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Re: FALSE APOSTLE PAUL PART 1, ping psalmsmith |
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver, adhere to?
Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is
..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:
... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are three main
spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament
is of force after men are dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in
force before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the appearance of Jesus.
For the "Baptism of John, like the law" having a shadow of good things to come, and
not the very image of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John was
also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism. Washing of the outer man,
is a carnal act. Washing of the inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or
salvation, is a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial baptism, he
had to be of the house of Levi. There was no higher authority on earth, than a Levite,
who was also a prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of Jesus.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to
circumvent the law. Only a Levite was allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's. Heb 8:4
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, Jesus was not a ceremonial Priest
of the house of Levi. He had no authority to tell the disciples they could perform
ceremonial baptism's. This would be a transgression of the law, and counted as sin.
The scripture can not be broken. The only people allowed to perform ceremonial
baptism's were of the house of Levi. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire was not
available until after the death of Jesus. Heb 9:17. Mal 2:4 And ye shall know that I
have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, ( you have
corrupted the covenant of Levi,). If a person that IS NOT a Levite, perform's a
ceremonial baptism, it counted as a sin.
Through Jesus came the baptism by the Holy Spirit. This is the cleansing or washing of
the inner man. ( i.e. The Soul ) This baptism can not be performed by man. The carnal
baptism of John, that Paul taught, was made obsolete, by the baptism by the Holy
Spirit. Therefore any person baptized with carnal baptism, has not been saved from
sin. The only people who are authorized to perform such a carnal ceremony are of the
house of Levi. Priest under the Melchizedek Priesthood, are not authorized to perform
carnal ceremony's. The Melchizedek Priesthood is all spiritual and not carnal. All the
water in the world will not wash away one sin. One touch by the Holy Spirit will
remove all sin. Infant baptism is a con by Satan. The hardest people to convince, that
they need salvation, are those that think they are already saved. Washed in the blood.
You are cleansed by his righteousness. Righteousness is the blood of the spirit, which
feeds the spiritual body.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The only people that are allowed to be baptized or washed by the Holy Spirit are those
that believe in Jesus. A person that has never heard of Jesus, can not believe in him.
This includes infants. It is not man's decision, as to who can be saved. "no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the
Father which hath sent me draw him: Jer 31:3 therefore with lovingkindness have I
drawn thee. A man can offer a sacrifice to God, but this does not mean that God has to
accept it, if they were not drawn by God, through Jesus.
Eucharist or Lord's Supper performed as a carnal ceremony is unlawful and a sin,
unless performed by a Levite. Jesus said Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy
the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Therefore, Jesus
would have to commit sin, to institute a carnal ceremony. By Mat 5:17 you make Jesus
a liar by saying he instituted a carnal ceremony. There are no carnal ceremony's in
the spiritual kingdom. All things spiritual. Take eat of my spiritual flesh. The meat
of his word and the bread of life. And drink of my righteousness. It is righteousness
that feeds the spiritual body. Isa 1:13 it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Righteousness is the blood of the spirit.
Jesus had righteousness pumping through his spiritual vain's. If you have the same
righteousness pumping through your spiritual veins, you are of the same blood as
Jesus. To eat of his spiritual flesh is to make his, meat of the word, a part of your
spiritual body. This does not make you the body of Jesus. This does make you A PART OF
the body of Jesus. ( i.e. His Tabernacle. ) Carnal drink or carnal bread, have no part
in the spiritual kingdom. Mal 2:4 that my covenant might be with Levi, Covenant
breakers are not concerned with the truth. There are ten commandments and there are
also ten long bones in the body. Flesh and blood can not stand without bones.
Therefore, bone of my bones. Flesh of my flesh, and blood of my blood. This is the
brotherhood of Jesus.
John's carnal water baptism was made obsolete with the baptism BY the Holy Spirit.
John's water cleansed the outer body. Baptism by the Holy Spirit cleansed the soul.
This is also called salvation. Without this first baptism you could not attain to the
other two baptisms. Trial by fire and baptism IN the Holy Spirit. These take place the
court of the tabernacle. That is, the trunk of the spiritual body. The vital organs of
a body are contained in the trunk of the tabernacle. Jesus made a sacrifice and to
follow his lead, you must also make a sacrifice. This sacrifice is taken at the door
of the tabernacle and then you are moved to the alter of fire. This is where the flesh
of your life is burned away. After this is the washing in the laver, or also called
baptism IN the Holy Spirit, where you are shaped and formed. Jer 1:5 Before I formed
thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I
sanctified thee, This is not the carnal womb of your carnal mother, but the spiritual
womb of the Holy Spirit, your mother. Also called born again, or a second birth.
Without which, you will not rule in the kingdom. These are the three main spiritual
baptisms. After the alter and the laver you shall be called saints. The chosen of the
Lord. The elect of God. The vital organs of the tabernacle. The brotherhood of Jesus.
The stars of heaven. As gold in the furnace hath he tried them, and received them as a
burnt offering.
For what is easer to say. Thy sin's be forgiven or receive thy sight. At the exact
moment of salvation, all sin is removed. This is the baptism or cleansing of the soul.
Therefore when the soul has been cleansed, there is no need for a carnal baptism of
water to wash the outer body. Only a Levite was authorized to perform a carnal
ceremony of baptism with carnal water. To put this in plain language. Many people
claim they were saved by carnal water. Washing the outer man does not clean the soul.
Washing the soul does not clean the outer man. Washed in the blood is the only way to
salvation through Jesus. Drawn by the Father. Convinced of sin by the Holy Spirit and
washed in the blood. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he POWER TO
BECOME the sons. Salvation does not make you a son. But it does give you power to
become a son by entering into the tabernacle for the other two baptisms of spiritual
rebirth. No man can be brought into the kingdom by carnal means.
If the person you are following has no knowledge of the difference between salvation
and rebirth you are in serious trouble. Salvation takes place in an instant. Rebirth
takes time. About three and a half years. If the person you are following does not
know the difference between the soul and the spirit, you need to get away from him.
The soul is controlled by desire and the spirit is controlled by essence. God is a
spirit, so to be in his image, you must have his essence. Thou shalt not steal. This
is a desire of the soul. But if you have the essence of God, your essence of the
spirit, overcomes the desire of the soul. God's essence is in his law. Before a man
can overcome the world, he must overcome himself. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which
ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as
the same anointing teacheth you of all things, Micah 7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put
ye not confidence in a guide: Trust no man with your eternal life.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto
perfection; ...Of the doctrine of baptisms, Paul never reached the higher level of
perfection, because he was aborted. 1 Cor 15:8 He only had knowledge of John's carnal
baptism. Eph 4:5 One Baptism. Heb 6:1 Sets a standard of perfection to reach for,
which Paul never achieved. Therefore, Paul could not be called a Saint because of his
inferior status. It would be a lie to call him a saint. If you tell another person
that Paul was a saint, you are a deceiver. A group of inferior men can not raise
another person to a position ( sainthood ) which they have not achieved themselves. A
person can not be an apostle and not know about the three spiritual baptisms brought
by Jesus.
THE FIRST WITNESS
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: attention , ping psalmsmith |
05 Dec 2006 07:25:24 AM |
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gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver, adhere to?
Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is
..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:
... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are three main
spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament
is of force after men are dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in
force before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the appearance of Jesus.
For the "Baptism of John, like the law" having a shadow of good things to come, and
not the very image of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John was
also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism. Washing of the outer man,
is a carnal act. Washing of the inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or
salvation, is a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial baptism, he
had to be of the house of Levi. There was no higher authority on earth, than a Levite,
who was also a prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of Jesus.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to
circumvent the law. Only a Levite was allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's. Heb 8:4
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, Jesus was not a ceremonial Priest
of the house of Levi. He had no authority to tell the disciples they could perform
ceremonial baptism's. This would be a transgression of the law, and counted as sin.
The scripture can not be broken. The only people allowed to perform ceremonial
baptism's were of the house of Levi. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire was not
available until after the death of Jesus. Heb 9:17. Mal 2:4 And ye shall know that I
have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, ( you have
corrupted the covenant of Levi,). If a person that IS NOT a Levite, perform's a
ceremonial baptism, it counted as a sin.
