Religions > Bible > Re: Eckerd Pharmacist Fired For Refusing To Dispense Day After Pill To a Rape Victim
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Re: Eckerd Pharmacist Fired For Refusing To Dispense Day After Pill To a Rape Victim |
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in alt.atheism
The fact is, we draw the line somewhere and for a Christian, aiding
a murder is where we must draw the line.
The woman was raped for Christ's sake!
Where the heck does the moron get "murder" from?
Preventing a blob of cells from implanting itself into the uteran
wall is considered murder by the cell-worshippers out there. That
little blob of cells is a potential human being, even though it
doesn't have a brain or heart or lungs or any other organs that
most people consider necessary to be human.
I guess that's the bottom line in this whole thing, isn't it?
Some people, like the pharmacists who got fired believe that, and
many, or maybe even most people disagree with them.
Nevermind that the woman was raped, or that naturally, not
all fertilized eggs manage to implant themselves and become
viable fetuses.
By supporting the denial of a "morning after" pill for rape victims,
people like Pastor Dave are ignoring all the horrors of being raped
in the first place. They seem to have no compassion at all for the
women involved. It's pitiful, really, in my opinion.
The potential baby which might have come about because of the
rape which God didn't feel necessary to stop, might grow up to
think of itself as a "gift from God," or might even become President
some day, championing the benefits of rape. Or it might follow in its
own father's footsteps, if it happens to be a male child, raping more
women in the future. If it's a female child, then the little girl can
thank her daddy for raping her mother. Yeah boy!
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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24 Feb 2004 08:22:15 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:36:42 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
You could always just tell her, "I don't agree with your decision,
although I respect your right to make your own decisions," and
leave it at that, right? Agree to disagree, in other words.
You also seem to assume that a child is on the same
level of maturity and wisdom as their parents.
They're dealing with the real world out there in the schools
and on the streets and in their own homes. I think many times
they know better than their parents do. Not all of the time, mind
you, but some of the time.
"Many times" does not equal "sometimes".
You seem to think that children are automatically at
the level of maturity that their parents have.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Feb 2004 09:07:12 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
You could always just tell her, "I don't agree with your decision,
although I respect your right to make your own decisions," and
leave it at that, right? Agree to disagree, in other words.
You also seem to assume that a child is on the same
level of maturity and wisdom as their parents.
They're dealing with the real world out there in the schools
and on the streets and in their own homes. I think many times
they know better than their parents do. Not all of the time, mind
you, but some of the time.
"Many times" does not equal "sometimes".
It's enough to prove you wrong some of the time, don't
you agree?
You seem to think that children are automatically at
the level of maturity that their parents have.
I think some of them are even "more mature" than their
own parents.
Is that a shocker, or an impossibility to you?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "B. Kildow" |
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| Title: Re: Eckerd Pharmacist Fired For Refusing To Dispense Day After PillTo a Rape Victim |
23 Feb 2004 07:23:53 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:54:16 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
You could always just tell her, "I don't agree with your decision,
although I respect your right to make your own decisions," and
leave it at that, right? Agree to disagree, in other words.
You also seem to assume that a child is on the same
level of maturity and wisdom as their parents.
In your case, that really isn't a difficult assumption to make.
BK
AA#1992
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| User: "B. Kildow" |
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| Title: Re: Eckerd Pharmacist Fired For Refusing To Dispense Day After PillTo a Rape Victim |
23 Feb 2004 09:40:52 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:54:54 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Pastor Dave wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Very simple. I would want the criminal punished and
love my daughter and the child.
What do you think your daughter might want? Or did that thought
never enter your mind?
My daughter would be raised in a home in which she
understood the difference between punishing the guilty
and punishing the innocent. She would be raised to
understand that the child is not responsible for the
acts of someone else.
Maybe she'd conclude that there isn't really anything resembling
a child until at least a few weeks, and that the morning after pill
doesn't really kill a child, like you think it does.
