4aa7-9997-f82d31f0e507@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
But you side with someone
who has taken a stand against me since about the first six months of
my posting here - and I don't even want to know why.
Funny, eh?
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
HUH? I don't **agree** with preterism; I merely found it, at one time,
interesting. I wanted to read more of the perspectives of preterism
and see how they arrived at their conclusions. I still believe that
Christ's Kingdom is on earth and IS TO COME at the same time. There's
just too much unrest and injustice in the world to say that His
Kingdom has been firmly and completely established yet - though He DID
say "The Kingdom of God is within you," but He also said how we should
pray: "Thy Kingdom COME, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in
Heaven. . ." which means to me that the Kingdom hasn't quite yet been
fully established.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you,
Chris nearly killed me? That was my husband's name. He wasn't a 'bad
boy,' he just had some problems that I won't go into here. . .and we
weren't able to work them out. I think you have my youngest son's
father confused with my ex husband. I was never married to my youngest
son's father.
and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
Completely OFF guess. The only person who's gotten ONE thing right
about me lately, oddly enough, is Vera, when she said I was
hypersensitive. I am, but not about what SHE thinks :)
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
Note: I was responding to Feather's comments in this post.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
God bless you Randy, may you continue to walk in His Way,
Feather
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
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| Title: Re: Divisions |
16 Jan 2008 08:05:17 PM |
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In news:6n9to3h3kdkr7j0brqahio1nu0c4hqfrng@4ax.com,
...MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:33:11 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In
news:ddde1888-b6c2-4efc-b3a4-4e343644a7bf@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
NOTE: REMOVED ALL CROSS POSTS SINCE GOOGLE WON'T LET ME CROSSPOST TO
MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE AND SINCE MY ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS POSTED ONLY
TO ACC
NO PROBLEM - I CAN FORWARD IT WITH MY REMARKS BELOW.
On Jan 16, 8:44 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:18:18 -0600,
in article <9c6so3161okamopr29mt7kfl3ear29s...@4ax.com>,
Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100,
in article <5v5a3gF1l37e...@mid.individual.net>,
" ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below:
Why do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk
about coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de:::::::
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm:::::::
http://www.e-sword.net:::::::
http://alpha.org/default.asp:::::::
In
news:bb43d17b-fce6-428b-a8c3-ddeb731d09b4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing
that Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone
who is a false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the
first time in the flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. ?2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him
to call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't
called, but that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have
said this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have
full days at home and working at the church (which has been A
LOT more lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not
said, I simply cannot go back and read about the raising of
corruptible bodies to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we
will someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with
Jesus forever. That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation -
and eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street.
The people who promote the idea it's all too confusing to
understand, are usually the ones who need people to believe
that, before they can pass off their eschatological
perversions.
I promote it only for myself, and not to try to lead anyone into
believing anything else, Randy. As I stated: SCRIPTURE SUPPORTS WHAT
YOU SAY (all caps for emphasis only - I was not shouting at you). :)
For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly
understand - so I place in God my faith that He has it all under
control and refuse to enter into arguments over when, how, where
and why.
...Until someone gets cornered as an heretick, at which time
you will come rushing to the defense of "fairness", to try and
make room for them. If you were really trying to avoid
arguments, promote peace, and be "fair", you would just ignore
both sides, instead of playing heretick's advocate, every time
they get cornered.
The only ROOM that *I* have power to make is to skip it entirely. I
don't want to read arguments and refuse to jump into them anymore,
Randy.
Besides: HOW can I 'make room' in a free, unmoderated forum where
everyone is free to post whatever they will?
For example, you did this with Glenn, with the result that it
motivated and energized him to twist your words into a 15
part, month-long campaign, in which he continuously posted
articles titled to the to the effect "Feather Proves Randy Is
A Liar (Part 1, 2, 3....15, etc.)".
It boggles the mind how that got started, as you well know, my
intent was not to make you out to be a liar. I haven't gone back
and read those, either.
I won't. WHY dredge up the past? (I am asking this of myself, and
any others who might feel it is important to do so).
It is so funny that YOU do not want to drag up the past with regard
to you, while you do not have a problem with the past that was even
longer ago but with regard to me. You are a pypocrite, Jezebel.
Proof - posted only yesterday by you:
Sorry to but in but ""pypocrite"' LOL
Never mind. I also found this very funny. :-DDD
I have already corrected it. :-)
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Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
But you side with someone
who has taken a stand against me since about the first six months
of my posting here - and I don't even want to know why.
Funny, eh?
When you know that this kind of thing will result from you
speaking out in agreement with any little claim they make, and
you do it anyway, you are not trying to put an end to
arguments and promote peace, but are knowingly contributing to
their blasphemous attacks against christians.
