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Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in
alt.atheism
It was decided that the gentiles shouldn't be forced to live
by the burden of Moses Law nor the jewish culture.
Forced by who? Who do you think would dare try to
enforce some Jewish religious dietary and other laws on
people?
We should also consider that the community in Jerusalem depended
upon Paul raising money from the gentiles for their relief. It
would be against their best interest to impose restrictions upon
gentile converts.
--
Wax
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
11 Apr 2004 01:14:27 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the verse
numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that it is easier
to understand the poem and appreciate its beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A tristich is
three such lines. They are sometimes describes as "thought
rhymes".
--
Wax
Eat, friends, drink,
and be drunk with love.
Song of Songs 5:1
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
11 Apr 2004 05:38:59 PM |
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Weatherwax wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the verse
numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that it is easier
to understand the poem and appreciate its beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A tristich is
three such lines. They are sometimes describes as "thought
rhymes".
===>NICELY DONE!
Note that it does NOT say
"You will not abandon me IN Sheol".
i.e. that you will not abandon me to STAY DEAD,
but
"You will not abandon me TO Sheol" which simply means
"You will not let me die!" -- L.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
11 Apr 2004 06:33:51 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:4079C903.5FE02832@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the
Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the
verse numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that it
is easier to understand the poem and appreciate its
beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A
tristich is three such lines. They are sometimes describes
as "thought rhymes".
===>NICELY DONE!
Note that it does NOT say
"You will not abandon me IN Sheol".
i.e. that you will not abandon me to STAY DEAD,
but
"You will not abandon me TO Sheol" which simply means
"You will not let me die!" -- L.
The verse numbering destroys the parallelism.
The distich should read:
yes, my flesh dwells securely.
You will not abandom me to Sheol.
In the New Revised Standard Version, it goes:
my body also rests secure.
For you do not give me up to Sheol,
--
Wax
Eat, friends, drink,
and be drunk with love.
Song of Songs 5:1
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
12 Apr 2004 09:47:13 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<zBkec.16897$i74.320238@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:4079C903.5FE02832@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the
Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the
verse numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that it
is easier to understand the poem and appreciate its
beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A
tristich is three such lines. They are sometimes describes
as "thought rhymes".
===>NICELY DONE!
Note that it does NOT say
"You will not abandon me IN Sheol".
i.e. that you will not abandon me to STAY DEAD,
but
"You will not abandon me TO Sheol" which simply means
"You will not let me die!" -- L.
The verse numbering destroys the parallelism.
The distich should read:
yes, my flesh dwells securely.
You will not abandom me to Sheol.
In the New Revised Standard Version, it goes:
my body also rests secure.
For you do not give me up to Sheol,
The Ethiopian in the Acts was wiser than you are; when he read the
verse in Isaiah, he did not want to put in IT his own understanding.
so when Philippi asked him If he understood what he was reading
he went on and said,"How would this be If no one guides me."
I picture you at his place and see you jumping and saying,"I am the
best mind ever, I know everything just give me a minute and I will break it
down for you."
THIS IS THE WAY WITH ALL THE ARROGANT PERSONS. I JUST PITY YOU
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
12 Apr 2004 03:11:14 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote
Weatherwax wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to
their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their
gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the
Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the
verse numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that
it
is easier to understand the poem and appreciate its
beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A
tristich is three such lines. They are sometimes
describes as "thought rhymes".
===>NICELY DONE!
Note that it does NOT say
"You will not abandon me IN Sheol".
i.e. that you will not abandon me to STAY DEAD,
but
"You will not abandon me TO Sheol" which simply means
"You will not let me die!" -- L.
The verse numbering destroys the parallelism.
The distich should read:
yes, my flesh dwells securely.
You will not abandom me to Sheol.
In the New Revised Standard Version, it goes:
my body also rests secure.
For you do not give me up to Sheol,
The Ethiopian in the Acts was wiser than you are; when
he read the verse in Isaiah, he did not want to put in IT
his own understanding. so when Philippi asked him If he
understood what he was reading he went on and said,
"How would this be If no one guides me."
I picture you at his place and see you jumping and
saying,"I am the best mind ever, I know everything just
give me a minute and I will break it down for you."
THIS IS THE WAY WITH ALL THE ARROGANT
PERSONS. I JUST PITY YOU
A good interpretation is based upon what the text says, not what
somebody would like the text to say.
The case in point involves Psalm 16. Contrary what Peter is said
to have said, Psalm 16 is not a prophecy, it does not talk about
a coming messiah, and it does not say that anybody will rise from
death. All you have to do is read it.
--
Wax
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
12 Apr 2004 02:33:42 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
The Ethiopian in the Acts was wiser than you are; when he read the
verse in Isaiah, he did not want to put in IT his own understanding.
so when Philippi asked him If he understood what he was reading
he went on and said,"How would this be If no one guides me."