I know it is hard or you to understand real love.
This is obviously a foreign concept to people like you, who want to
murder the innocent child, when your anger should be focused on
the rapist.
Oh, I definitely agree that the rapist should be punished.
Severely, in fact. If he's raped more than once and shows a
pattern of doing it over and over, then the punishment should be
even more severe, maybe even castration or sterilization. I take
rape pretty seriously because I know how horrible it is for a woman
to go through, and if she doesn't wanna have the rapists baby and
decides to take a morning after pill, then that's her choice. I would
gladly sell her one, if I were a pharmacist.
Thereby circumventing the wishes of the parents and not
caring, as long as you promote your agenda. Give
control to the children and then wonder why the parents
are helpless to control them, when they run wild.
Oddly enough, the parents of the victim (and why are you assuming
the victim is a minor?
I've lost track or never knew how old the woman in the current
story is. Do you remember for sure?
If the victim is, say, 30, does she get to make her
own mind up then?)
Good question. From what Pastor Dave has said, that
probably wouldn't make any difference to him. Even if his
daughter had been moved out of the house and was off on
her own, perhaps with a husband and family, he sounds like
he might still try to push his beliefs on her, somehow. Maybe
by threatening to disinherit her or something, if she decided to
take a morning after pill. Control freak behaviour? I think so, but
maybe I'm wrong.
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
Of course parents will teach their children whatever beliefs or values
they, the parents, hold dear. Just as naturally, there will come a
point where the child will decide for itself which of those it chooses
to continue to hold and which it will reject or modify. Your above
statement still seems to beg the question: at what point are you willing
to concede that your daughter is capable of making her own decisions?
You keep speaking of "circumventing the wishes of the parents", but
never mention what the individual might want. I read Mr. Willis'
comment about "pushing beliefs" as, from the statements you've made so
far, you would attempt to browbeat your adult daughter into doing
something other than what she wanted to do. From what you've written so
far, I could easily imagine you attempting that.
BK
AA#1992
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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23 Feb 2004 10:49:44 AM |
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B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Pastor Dave wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
If the victim is, say, 30, does she get to make her
own mind up then?)
Good question. From what Pastor Dave has said, that
probably wouldn't make any difference to him. Even if his
daughter had been moved out of the house and was off on
her own, perhaps with a husband and family, he sounds like
he might still try to push his beliefs on her, somehow. Maybe
by threatening to disinherit her or something, if she decided to
take a morning after pill. Control freak behaviour? I think so, but
maybe I'm wrong.
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
Of course parents will teach their children whatever beliefs or values
they, the parents, hold dear. Just as naturally, there will come a
point where the child will decide for itself which of those it chooses
to continue to hold and which it will reject or modify.
Yep. An example of evolutionary beliefs or even social
mind memes or ideas being passed on. Some stick, some don't.
Your above statement still seems to beg the question: at what
point are you willing to concede that your daughter is capable of
making her own decisions?
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
Surely that can't be the bottom line, can it?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "B. Kildow" |
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| Title: Re: Eckerd Pharmacist Fired For Refusing To Dispense Day After PillTo a Rape Victim |
23 Feb 2004 07:23:10 PM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Pastor Dave wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
<snip>
If the victim is, say, 30, does she get to make her
own mind up then?)
Good question. From what Pastor Dave has said, that
probably wouldn't make any difference to him. Even if his
daughter had been moved out of the house and was off on
her own, perhaps with a husband and family, he sounds like
he might still try to push his beliefs on her, somehow. Maybe
by threatening to disinherit her or something, if she decided to
take a morning after pill. Control freak behaviour? I think so, but
maybe I'm wrong.
You seem to forget, that "pushing beliefs" onto
children is a proper parents job. Do you teach your
children that murder is wrong? If so, aren't you just
"pushing your beliefs" on them?
