On Dec 19, 1:14 pm, "Allen L. Barker" <a...@datafilter.com> wrote:

On Dec 19, 12:29 am, "Allen L. Barker" <a...@datafilter.com> wrote:

There is nothing subtle about true happiness. It comes when you can
dematerialize and materialize the body and any other object at will.
This is in a sense a magic trick, but it is the supreme magic trick
that is tantamount to liberation. Those who think it is something
subtle are fooling themselves big time.

It's a joriki. Dematerialize the body, etc., is a fun
one, but it isn't liberation. Make the body giant and
stomp around like Godzilla is also a fun one, but it
still isn't liberation. Don't cling to it, and
push on. Who is willing it?

It sounds like you meditate, but keep meditating.
Observe the makyo and let it float on by.

I don't believe you. The only modern "Zen Master" able to do this has
been Babaji Mahavatar. You have no idea what it entails. If you
think you do, pray tell, but in detail. I know what it entails, but I
can't do it, nor can you.

What am I supposedly claiming, that you don't
believe? Would you literally murder the
Buddha's physical body if you met him on the
road? Where is the body created, as separate
from anything else?

Taken literally I'd consider dematerializing the
body to be superstitious, like claims that Yogic
"flying" in the physical world is something more
than just hopping around in the lotus position.
But it *is* an achievable meditation state, with
some practice.

I don't know who Babaji Mahavatar is. Did he
supposedly claim something that you *do* believe?
What do you think it entails?

Babaji is the most important figure in the spiritual history of planet
earth. He was known as Krishna in the East and Archangel Michael, the
angel of the LORD, in the West. Moses saw Him in the burning bush,
and all that is genuine about the old testament comes from Him. He
took the form of Babaji for the Incarnation of Jesus, who actually
called Him ABBA, or Aleph Beth Aleph in the Hebrew. He is the I AM
THAT I AM, or EHYEH ASHER EHYEH, or AHJH ASR AHJH in Hebrew letters.
He was the Heavenly Father of Jesus, while Jesus was incarnated in the
flesh.

In Buddhism, He is the Kalachakra deity, and He is well know by all
high lamas in Nepal and Tibet. He is Badrinarayan, and His ashram is
near Badrinath and has been there since his incarnation in 203 A.D.
He is fully enlightened and literally immortal. He is omniscient. He
is the bija of Zen enlightenment, the seed of Tara energy that leads
to the infinite consciousness of Avalokiteshvara. gate gate paragate
parasamgate bodhi svaha.

As for what dematerialization entails, I will wait and see how you
react to the above information.

OM KRIYA BABAJI NAMA AUM.