I picture you at his place and see you jumping and saying,"I am the
best mind ever, I know everything just give me a minute and I will break
it
down for you."
THIS IS THE WAY WITH ALL THE ARROGANT PERSONS. I JUST PITY YOU
No, your the arrogant one, you think your so superior, because
you have an imaginary friend, that you feel the need to pity us !!!
'Pity those who pity'
(Which is crap anyway)
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
20 Apr 2004 08:04:42 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<zBkec.16897$i74.320238@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:4079C903.5FE02832@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote
in message < CLIP >
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their
gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the
Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
I hope that some one noticed that when you remove the
verse numbers, and divide the lines into bistiches, that it
is easier to understand the poem and appreciate its
beauty.
A bistich is two lines which carry a common idea. A
tristich is three such lines. They are sometimes describes
as "thought rhymes".
===>NICELY DONE!
Note that it does NOT say
"You will not abandon me IN Sheol".
i.e. that you will not abandon me to STAY DEAD,
but
"You will not abandon me TO Sheol" which simply means
"You will not let me die!" -- L.
The verse numbering destroys the parallelism.
The distich should read:
yes, my flesh dwells securely.
You will not abandom me to Sheol.
In the New Revised Standard Version, it goes:
my body also rests secure.
For you do not give me up to Sheol,
The Ethiopian in the Acts was wiser than you are; when he read the
verse in Isaiah, he did not want to put in IT his own understanding.
so when Philippi asked him If he understood what he was reading
he went on and said,"How would this be If no one guides me."
I picture you at his place and see you jumping and saying,"I am the
best mind ever, I know everything just give me a minute and I will break it
down for you."
THIS IS THE WAY WITH ALL THE ARROGANT PERSONS. I JUST PITY YOU
===>That story is just an artistic way for the author to present the
Pauline interpretation as the "truth".
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
10 Apr 2004 06:51:47 PM |
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Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
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Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
The angel who supposedly promised the same thing to Mary
is also proved a liar by the "rest of the story"..
55 2:31 David by
foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the
Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades,
nor did his body experience decay.
Now take a look at the Psalm David is referring to, but all of
it, and from the Old Testament, not from Acts.
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
Taken as a whole (with verse numbers removed) the poem is
properly understood. It is not a prophecy. It is not about a
messiah. Is says nothing about a resurrection, or being raised
from the dead.
===>Just one of the straws grasped by Christian to claim Jesus
as the real "Messiah". -- L.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
11 Apr 2004 06:23:50 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to be that Messiah.
You are still thinking as If Messiah/Christ was Jesus last name and not
his title, no wonder you are promoting Cyrus as the Messiah/Christ.
I am rolling on the floor; I can not stop laughing at you stupidities
and how blind you are.
By the way, what did Moses say about Cyrus the Christ at Horeb?
The angel who supposedly promised the same thing to Mary
is also proved a liar by the "rest of the story"..
55 2:31 David by
foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the
Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades,
nor did his body experience decay.
Now take a look at the Psalm David is referring to, but all of
it, and from the Old Testament, not from Acts.
Psalm 16
A prayer of David.
Protect me, O God, for I have taken shelter in you.
I say to the Lord, "You are the sovereign Master,
my only source of well-being."
As for God's chosen people who are in the land,
and the leading officials I admired so much-
their troubles multiply,
they desire other gods.
I will not pour out drink offerings of blood to their gods,
nor will I make vows in the name of their gods.
Lord, you give me stability and prosperity;
you make my future secure.
It is as if I have been given fertile fields
or received a beautiful tract of land.
I will praise the Lord who guides me;
yes, during the night I reflect and learn.
I constantly trust in the Lord;
because he is at my right hand,
I will not be upended.
So my heart rejoices
and I am happy;
My life is safe.
You will not abandon me to Sheol;
you will not allow your faithful follower to see the Pit.
You lead me in the path of life;
I experience absolute joy in your presence;
you always give me sheer delight.
Taken as a whole (with verse numbers removed) the poem is
properly understood. It is not a prophecy. It is not about a
messiah. Is says nothing about a resurrection, or being raised
from the dead.
===>Just one of the straws grasped by Christian to claim Jesus
as the real "Messiah". -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
20 Apr 2004 06:49:48 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
21 Apr 2004 10:20:35 AM |
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Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
How about Saul the first king as Messiah of Israel in Samuel?
Admit you don't know what you are talking about.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
21 Apr 2004 10:37:37 AM |
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Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the MESSIAH, a prophet like
myself ,Him, you shall listen. Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you sound like an idiot
as your posts on Messiah appears to be off base.
You an *****
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
21 Apr 2004 02:01:15 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404210737.67dc74f4@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is
reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to
be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in
Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the
MESSIAH, a prophet like myself ,Him, you shall listen.
Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you
sound like an idiot as your posts on Messiah appears to
be off base.
You an *****
What Bible translation are you using? Or did you merely add the
word "Messiah" yourself?
I went over some twenty Bible translations listed at
Crosswalk.com http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and cannot find one in
which the word "messiah" is used in that verse.
The author of Acts identifies the prophet to be Jesus. But that
is begging the question. That is, we have to assume that Jesus
is the messiah, in order to believe that the passage refers to
him.
--
Wax
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
22 Apr 2004 09:58:14 AM |
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"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<%xzhc.7501$_o3.249046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404210737.67dc74f4@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is
reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to
be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in
Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the
MESSIAH, a prophet like myself ,Him, you shall listen.
Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you
sound like an idiot as your posts on Messiah appears to
be off base.
You an *****
What Bible translation are you using? Or did you merely add the
word "Messiah" yourself?
Before I answer your question let me ask who do you think the prophet
might be. THE PROPHET IN THIS VERSE
I went over some twenty Bible translations listed at
Crosswalk.com http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and cannot find one in
which the word "messiah" is used in that verse.
The author of Acts identifies the prophet to be Jesus. But that
is begging the question. That is, we have to assume that Jesus
is the messiah, in order to believe that the passage refers to
him.
Jew base their messianic expectation on this Mosaic prediction.
the Apostle have argued that Jesus was that Messiah promised by Moses
on the ground of the same verse.
Common sense will tell me that the text might read Messiah even though
the word is not explicitly there. But there is more to the point...
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS IN ORDER TO GRADUATE
FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
22 Apr 2004 12:19:05 PM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote > > >
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote > > > >
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based
OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE"
Messiah at the time of David. The first time a
"Messiah" is named is in Isaiah 45, and he is the
liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the
MESSIAH, a prophet like myself ,Him, you shall listen.
Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you
sound like an idiot as your posts on Messiah appears to
be off base.
You an *****
What Bible translation are you using? Or did you merely
add the word "Messiah" yourself?
Before I answer your question let me ask who do you think
the prophet might be. THE PROPHET IN THIS VERSE
< CLIP >
Jew base their messianic expectation on this Mosaic
prediction. the Apostle have argued that Jesus was
that Messiah promised by Moses on the ground of the
same verse.
Common sense will tell me that the text might read
Messiah even though the word is not explicitly there.
But there is more to the point...
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE
THROUGH THE WINDOWS IN ORDER TO
GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
The fact is that you fraudulently added the words "the messiah"
into the verse as if they belonged there. Then you called
Libertarius "an *****."
Common sense does not require the verse to refer to a messiah.
Just what prophet the 7th century b.c.e. writer of the book had
in mind is unknown, but it was probably some one closer to his
own day. Your interpretation of it as being a reference to "the
messiah" is an example of how easy it is to take Old Testament
scripture and bend it to fit whatever is desired.
--
Wax
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
22 Apr 2004 11:05:23 AM |
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"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS IN ORDER TO
GRADUATE
FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
22 Apr 2004 11:59:18 AM |
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Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
--
David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
26 Apr 2004 08:36:08 AM |
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"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
24 May 2004 12:50:15 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
-Hy
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
26 May 2004 07:50:07 AM |
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(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
-Hy
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
26 May 2004 08:06:39 AM |
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On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
27 May 2004 09:21:13 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<ah59b0p56qt1v4775e27fca7j14v11fp7p@4ax.com>...
On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
27 May 2004 10:03:46 AM |
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On 27 May 2004 07:21:13 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<ah59b0p56qt1v4775e27fca7j14v11fp7p@4ax.com>...
On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
"No doubt we shall see".
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Not-easily-duped" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
29 May 2004 02:17:16 PM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<1q0cb01mraljnc0u9iokdbi71c50g8rbql@4ax.com>...
On 27 May 2004 07:21:13 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<ah59b0p56qt1v4775e27fca7j14v11fp7p@4ax.com>...
On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
"No doubt we shall see".
When did a fool like you ever grow eyes to see? You are all blind...
Now *****.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
27 May 2004 01:23:37 PM |
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(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0405270621.63bc61e7@posting.google.com>...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<ah59b0p56qt1v4775e27fca7j14v11fp7p@4ax.com>...
On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
( (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
(Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Watch out, flouridated water.
.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
27 May 2004 02:15:31 PM |
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On 27 May 2004 11:23:37 -0700 in alt.atheism, JessHC
(jesshc@phantomemail.com (JessHC)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0405270621.63bc61e7@posting.google.com>...
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<ah59b0p56qt1v4775e27fca7j14v11fp7p@4ax.com>...
On 26 May 2004 05:50:07 -0700 in alt.atheism, Not-easily-duped
(Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0405240950.24505a8@posting.google.com>...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com (Not-easily-duped) wrote in message news:<bbba7302.0404260536.114a7a48@posting.google.com>...