Of course parents will teach their children whatever beliefs or values
they, the parents, hold dear. Just as naturally, there will come a
point where the child will decide for itself which of those it chooses
to continue to hold and which it will reject or modify.
Yep. An example of evolutionary beliefs or even social
mind memes or ideas being passed on. Some stick, some don't.
Your above statement still seems to beg the question: at what
point are you willing to concede that your daughter is capable of
making her own decisions?
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
Surely that can't be the bottom line, can it?
Well, you know, "non-virgin"="damaged goods" on the ol' bride market...
;) I think it's more a case of "If my heretical daughter is obtaining
birth control without my permission, that means she's having sex!!!
What else is she doing that I don't know about?!??!" Followed by a
severe panic attack due to loss of control.
BK
AA#1992
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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24 Feb 2004 06:56:38 AM |
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B. Kildow <tracker99@spamenot.foxinternet.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
<snip>
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
Surely that can't be the bottom line, can it?
Well, you know, "non-virgin"="damaged goods" on the ol' bride market...
;) I think it's more a case of "If my heretical daughter is obtaining
birth control without my permission, that means she's having sex!!!
What else is she doing that I don't know about?!??!" Followed by a
severe panic attack due to loss of control.
Has Dave actually admitted to having a daughter and watching
her grow through puberty into womanhood? I admit I haven't
gone through it myself, but I can't imagine myself forcing or
telling my daughter that she should marry her rapist and have
his child.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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23 Feb 2004 01:03:54 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:49:44 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
If she was being responsible, she wouldn't be having
sex out of wedlock and being responsible does not
equate to getting rid of the consequences for your
actions. It equates to facing up to them and dealing
with them. I however, do not consider children to be a
punishment.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose
you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye
dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the
LORD. - Joshua 24:15
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23 Feb 2004 01:25:32 PM |
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In article <pijk30prv4nei547as5qsua2fbhcmhdgus@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:49:44 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
If she was being responsible, she wouldn't be having
sex out of wedlock and being responsible does not
equate to getting rid of the consequences for your
actions. It equates to facing up to them and dealing
with them. I however, do not consider children to be a
punishment.
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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24 Feb 2004 06:47:32 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
In article <pijk30prv4nei547as5qsua2fbhcmhdgus@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:49:44 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
It has to be at least 18 years old, since that's the law around
here, according to Pastor Dave. I agree with him in a way, but
I seem to remember that young women can get birth control
without their parents knowing about it, and have the support
of Planned Parenthood.
I wonder if that's what Pastor Dave is talking about when he
says that young girls are "lying to their parents" when they choose
to practice birth control?
Oh dear, my daughter is taking responsibility for her own body, and
is being careful not to produce or allow an unwanted pregnancy.
If she was being responsible, she wouldn't be having
sex out of wedlock and being responsible does not
equate to getting rid of the consequences for your
actions. It equates to facing up to them and dealing
with them. I however, do not consider children to be a
punishment.
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Many fossils have been collected since 1859, tons of
them, yet the impact they have had on our understanding
of the relationships between living organisms is barely
perceptible. ...In fact, I do not think it unfair to
say that fossils, or at least the traditional
interpretation of fossils, have clouded rather than
clarified our attempts to reconstruct phylogeny."