Through Jesus came the baptism by the Holy Spirit. This is the cleansing or washing of
the inner man. ( i.e. The Soul ) This baptism can not be performed by man. The carnal
baptism of John, that Paul taught, was made obsolete, by the baptism by the Holy
Spirit. Therefore any person baptized with carnal baptism, has not been saved from
sin. The only people who are authorized to perform such a carnal ceremony are of the
house of Levi. Priest under the Melchizedek Priesthood, are not authorized to perform
carnal ceremony's. The Melchizedek Priesthood is all spiritual and not carnal. All the
water in the world will not wash away one sin. One touch by the Holy Spirit will
remove all sin. Infant baptism is a con by Satan. The hardest people to convince, that
they need salvation, are those that think they are already saved. Washed in the blood.
You are cleansed by his righteousness. Righteousness is the blood of the spirit, which
feeds the spiritual body.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The only people that are allowed to be baptized or washed by the Holy Spirit are those
that believe in Jesus. A person that has never heard of Jesus, can not believe in him.
This includes infants. It is not man's decision, as to who can be saved. "no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the
Father which hath sent me draw him: Jer 31:3 therefore with lovingkindness have I
drawn thee. A man can offer a sacrifice to God, but this does not mean that God has to
accept it, if they were not drawn by God, through Jesus.
Eucharist or Lord's Supper performed as a carnal ceremony is unlawful and a sin,
unless performed by a Levite. Jesus said Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy
the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Therefore, Jesus
would have to commit sin, to institute a carnal ceremony. By Mat 5:17 you make Jesus
a liar by saying he instituted a carnal ceremony. There are no carnal ceremony's in
the spiritual kingdom. All things spiritual. Take eat of my spiritual flesh. The meat
of his word and the bread of life. And drink of my righteousness. It is righteousness
that feeds the spiritual body. Isa 1:13 it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Righteousness is the blood of the spirit.
Jesus had righteousness pumping through his spiritual vain's. If you have the same
righteousness pumping through your spiritual veins, you are of the same blood as
Jesus. To eat of his spiritual flesh is to make his, meat of the word, a part of your
spiritual body. This does not make you the body of Jesus. This does make you A PART OF
the body of Jesus. ( i.e. His Tabernacle. ) Carnal drink or carnal bread, have no part
in the spiritual kingdom. Mal 2:4 that my covenant might be with Levi, Covenant
breakers are not concerned with the truth. There are ten commandments and there are
also ten long bones in the body. Flesh and blood can not stand without bones.
Therefore, bone of my bones. Flesh of my flesh, and blood of my blood. This is the
brotherhood of Jesus.
John's carnal water baptism was made obsolete with the baptism BY the Holy Spirit.
John's water cleansed the outer body. Baptism by the Holy Spirit cleansed the soul.
This is also called salvation. Without this first baptism you could not attain to the
other two baptisms. Trial by fire and baptism IN the Holy Spirit. These take place the
court of the tabernacle. That is, the trunk of the spiritual body. The vital organs of
a body are contained in the trunk of the tabernacle. Jesus made a sacrifice and to
follow his lead, you must also make a sacrifice. This sacrifice is taken at the door
of the tabernacle and then you are moved to the alter of fire. This is where the flesh
of your life is burned away. After this is the washing in the laver, or also called
baptism IN the Holy Spirit, where you are shaped and formed. Jer 1:5 Before I formed
thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I
sanctified thee, This is not the carnal womb of your carnal mother, but the spiritual
womb of the Holy Spirit, your mother. Also called born again, or a second birth.
Without which, you will not rule in the kingdom. These are the three main spiritual
baptisms. After the alter and the laver you shall be called saints. The chosen of the
Lord. The elect of God. The vital organs of the tabernacle. The brotherhood of Jesus.
The stars of heaven. As gold in the furnace hath he tried them, and received them as a
burnt offering.
For what is easer to say. Thy sin's be forgiven or receive thy sight. At the exact
moment of salvation, all sin is removed. This is the baptism or cleansing of the soul.
Therefore when the soul has been cleansed, there is no need for a carnal baptism of
water to wash the outer body. Only a Levite was authorized to perform a carnal
ceremony of baptism with carnal water. To put this in plain language. Many people
claim they were saved by carnal water. Washing the outer man does not clean the soul.
Washing the soul does not clean the outer man. Washed in the blood is the only way to
salvation through Jesus. Drawn by the Father. Convinced of sin by the Holy Spirit and
washed in the blood. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he POWER TO
BECOME the sons. Salvation does not make you a son. But it does give you power to
become a son by entering into the tabernacle for the other two baptisms of spiritual
rebirth. No man can be brought into the kingdom by carnal means.
If the person you are following has no knowledge of the difference between salvation
and rebirth you are in serious trouble. Salvation takes place in an instant. Rebirth
takes time. About three and a half years. If the person you are following does not
know the difference between the soul and the spirit, you need to get away from him.
The soul is controlled by desire and the spirit is controlled by essence. God is a
spirit, so to be in his image, you must have his essence. Thou shalt not steal. This
is a desire of the soul. But if you have the essence of God, your essence of the
spirit, overcomes the desire of the soul. God's essence is in his law. Before a man
can overcome the world, he must overcome himself. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which
ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as
the same anointing teacheth you of all things, Micah 7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put
ye not confidence in a guide: Trust no man with your eternal life.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto
perfection; ...Of the doctrine of baptisms, Paul never reached the higher level of
perfection, because he was aborted. 1 Cor 15:8 He only had knowledge of John's carnal
baptism. Eph 4:5 One Baptism. Heb 6:1 Sets a standard of perfection to reach for,
which Paul never achieved. Therefore, Paul could not be called a Saint because of his
inferior status. It would be a lie to call him a saint. If you tell another person
that Paul was a saint, you are a deceiver. A group of inferior men can not raise
another person to a position ( sainthood ) which they have not achieved themselves. A
person can not be an apostle and not know about the three spiritual baptisms brought
by Jesus.
THE FIRST WITNESS
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
.
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| User: "psalmsmith" |
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
05 Dec 2006 10:15:15 PM |
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In article <1165325123.956000.325570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver, adhere to?
Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by Jesus. Eph
4:5 There is
..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto
repentance:
... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are
three main
spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For
a testament
is of force after men are dead: The new spiritual testament could not
have been in
force before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the
appearance of Jesus.
For the "Baptism of John, like the law" having a shadow of good things to
come, and
not the very image of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5.
John was
also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism. Washing of the
outer man,
is a carnal act. Washing of the inner man, called baptism by the Holy
Spirit or
salvation, is a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this
ceremonial baptism, he
had to be of the house of Levi. There was no higher authority on earth,
than a Levite,
who was also a prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of
Jesus.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the
Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse is a forgery! Jesus had no
authority to
circumvent the law. Only a Levite was allowed to perform ceremonial
baptism's. Heb 8:4
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, Jesus was not a
ceremonial Priest
of the house of Levi. He had no authority to tell the disciples they
could perform
ceremonial baptism's. This would be a transgression of the law, and
counted as sin.
The scripture can not be broken. The only people allowed to perform
ceremonial
baptism's were of the house of Levi. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and
fire was not
available until after the death of Jesus. Heb 9:17. Mal 2:4 And ye
shall know that I
have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi,
( you have
corrupted the covenant of Levi,). If a person that IS NOT a Levite,
perform's a
ceremonial baptism, it counted as a sin.
Through Jesus came the baptism by the Holy Spirit. This is the cleansing
or washing of
the inner man. ( i.e. The Soul ) This baptism can not be performed by
man. The carnal
baptism of John, that Paul taught, was made obsolete, by the baptism by
the Holy
Spirit. Therefore any person baptized with carnal baptism, has not been
saved from
sin. The only people who are authorized to perform such a carnal ceremony
are of the
house of Levi. Priest under the Melchizedek Priesthood, are not
authorized to perform
carnal ceremony's. The Melchizedek Priesthood is all spiritual and not
carnal. All the
water in the world will not wash away one sin. One touch by the Holy
Spirit will
remove all sin. Infant baptism is a con by Satan. The hardest people to
convince, that
they need salvation, are those that think they are already saved. Washed
in the blood.
You are cleansed by his righteousness. Righteousness is the blood of the
spirit, which
feeds the spiritual body.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
eternal life.
The only people that are allowed to be baptized or washed by the Holy
Spirit are those
that believe in Jesus. A person that has never heard of Jesus, can not
believe in him.
This includes infants. It is not man's decision, as to who can be saved.