HUH? I don't **agree** with preterism; I merely found it, at one
time, interesting. I wanted to read more of the perspectives of
preterism and see how they arrived at their conclusions. I still
believe that Christ's Kingdom is on earth and IS TO COME at the
same time. There's just too much unrest and injustice in the world
to say that His Kingdom has been firmly and completely established
yet - though He DID say "The Kingdom of God is within you," but He
also said how we should pray: "Thy Kingdom COME, Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven. . ." which means to me that the
Kingdom hasn't quite yet been fully established.
It seems to me you may have some kind of bad-boy syndrome. You
married some guy who nearly killed you,
Chris nearly killed me? That was my husband's name. He wasn't a 'bad
boy,' he just had some problems that I won't go into here. . .and we
weren't able to work them out. I think you have my youngest son's
father confused with my ex husband. I was never married to my
youngest son's father.
and now, in here, it
seems you frequently try to make room for the bad-boys. I
don't know if you like being abused, if it helps you feel
better about yourself to associate with bad-boys, if you are
so scared of people who abuse you that you feel like you have
to play their advocate, or what. That's not a conclusion,
it's just me hazarding a guess.
Completely OFF guess. The only person who's gotten ONE thing right
about me lately, oddly enough, is Vera, when she said I was
hypersensitive. I am, but not about what SHE thinks :)
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
Note: I was responding to Feather's comments in this post.
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thought to make it obedient to Christ. ?2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
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God bless you Randy, may you continue to walk in His Way,
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<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why do
you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about coffee and
cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I am
right of course LOL.
God Bless You Sister
Matt
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Feather <feather@earthling.net> typed:
On Jan 15, 8:03 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:43:03 -0800 (PST),
in article
<7d12c8bf-464a-48ce-913f-afed0c80a...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
That being said, I don't believe that someone else believing that
Jesus has already come and set up His Kingdom is someone who is a
false teacher UNLESS they deny that Jesus came the first time in the
flesh.
Because it is indisputable it has not occurred yet, Dave is
forced to reject, deny, and labor to pervert the fact our
mortal, corruptible bodies are what God will raise from the
dead, and transform, so that they will not remain corrupting
in the grave, when we are resurrected (1 Cor. 15; Php. 3:21).
Thus, he denies the bodily resurrection of the saints (oh, I
know he labors with long filibusters to confuse, twist, and
pervert the doctrine to make it sound like he is complying
with Scripture, but his lying fabrications, false teaching,
and confusion couldn't be more obvious). 1 Corinthians 15
says that if the dead rise not (and it is specifically talking
about the bodily resurrection of our dead bodies), then Christ
be not risen, and our hope is in vain.
Again, because it is indisputable it has not ocurred yet, Dave
is also forced to reject, deny, and pervert the doctrine that
Christ will return in the flesh. The definition of "coming",
may also include Christ's future return:
2 John 1:7 ¶ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Denying, rejecting, and laboring intensely to pervert and
confuse the doctrine of the bodily resurrection of the saints,
and bodily return of Christ to earth, IS false teaching, and
heresy.
Now, it wouldn't be surprising if he contacted you in e-mail,
and on the phone, to seduce you, so you'll continue trying to
make room for him and his heresy in here, under the guise of
being "fair". The net effect will only promote unity among
those who are prepared to sacrifice truth. For the rest, it
will promote contention, especially as such support will
embolden the proclamation of error, and the resulting
responses from those who prefer the truth.
I'd rather have people being hot and cold for the truth, than
get sucked into a puke-warm coffee klatch, for the sake of
unity centered around the acceptance of doctrinal error.
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Honestly, Randy,
Dave and I haven't spoken on the phone in months. I did ask him to
call me, but it wasn't to talk about preterism. He hasn't called, but
that's alright.
Meantime: I don't know everything he's ever posted here; I have said
this before: I don't have TIME to read everything here.
I try to limit my time online to evening's only because I have full
days at home and working at the church (which has been A LOT more
lately) and in dealing with every day life. :)
So while you write about what he's supposedly said and not said, I
simply cannot go back and read about the raising of corruptible bodies
to glorified bodies and will simply say this:
Scripture supports what you say. I do not deny it. I believe we will
someday be raised with incorruptible bodies to be with Jesus forever.
That's a future hope I cling to.
I cannot say that he has denied that Jesus Christ has come in the
flesh. Nor can I say that he has denied Christ.
All I can say is that God is Sovereign over ALL of Creation - and
eschatological research is, for me, a dead end street. For me, it has
led to getting hyped up over stuff I don't really truly understand -
so I place in God my faith that He has it all under control and refuse
to enter into arguments over when, how, where and why.