(Fortey, P. L., "Neontological Analysis Versus
Palaeontological Stores," 1982, p. 120-121)
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24 Feb 2004 08:14:12 AM |
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In article <ithm30hlvfgffge9gcl4q7tjgqllp8pjn5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
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So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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24 Feb 2004 11:40:01 AM |
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On % in episode <U_I_b.4226$_4.273@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <ithm30hlvfgffge9gcl4q7tjgqllp8pjn5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
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So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
<brrrrr>
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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24 Feb 2004 02:54:57 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.02.24.17.40.00.257894@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On % in episode <U_I_b.4226$_4.273@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <ithm30hlvfgffge9gcl4q7tjgqllp8pjn5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
snip
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
<brrrrr>
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product of
rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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25 Feb 2004 08:43:43 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:54:57 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
In article <pan.2004.02.24.17.40.00.257894@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On % in episode <U_I_b.4226$_4.273@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <ithm30hlvfgffge9gcl4q7tjgqllp8pjn5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
snip
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
<brrrrr>
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product of
rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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26 Feb 2004 12:21:57 PM |
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In article <6cvr30l24vqd7kfig3ipiiuvk48c6ntjpu@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
Watch out - Pasturbating Dave is gonna plonk you! ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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26 Feb 2004 09:33:36 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:57 +0000 in episode
<9Pq%b.4561$_4.309@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <6cvr30l24vqd7kfig3ipiiuvk48c6ntjpu@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
Watch out - Pasturbating Dave is gonna plonk you! ;)
He loves to play with his plonker he does...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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27 Feb 2004 06:06:38 AM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says...
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around
that would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was
the product of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
Watch out - Pasturbating Dave is gonna plonk you! ;)
Maybe I hit the nail on the head? Hmm...
He doesn't seem to be responding to me, but I haven't seen him say
that he's plonked me, yet.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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27 Feb 2004 08:33:17 AM |
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In article <sccu305u6u317jbfao4151k65hn29rvbui@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says...
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around
that would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was
the product of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
Watch out - Pasturbating Dave is gonna plonk you! ;)
Maybe I hit the nail on the head? Hmm...
He doesn't seem to be responding to me, but I haven't seen him say
that he's plonked me, yet.
I did see a post where he was threatening to do so. Just ask him a few more
uncomfortable questions and he'll be tossing you in this bozo bin ;)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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27 Feb 2004 06:21:19 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:09:52 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
No, it isn't, but it doesn't surprise me that you would
go there. The fact is, that if that were true, then I
would be in a better position than you to judge the
situation and you would have shot yourself in the foot
with that question.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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27 Feb 2004 07:27:57 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
No, it isn't, but it doesn't surprise me that you would
go there. The fact is, that if that were true, then I
would be in a better position than you to judge the
situation and you would have shot yourself in the foot
with that question.
Only if I believed in some soul idea, and that it's implanted by some
god at the moment of conception. Since I don't believe that, then it
wouldn't make any difference to me. I have no problem at all with a
day or morning after pill at all. Why do you?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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27 Feb 2004 08:46:55 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:27:57 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Pastor Dave says...
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the product
of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
Yea, it would have been better for him to murder him.
Is it possible that you've discovered that you yourself are a product
of rape, and are supporting rape because if not for rape, you would
never have come to exist?
No, it isn't, but it doesn't surprise me that you would
go there. The fact is, that if that were true, then I
would be in a better position than you to judge the
situation and you would have shot yourself in the foot
with that question.
Only if I believed in some soul idea, and that it's implanted by some
god at the moment of conception. Since I don't believe that, then it
wouldn't make any difference to me. I have no problem at all with a
day or morning after pill at all. Why do you?
Is it life? Yes. Now ask yourself what would happen 9
months later.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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25 Feb 2004 05:57:17 AM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the
product of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
What did you think of the latest Friends episode where Monica and
Chandler's "baby to be" might be the son of a shovel killer? They
tried to make jokes about it, but it's something that's sure to be a
concern for people who are about to adopt a child, not to mention
being something that the child itself might find uncomfortable.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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25 Feb 2004 08:35:24 AM |
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In article <s43p30t10qnuf168d54gg1j7jsi4t80c58@4ax.com>, Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the
product of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
What did you think of the latest Friends episode where Monica and
Chandler's "baby to be" might be the son of a shovel killer?
Ack! As an adoptee, I find stuff like that to be extremely offensive, which is
why I didn't watch the show.
They
tried to make jokes about it, but it's something that's sure to be a
concern for people who are about to adopt a child, not to mention
being something that the child itself might find uncomfortable.