"no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 6:44 No man can come to me,
except the
Father which hath sent me draw him: Jer 31:3 therefore with
lovingkindness have I
drawn thee. A man can offer a sacrifice to God, but this does not mean
that God has to
accept it, if they were not drawn by God, through Jesus.
Eucharist or Lord's Supper performed as a carnal ceremony is unlawful and
a sin,
unless performed by a Levite. Jesus said Mat 5:17 Think not that I am
come to destroy
the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Therefore, Jesus
would have to commit sin, to institute a carnal ceremony. By Mat 5:17
you make Jesus
a liar by saying he instituted a carnal ceremony. There are no carnal
ceremony's in
the spiritual kingdom. All things spiritual. Take eat of my spiritual
flesh. The meat
of his word and the bread of life. And drink of my righteousness. It is
righteousness
that feeds the spiritual body. Isa 1:13 it is iniquity, even the solemn
meeting.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Righteousness is the blood of the
spirit.
Jesus had righteousness pumping through his spiritual vain's. If you have
the same
righteousness pumping through your spiritual veins, you are of the same
blood as
Jesus. To eat of his spiritual flesh is to make his, meat of the word, a
part of your
spiritual body. This does not make you the body of Jesus. This does make
you A PART OF
the body of Jesus. ( i.e. His Tabernacle. ) Carnal drink or carnal bread,
have no part
in the spiritual kingdom. Mal 2:4 that my covenant might be with Levi,
Covenant
breakers are not concerned with the truth. There are ten commandments and
there are
also ten long bones in the body. Flesh and blood can not stand without
bones.
Therefore, bone of my bones. Flesh of my flesh, and blood of my blood.
This is the
brotherhood of Jesus.
John's carnal water baptism was made obsolete with the baptism BY the
Holy Spirit.
John's water cleansed the outer body. Baptism by the Holy Spirit cleansed
the soul.
This is also called salvation. Without this first baptism you could not
attain to the
other two baptisms. Trial by fire and baptism IN the Holy Spirit. These
take place the
court of the tabernacle. That is, the trunk of the spiritual body. The
vital organs of
a body are contained in the trunk of the tabernacle. Jesus made a
sacrifice and to
follow his lead, you must also make a sacrifice. This sacrifice is taken
at the door
of the tabernacle and then you are moved to the alter of fire. This is
where the flesh
of your life is burned away. After this is the washing in the laver, or
also called
baptism IN the Holy Spirit, where you are shaped and formed. Jer 1:5
Before I formed
thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the
womb I
sanctified thee, This is not the carnal womb of your carnal mother, but
the spiritual
womb of the Holy Spirit, your mother. Also called born again, or a second
birth.
Without which, you will not rule in the kingdom. These are the three main
spiritual
baptisms. After the alter and the laver you shall be called saints. The
chosen of the
Lord. The elect of God. The vital organs of the tabernacle. The
brotherhood of Jesus.
The stars of heaven. As gold in the furnace hath he tried them, and
received them as a
burnt offering.
For what is easer to say. Thy sin's be forgiven or receive thy sight. At
the exact
moment of salvation, all sin is removed. This is the baptism or cleansing
of the soul.
Therefore when the soul has been cleansed, there is no need for a carnal
baptism of
water to wash the outer body. Only a Levite was authorized to perform a
carnal
ceremony of baptism with carnal water. To put this in plain language.
Many people
claim they were saved by carnal water. Washing the outer man does not
clean the soul.
Washing the soul does not clean the outer man. Washed in the blood is the
only way to
salvation through Jesus. Drawn by the Father. Convinced of sin by the
Holy Spirit and
washed in the blood. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave
he POWER TO
BECOME the sons. Salvation does not make you a son. But it does give you
power to
become a son by entering into the tabernacle for the other two baptisms
of spiritual
rebirth. No man can be brought into the kingdom by carnal means.
If the person you are following has no knowledge of the difference
between salvation
and rebirth you are in serious trouble. Salvation takes place in an
instant. Rebirth
takes time. About three and a half years. If the person you are following
does not
know the difference between the soul and the spirit, you need to get away
from him.
The soul is controlled by desire and the spirit is controlled by essence.
God is a
spirit, so to be in his image, you must have his essence. Thou shalt not
steal. This
is a desire of the soul. But if you have the essence of God, your essence
of the
spirit, overcomes the desire of the soul. God's essence is in his law.
Before a man
can overcome the world, he must overcome himself. 1 John 2:27 But the
anointing which
ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man
teach you: but as
the same anointing teacheth you of all things, Micah 7:5 Trust ye not in
a friend, put
ye not confidence in a guide: Trust no man with your eternal life.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let
us go on unto
perfection; ...Of the doctrine of baptisms, Paul never reached the higher
level of
perfection, because he was aborted. 1 Cor 15:8 He only had knowledge of
John's carnal
baptism. Eph 4:5 One Baptism. Heb 6:1 Sets a standard of perfection to
reach for,
which Paul never achieved. Therefore, Paul could not be called a Saint
because of his
inferior status. It would be a lie to call him a saint. If you tell
another person
that Paul was a saint, you are a deceiver. A group of inferior men can
not raise
another person to a position ( sainthood ) which they have not achieved
themselves. A
person can not be an apostle and not know about the three spiritual
baptisms brought
by Jesus.
THE
FIRST WITNESS
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
I don't like this statement above. So much saying that scripture was
wrong, Paul was wrong, I believe none of that. The one kernel of truth
I can find in here has to do with the law being spiritual, no longer
carnal. Almost everything else, if not everything else, is junk.
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
06 Dec 2006 09:49:08 AM |
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In article <psalmsmith-D68189.23151505122006@news.giganews.com>,
psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <1165325123.956000.325570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver,
adhere to? Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws
of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by
Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is ..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I
indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: ... he shall
baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are
three main spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of
baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are
dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in force
before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the
appearance of Jesus. For the "Baptism of John, like the law"
having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image
of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John
was also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism.
Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of the
inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is
a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial
baptism, he had to be of the house of Levi. There was no
higher authority on earth, than a Levite, who was also a
prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of
Jesus.
One grain of truth amongst junk: "Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force
after men are dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in
force before the death of Jesus." and "The baptism of John, was a
carnal baptism. Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of
the inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is a
spiritual act."
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse
is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to circumvent the law.
Wrong, Yeshua had ALL authority -- but it was not within His nature to
circumvent the Law. Mat 28:19 is *NOT* a circumvention of the Law.
Only a Levite was allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's. Heb
8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, Jesus
was not a ceremonial Priest of the house of Levi. He had no
authority to tell the disciples they could perform ceremonial
baptism's. This would be a transgression of the law, and
counted as sin. The scripture can not be broken. The only
people allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's were of the
house of Levi. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire was not
available until after the death of Jesus. Heb 9:17. Mal 2:4
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you,
that my covenant might be with Levi, ( you have corrupted the
covenant of Levi,). If a person that IS NOT a Levite,
perform's a ceremonial baptism, it counted as a sin.
Through Jesus came the baptism by the Holy Spirit. This is the
cleansing or washing of the inner man. ( i.e. The Soul ) This
baptism can not be performed by man. The carnal baptism of
John, that Paul taught, was made obsolete, by the baptism by
the Holy Spirit. Therefore any person baptized with carnal
baptism, has not been saved from sin. The only people who are
authorized to perform such a carnal ceremony are of the house
of Levi. Priest under the Melchizedek Priesthood, are not
authorized to perform carnal ceremony's. The Melchizedek
Priesthood is all spiritual and not carnal. All the water in
the world will not wash away one sin. One touch by the Holy
Spirit will remove all sin. Infant baptism is a con by Satan.
The hardest people to convince, that they need salvation, are
those that think they are already saved. Washed in the blood.
You are cleansed by his righteousness. Righteousness is the
blood of the spirit, which feeds the spiritual body.
The one grain of truth here is that "Through Jesus came the baptism by
the Holy Spirit. This is the cleansing or washing of the inner man. (
i.e. The Soul ) This baptism can not be performed by man."
But Paul did NOT only teach a carnal baptism. If I had to find any
fault with what Paul taught on this subject, it would only be that he
over-stressed the physical baptism, as though the Holy Spirit would be
"unable" to baptize a believer without having undergone the physical --
but that was more of a 'playing it safe' hedge on the part of Paul than
any real kind of error.
