Zaphod \"stil prez\" wrote:

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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in

===>Sad, but true. Exactly in line with my comments.
Government supplied education is fast becoming a process
of dummification. -- L.

But look at the alternative.

The sure fire was to remedy public educated is to make it
obligatory for all elected officials to send their children to
public schools. Few of them do. Once it involves their own
children, they will change it fast.

--
Wax

My niece just graduated yesterday from high school with a 4.0+ grade

average, she had taken college classes from the time she was a jr. She

full scholarship to a university out there in Ca. and is starting as a
freshmen with like 6-12 credit hours or more already banked. She is

major in Chemistry with Math as a minor. Is she a bright kid, I suppose

but more then that she didn't ***** around with drugs or drinking, she

her ***** off studying and became a ranked statewide swimmer. Are we

out a lot of idiots? Yes we are. Can you succeed in public education

you bet your ***** you can and thousands of kid do it all the time, we

some balance here. I know bashing everything America is all the rage but
most of it is are very distorted views and opinions, nothing else. Hell

so cool we've lower total pollution around here by 10% over the last

or so. We are a great country. God Bless American and Sara, where ever

are your uncle is proud of you.

Zaphod

PS. You know one of the things that helped her? Was her parents believe

God and lead a spiritual based life. So if that makes her delusional

be it. It in part has made her honest, hard working and a great human

Once again, thinking all theists are deluded is not better then them
thinking you are going to hell.

===>CONGRATULATIONS.
She is an obvious exception.
Oh, and don't be too surprised or hurt if she gets a good education and
becomes an non-theist. -- L.

===>Sad, but true. Exactly in line with my comments.
Government supplied education is fast becoming a process of dummification. -- L.

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Zaphod \"stil prez\" wrote:

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No, I do not believe, I know it!

'enry VIII

Considering our past would you like me to ask a question on that or
make

a

comment on what you said or are you just gearing up to calling me
stupid
again?

Zaphod

Just showing support for Libertarius "belief" and "know" are sometimes

used

to mean the same thing.

So I know or believe that the Universe has always existed and always
will
exist.

There may be more than one Universe but that's ok too.

BTW we had a great scare last night, thought that Dore had come through

and

ordered the end of the world. <g>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/03/tech/main620845.shtml

'enry VIII

Well like many he could not answer a question with just yes or no.
If I understood what he was saying correctly was that he had no beliefs
because
all he knew or all his opinions on things were facts not beliefs, so he
could not
have a belief system because he didn't have beliefs just facts. Which if
I
lined up 100 people they would all say is goofy.

===>If you lined up 100 people at random, they probably could not
pinpoint their own city on a blank map of the world. So, what? -- L.

Heard on the news today that 75% of recent high school graduates couldn't
answer correctly, which country in Europe the USA was fighting during WWII.

'enry VIII

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No, I do not believe, I know it!

'enry VIII

Considering our past would you like me to ask a question on that or make a
comment on what you said or are you just gearing up to calling me stupid
again?

Zaphod

Just showing support for Libertarius "belief" and "know" are sometimes used
to mean the same thing.

So I know or believe that the Universe has always existed and always will
exist.

There may be more than one Universe but that's ok too.

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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Talk about double talk.

Lets reduce this to as simple a thing as we can for me that's yes and nos
questions and answers without dragging a bunch of other crap into it to
confuse the issue. You made certain assertions so I would like to ask you
one simple question.

Libertarious do you believe it to be true that there is a "Cosmic
Totality"
Yes or No

No, I do not believe, I know it!

'enry VIII

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
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Talk about double talk.

Lets reduce this to as simple a thing as we can for me that's yes and nos
questions and answers without dragging a bunch of other crap into it to
confuse the issue.

one simple question.

Libertarious do you believe it to be true that there is a "Cosmic Totality"
Yes or No

"bv_schornak" <nowhere@schornak.de> wrote in message

Libertarius wrote:

===>There is no evidence that Adam, Eve, Noah, Lot,
Abraham, Moses, or Joshua ever existed.

There also is no evidence they did not exist. I would
doubt it in some cases (Adam, Eve), but the remaining
figures might have been real persons.

About two months ago a neighbor of mine used the argument that
there is no proof that God did not exist, therefore it was
illogical for me to claim that there was no god.

In one of my most brilliant moments, I did not argue with him.
That surprised him. And me.

He was even more also surprised when I told him that I now have
over ten million dollars in assets. We live in the same condo
complex, and he knows my style of living. He was sure I was
lying.

Except that the existence of ten million dollars is something
that can be proven. I couldn't prove the full ten million right
then, but I told him that if we went to the computer, connected
with the _______ _______ bank website, entered in my I.D. and
password, we could go to "account balances" and he would see that
I had over three million dollars in stocks and bonds right there.
The existence of the three million dollars was enough to prove
to him that my word is good, and I had over ten million dollars
in assets.

Or it would have proved it to him if I took him to the computer
and did as I said. But I didn't. Therefore he won't believe me.
But he can't prove that I don't have ten million dollars.

Is that logical?

Libertarius wrote:

bv_schornak wrote:

Libertarius wrote:

bv_schornak wrote:

... I don't doubt the existence of Jesus, even if it
can't be proven. A personality cult cannot be based on a
virtual person who never existed.

===>Check into the history of religions.
Did Osiris, Attis, Adonis, Dionysus, Mithras, Krishna, etc.
exist???
Was there really a man named "EBION"???
What about King Arthur and his Round Table knights??? -- L.

Hm, I differentiate between the spiritual story of a
religion and the person(s) in this story. While each
spiritual entity is suspect for me, I don't deny the
existence of the person(s) mentioned. I think, there
must have been someone who was the "model" for those
stories - which were blown up to supernatural events
later on. If we cut off the supernatural part, some-
thing remains. This something might be Gilgamesh, it
might be Jesus or Quetzalcoatl. Each of 'em might be
a myth - or a real existing person, either.

Do not mismatch Gods / Godesses with humans who were
posthumously "raised" to the status of a God, that's
a different quality. Also, people didn't invent some
other people, even if they invented some Gods. These
things came up with an established Christian Church.
Prior to that, people didn't lie that much, they had
too much respect for "devine" things...

===>There is no evidence that Adam, Eve, Noah, Lot,
Abraham, Moses, or Joshua ever existed.

There also is no evidence they did not exist. I would
doubt it in some cases (Adam, Eve), but the remaining
figures might have been real persons.