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22 Oct 2006 03:30:51 AM |
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Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
"Clyde" <cmdaven@usit.net> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is very simple yet compelling evidence that no gods exist except in
man's imagination.
Bill,
By scientific reasoning, of course you are absolutely right. However,
of the six billion, about 90% believe in a god or gods to some degree.
Are we saying that 90% of all people in the world are hoplessly
ignorant? Surely not. Personally, I think that there is something
scientific to discerned from this conundrum. See
You are rattling the atheist cage, Clyde. The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90% religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
22 Oct 2006 04:35:14 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Clyde" <cmdaven@usit.net> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is very simple yet compelling evidence that no gods exist except
in
man's imagination.
Bill,
By scientific reasoning, of course you are absolutely right. However,
of the six billion, about 90% believe in a god or gods to some degree.
Are we saying that 90% of all people in the world are hoplessly
ignorant? Surely not. Personally, I think that there is something
scientific to discerned from this conundrum. See
You are rattling the atheist cage, Clyde. The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations
and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90%
religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
In your usual irrational unsubstantiated OPINION!
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| User: "Russ Scudder" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? Just ask God |
22 Oct 2006 06:27:22 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Clyde" <cmdaven@usit.net> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:
There is very simple yet compelling evidence that no gods exist except
in
man's imagination.
Bill,
By scientific reasoning, of course you are absolutely right. However,
of the six billion, about 90% believe in a god or gods to some degree.
Are we saying that 90% of all people in the world are hoplessly
ignorant? Surely not. Personally, I think that there is something
scientific to discerned from this conundrum. See
You are rattling the atheist cage, Clyde. The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations
and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90%
religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
In your usual irrational unsubstantiated OPINION!
Why not just ask God? A Martyr's Challenge is possible
American Jewish Congress didn't respond, Council on American-Islamic
Relations didn't respond, Muslim American Society didn't respond, Jim Walton
didn't respond, Jonathan Klein didn't respond, Susan M. Bunda didn't
respond, Larry King didn't respond, Paula Zahn didn't respond, Erica Hill
didn't respond, Pope Benedict XVI didn't respond, Dr. Robert H. Schuller
didn't respond, President Gordon B. Hinckley didn't respond, Billy Graham
didn't respond, Jerry Falwell didn't respond, Pat Robertson didn't respond,
Glenn Beck ????
If there is an authority, it is God, where is your faith, and why don't you
trust Him to give you an answer???
The enclosed Martyr's Challenge was first purposed in 2002 as a way to
reduce the escalating religious violence, stop the misguided Martyrs, stop
the rush to war, and focus attention on the underlying causes of the current
war which is being fought throughout the world.
We have the technical knowledge and the systems in place to conduct a global
Martyr's Challenge which would include live simultaneous broadcasts of the
challenge to all corners of the world. All people in all countries, and
followers of all faiths, would hear the challenge and see the results at the
same time. All people would hear the call to prayer and pray for a response
from God at the same time. A Martyr's Challenge lasting thirty days with
live broadcasts every twelve hours would ensure that all people, even in the
remotest locations on earth, would be aware of the challenge and able to
participate in the challenge.
I hereby ask you to consider the following questions:
1. Does God care about the human race?
2. Does God control the destiny of the human race?
3. Does God answer the prayers of true believers and true followers of God's
chosen path?
4. Would God respond to a formal Martyr's Challenge lasting thirty days and
thirty nights and including all of humanity?
5. If a suicide bomber knew God wasn't listening and that he wasn't going to
go to Paradise, would he still strap on the suicide vest or climb behind the
wheel of a suicide vehicle?
No one has ever changed the world by following the religious or political
dogma of the day.
If you want the answers, I request your support for a formal Martyr's
Challenge. Write: Jim Walton, Jonathan Klein, Susan M. Bunda - CNN World
Headquarters, Atlanta, GA
Sincerely,
Russell V. Scudder
A Martyr's Challenge
This is a direct challenge to all would be martyr's in the world, no matter
where you live or what your faith my be. This is a direct challenge to all
true believers in the world, no matter where you live, or what your faith
may be. If you believe in God, that God listens to your prayers, and that
God cares about humanity, I challenge you to come forth and defend those
beliefs as a Defending Martyr offering your life to God for an answer from
God.
This is a Martyr's Challenge, and I am a challenging martyr offering my life
to God so that all of humanity may know God's will.
Lord please hear my plea for I come before you as a challenging martyr,
seeking answers which only you can provide. The human race has been besieged
on all sides by false profits, perverting the word of God for their own
personal glorification and gain. All of these profits claim a special
connection with you, and special insight into your design and your plans for
our future. They move amongst us creating confusion and unrest wherever they
go. They turn brother against brother generating suspicion and fear which
inevitable leads to violence and war.