Also, I agree that infant baptism is almost useless. Infant
/dedication/ is good, but infant baptism is useless.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have eternal life. The only people that are allowed to be
baptized or washed by the Holy Spirit are those that believe
in Jesus. A person that has never heard of Jesus, can not
believe in him. This includes infants. It is not man's
decision, as to who can be saved. "no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me." John 6:44 No man can come to me, except
the Father which hath sent me draw him: Jer 31:3 therefore
with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. A man can offer a
sacrifice to God, but this does not mean that God has to
accept it, if they were not drawn by God, through Jesus.
This is true enough, even though the author sounds a little too heavily
influenced by predestinationism. Free will and predestination work in
concert, and neither to the exclusion of the other.
Eucharist or Lord's Supper performed as a carnal ceremony is
unlawful and a sin, unless performed by a Levite. Jesus said
Now that's just silly. I agree that observing the last supper, or the
Passover, as wholly carnal is to entirely ENTIRELY miss the point. But
to make it a liturgical practice that cn only be administered by a
Levite??
The Levitical priesthod is dead! Our priesthood is now in Messiah!
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Therefore,
Jesus would have to commit sin, to institute a carnal
ceremony. By Mat 5:17 you make Jesus a liar by saying he
instituted a carnal ceremony. There are no carnal ceremony's
in the spiritual kingdom. All things spiritual. Take eat of my
spiritual flesh. The meat of his word and the bread of life.
And drink of my righteousness. It is righteousness that feeds
the spiritual body. Isa 1:13 it is iniquity, even the solemn
meeting.
It is true that the TRUE import behind all these things are their
spiritual reality, yes.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Righteousness is the
blood of the spirit. Jesus had righteousness pumping through
his spiritual vain's. If you have the same righteousness
pumping through your spiritual veins, you are of the same
blood as Jesus. To eat of his spiritual flesh is to make his,
meat of the word, a part of your spiritual body. This does not
make you the body of Jesus. This does make you A PART OF the
body of Jesus. ( i.e. His Tabernacle. ) Carnal drink or carnal
bread, have no part in the spiritual kingdom. Mal 2:4 that my
covenant might be with Levi, Covenant breakers are not
concerned with the truth. There are ten commandments and there
are also ten long bones in the body. Flesh and blood can not
stand without bones. Therefore, bone of my bones. Flesh of my
flesh, and blood of my blood. This is the brotherhood of Jesus.
Some truth with a bad focus on Levi.
John's carnal water baptism was made obsolete with the baptism
BY the Holy Spirit. John's water cleansed the outer body.
Baptism by the Holy Spirit cleansed the soul. This is also
called salvation. Without this first baptism you could not
attain to the other two baptisms. Trial by fire and baptism IN
the Holy Spirit. These take place the court of the tabernacle.
That is, the trunk of the spiritual body. The vital organs of
a body are contained in the trunk of the tabernacle. Jesus
made a sacrifice and to follow his lead, you must also make a
sacrifice. This sacrifice is taken at the door of the
tabernacle and then you are moved to the alter of fire. This
is where the flesh of your life is burned away. After this is
the washing in the laver, or also called baptism IN the Holy
Spirit, where you are shaped and formed. Jer 1:5 Before I
formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, This is not the
carnal womb of your carnal mother, but the spiritual womb of
the Holy Spirit, your mother. Also called born again, or a
second birth. Without which, you will not rule in the kingdom.
These are the three main spiritual baptisms. After the alter
and the laver you shall be called saints. The chosen of the
Lord. The elect of God. The vital organs of the tabernacle.
The brotherhood of Jesus. The stars of heaven. As gold in the
furnace hath he tried them, and received them as a burnt
offering.
This 'trial by fire' concept is interesting, and it is very close to a
belief that I hold as well; upon salvation, a believer begins to go
through a process whereby carnal things are burned away from their life,
a purification process.
For what is easer to say. Thy sin's be forgiven or receive thy
sight. At the exact moment of salvation, all sin is removed.
This is the baptism or cleansing of the soul. Therefore when
the soul has been cleansed, there is no need for a carnal
baptism of water to wash the outer body. Only a Levite was
authorized to perform a carnal ceremony of baptism with carnal
water. To put this in plain language. Many people claim they
were saved by carnal water. Washing the outer man does not
clean the soul. Washing the soul does not clean the outer man.
Washed in the blood is the only way to salvation through
Jesus. Drawn by the Father. Convinced of sin by the Holy
Spirit and washed in the blood. John 1:12 But as many as
received him, to them gave he POWER TO BECOME the sons.
Salvation does not make you a son. But it does give you power
to become a son by entering into the tabernacle for the other
two baptisms of spiritual rebirth. No man can be brought into
the kingdom by carnal means.
That's true enough, water baptism does not, itself, save. Without
genuine faith, and without the call of God on ones life, water baptism
only makes you wet. that should, however, have been obvious.
If the person you are following has no knowledge of the
difference between salvation and rebirth you are in serious
trouble. Salvation takes place in an instant. Rebirth takes
time. About three and a half years. If the person you are
following does not know the difference between the soul and
the spirit, you need to get away from him. The soul is
controlled by desire and the spirit is controlled by essence.
God is a spirit, so to be in his image, you must have his
essence. Thou shalt not steal. This is a desire of the soul.
But if you have the essence of God, your essence of the
spirit, overcomes the desire of the soul. God's essence is in
his law. Before a man can overcome the world, he must overcome
himself. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received
of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you:
but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, Micah
7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a
guide: Trust no man with your eternal life.
Ok, this distinguishment between instant salvation and arduous rebirth
is just weird. Certainly salvation begins a journey of purification,
but that purification lasts a /lifetime/ and not 3.5 years!
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of
Christ, let us go on unto perfection; ...Of the doctrine of
baptisms, Paul never reached the higher level of perfection,
because he was aborted. 1 Cor 15:8 He only had knowledge of
John's carnal baptism. Eph 4:5 One Baptism. Heb 6:1 Sets a
standard of perfection to reach for, which Paul never
achieved. Therefore, Paul could not be called a Saint because
of his inferior status. It would be a lie to call him a saint.
If you tell another person that Paul was a saint, you are a
deceiver. A group of inferior men can not raise another person
to a position ( sainthood ) which they have not achieved
themselves. A person can not be an apostle and not know about
the three spiritual baptisms brought by Jesus.
THE FIRST WITNESS
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will,
may come in!
Gatekeeper
I don't like this statement above. So much saying that scripture
was wrong, Paul was wrong, I believe none of that. The one kernel
of truth I can find in here has to do with the law being spiritual,
no longer carnal. Almost everything else, if not everything else,
is junk.
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
06 Dec 2006 09:19:49 PM |
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psalmsmith wrote:
In article <psalmsmith-D68189.23151505122006@news.giganews.com>,
psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <1165325123.956000.325570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver,
adhere to? Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws
of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by
Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is ..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I
indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: ... he shall
baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are
three main spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of
baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are
dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in force
before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the
appearance of Jesus. For the "Baptism of John, like the law"
having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image
of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John
was also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism.
Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of the
inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is
a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial
baptism, he had to be of the house of Levi. There was no
higher authority on earth, than a Levite, who was also a
prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of
Jesus.
One grain of truth amongst junk: "Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force
after men are dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in
force before the death of Jesus." and "The baptism of John, was a
carnal baptism. Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of
the inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is a
spiritual act."
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse
is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to circumvent the law.
Wrong, Yeshua had ALL authority -- but it was not within His nature to
circumvent the Law. Mat 28:19 is *NOT* a circumvention of the Law.
Only a Levite was allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's. Heb
8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, Jesus
was not a ceremonial Priest of the house of Levi. He had no
authority to tell the disciples they could perform ceremonial
baptism's. This would be a transgression of the law, and
counted as sin. The scripture can not be broken. The only
people allowed to perform ceremonial baptism's were of the
house of Levi. The baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire was not
available until after the death of Jesus. Heb 9:17. Mal 2:4
And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you,
that my covenant might be with Levi, ( you have corrupted the
covenant of Levi,). If a person that IS NOT a Levite,
perform's a ceremonial baptism, it counted as a sin.
