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31 Mar 2004 07:17:02 PM |
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Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in
alt.atheism
It was decided that the gentiles shouldn't be forced to live
by the burden of Moses Law nor the jewish culture.
Forced by who? Who do you think would dare try to
enforce some Jewish religious dietary and other laws on
people?
We should also consider that the community in Jerusalem depended
upon Paul raising money from the gentiles for their relief. It
would be against their best interest to impose restrictions upon
gentile converts.
--
Wax
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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10 Apr 2004 03:44:44 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<4075B2BC.B2FD7A4E@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Peter made a point. you missed it. Read the Acts of the Apostle again
===>Actually, you are the one who does not know what
you are talking about. It says it was Saul/Paul who ALLEGED that!
Acts 17:2-3
"And Paul, as his manner was,
went in unto them,"
[HOW RUDE!]
"and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Opening and alleging,
that Christ must needs have suffered,
and risen again from the dead"
He was doing his typical misinterpretations and lies,
ALLEGING THINGS that were not there,
trying to transform the beliefs of the EBIONITES
(The Poor) into his own Paganized mystery cult.
I think you have thinking problems, perhaps thinking gives you headache.
Paul -Oh how I love this Apostle- has been anwsered already by a knowledgeable
person and these answers can be found in the Qur'an.
===>That is garbage.
Nothing in the Qur'an refers to Saul/Paul!
I am sure you don't
know about this.
===>NOBODY DOES!
It is NOT THERE!
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
11 Apr 2004 05:11:24 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<40785CBC.BA3147B7@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<4075B2BC.B2FD7A4E@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Peter made a point. you missed it. Read the Acts of the Apostle again
===>Actually, you are the one who does not know what
you are talking about. It says it was Saul/Paul who ALLEGED that!
Acts 17:2-3
"And Paul, as his manner was,
went in unto them,"
[HOW RUDE!]
"and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Opening and alleging,
that Christ must needs have suffered,
and risen again from the dead"
He was doing his typical misinterpretations and lies,
ALLEGING THINGS that were not there,
trying to transform the beliefs of the EBIONITES
(The Poor) into his own Paganized mystery cult.
I think you have thinking problems, perhaps thinking gives you headache.
Paul -Oh how I love this Apostle- has been anwsered already by a knowledgeable
person and these answers can be found in the Qur'an.
===>That is garbage.
Nothing in the Qur'an refers to Saul/Paul!
You CANNOT recognize the doctrines OF such and such when they
are being criticized unless the
person is named???????? This is from somebody who prides himself as a
scholar.It is laughable.
I knew you were at a loss
I am sure you don't
know about this.
===>NOBODY DOES!
It is NOT THERE!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
09 Apr 2004 07:31:36 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:14:52 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
BUT ONCE AGAIN:
Where is it "written"???
Where does the Old Testament say that????
ANSWER: NOWHERE!
Poor lib, you're getting as bad as little leong now.
Where does the OT profess itself to be final truth?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
09 Apr 2004 11:06:07 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:14:52 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
BUT ONCE AGAIN:
Where is it "written"???
Where does the Old Testament say that????
ANSWER: NOWHERE!
Poor lib, you're getting as bad as little leong now.
Where does the OT profess itself to be final truth?
===>Typical idiotic, non sequitur response, dodging the problem.
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
10 Apr 2004 12:34:39 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<4076C9EF.428B947E@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
duke wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:14:52 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
BUT ONCE AGAIN:
Where is it "written"???
Where does the Old Testament say that????
ANSWER: NOWHERE!
Poor lib, you're getting as bad as little leong now.
Where does the OT profess itself to be final truth?
===>Typical idiotic, non sequitur response, dodging the problem.
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted the resurrection.
TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT VOIR LA CORRUPTION
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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10 Apr 2004 04:39:33 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
--
Wax
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
11 Apr 2004 05:03:46 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
Since they never did and they would never do, then what Peter said
is connected
to Messiah even though, it makes no sense to you or the wording might be
different
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
11 Apr 2004 05:57:31 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't
find that in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah
besides Jesus.
Since they never did and they would never do, then
what Peter said is connected to Messiah even though,
it makes no sense to you or the wording might be
different
The Jews do not proclaim Jesus as the Messiah, and the wording is
different from that attributed to Peter.
So what's your point?
--
Wax
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
11 Apr 2004 10:09:41 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
===>They did.
They acclaimed KING CYRUS at first (Isaiah 45) and
BAR KOKHBA a century after Jesus.