Our planet is now divided by over a half dozen major religions whose
followers all claim to be the true believers, and the chosen children of
God. Those major religious groups are further divided by thousands of minor
religious sects, all of whom claim to be following your chosen path for
humanity and your will. Each sect in turn viewing all other religious sects
with the suspicion and mistrust, which ultimately leads to increased
violence and war.
Our problems are further compounded by national leaders who are driven by
ambition, greed, and self glorification. Leaders who are far too willing to
invoke the word of God whenever it suits their purpose or furthers their
ambitions. They intertwine their political rhetoric with our religious
traditions and prophecies in order to divide us and further their own
ambitions.
Lord we seek peace and a clear understanding of your will. That is why I
come before you as a challenging martyr offering my life as a vehicle
through which you can clearly and unambiguously communicate your desire to
the human race.
The answer I seek my Lord is "Who amongst us is following the true path
which you have chosen for mankind?"
I ask that you respond to this challenge in the prescribed manner so that
there can be no question that the answer came from you and no question as to
what your desires are.
I challenge all true believers of all faiths to send forward defending
martyrs so that you may clearly communicate your desire to the entire human
race by the method set down in this challenge.
I ask that you inspire true believers from all faiths and all religious
sects to offer themselves as defending martyrs and proof that their faith is
the true faith and that their path is your chosen path for all mankind.
When the defending martyr of the true path of enlightenment has come
forward, I ask that you bring me home by turning my body to dust in one
billionth of a second leaving only my right hand as proof of your deed. In
that exact same nanosecond I ask that you turn the bodies of all defending
martyrs, from the true path of enlightenment, to dust and bring their
spirits home, thereby proving that their profits are the true profits and
their path your chosen path for all humanity. Bringing us home in the
prescribed manor is a feat that only you can preform. Bringing us home in
the exact same nanosecond will be proof that all humanity can clearly
understand.
In the name of all humanity I ask this of you, so that we may all know and
follow the true path of enlightenment and the true profits of God.
In the name of God, and for the sake of all humanity,
Amen
One People, One Destiny
To the people of the world I say this: Who I am, where I am from, and what I
may or may not believe to be true isn't of any importance. I come before you
as a challenging martyr, offering my life in exchange for a simple direct
answer from God. No matter where you were born, no matter what political
philosophy you follow, no matter what religion you believe in, this is about
you, your future, and the future of all humanity.
As a people, we have achieved a level of technical ability that is
unparalleled by any other species. We have reached a level of technical
scientific sophistication which makes it possible for us to either ensure
our survival as a civilized race, or guarantee our own destruction. Our
technical scientific ability has indeed made us one people with one common
destiny, yet we are people divided by religion, politics, and war.
We stand at a crossroads in human history with one path leading to peace and
prosperity that can last for millions of years yet to come. The other path
leads to continued war and destruction which will eventually lead to the end
of the human race.
If we are to survive as a species, we must bring our spiritual understanding
and our political systems into balance with our technical scientific
ability. We must come together as one people with one destiny and end the
continuous cycle of poverty, injustice, violence, and destruction that
threatens our very survival as a species.
Religion in one form or another has always been used to validate our
position, demonize our enemies, and justify the carnage we cause. Every day
another young person straps on a suicide vest or climbs into another suicide
vehicle and kills himself and others in the name of God, believing they have
secured their place in Paradise. Every day another young soldier goes out to
either kill the enemy or die, for God and Country. It is time for God to
give mankind a clear, unambiguous answer as to what his plan for mankind is,
and who amongst us is following the true path of enlightenment.
Every religion teaches us that those, who follow the teachings of their
religion, follow the will of God and are blessed by God. Every religion
teaches us that God answers the prayers of the righteous. If that is true,
God will respond to your prayers, and God will respond to this challenge.
My challenge to you is very simple. For the duration of this challenge, stop
the killing, stop the violence, stack your weapons, and call your people to
prayer. Whatever religion you follow, find the true believer amongst your
flock that have the courage to offer their lives to God as defenders of the
faith. Send forth your Defending Martyrs and pray to God for a sign. If your
prophets are not false, and your leaders have not been deceiving you, God
will answer your prayers. The defending martyr from the true path of
enlightenment will taken up to be with God forever at the exact same time
that God takes my life. If God cares about the destiny of mankind, he will
respond to your prayers, and my body will be turned to dust leaving only my
right hand as proof the challenge has been answered. In the exact same
nanosecond my life is taken, all Defending Martyr's from God's chosen people
will disappear and be taken up to dwell with God for all eternity.