Through Jesus came the baptism by the Holy Spirit. This is the
cleansing or washing of the inner man. ( i.e. The Soul ) This
baptism can not be performed by man. The carnal baptism of
John, that Paul taught, was made obsolete, by the baptism by
the Holy Spirit. Therefore any person baptized with carnal
baptism, has not been saved from sin. The only people who are
authorized to perform such a carnal ceremony are of the house
of Levi. Priest under the Melchizedek Priesthood, are not
authorized to perform carnal ceremony's. The Melchizedek
Priesthood is all spiritual and not carnal. All the water in
the world will not wash away one sin. One touch by the Holy
Spirit will remove all sin. Infant baptism is a con by Satan.
The hardest people to convince, that they need salvation, are
those that think they are already saved. Washed in the blood.
You are cleansed by his righteousness. Righteousness is the
blood of the spirit, which feeds the spiritual body.
The one grain of truth here is that "Through Jesus came the baptism by
the Holy Spirit. This is the cleansing or washing of the inner man. (
i.e. The Soul ) This baptism can not be performed by man."
But Paul did NOT only teach a carnal baptism. If I had to find any
fault with what Paul taught on this subject, it would only be that he
over-stressed the physical baptism, as though the Holy Spirit would be
"unable" to baptize a believer without having undergone the physical --
but that was more of a 'playing it safe' hedge on the part of Paul than
any real kind of error.
Also, I agree that infant baptism is almost useless. Infant
/dedication/ is good, but infant baptism is useless.
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have eternal life. The only people that are allowed to be
baptized or washed by the Holy Spirit are those that believe
in Jesus. A person that has never heard of Jesus, can not
believe in him. This includes infants. It is not man's
decision, as to who can be saved. "no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me." John 6:44 No man can come to me, except
the Father which hath sent me draw him: Jer 31:3 therefore
with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. A man can offer a
sacrifice to God, but this does not mean that God has to
accept it, if they were not drawn by God, through Jesus.
This is true enough, even though the author sounds a little too heavily
influenced by predestinationism. Free will and predestination work in
concert, and neither to the exclusion of the other.
Eucharist or Lord's Supper performed as a carnal ceremony is
unlawful and a sin, unless performed by a Levite. Jesus said
Now that's just silly. I agree that observing the last supper, or the
Passover, as wholly carnal is to entirely ENTIRELY miss the point. But
to make it a liturgical practice that cn only be administered by a
Levite??
The Levitical priesthod is dead! Our priesthood is now in Messiah!
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Therefore,
Jesus would have to commit sin, to institute a carnal
ceremony. By Mat 5:17 you make Jesus a liar by saying he
instituted a carnal ceremony. There are no carnal ceremony's
in the spiritual kingdom. All things spiritual. Take eat of my
spiritual flesh. The meat of his word and the bread of life.
And drink of my righteousness. It is righteousness that feeds
the spiritual body. Isa 1:13 it is iniquity, even the solemn
meeting.
It is true that the TRUE import behind all these things are their
spiritual reality, yes.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Righteousness is the
blood of the spirit. Jesus had righteousness pumping through
his spiritual vain's. If you have the same righteousness
pumping through your spiritual veins, you are of the same
blood as Jesus. To eat of his spiritual flesh is to make his,
meat of the word, a part of your spiritual body. This does not
make you the body of Jesus. This does make you A PART OF the
body of Jesus. ( i.e. His Tabernacle. ) Carnal drink or carnal
bread, have no part in the spiritual kingdom. Mal 2:4 that my
covenant might be with Levi, Covenant breakers are not
concerned with the truth. There are ten commandments and there
are also ten long bones in the body. Flesh and blood can not
stand without bones. Therefore, bone of my bones. Flesh of my
flesh, and blood of my blood. This is the brotherhood of Jesus.
Some truth with a bad focus on Levi.
John's carnal water baptism was made obsolete with the baptism
BY the Holy Spirit. John's water cleansed the outer body.
Baptism by the Holy Spirit cleansed the soul. This is also
called salvation. Without this first baptism you could not
attain to the other two baptisms. Trial by fire and baptism IN
the Holy Spirit. These take place the court of the tabernacle.
That is, the trunk of the spiritual body. The vital organs of
a body are contained in the trunk of the tabernacle. Jesus
made a sacrifice and to follow his lead, you must also make a
sacrifice. This sacrifice is taken at the door of the
tabernacle and then you are moved to the alter of fire. This
is where the flesh of your life is burned away. After this is
the washing in the laver, or also called baptism IN the Holy
Spirit, where you are shaped and formed. Jer 1:5 Before I
formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, This is not the
carnal womb of your carnal mother, but the spiritual womb of
the Holy Spirit, your mother. Also called born again, or a
second birth. Without which, you will not rule in the kingdom.
These are the three main spiritual baptisms. After the alter
and the laver you shall be called saints. The chosen of the
Lord. The elect of God. The vital organs of the tabernacle.
The brotherhood of Jesus. The stars of heaven. As gold in the
furnace hath he tried them, and received them as a burnt
offering.
This 'trial by fire' concept is interesting, and it is very close to a
belief that I hold as well; upon salvation, a believer begins to go
through a process whereby carnal things are burned away from their life,
a purification process.
For what is easer to say. Thy sin's be forgiven or receive thy
sight. At the exact moment of salvation, all sin is removed.
This is the baptism or cleansing of the soul. Therefore when
the soul has been cleansed, there is no need for a carnal
baptism of water to wash the outer body. Only a Levite was
authorized to perform a carnal ceremony of baptism with carnal
water. To put this in plain language. Many people claim they
were saved by carnal water. Washing the outer man does not
clean the soul. Washing the soul does not clean the outer man.
Washed in the blood is the only way to salvation through
Jesus. Drawn by the Father. Convinced of sin by the Holy
Spirit and washed in the blood. John 1:12 But as many as
received him, to them gave he POWER TO BECOME the sons.
Salvation does not make you a son. But it does give you power
to become a son by entering into the tabernacle for the other
two baptisms of spiritual rebirth. No man can be brought into
the kingdom by carnal means.
That's true enough, water baptism does not, itself, save. Without
genuine faith, and without the call of God on ones life, water baptism
only makes you wet. that should, however, have been obvious.
If the person you are following has no knowledge of the
difference between salvation and rebirth you are in serious
trouble. Salvation takes place in an instant. Rebirth takes
time. About three and a half years. If the person you are
following does not know the difference between the soul and
the spirit, you need to get away from him. The soul is
controlled by desire and the spirit is controlled by essence.
God is a spirit, so to be in his image, you must have his
essence. Thou shalt not steal. This is a desire of the soul.
But if you have the essence of God, your essence of the
spirit, overcomes the desire of the soul. God's essence is in
his law. Before a man can overcome the world, he must overcome
himself. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received
of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you:
but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, Micah
7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a
guide: Trust no man with your eternal life.
Ok, this distinguishment between instant salvation and arduous rebirth
is just weird. Certainly salvation begins a journey of purification,
but that purification lasts a /lifetime/ and not 3.5 years!
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of
Christ, let us go on unto perfection; ...Of the doctrine of
baptisms, Paul never reached the higher level of perfection,
because he was aborted. 1 Cor 15:8 He only had knowledge of
John's carnal baptism. Eph 4:5 One Baptism. Heb 6:1 Sets a
standard of perfection to reach for, which Paul never
achieved. Therefore, Paul could not be called a Saint because
of his inferior status. It would be a lie to call him a saint.
If you tell another person that Paul was a saint, you are a
deceiver. A group of inferior men can not raise another person
to a position ( sainthood ) which they have not achieved
themselves. A person can not be an apostle and not know about
the three spiritual baptisms brought by Jesus.
THE FIRST WITNESS
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will,
may come in!
Gatekeeper
I don't like this statement above. So much saying that scripture
was wrong, Paul was wrong, I believe none of that. The one kernel
of truth I can find in here has to do with the law being spiritual,
no longer carnal. Almost everything else, if not everything else,
is junk.
I Agree with you about the Junk for sure! Does this type of statement
fit into one of the 5 different groups of Christians that you mentioned
in another thread? Is there a Christian message in this at all? Is this
what Paul referred to as Judaizer?
I am glad that you do not find this material acceptable, I thought
better of you for sure from the other statements that you have made! I
don't know that I am still clear on what you mean by spiritual Law, and
keeping the Law by the Spirit, the Law being the OT Law! I know that
Rom 7 & 8 talk about this sort of living the Christian life, so I am
not sure that I understand that you are saying anything different than
what I already believe, you just use your own vocabulary, and phrases!