"David V." <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<EsidnfnkK-F6ZBrd4p2dnA@sti.net>...
Jez wrote:
"Not-easily-duped"wrote in message
DO YOU HAVE TO THROW COMMON SENSE THROUGH THE WINDOWS
IN ORDER TO GRADUATE FROM THE SCHOOL YOU WENT?
You obviously did !
It's also obvious that duped flunked English.
Not only English but also your *****. I flunked your *****, didn't I?
Whoa, man, TMI! Take your preversions to alt.politics.homosexuality,
or possibly to Massachusetts.
This word is perversion and not preversion. If you really think I am pervert
then you have reading comprehension problems.
Answer the fool according to his folly so that he may not think of himself
as a wise.
So where do you stand on pure bodily fluids? And what do you think of
Dr. Strangelove?
NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Watch out, flouridated water.
Plan "R". It's the only reasonable option.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
22 Apr 2004 05:03:22 PM |
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Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<%xzhc.7501$_o3.249046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404210737.67dc74f4@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is
reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to
be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in
Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the
MESSIAH, a prophet like myself ,Him, you shall listen.
Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you
sound like an idiot as your posts on Messiah appears to
be off base.
You an *****
What Bible translation are you using? Or did you merely add the
word "Messiah" yourself?
Before I answer your question let me ask who do you think the prophet
might be. THE PROPHET IN THIS VERSE
I went over some twenty Bible translations listed at
Crosswalk.com http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and cannot find one in
which the word "messiah" is used in that verse.
The author of Acts identifies the prophet to be Jesus. But that
is begging the question. That is, we have to assume that Jesus
is the messiah, in order to believe that the passage refers to
him.
Jew base their messianic expectation on this Mosaic prediction.
===>Hey, DUPED LIAR!
There is no such prediction in anything attributed to "Moses".
Do you think by inserting "the Messiah" in Deuteronomy 18:15
you can get away with such lies???
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
23 Apr 2004 03:37:35 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Not-easily-duped wrote:
"Weatherwax" <weatherwax@worldnet.net> wrote in message news:<%xzhc.7501$_o3.249046@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:bbba7302.0404210737.67dc74f4@posting.google.com...
Libertarius <Libetarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:<5c66f3ab3363cd45c7f1d87daaa8305a@news.teranews.com>...
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
message news:<40788893.6745FE0D@Nothing_But_The.Truth>...
Weatherwax wrote:
"Not-easily-duped" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
< CLIP >
Paul never quoted the psaum of David to make the
point. it was Peter, jerk.
I am skipping the rest of your garbage.
If that is what said, then Peter was lying.
Following a partial quote of Psalm 16, Peter is
reported as
saying:
Acts
2:29 "Brothers, I can speak confidently to you
about our forefather David, that he both died and
was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
2:30
So then, because he was a prophet and knew that
God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of
his descendants on his throne,
===>In the totally unlikely case that David was referring
to Jesus, he was wrong, since the Romans never allowed
Jesus to be seated on David's throne!
David was referring to the Messiah and Jesus happened to
be that Messiah.
===>That is your uneducated, doctrinally based OPINION.
In fact there was not even a CONCEPT of "THE" Messiah at the
time of David. The first time a "Messiah" is named is in
Isaiah 45,
and he is the liberator king CYRUS of the PERSIANS!
HUNDRED OF YEARS AFTER DAVID!
Moses to the Israelites:
Yahweh your God will raise among your brethens the
MESSIAH, a prophet like myself ,Him, you shall listen.
Deut 18:15
But of course you are not aware of this no wonder you
sound like an idiot as your posts on Messiah appears to
be off base.
You an *****
What Bible translation are you using? Or did you merely add the
word "Messiah" yourself?
Before I answer your question let me ask who do you think the prophet
might be. THE PROPHET IN THIS VERSE
I went over some twenty Bible translations listed at
Crosswalk.com http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and cannot find one in
which the word "messiah" is used in that verse.
The author of Acts identifies the prophet to be Jesus. But that
is begging the question. That is, we have to assume that Jesus
is the messiah, in order to believe that the passage refers to
him.
Jew base their messianic expectation on this Mosaic prediction.
===>Hey, DUPED LIAR!
There is no such prediction in anything attributed to "Moses".
Do you think by inserting "the Messiah" in Deuteronomy 18:15
you can get away with such lies???
The autors of the new testament thought along those lines
--
#1636
Not BAAWA
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Does jesus exist? -- DELUSION |
23 Apr 2004 07:51:14 PM |
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Ash wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Not-easily-duped wrote:
Jew base their messianic expectation on this Mosaic prediction.
===>Hey, DUPED LIAR!
There is no such | | | | | | | | | |