God bless and keep you,
Lisa (Feather)
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
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16 Jan 2008 06:07:46 AM |
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In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
...MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel, because
she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I am
right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of importance
cares what a Christian imitator might say? You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the Jezebels
or Mark Ts of this world.
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17 Jan 2008 11:37:37 AM |
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On Jan 16, 4:07=EF=BF=BDam, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>=
wrote:
Innews:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1...@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. =EF=BF=BDV=
era
Six has lost. =EF=BF=BDI do not remember why she is calling you names , =
=EF=BF=BDbut
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel, because
she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. =EF=BF=BDI=
am
right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of importance
cares what a Christian imitator might say? You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the Jezebels
or Mark Ts of this world.
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The "spirit of Jezebel" is one who is lawless...Follow G-d's laws?
Have you ever read the actual account of Jezebel?
Debra
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16 Jan 2008 11:15:24 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0100, " ::: good news runner
:::" <veralein@lycos.com> said the following:
In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel, because
she has the spirit of Jezebel.
So if I call you "the ***** of Babylon", you won't be upset,
right?
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16 Jan 2008 09:18:42 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel, because
she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I am
right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of importance
cares what a Christian imitator might say?
All are important to God.
You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the Jezebels
or Mark Ts of this world.
Playing around? I surrendered myself to God more years ago than I
care to remember.
I also did not say I agree with what everyone post just their right to
post.
When I here you I wonder what the public library would look like if
you really had any power. Small very Small. Only books you agree
with allowed.
God Bless
Matt
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16 Jan 2008 09:44:07 AM |
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In news:im7so39ibhjsbibbohj9s4tjrhpeq8ek3l@4ax.com,
...MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel,
because she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I am
right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of
importance cares what a Christian imitator might say?
All are important to God.
Did I say I am God?
I mean those who are of importance because of their Spiritual point of
view.
You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the
Jezebels or Mark Ts of this world.
Playing around? I surrendered myself to God more years ago than I
care to remember.
I pretty much doubt about that. Or you have really no idea of what God's
Word says. Why do you not ask for it, but pick out what you please? Or
are you really just misguided by some others here? Maybe you should try
to find a good church again, where you can learn about God's Word. You
deny it from the Christians here, and you take it from the blasphemers.
No, do not come up with crying we have to be tolerant towards ANYTHING.
Fact is we are to avoid people who do not come with a sound doctrine.
By the way, the Southern Baptists whom I have met online were all very
decent and Godly people.
I also did not say I agree with what everyone post just their right to
post.
Matt, how could anyone deny the right to post to a free and unmoderated
newsgroup - as long as people keep the law?
When I here you I wonder what the public library would look like if
you really had any power. Small very Small. Only books you agree
with allowed.
You are biased, and I do not know on what you base your prejudice.
Until today you have not really been able to explain your hate towards
me right from the beginning. None of your accusations against me were of
any substance. Yet you behave as if I had given you a reason to hate me.
In fact it was you who attacked me for nothing, and you have been too
proud to admit that for over four years. I have given you several
chances, ad you should regard this post as one, too.
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16 Jan 2008 10:28:03 AM |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:44:07 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:im7so39ibhjsbibbohj9s4tjrhpeq8ek3l@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below: Why
do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk about
coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies. Vera
Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you names , but
that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel,
because she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I am
right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of
importance cares what a Christian imitator might say?
All are important to God.
Did I say I am God?
No and I did not say you had.
I mean those who are of importance because of their Spiritual point of
view.
Well those who do not have Christ today might tomorrow so I think
Christ came for all of us, not just your little group of ""Those who
are of importance""
You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the
Jezebels or Mark Ts of this world.
Playing around? I surrendered myself to God more years ago than I
care to remember.
I pretty much doubt about that. Or you have really no idea of what God's
Word says. Why do you not ask for it, but pick out what you please? Or
are you really just misguided by some others here? Maybe you should try
to find a good church again, where you can learn about God's Word. You
deny it from the Christians here, and you take it from the blasphemers.
No, do not come up with crying we have to be tolerant towards ANYTHING.
Fact is we are to avoid people who do not come with a sound doctrine.
I do go to Church almost every week sometimes twice. . I enjoy going
to different denominations. Learn much about people that way.
By the way, the Southern Baptists whom I have met online were all very
decent and Godly people.
Yes you would agree that to teach 10 and 12 year old children that God
want homosexuals killed is a goo thing. Wonder what would have
happened if the Children had gone out and killed because they were
told it was sound doctrine. Is that what you teach your son?
I also did not say I agree with what everyone post just their right to
post.
Matt, how could anyone deny the right to post to a free and unmoderated
newsgroup - as long as people keep the law?
True.
When I here you I wonder what the public library would look like if
you really had any power. Small very Small. Only books you agree
with allowed.
You are biased, and I do not know on what you base your prejudice.