So I expect we can look into this more in the future!
Also I plan on making some comments on the thread you started, about
holidays, but I will pick that up on that thread! See you later!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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07 Dec 2006 07:13:07 PM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Dunny Door is open, the King is on His Throne! Whosoever dares, may
come in!
No thanks!
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07 Dec 2006 07:53:38 PM |
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"Mark T" <moi@09755264758769085475975698464> wrote in message
news:4578bc27@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Dunny Door is open, the King is on His Throne! Whosoever dares, may
come in!
No thanks!
From what I know of medieval architecture (cathedrals etc), sometimes there
is an eye shaped window at the East (known as the oculus or **mandorla).
I suppose it's ment to convey that Christ illuminates His body at the
beginning of the new day - or something like that.
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* mandorla (almond shape) or vesica-pisces (fish bladder) symbolise Christ
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13 Dec 2006 11:51:33 AM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
psalmsmith wrote:
In article <psalmsmith-D68189.23151505122006@news.giganews.com>,
psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <1165325123.956000.325570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver,
adhere to? Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws
of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by
Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is ..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I
indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: ... he shall
baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are
three main spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of
baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are
dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in force
before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the
appearance of Jesus. For the "Baptism of John, like the law"
having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image
of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John
was also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism.
Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of the
inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is
a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial
baptism, he had to be of the house of Levi. There was no
higher authority on earth, than a Levite, who was also a
prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of
Jesus.
One grain of truth amongst junk:
Have you ever heard, One mans trash is another mans treasure.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return
unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please,
So this message will go to those who God intends it to go to. I just guess that isn't
you.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse
is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to circumvent the law.
Wrong, Yeshua had ALL authority -- but it was not within His nature to
circumvent the Law. Mat 28:19 is *NOT* a circumvention of the Law.
Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
Jesus came to fulfil the law not to destroy. People like you say Jesus had authorty to
circumvent the law, so when they circumvent the law they can feel justifyed. If Jesus
did not fulfill the law as prophesied of and written in the law. He was not the Jesus
sent by the Father. In circumventing the law he would be correcting God.
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built. The east gate can not be
opened till the temple is santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will
enter in.
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13 Dec 2006 01:32:58 PM |
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(1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
psalmsmith wrote:
In article <psalmsmith-D68189.23151505122006@news.giganews.com>,
psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <1165325123.956000.325570@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
gatekeeper wrote:
Psalmsmith, is what follows what you as a Messianic Beliver,
adhere to? Is this what you mean by obeying the spiritual laws
of God?
(1Wit) wrote:
Paul was ignorant of the three spiritual baptisms brought by
Jesus. Eph 4:5 There is ..ONE baptism, John said, Mat 3:11 I
indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: ... he shall
baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: There are
three main spiritual baptisms. Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of
baptism'S, Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are
dead: The new spiritual testament could not have been in force
before the death of Jesus. John was baptizing, before the
appearance of Jesus. For the "Baptism of John, like the law"
having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image
of the things. John was the son of a Priest. Luke 1:5. John
was also a prophet. The baptism of John, was a carnal baptism.
Washing of the outer man, is a carnal act. Washing of the
inner man, called baptism by the Holy Spirit or salvation, is
a spiritual act. For John to legally perform this ceremonial
baptism, he had to be of the house of Levi. There was no
higher authority on earth, than a Levite, who was also a
prophet. Therefore, John was used to show the authority of
Jesus.
One grain of truth amongst junk:
Have you ever heard, One mans trash is another mans treasure.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return
unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please,
So this message will go to those who God intends it to go to. I just guess that isn't
you.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, ....baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: This verse
is a forgery! Jesus had no authority to circumvent the law.
Wrong, Yeshua had ALL authority -- but it was not within His nature to
circumvent the Law. Mat 28:19 is *NOT* a circumvention of the Law.
Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
Jesus came to fulfil the law not to destroy. People like you say Jesus had authorty to
circumvent the law, so when they circumvent the law they can feel justifyed. If Jesus
did not fulfill the law as prophesied of and written in the law. He was not the Jesus
sent by the Father. In circumventing the law he would be correcting God.
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built. The east gate can not be
opened till the temple is santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will
enter in.
The Temple has been built!
The Temple has been sanctified!
and you are correct, "Only those that are born of the spirit will enter
in."
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
14 Dec 2006 08:02:57 PM |
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"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
(1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built. The east gate can not be
opened till the temple is santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will
enter in.
The Temple has been built!
The Temple has been sanctified!
and you are correct, "Only those that are born of the spirit will enter
in."
Paul could not enter in because he was aborted. 1Cor. 15:8.
Paul was a liar. Rom 3:7. It takes a sick mind to think that God can be glorified by a
lie.
He was a deciever. 2 Cor 12:16 NASB. crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by
deceit. KJV. being crafty, I caught you with guile.
He twisted scripture tring to make a false point. Rom 4:9 for we say that faith was "
reckoned, imputed " to Abraham for righteousness. Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed
God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. The word " believe " means to have
faith. Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted
unto him for righteousness. The word " believed " in this verse actually translates
disbelief or disobey. Or, Abraham disbelieved God.
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
The temple is not finished until the pillar's are in place Rev 3:12 Him that
overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
The temple can not be measured until it is built. Rev 11:1 saying, Rise, and measure
the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. The temple can not be
opened until it is built. Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
Even Pauls description of the temple can not be compleat. 1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that
ye are the temple of God, How can a temple be compleat without all the stones and
pillars in place? 1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual
house,
THE FIRST WITNESS
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
14 Dec 2006 08:40:25 PM |
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In article <jaidneH87aE8mB_YnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@kans.com>, (1Wit)
wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
(1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built.
The east gate can not be opened till the temple is
santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will enter
in.
The Temple has been built!
The Temple has been sanctified!
and you are correct, "Only those that are born of the spirit
will enter in."
Paul could not enter in because he was aborted. 1Cor. 15:8 "And last of them all, he was seen by me, as it were by an abortion.".
1Co 15:9-20 "I am the least of the legates; and am not
worthy to be called a legate; because I persecuted the church of
God. But by the grace of God, I am what I am: and his grace,
that was in me, was not in vain; but I labored more than they
all:--not I, but his grace that was with me. Whether I,
therefore, or whether they, so we preached; and so ye
believed.-- And if the Messiah is proclaimed, as rising from the
dead; how is it that there are some among you, who say, There is
no reviviscence of the dead? And if there is no reviviscence of
the dead, the Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah
hath not risen, our preaching is vain, and your faith also vain.
And we too are found false witnesses of God; for we have
testified concerning God, that he raised up the Messiah, when he
did not raise him up. For, if the dead will not arise, the
Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah rose not, your
faith is inane; and ye are yet in your sins: and also,
doubtless, they who have fallen asleep in the Messiah, have
perished. And if, in this life only, we have hope in the
Messiah, we are the most miserable of all men.-- But now the
Messiah hath risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of
them that slept." [MUR]
Paul
was a liar. Rom 3:7. It takes a sick mind to think that God can
be glorified by a lie. He was a deciever. 2 Cor 12:16 NASB.
crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit. KJV. being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
He twisted scripture tring to
make a false point.
2Co 12:14-21 "Behold, this third time I am ready to come
to you, and I will not burden you; for I seek not yours, but
you: for children ought not to lay up treasures for the parents,
but the parents for their children. And cheerfully will I both
pay my expenses, and also give myself for your souls; although
the more I love you, the less ye love me.-- But perhaps, though
I was not burdensome to you, yet, like a cunning man, I filched
from you by craftiness! Was it by the hand of some other person
whom I sent to you, that I pilfered from you? I requested Titus,
and with him I sent the brethren: did Titus pilfer any thing
from you? Did we not walk in one spirit, and in the same steps?