In this Martyr's Challenge, no one commits suicide, and no person kills
another person. The challenging martyr and defending martyrs simply put
their lives into God's hands, we are offering our lives to God as a conduit
through which God can clearly reveal himself to the world. In this Martyr's
Challenge, all of humanity is making a direct request to God, asking for an
answer as to who God's chosen people are, who the true believers and the
keepers of the faith are. If God cares about the human race, listens to our
prayers, and wants mankind to follow the true path of enlightenment, then
surely God will not let the challenge go unanswered.
No matter who you are, no matter where you live, no matter what your
religion is, I ask that you stop whatever you are doing, contact everyone
you know, ask them to participate, raise you voice in prayer, and pray for a
clear unambiguous answer from God. If God answers your prayers, you will
know because I will simply disappear leaving my right hand behind untouched
and undamaged. In the exact same nanosecond that my body is turned to ash
and dust, somewhere in the world, the defending martyrs and followers of God's
chosen path will also disappear, and you will know the path God wants
mankind to follow. God will have taken us home, and you will have a clear
unambiguous answer as to whom the true prophets have been, who God's chosen
leaders are, what form your sectarian governments should take, and which is
the true path to enlightenment and salvation.
If God does not answer this challenge in the prescribed manor within the
prescribed time, no one will die, and the answer to those age-old questions
will still be clear. God favors no one religion over any other, no one
nation over any other, no one person over any other. God is not on anyone's
side in this or any other war that has ever been fought. There has never
been a Covenant between God and any people anywhere on this planet, and no
person rules or prospers because it is God's will. If God does not respond,
the destiny of the human race is in our hands alone and God will not
intervene.
If God does not answers your prayers, the days of sectarian governments,
dictatorships, monarchies, and class based societies must come to an end. If
God will not intervene, there is no Messiah to save the world, and the
future of mankind will be up to mankind alone. If we are to survive, we must
come together as one people with one destiny, equal in the eyes of God. If
God does not respond to this challenge and intervene in this conflict, peace
and justice will only come when we change, and we ensure that all people
everywhere have equal opportunity, with equal rights and equal protection
under the rule of law.
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| User: "Andrew" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
23 Oct 2006 05:51:18 PM |
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On 2006-10-22 22:35:14 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Clyde" <cmdaven@usit.net> wrote in message
news:1161384471.751230.107960@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Bill M wrote:
There is very simple yet compelling evidence that no gods exist except in
man's imagination.
Bill,
By scientific reasoning, of course you are absolutely right. However,
of the six billion, about 90% believe in a god or gods to some degree.
Are we saying that 90% of all people in the world are hoplessly
ignorant? Surely not. Personally, I think that there is something
scientific to discerned from this conundrum. See
You are rattling the atheist cage, Clyde. The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90% religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
In your usual irrational unsubstantiated OPINION!
Bill, try and get this through your head. Granted you cannot prove a
negative ("X" does not exist), but when millions of people say "X does
exist" you have to make an evaluation of the experiences of those
people. The result will be an opinion - not an objective fact.
Sometimes - maybe most of the time - we human beings have to work on
that basis - judgement; not fact. So do scientists. At the moment
millions of dollars are being spent in scientific research on string
theory. There is not one flicker of objective evidence that string
theory is true - welcome to the world of faith in action.
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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22 Oct 2006 11:08:49 AM |
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Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90% religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
I wonder if you even read your own posts. How does "understand something
atheists do not" not reek of the smug belief that believers are intellectually
superior to atheists?
Before worrying about the speck in someone else's eye, you had better attend to
the log in your own.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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22 Oct 2006 05:07:04 PM |
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"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
<33b43$453b2f45$d1d89a4d$2577@PRIMUS.CA>
The whole point of being an
atheist is the justification of calling themselves intellectually
superiority to 90% of humanity, meaning to all those moron religious
believers. It's their raison d'etre, their sole source of self-esteem.
That is why atheists will go into screaming fits of wild accusations
and
flames against anyone who dares to suggest, that perhaps those 90%
religious
morons understand something atheists do not.
I wonder if you even read your own posts. How does "understand something
atheists do not" not reek of the smug belief that believers are
intellectually
superior to atheists?
Before worrying about the speck in someone else's eye, you had better
attend to
the log in your own.
Atheists call Christians superstitious morons, not the other way around.
Christians are not to consider themselves intellectually superior, for our
"God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and love isn't subject to intellectual
deliberations, nor to scientific quantification. That means, everyone
without exception can know God intimately, regardless of intellectual
ability or acuity. See below
Pastor Frank
2Cor:12:9: And my Lord said unto me: My grace is sufficient for thee, for my
strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather
glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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| Title: Re: DOES ANY REAL GOD EXIST? |
22 Oct 2006 09:39:22 PM |
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Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in message
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attend to
the log in your own.
Atheists call Christians superstitious morons, not the other way around.
Yeah right. Christians very often call Atheists "fools", usually by quoting the
verse that says, "The fool has said in his heart there is no god".
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