See how ignorant you are?!
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:32:08 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<407A0875.23461DB8@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
===>They did.
They acclaimed KING CYRUS at first (Isaiah 45) and
BAR KOKHBA a century after Jesus.
See how ignorant you are?!
So how many Missiahs do the jews expect?
You listed 2 but the jews seem to still BE waiting for one
Are you saying that Bar Kokhba being the jewish Messiah, their
waiting is over?
Do you really believe that Bar Kokhba fit the descriptions of the
Messiah promised by Moses?
Are you doing this to show off your knowledge or do you give some thoughts
before posting?
Where is your common sense?
I am well aware that the high Priest of that time anointed Bar Kokhba
as the Messiah but his followers changed their mind when Bar kokhba
got killed.
What I did not know was that there were still some
assholes listing him as Messiah.
Do the gentiles flock to the One God of Israel through Bar Kokhba as they
were supposed to be doing through the Messiah, the True Messiah?
WHAT YOU NEED IS COMMON SENSE, YOU HAVE NONE
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
20 Apr 2004 08:44:51 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<407A0875.23461DB8@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
===>They did.
They acclaimed KING CYRUS at first (Isaiah 45) and
BAR KOKHBA a century after Jesus.
See how ignorant you are?!
So how many Missiahs do the jews expect?
You listed 2 but the jews seem to still BE waiting for one
Are you saying that Bar Kokhba being the jewish Messiah, their
waiting is over?
===>No, they are no better than the Christians.
Do you really believe that Bar Kokhba fit the descriptions of the
Messiah promised by Moses?
===>Moses never even existed, and no one writing anything
attributed to him "promised" any "Messiah".
Are you doing this to show off your knowledge or do you give some thoughts
before posting?
Where is your common sense?
===>Where is YOURS?
I am well aware that the high Priest of that time anointed Bar Kokhba
as the Messiah but his followers changed their mind when Bar kokhba
got killed.
===>So did the followers of Jesus, when HE was killed.
Some decided he was still coming back to destroy the
Romans (See REVELATION), others, following Saul/Paul's
Pagan mystery mumbo-jumbo, decided Jesus was a "savior god"
who "defeated death" and would come back soon to transubstantiate
the believers and resurrect some of the dead, to take them all
up to "heaven".
What I did not know was that there were still some
assholes listing him as Messiah.
===>Bar Kokhba was MORE of a "Messiah" than Jesus
ever succeeded at being! He became a ruler, minted new coins
for his liberated people, etc.
Do the gentiles flock to the One God of Israel through Bar Kokhba as they
were supposed to be doing through the Messiah, the True Messiah?
===>No. They did not, do not, will not.
Nor do the Christians.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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21 Apr 2004 09:42:38 AM |
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Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message >
What I did not know was that there were still some
assholes listing him as Messiah.
===>Bar Kokhba was MORE of a "Messiah" than Jesus
ever succeeded at being! He became a ruler, minted new coins
for his liberated people, etc.
Now why don't you go and tell this to jews so that they may stop waiting
as Bar Kokhba has already been anointed for them.
You are a joke
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| User: "Bob Crowley" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
21 Apr 2004 09:29:55 AM |
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Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<b563f65aa76a0ac4286b7ad567390675@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<407A0875.23461DB8@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
===>They did.
They acclaimed KING CYRUS at first (Isaiah 45) and
BAR KOKHBA a century after Jesus.
See how ignorant you are?!
So how many Missiahs do the jews expect?
You listed 2 but the jews seem to still BE waiting for one
Are you saying that Bar Kokhba being the jewish Messiah, their
waiting is over?
===>No, they are no better than the Christians.
Do you really believe that Bar Kokhba fit the descriptions of the
Messiah promised by Moses?
===>Moses never even existed, and no one writing anything
attributed to him "promised" any "Messiah".
Are you doing this to show off your knowledge or do you give some thoughts
before posting?
Where is your common sense?
===>Where is YOURS?
I am well aware that the high Priest of that time anointed Bar Kokhba
as the Messiah but his followers changed their mind when Bar kokhba
got killed.
===>So did the followers of Jesus, when HE was killed.
Some decided he was still coming back to destroy the
Romans (See REVELATION), others, following Saul/Paul's
Pagan mystery mumbo-jumbo, decided Jesus was a "savior god"
who "defeated death" and would come back soon to transubstantiate
the believers and resurrect some of the dead, to take them all
up to "heaven".
What I did not know was that there were still some
assholes listing him as Messiah.
