Religions > Bible > Re: Errant Parts of the Bible (WAS: Mormons Burning)
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20 Sep 2004 07:16:53 AM |
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Re: Errant Parts of the Bible (WAS: Mormons Burning) |
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged. To be an atheists one
must DISbelieve in that invisible, hairy old warrior in the sky, similar to
Zeus or Odin, an image of God formed in childhood and in which no theist
believes.
But to a Christian, God is the God of Christ, a Spirit, Abba, Daddy, our
glorious, loving and gracious Father which is in heaven, our "God is love"
(1 John 4:8,16). Only when one accepts the Christian definition of God, does
the term "God" make sense. See below definitions and how Christ explains the
term to atheist Philip.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Errant Parts of the Bible -- |
20 Sep 2004 09:10:00 PM |
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Pastor Fank wrote:
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ks8hec0rilb72@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:2r6hucF175kjqU1@uni-berlin.de...
Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged.
===>Those of us who are fortunate, realize there is
not even any uniform IDEA of a "God".
The rest either remain "atheists", or, what is worse, accept somebody's
insane idea of a being he/she had called "God", with BOTH "theists"
AND "atheists" being guilty of being unable to define what it is they are
believing or disbelieving.
They come up with ridiculous, meaningless statements, such as
"God is SPIRIT" or "God is LOVE", with which they signify
or clarify absolutely NOTHING. They simply admit they don't really
know what they are talking about. -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Errant Parts of the Bible -- |
23 Sep 2004 04:57:10 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Fank wrote:
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ks8hec0rilb72@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:2r6hucF175kjqU1@uni-berlin.de...
Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged.
===>Those of us who are fortunate, realize there is
not even any uniform IDEA of a "God".
Yes one must be quite fortunate to be 'off one's rocker' as we Brits say!
Ha Ha
The rest either remain "atheists", or, what is worse, accept somebody's
insane idea of a being he/she had called "God", with BOTH "theists"
AND "atheists" being guilty of being unable to define what it is they are
believing or disbelieving.
They come up with ridiculous, meaningless statements, such as
"God is SPIRIT" or "God is LOVE", with which they signify
or clarify absolutely NOTHING. They simply admit they don't really
know what they are talking about. -- L.
well well well, I have never heard any atheist say these things. Maybe you are
trying to use this just to give some oblique credence to your meaningless
myth!?
bob
Humanist atheist Brit
Hong Kong
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the
height of stupidity. We are given senses to receive our information within.
With our own eyes we see, and with our own skin we feel. With our intelligence,
it is intended that we understand. But each person must puzzle it out for
himself or herself.
[Sophy Burnham]
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Errant Parts of the Bible -- What "God"? |
23 Sep 2004 10:39:14 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
Pastor Fank wrote:
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ks8hec0rilb72@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:2r6hucF175kjqU1@uni-berlin.de...
Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged.
===>Those of us who are fortunate, realize there is
not even any uniform IDEA of a "God".
Yes one must be quite fortunate to be 'off one's rocker' as we Brits say!
Ha Ha
The rest either remain "atheists", or, what is worse, accept somebody's
insane idea of a being he/she had called "God", with BOTH "theists"
AND "atheists" being guilty of being unable to define what it is they are
believing or disbelieving.
They come up with ridiculous, meaningless statements, such as
"God is SPIRIT" or "God is LOVE", with which they signify
or clarify absolutely NOTHING. They simply admit they don't really
know what they are talking about. -- L.
well well well, I have never heard any atheist say these things. Maybe you are
trying to use this just to give some oblique credence to your meaningless
myth!?
===>What "myth" are you referring to?
bob
Humanist atheist Brit
Hong Kong
===>What does "atheist" mean to you?
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the
height of stupidity.
===>I agree.
But to say you DON'T believe in "God" is also meaningless unless
you define what that word means to you.
If THAT is what it means, fine. However, there are other definitions.
Have you heard of Einstein and "Spinoza's God"???
I assure you, it does exist! ;-)
We are given senses to receive our information within.
With our own eyes we see, and with our own skin we feel. With our intelligence,
it is intended that we understand. But each person must puzzle it out for
himself or herself.
[Sophy Burnham]
===>"Given"??? "Intended"???
Strange, anthropomorphic notions! -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Errant Parts of the Bible (WAS: Mormons Burning) |
23 Sep 2004 04:43:28 AM |
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Pastor Fank wrote:
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ks8hec0rilb72@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:2r6hucF175kjqU1@uni-berlin.de...
Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged. To be an atheists one
must DISbelieve in that invisible, hairy old warrior in the sky, similar to
Zeus or Odin, an image of God formed in childhood and in which no theist
believes.
Well your Great Great Grandpappy did Flunkie, so why has everything changed?
Why, of course, in order to prop up a myth in line with man's progressive
approach to religions and other superstitions from years gone by.
Some now say that their 'god' is simply something in the mind and in the mind
of others. I won't quarrel with that, but how far can one get from the 'god'
of the New Testament with that theory!
He was supposed to have sent us his only begotten son and then return him to
sit on his right hand. Sounds EXACTLY what one would expect from an old
goatherder writing a simple story for the folks of his era don't it?!
Christ!!!!
But to a Christian, God is the God of Christ, a Spirit, Abba, Daddy, our
glorious, loving and gracious Father which is in heaven, our "God is love"
(1 John 4:8,16). Only when one accepts the Christian definition of God, does
the term "God" make sense. See below definitions and how Christ explains the
term to atheist Philip.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" The Christian meaning of the word according to scripture:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: GOD IS A SPIRIT: and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:
and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8: Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10: Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Errant Parts of the Bible (WAS: Mormons Burning) |
23 Sep 2004 10:41:50 AM |
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bob young wrote:
Pastor Fank wrote:
"rlb" <rbak01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ks8hec0rilb72@corp.supernews.com...
"Icarus" <icarus_uk@email.com> wrote in message
news:2r6hucF175kjqU1@uni-berlin.de...
Pastor Dave wrote:
But hey, we know you wouldn't troll
religious news groups looking to attack peoples' faith.
No, of course not. Not an atheist. They wouldn't do
that, right?
On the contrary, I'd say it's the *responsibility* of atheists to do
just that, otherwise the religious might never get the help they need
to open their eyes to the truth, and become atheists themselves. In
the US in particular, it seems to be quite common for people to have
started off with unquestioning acceptance of their family or
community's particular religion, only later realising it was nonsense,
and I bet having the opportunity to listen to atheists talking sense
helped in a lot of those cases. Hence it must be a Good Thing to
attack religious faith. Why on Earth would it be wrong to try to help
people in that way?
None, if indeed this is your true reason ! G
As usual atheists have it all reversed. We were all born
atheists -without (knowledge of) God, but only a few remain so, those
severely perceptually and philosophically challenged. To be an atheists one
must DISbelieve in that invisible, hairy old warrior in the sky, similar to
Zeus or Odin, an image of God formed in childhood and in which no theist
believes.
Well your Great Great Grandpappy did Flunkie, so why has everything changed?
Why, of course, in order to prop up a myth in line with man's progressive
approach to religions and other superstitions from years gone by.
Some now say that their 'god' is simply something in the mind and in the mind
of others. I won't quarrel with that, but how far can one get from the 'god'
of the New Testament with that theory!
He was supposed to have sent us his only begotten son and then return him to
sit on his right hand. Sounds EXACTLY what one would expect from an old
goatherder writing a simple story for the folks of his era don't it?!
Christ!!!!
===>It IS a goatherder story with a special spin put on by
Sheepherder Frank! ;-) -- L.
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