You ain't kidding. While I do know a great deal about my bmom's side of the
family (And actually met her for the first time, as well as my half-sis, two
weeks ago today), it does bother me that I know hardly anything about my bdad
(other than the fact that he was tall, had blue eyes, brown hair and played
football in college). I don't personally think he's a serial killer, but
there's gotta be some reason why my bmom won't tell me his last name. Eeek.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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26 Feb 2004 07:47:31 AM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis says...
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I know someone who's an adoptee that recently found out he was the
product of rape. Talking about getting one's head fucked up :(
What did you think of the latest Friends episode where Monica and
Chandler's "baby to be" might be the son of a shovel killer?
Ack! As an adoptee, I find stuff like that to be extremely offensive,
which is why I didn't watch the show.
You heard about it beforehand, and decided not to watch it? Or don't
you normally watch it? I had you figured for a Friends fan for some
reason.
They tried to make jokes about it, but it's something that's sure to be a
concern for people who are about to adopt a child, not to mention
being something that the child itself might find uncomfortable.
You ain't kidding. While I do know a great deal about my bmom's side
of the family (And actually met her for the first time, as well as my half-sis,
two weeks ago today), it does bother me that I know hardly anything about
my bdad (other than the fact that he was tall, had blue eyes, brown hair and
played football in college). I don't personally think he's a serial killer, but
there's gotta be some reason why my bmom won't tell me his last name.
Eeek.
Did you back off, or have you tried to put on some pressure to try to
find out what the deal is?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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25 Feb 2004 08:43:18 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:40:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<y@hoo.com-amikchi> spake thusly:
On % in episode <U_I_b.4226$_4.273@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <ithm30hlvfgffge9gcl4q7tjgqllp8pjn5@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave says...
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:32 GMT, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> spake thusly:
snip
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as a result,
would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And would you force your
daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing. I do not hate children,
because o the actions of an adult. The criminal act
committed by the rapist would not be a blessing.
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
<brrrrr>
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
Yea, it's better to make her a murderer.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp
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25 Feb 2004 09:43:05 AM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Mark K. Bilbo <y@hoo.com-amikchi> spake thusly:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>:
So, then you WOULD force your 12 year old to have her rapist's child. How
wonderful.
2nd question: Would you force her to keep it?
<brrrrr>
"The child would be a blessing."
Can you imagine? A young girl, traumatized by rape, is forced to go
through with the pregnancy and then there would be this being around that
would remind her every day of the rape?
I don't think I can stand to look too closely at those dynamics...
Yea, it's better to make her a murderer.
Unless you consider a one or two day old blob of cells as a
human being with a soul, why should it matter to you?
Maybe you do, and that's your whole problem?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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24 Feb 2004 07:42:47 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff spake thusly:
<snip>
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as
a result, would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And
would you force your daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing.
Good Gawd or G-d, or Jehovah, or Jesus or Zeus, I just can't believe
what I'm reading here.
Oh well... I guess it shouldn't be that much of a surprise,
should it?
Rape is the way gods propagate themselves. That's the bottom
line, isn't it, Pastor Dave?
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Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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27 Feb 2004 06:19:57 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:42:47 GMT, Elroy Willis
<elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff spake thusly:
<snip>
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as
a result, would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And
would you force your daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing.
Good Gawd or G-d, or Jehovah, or Jesus or Zeus, I just can't believe
what I'm reading here.
That is because you don't understand love.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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27 Feb 2004 07:01:12 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff spake thusly:
<snip>
So, if your 12-year-old daughter was raped and became pregnant as
a result, would you consider the subsequent child a "blessing" - And
would you force your daughter to keep it?
The child would be a blessing.
Good Gawd or G-d, or Jehovah, or Jesus or Zeus, I just can't believe
what I'm reading here.
That is because you don't understand love.
Love of male domination over women? You're right.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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