I do not believe I am biased. As I have seen in you it is hard to
judge yourself and I also seem to have that problem at times.
Until today you have not really been able to explain your hate towards
me right from the beginning. None of your accusations against me were of
any substance. Yet you behave as if I had given you a reason to hate me.
In fact it was you who attacked me for nothing, and you have been too
proud to admit that for over four years. I have given you several
chances, ad you should regard this post as one, too.
Like I have said over and over I hate no one. Disapprove maybe,
Disagree with for sure.
I ask anyone on these other NG if you want to see how Vera is not the
victim just go to alt.christnet.christianlife and see how she follows
people from thread to thread.
Now none of us here are perfect. I know I'm not and I do not expect
anyone to be perfect. I do hope with time and patience we can get
many to come to Christ. I just do not think it can be done with a
hammer or by force. I think the below says it all
Romans 14
1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on
disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything,
but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man
who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the
man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for
God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord
is able to make him stand.
God Bless You All
Matt
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Romans 14
1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on
disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything,
but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man
who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the
man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for
God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord
is able to make him stand.
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16 Jan 2008 12:13:23 PM |
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In news:2vaso31ot3o24iho43tekkoete6u75lusv@4ax.com,
...MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:44:07 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:im7so39ibhjsbibbohj9s4tjrhpeq8ek3l@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:07:46 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:nk3ro311r1lf3gntdfvdn0tq1ju4c12dq1@4ax.com,
..MattBr.. <trdell1234@nos.gmail.com > typed:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:56:47 +0100, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Jezebel,
If you have no idea of what you are talking as you claim below:
Why do you not shut up and restrict your online time to talk
about coffee and cake with the imbeciles?
Feather when a person has to result to name calling and lies.
Vera Six has lost. I do not remember why she is calling you
names , but that isn't important.
Matt, I am not calling her "names" - I am calling her Jezebel,
because she has the spirit of Jezebel.
I consider you a good Christian even if we do not agree 100%. I
am right of course LOL.
Of course you are right - from your point of view. But who of
importance cares what a Christian imitator might say?
All are important to God.
Did I say I am God?
No and I did not say you had.
But I was speaking of those of importance to me with regard to their
Spiritual views. You see, it is of NO importance what a Jezebel might
write here, or what her friends might think. If you want to continue to
deliberately misunderstand me, just go on. You look rather silly with
it, though.
I mean those who are of importance because of their Spiritual point
of view.
Well those who do not have Christ today might tomorrow so I think
Christ came for all of us, not just your little group of ""Those who
are of importance""
Sure - he came and dies for us all - but He also warns us of false
teachers and blasphemers. Why do you ignore these parts of Scripture?
You pick out what you like, that is it, but you are not really
interested in God's Word.
You are playing around, Matt.
Humble yourself and surrender to God, not to the McClaries, the
Jezebels or Mark Ts of this world.
Playing around? I surrendered myself to God more years ago than I
care to remember.
I pretty much doubt about that. Or you have really no idea of what
God's Word says. Why do you not ask for it, but pick out what you
please? Or are you really just misguided by some others here? Maybe
you should try to find a good church again, where you can learn
about God's Word. You deny it from the Christians here, and you take
it from the blasphemers. No, do not come up with crying we have to
be tolerant towards ANYTHING. Fact is we are to avoid people who do
not come with a sound doctrine.
I do go to Church almost every week sometimes twice. . I enjoy going
to different denominations. Learn much about people that way.
... while you should learn more about God and God's Word.
By the way, the Southern Baptists whom I have met online were all
very decent and Godly people.
Yes you would agree that to teach 10 and 12 year old children that God
want homosexuals killed is a goo thing. Wonder what would have
happened if the Children had gone out and killed because they were
told it was sound doctrine. Is that what you teach your son?
That is just another of your wicked implication and putting words into
my mouth. You are very dishonest, Matt.
God will not accept unrepentant sinners who *teach* that sin is okay
with God. It is not.
That is the truth, and that is what I will teach to whomever needs to
hear it.
I also did not say I agree with what everyone post just their right
to post.
Matt, how could anyone deny the right to post to a free and
unmoderated newsgroup - as long as people keep the law?
True.
When I here you I wonder what the public library would look like if
you really had any power. Small very Small. Only books you agree
with allowed.
You are biased, and I do not know on what you base your prejudice.
I do not believe I am biased. As I have seen in you it is hard to
judge yourself and I also seem to have that problem at times.
Until today you have not really been able to explain your hate
towards me right from the beginning. None of your accusations
against me were of any substance. Yet you behave as if I had given
you a reason to hate me. In fact it was you who attacked me for
nothing, and you have been too proud to admit that for over four
years. I have given you several chances, ad you should regard this
post as one, too.
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