===>Bar Kokhba was MORE of a "Messiah" than Jesus
ever succeeded at being! He became a ruler, minted new coins
for his liberated people, etc.
Then he died and turned into dust. No rolling stone for his grave,
I'm afraid. Not much of a Messiah then.....
Do the gentiles flock to the One God of Israel through Bar Kokhba as they
were supposed to be doing through the Messiah, the True Messiah?
===>No. They did not, do not, will not.
Nor do the Christians.
Oh, we go along to church occasionally and talk to Him.
How's the old Libertarian lie detector test going on Paul these days?
I know where you can find an intelligence agency which will tell you
what you want to hear, if you need it. Give a conservative Australian
politician the wink and the next thing you know you'll have proof of
Pauline perfidy on toast, boots and all.
Give my regards to Bar Kokhba, if you do catch up with him. Right now
they could do with a Messiah, if I'm any judge.
Bob Crowley.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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21 Apr 2004 03:19:59 PM |
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Bob Crowley wrote:
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<b563f65aa76a0ac4286b7ad567390675@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<407A0875.23461DB8@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<pQZdc.5632$K_.174894@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404100934.42321d19@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
The question is still;
WHERE WAS IT "WRITTEN"???
According to Peter David in the Psaum predicted
the resurrection. TU NE VERRAS PAS TON SAINT
VOIR LA CORRUPTION
If that is what Peter said, then Peter Lied. You can't find that
in Psalms.
If Peter lied, jews would be acclaming another Messiah besides Jesus.
===>They did.
They acclaimed KING CYRUS at first (Isaiah 45) and
BAR KOKHBA a century after Jesus.
See how ignorant you are?!
So how many Missiahs do the jews expect?
You listed 2 but the jews seem to still BE waiting for one
Are you saying that Bar Kokhba being the jewish Messiah, their
waiting is over?
===>No, they are no better than the Christians.
Do you really believe that Bar Kokhba fit the descriptions of the
Messiah promised by Moses?
===>Moses never even existed, and no one writing anything
attributed to him "promised" any "Messiah".
Are you doing this to show off your knowledge or do you give some thoughts
before posting?
Where is your common sense?
===>Where is YOURS?
I am well aware that the high Priest of that time anointed Bar Kokhba
as the Messiah but his followers changed their mind when Bar kokhba
got killed.
===>So did the followers of Jesus, when HE was killed.
Some decided he was still coming back to destroy the
Romans (See REVELATION), others, following Saul/Paul's
Pagan mystery mumbo-jumbo, decided Jesus was a "savior god"
who "defeated death" and would come back soon to transubstantiate
the believers and resurrect some of the dead, to take them all
up to "heaven".
What I did not know was that there were still some
assholes listing him as Messiah.
===>Bar Kokhba was MORE of a "Messiah" than Jesus
ever succeeded at being! He became a ruler, minted new coins
for his liberated people, etc.
Then he died and turned into dust. No rolling stone for his grave,
I'm afraid. Not much of a Messiah then.....
===>There is NOTHING promised about any "rolling stones"
in connection with the Messiah.
Also, if Jesus was able to walk through walls, as stated in the
Gospels, why did anyone have to roll any stones???
T-H-I-N-K!
Do the gentiles flock to the One God of Israel through Bar Kokhba as they
were supposed to be doing through the Messiah, the True Messiah?
===>No. They did not, do not, will not.
Nor do the Christians.
Oh, we go along to church occasionally and talk to Him.
===>The one you talk to in church
is the "THEOS PATER" (variation of
ZEUS PATER and JUPITER) of Saul/Paul,
father of his incarnate savior god CHRISTOS,
and NOT the "One God of Israel"!!!
Ask any Jew or any Muslim what "One God" means!
You might even ask some Unitarian Christians! -- L.
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22 Apr 2004 09:43:11 AM |
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and NOT the "One God of Israel"!!!
Ask any Jew or any Muslim what "One God" means!
You might even ask some Unitarian Christians! -- L.
And the Muslims know that God works in a mysterious way which means He
build on any good stuff in any culture and this is how he chose to shape
the world between circumcised and uncircumcised, the apostles council
being a ground rule for that.
And those mystics who have recognized the ruling of the Apostles in Muslims
religious and cultural life have marvelled about these two worlds.
Rumi one of them wrote in his Quatrins:
"...Now let me sit here in the threshold of THE TWO WORLD LOST in the
eloquence of silence."