Do ye again suppose, that we would apologize to you? Before God,
in the Messiah we speak: and all these things, my beloved, are
for the sake of your edification. For I fear, lest I should come
to you and not find you such as I would wish; and lest I also
should be found by you, such as ye would not wish; lest there
should be contention, and envying, and anger, and obstinacy, and
slandering, and murmuring, and insolence, and commotion; lest,
when I come to you, my God should humble me; and I should mourn
over many, who have sinned, and have not repented of the
impurity, the whoredom, and the lasciviousness, which they have
committed." [MUR]
Rom 4:9 for we say that faith was "
reckoned, imputed " to Abraham for righteousness. Gal 3:6 Even
as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for
righteousness. The word " believe " means to have faith. Rom 4:3
Ro 4:1-5 "What then shall we say concerning Abraham the
patriarch, that by the flesh he obtained? But if Abraham was
justified by works, he had ground of glorying; yet not before
God. For what saith the scripture? That Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for righteousness. But to him that
worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as a debt
to him. Whereas, to him that worketh not, but only believeth in
him that justifieth sinners, his faith is accounted to him for
righteousness." [MUR]
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was
counted unto him for righteousness. The word " believed " in
this verse actually translates disbelief or disobey. Or,
Abraham disbelieved God.
Ro 9:12-33 "For it was said: The elder shall be servant
to the younger. As it is written: Jacob have I loved, and Esau
have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there iniquity with
God? Far be it. Behold, to Moses also he said: I will have pity,
on whom I will have pity; and I will be merciful, to whom I will
be merciful. Therefore, it is not of him who is willing, nor of
him who runneth, but of the merciful God. For in the scripture,
he said to Pharaoh: For this very thing, have I raised thee up;
that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
proclaimed in all the earth. Wherefore, he hath pity upon whom
he pleaseth; and whom he pleaseth, he hardeneth.-- But, perhaps
thou wilt say: Of what then doth he complain? For, who hath
resisted his pleasure? Thou, thus! Who art thou? O man; that
thou repliest against God! Shall the potteršs vessel say to the
former of it, Why hast thou formed me so? Hath not the potter
dominion over his clay out of the same mass to make vessels, one
for honor, and another for dishonor? And if God, being disposed
to exhibit his wrath and to make known his power, in abundance
of long-suffering, brought wrath upon the vessels of wrath which
were complete for destruction; and made his mercy flow forth
upon the vessels of mercy, which were prepared by God for glory;
namely, upon us who are called, not of the Jews only, but also
of the Gentiles:-- As also he said in Hosea: I will call them my
people, who were not my people; and will pity, whom I have not
pitied: For it shall be, that in the place where they were
called Not my people, there shall they be called The children of
the living God. And Isaiah proclaimed concerning the children of
Israel: Though the number of the children of Israel should be as
the sand on the sea, a remnant of them will live. He hath
finished and cut short the matter: and the Lord will do it on
the earth. And according to what Isaiah had before said: If the
Lord of hosts had not favored us with a residue, we had been as
Sodom, and had been like Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That
the Gentiles, who ran not after righteousness, have found
righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith: But
Israel, who ran after the law of righteousness, hath not found
the law of righteousness. And why? Because they sought it, not
by faith, but by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that
stumbling-stone: As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a
stumbling-stone, and a stone of offence: and he who believeth in
him, shall not be ashamed."
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The temple is not finished until the pillar's are in place Rev
3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of
my God, The temple can not be measured until it is built. Rev
11:1 saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the
altar, and them that worship therein. The temple can not be
opened until it is built.
set your mind on things above, and cast your gaze heavenward lest it
take you by surprise at His coming.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was
opened in heaven,
Even Pauls description of the temple can not
be compleat. 1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of
God, How can a temple be compleat without all the stones and
pillars in place? 1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are
built up a spiritual house, THE FIRST WITNESS
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
17 Dec 2006 07:19:40 PM |
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psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <jaidneH87aE8mB_YnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@kans.com>, (1Wit)
wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
(1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built.
The east gate can not be opened till the temple is
santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will enter
in.
The Temple has been built!
The Temple has been sanctified!
and you are correct, "Only those that are born of the spirit
will enter in."
Paul could not enter in because he was aborted. 1Cor. 15:8 "And last of them all, he was seen by me, as it were by an abortion.".
1Co 15:9-20 "I am the least of the legates; and am not
worthy to be called a legate; because I persecuted the church of
God. But by the grace of God, I am what I am: and his grace,
that was in me, was not in vain; but I labored more than they
all:--not I, but his grace that was with me. Whether I,
therefore, or whether they, so we preached; and so ye
believed.-- And if the Messiah is proclaimed, as rising from the
dead; how is it that there are some among you, who say, There is
no reviviscence of the dead? And if there is no reviviscence of
the dead, the Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah
hath not risen, our preaching is vain, and your faith also vain.
And we too are found false witnesses of God; for we have
testified concerning God, that he raised up the Messiah, when he
did not raise him up. For, if the dead will not arise, the
Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah rose not, your
faith is inane; and ye are yet in your sins: and also,
doubtless, they who have fallen asleep in the Messiah, have
perished. And if, in this life only, we have hope in the
Messiah, we are the most miserable of all men.-- But now the
Messiah hath risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of
them that slept." [MUR]
Paul
was a liar. Rom 3:7. It takes a sick mind to think that God can
be glorified by a lie. He was a deciever. 2 Cor 12:16 NASB.
crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit. KJV. being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
He twisted scripture tring to
make a false point.
2Co 12:14-21 "Behold, this third time I am ready to come
to you, and I will not burden you; for I seek not yours, but
you: for children ought not to lay up treasures for the parents,
but the parents for their children. And cheerfully will I both
pay my expenses, and also give myself for your souls; although
the more I love you, the less ye love me.-- But perhaps, though
I was not burdensome to you, yet, like a cunning man, I filched
from you by craftiness! Was it by the hand of some other person
whom I sent to you, that I pilfered from you? I requested Titus,
and with him I sent the brethren: did Titus pilfer any thing
from you? Did we not walk in one spirit, and in the same steps?
Do ye again suppose, that we would apologize to you? Before God,
in the Messiah we speak: and all these things, my beloved, are
for the sake of your edification. For I fear, lest I should come
to you and not find you such as I would wish; and lest I also
should be found by you, such as ye would not wish; lest there
should be contention, and envying, and anger, and obstinacy, and
slandering, and murmuring, and insolence, and commotion; lest,
when I come to you, my God should humble me; and I should mourn
over many, who have sinned, and have not repented of the
impurity, the whoredom, and the lasciviousness, which they have
committed." [MUR]
Rom 4:9 for we say that faith was "
reckoned, imputed " to Abraham for righteousness. Gal 3:6 Even
as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for
righteousness. The word " believe " means to have faith. Rom 4:3
Ro 4:1-5 "What then shall we say concerning Abraham the
patriarch, that by the flesh he obtained? But if Abraham was
justified by works, he had ground of glorying; yet not before
God. For what saith the scripture? That Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for righteousness. But to him that
worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as a debt
to him. Whereas, to him that worketh not, but only believeth in
him that justifieth sinners, his faith is accounted to him for
righteousness." [MUR]
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was
counted unto him for righteousness. The word " believed " in
this verse actually translates disbelief or disobey. Or,
Abraham disbelieved God.
Ro 9:12-33 "For it was said: The elder shall be servant
to the younger. As it is written: Jacob have I loved, and Esau
have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there iniquity with
God? Far be it. Behold, to Moses also he said: I will have pity,
on whom I will have pity; and I will be merciful, to whom I will
be merciful. Therefore, it is not of him who is willing, nor of
him who runneth, but of the merciful God. For in the scripture,
he said to Pharaoh: For this very thing, have I raised thee up;
that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
proclaimed in all the earth. Wherefore, he hath pity upon whom
he pleaseth; and whom he pleaseth, he hardeneth.-- But, perhaps
thou wilt say: Of what then doth he complain? For, who hath
resisted his pleasure? Thou, thus! Who art thou? O man; that
thou repliest against God! Shall the potteršs vessel say to the
former of it, Why hast thou formed me so? Hath not the potter
dominion over his clay out of the same mass to make vessels, one
for honor, and another for dishonor? And if God, being disposed
to exhibit his wrath and to make known his power, in abundance
of long-suffering, brought wrath upon the vessels of wrath which
were complete for destruction; and made his mercy flow forth
upon the vessels of mercy, which were prepared by God for glory;
namely, upon us who are called, not of the Jews only, but also
of the Gentiles:-- As also he said in Hosea: I will call them my
people, who were not my people; and will pity, whom I have not
pitied: For it shall be, that in the place where they were
called Not my people, there shall they be called The children of
the living God. And Isaiah proclaimed concerning the children of
Israel: Though the number of the children of Israel should be as
the sand on the sea, a remnant of them will live. He hath
finished and cut short the matter: and the Lord will do it on
the earth. And according to what Isaiah had before said: If the
Lord of hosts had not favored us with a residue, we had been as
Sodom, and had been like Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That
the Gentiles, who ran not after righteousness, have found
righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith: But
Israel, who ran after the law of righteousness, hath not found
the law of righteousness. And why? Because they sought it, not
by faith, but by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that
stumbling-stone: As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a
stumbling-stone, and a stone of offence: and he who believeth in
him, shall not be ashamed."