For this mystic God shaped the world this way implying that what Paul
was doing in the Roman Empire was done through divine help.
AND I LOVE THE MYSTICS MORE THAN THE CLUELESS SCHOLARS.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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23 Apr 2004 02:22:59 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
And the Muslims know that God works in a mysterious
way which means He build on any good stuff in any
culture and this is how he chose to shape the world
between circumcised and uncircumcised, the apostles
council being a ground rule for that.
Dividing people on the basis of whether they are circumcised or
uncircumcised is as stupid as dividing them on the basis of the
color of their skin.
--
Wax
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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24 Apr 2004 03:41:37 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<n2eic.14613$_o3.472334@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
And the Muslims know that God works in a mysterious
way which means He build on any good stuff in any
culture and this is how he chose to shape the world
between circumcised and uncircumcised, the apostles
council being a ground rule for that.
Dividing people on the basis of whether they are circumcised or
uncircumcised is as stupid as dividing them on the basis of the
color of their skin.
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ there no circumcised
and uncircumcised, no slave nor free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood
as pagan- for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle to
the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION -- FALSE QUOTES BY PAUL & JESUS |
24 Apr 2004 06:36:18 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
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25 Apr 2004 06:34:58 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<SRCic.18738$_o3.601007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
This is another issue. Don't confuse yourself
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25 Apr 2004 07:54:42 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the
epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were
"displeasing to God and are opposed to all people"?
( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your
human masters with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5)
Didn't Paul even return a runaway slave to his owner?
(Philemon.)
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do
not allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man.
She must remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
This is another issue. Don't confuse yourself
What's another issue? That Paul was a bigot? He was, and you
are trying to claim that he wasn't.
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25 Apr 2004 06:44:11 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<SRCic.18738$_o3.601007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
What If he was simply reporting a fact known by everybody at that time
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Why not. But this should not imply that he approved
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
You can not secularized our faith
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
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25 Apr 2004 07:52:30 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the
epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were
"displeasing to God and are opposed to all people"?
( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
What If he was simply reporting a fact known by everybody
at that time
Other people may have believed it, but it was not a fact.
Antisemitism has been a stain upon Christianity for nearly two
thousand years. Paul should share the blame for that.
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your
human masters with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5)
Didn't Paul even return a runaway slave to his owner?
(Philemon.)
Why not. But this should not imply that he approved
Paul was outspoken. If he disagreed with something, he let you
know it. Yet when it came to returning the slave Onesimus to his
owner, Paul failed to state one objection to slavery. He did not
tell Philemon that slavery was wrong, or that Christians should
not own slaves. His only request was that Philemon would permit
Onesimus to continue working for Paul. Otherwise the letter was
in acceptance of slavery.
Paul even requested to spend time at Philemon's home where he
would be served by slaves.
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I
do not allow a woman to teach or have authority over
a man. She must remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
You can not secularized our faith
It wasn't until Christianity was secularized that people began
speaking out against slavery, devine right monarchs, and treating
women as sub-humans.
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
What did Paul do for civilization? The only thing you mentioned
was circumcision, which was not a European practice anyway.
Is it merely a coincidence that the glory of Greece and Rome fell
after the advent of Christianity? Or was Christianity the cause
of the dark age which followed?
--
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28 Apr 2004 09:31:56 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<i3Zic.22325
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
What did Paul do for civilization? The only thing you mentioned
was circumcision, which was not a European practice anyway.
But some european converts were willing to make it their practice.
They would have to FOLLOW the whole Law along with. Such stoning
the adulterers and thieves as they are now practiced in the Islamic world.
I read the Qur'an then I understood Paul.
PAUL SAVED CIVILIZATION. Read Galatians again
Is it merely a coincidence that the glory of Greece and Rome fell
after the advent of Christianity? Or was Christianity the cause
of the dark age which followed?
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28 Apr 2004 01:50:03 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
What did Paul do for civilization? The only thing you
mentioned was circumcision, which was not a European
practice anyway.
But some european converts were willing to make it their
practice.
They would have to FOLLOW the whole Law along with.
Such stoning the adulterers and thieves as they are now
practiced in the Islamic world.
I read the Qur'an then I understood Paul.
PAUL SAVED CIVILIZATION. Read Galatians again
You make the assumption that Europe would have adopted Judaism.
That is highly unlikely for several reasons. The most important
of which is that Judaism did not send out missionaries to gain
converts. Without missionaries, there would be few converts.
Meanwhile you had other religions gaining in popularity, such as
Mithraism, the Isis cult, and Neo-Platonism. Judaism was far
down the list in popularity.
Judaism was already an old religion with established doctrines.
It was never able to adopt popular aspects of other religions
such as celebrating the birth of the god on the winter solstice
(December 25 on the Roman calendar), worship of the Holy Mother,
or the Trinity.
--
Wax
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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01 May 2004 01:06:31 PM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<v1Tjc.31849$_o3.1045579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
What did Paul do for civilization? The only thing you
mentioned was circumcision, which was not a European
practice anyway.
But some european converts were willing to make it their
practice.
They would have to FOLLOW the whole Law along with.
Such stoning the adulterers and thieves as they are now
practiced in the Islamic world.
I read the Qur'an then I understood Paul.
PAUL SAVED CIVILIZATION. Read Galatians again
You make the assumption that Europe would have adopted Judaism.
That is highly unlikely for several reasons. The most important
of which is that Judaism did not send out missionaries to gain
converts. Without missionaries, there would be few converts.
Galatians, just read Galatians
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01 May 2004 04:18:19 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
Galatians, just read Galatians
Which part of it?
Do you mean Galatians 1:18-19 where Paul states that following
his conversion, when he went back to Jerusalem that the saw no
one except Peter and James, the brother of Jesus? Thus proving
that the author of Acts is a liar (see Acts 9:26-28.)
Do you mean Galatians 2:1-2 where Paul claims that he did not
return to Jerusalem until fourteen years later? Most theologians
identify that visit with the Jerusalem Council, but Paul says it
was a private meeting with only a few present, therefore it could
not have been the Jerusalem council.
Do you mean Galatians 2:6 where Paul downplays the importance of
the leaders in Jerusalem, and states that they added nothing to
his gospel?
Do you mean Galatians 2:14 where Paul rebukes Peter for being a
hypocrite?
Please. Tell me which part of Galatians you want me to read?
(Actually, I would prefer if you don't.)
--
Wax
Will you speak falsely for God,
and speak deceitfully for him?
Job 13:7
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25 Apr 2004 07:48:44 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<SRCic.18738$_o3.601007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
What If he was simply reporting a fact known by everybody at that time
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Why not. But this should not imply that he approved
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
You can not secularized our faith
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
===>You're NUTS!
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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26 Apr 2004 12:21:45 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2004 16:44:11 -0700,
(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<SRCic.18738$_o3.601007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" < > wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
What If he was simply reporting a fact known by everybody at that time
It was something believed by bigots such as Paul or you.
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Why not.
Because slavery is degrading to human beings.
But this should not imply that he approved
Only if you are sane.
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
You can not secularized our faith
Which has nothing to do with the question.
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
Your statement is breathtaking nonsense.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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28 Apr 2004 09:10:17 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in message news:<aldq8090cifoljuqtnqa6qu36jbkrcf9ot@4ax.com>...
On 25 Apr 2004 16:44:11 -0700,
(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<SRCic.18738$_o3.601007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" < > wrote
And this is what Paul meant when he wrote that in Christ
there no circumcised and uncircumcised, no slave nor
free, no jew nor greeck -here to be understood as pagan-
for we are all one in Christ. Why don't you read the epistle
to the Romans without prejudices. It is all in there.
Is that the same Paul who said that the Jews were "displeasing to
God and are opposed to all people"? ( 1 Thessalonians 2:15)
What If he was simply reporting a fact known by everybody at that time
It was something believed by bigots such as Paul or you.
Is that the same Paul who told slaves to "obey your human masters
with fear and trembling"? (Ephesians 6:5) Didn't Paul even
return a runaway slave to his owner? (Philemon.)
Why not.
Because slavery is degrading to human beings.
But this should not imply that he approved
Only if you are sane.
Is this the same Paul who is supposed to have said, "I do not
allow a woman to teach or have authority over a man. She must
remain quiet"? (1 Timothy 2:12.)
You can not secularized our faith
Which has nothing to do with the question.
It is the same Paul! And he is a bigot.
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
Your statement is breathtaking nonsense.
HEY. YOU THOMAS PIMP, YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR ***** UP, JERK
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29 Apr 2004 02:05:47 AM |
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On 28 Apr 2004 07:10:17 -0700,
(Not-easily-duped) wrote:
snip
Paul saved Civilization no matter your opinion
Your statement is breathtaking nonsense.
HEY. YOU THOMAS PIMP, YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR ***** UP, JERK
Is that your argument?
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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