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The temple is not finished until the pillar's are in place Rev
3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of
my God, The temple can not be measured until it is built. Rev
11:1 saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the
altar, and them that worship therein. The temple can not be
opened until it is built.
set your mind on things above, and cast your gaze heavenward lest it
take you by surprise at His coming.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was
opened in heaven,
Even Pauls description of the temple can not
be compleat. 1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of
God, How can a temple be compleat without all the stones and
pillars in place? 1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are
built up a spiritual house, THE FIRST WITNESS
The ridiculous thing is, you are trying to prove Paul with Paul. I said Paul was a
false prophet. Therefore you are using the words of the false prophet trying to prove
that Paul is a not a false prophet. This is silly.
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
17 Dec 2006 08:03:45 PM |
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In article <fM6dnbadwaVmchjYnZ2dnUVZ_rGinZ2d@kans.com>, (1Wit) wrote:
psalmsmith <psalmsmith@blyahoook.com> wrote:
In article <jaidneH87aE8mB_YnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@kans.com>, (1Wit)
wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
(1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The king can not be in residence untill the temple is built.
The east gate can not be opened till the temple is
santificed. Only those that are born of the spirit will enter
in.
The Temple has been built!
The Temple has been sanctified!
and you are correct, "Only those that are born of the spirit
will enter in."
Paul could not enter in because he was aborted. 1Cor. 15:8 "And last of
them all, he was seen by me, as it were by an abortion.".
1Co 15:9-20 "I am the least of the legates; and am not
worthy to be called a legate; because I persecuted the church of
God. But by the grace of God, I am what I am: and his grace,
that was in me, was not in vain; but I labored more than they
all:--not I, but his grace that was with me. Whether I,
therefore, or whether they, so we preached; and so ye
believed.-- And if the Messiah is proclaimed, as rising from the
dead; how is it that there are some among you, who say, There is
no reviviscence of the dead? And if there is no reviviscence of
the dead, the Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah
hath not risen, our preaching is vain, and your faith also vain.
And we too are found false witnesses of God; for we have
testified concerning God, that he raised up the Messiah, when he
did not raise him up. For, if the dead will not arise, the
Messiah also hath not risen. And if the Messiah rose not, your
faith is inane; and ye are yet in your sins: and also,
doubtless, they who have fallen asleep in the Messiah, have
perished. And if, in this life only, we have hope in the
Messiah, we are the most miserable of all men.-- But now the
Messiah hath risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of
them that slept." [MUR]
Paul
was a liar. Rom 3:7. It takes a sick mind to think that God can
be glorified by a lie. He was a deciever. 2 Cor 12:16 NASB.
crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit. KJV. being
crafty, I caught you with guile.
He twisted scripture tring to
make a false point.
2Co 12:14-21 "Behold, this third time I am ready to come
to you, and I will not burden you; for I seek not yours, but
you: for children ought not to lay up treasures for the parents,
but the parents for their children. And cheerfully will I both
pay my expenses, and also give myself for your souls; although
the more I love you, the less ye love me.-- But perhaps, though
I was not burdensome to you, yet, like a cunning man, I filched
from you by craftiness! Was it by the hand of some other person
whom I sent to you, that I pilfered from you? I requested Titus,
and with him I sent the brethren: did Titus pilfer any thing
from you? Did we not walk in one spirit, and in the same steps?
Do ye again suppose, that we would apologize to you? Before God,
in the Messiah we speak: and all these things, my beloved, are
for the sake of your edification. For I fear, lest I should come
to you and not find you such as I would wish; and lest I also
should be found by you, such as ye would not wish; lest there
should be contention, and envying, and anger, and obstinacy, and
slandering, and murmuring, and insolence, and commotion; lest,
when I come to you, my God should humble me; and I should mourn
over many, who have sinned, and have not repented of the
impurity, the whoredom, and the lasciviousness, which they have
committed." [MUR]
Rom 4:9 for we say that faith was "
reckoned, imputed " to Abraham for righteousness. Gal 3:6 Even
as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for
righteousness. The word " believe " means to have faith. Rom 4:3
Ro 4:1-5 "What then shall we say concerning Abraham the
patriarch, that by the flesh he obtained? But if Abraham was
justified by works, he had ground of glorying; yet not before
God. For what saith the scripture? That Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for righteousness. But to him that
worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as a debt
to him. Whereas, to him that worketh not, but only believeth in
him that justifieth sinners, his faith is accounted to him for
righteousness." [MUR]
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was
counted unto him for righteousness. The word " believed " in
this verse actually translates disbelief or disobey. Or,
Abraham disbelieved God.
Ro 9:12-33 "For it was said: The elder shall be servant
to the younger. As it is written: Jacob have I loved, and Esau
have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there iniquity with
God? Far be it. Behold, to Moses also he said: I will have pity,
on whom I will have pity; and I will be merciful, to whom I will
be merciful. Therefore, it is not of him who is willing, nor of
him who runneth, but of the merciful God. For in the scripture,
he said to Pharaoh: For this very thing, have I raised thee up;
that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
proclaimed in all the earth. Wherefore, he hath pity upon whom
he pleaseth; and whom he pleaseth, he hardeneth.-- But, perhaps
thou wilt say: Of what then doth he complain? For, who hath
resisted his pleasure? Thou, thus! Who art thou? O man; that
thou repliest against God! Shall the potteršs vessel say to the
former of it, Why hast thou formed me so? Hath not the potter
dominion over his clay out of the same mass to make vessels, one
for honor, and another for dishonor? And if God, being disposed
to exhibit his wrath and to make known his power, in abundance
of long-suffering, brought wrath upon the vessels of wrath which
were complete for destruction; and made his mercy flow forth
upon the vessels of mercy, which were prepared by God for glory;
namely, upon us who are called, not of the Jews only, but also
of the Gentiles:-- As also he said in Hosea: I will call them my
people, who were not my people; and will pity, whom I have not
pitied: For it shall be, that in the place where they were
called Not my people, there shall they be called The children of
the living God. And Isaiah proclaimed concerning the children of
Israel: Though the number of the children of Israel should be as
the sand on the sea, a remnant of them will live. He hath
finished and cut short the matter: and the Lord will do it on
the earth. And according to what Isaiah had before said: If the
Lord of hosts had not favored us with a residue, we had been as
Sodom, and had been like Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That
the Gentiles, who ran not after righteousness, have found
righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith: But
Israel, who ran after the law of righteousness, hath not found
the law of righteousness. And why? Because they sought it, not
by faith, but by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that
stumbling-stone: As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a
stumbling-stone, and a stone of offence: and he who believeth in
him, shall not be ashamed."
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever
will, may come in!
Gatekeeper
The temple is not finished until the pillar's are in place Rev
3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of
my God, The temple can not be measured until it is built. Rev
11:1 saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the
altar, and them that worship therein. The temple can not be
opened until it is built.
set your mind on things above, and cast your gaze heavenward lest it
take you by surprise at His coming.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was
opened in heaven,
Even Pauls description of the temple can not
be compleat. 1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of
God, How can a temple be compleat without all the stones and
pillars in place? 1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are
built up a spiritual house, THE FIRST WITNESS
The ridiculous thing is, you are trying to prove Paul with Paul. I said Paul
was a
false prophet. Therefore you are using the words of the false prophet trying
to prove
that Paul is a not a false prophet. This is silly.
Hmm, the above passage in Romans 9 was almost exclusively composed of
Paul quoting the Tanakh. Surely you would have recognized that if you
hated mistruth as much as you hate Paul.
The rest of the passages were simply adding the context to the passages
that you ripped out of context in order to denigrate Paul. There needed
be no further explanation than to post the context of your verses, and
let the text speak for itself.
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| Title: Re: attention , ping psalmsmith |
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In article <UPOdnd-myYlz3R3YnZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@kans.com>, (1Wit) wrote:
"gatekeeper" <gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
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