Religions > Bible > Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system!
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"Read The Bible" |
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11 Dec 2006 06:31:09 AM |
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Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system! |
martus said on Dec 9:
False Prophet moving to capture the world in the
666 system!
The Bible says that 666 is the number of a man, the
number of his name. See Revelation 13:17-18.
This could mean that 666 is the gematrial number of
his name, that is, the sum of the numerical
equivalents of the letters in his name.
In ancient times, before Arabic numerals and Roman
numerals were used, the letters of the Greek and
Hebrew alphabets had to also serve as numbers. The
first 9 letters stood for the numbers 1 through 9,
the 10th to 18th letters stood for the numbers 10,
20, 30, etc. through to 90, and the 19th and
following letters stood for 100, 200, 300, etc.
All of the books in the Bible were originally
written in either Greek or Hebrew, as these were the
most common languages of the people the books were
originally addressed to. Today, because the most
common alphabet of the people who read the Bible is
the Modern Latin alphabet, it may be that the
gematrial number of the name of the man in
Revelation 13:17-18, who is commonly referred to as
the Antichrist, should be calculated by using a
Latin-alphabet system of gematria parallel to the
system used in ancient Greek and Hebrew.
Such a system would be as follows:
A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10,
K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90,
S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700,
Z=800
Under this system, for example, FOX = 666, the sum
of 6, 60, and 600. Of course, the Antichrist's
actual name could be one of the many other possible
combinations of letters that total up to 666.
But will he choose to make the "FOX" TV Network his
own because the number of its name matches his own
number? Will he eventually make it the only TV
network permitted to air under his world
dictatorship?
And what about some things that have for some reason
had the equivalent of the numbers 6-6-6 attached to
them? For example, the sixth letter of the ancient
Hebrew alphabet, which stood for the number 6, is
transliterated as the letter W. Therefore, WWW is
the equivalent of 6-6-6. In this way, the number of
the Antichrist has already been very cleverly placed
upon almost all URLs on the Internet, even those of
churches.
At the supermarket, we find that many UPC codes have
"control bars" consisting of two thin black lines at
the beginning, middle, and end of each code. These
same two thin black lines are also used to represent
the number 6 within the UPC code itself. In this
way, the number of the Antichrist has already been
very cleverly placed upon almost all items for sale,
even Bibles.
Eventually, the Bible says that the Antichrist will
require that even people have his number placed upon
them, as a mark on their right hand or their
forehead. See Revelation 13:16-18.
This mark could be as disguised a representation of
6-6-6 as WWW or the "control bars" on the UPC codes.
-For example, the actual sixth letter of the Hebrew
alphabet, which represents the number 6, is called
Vav, and looks like our number 7. The Antichrist
could require that 3 Vav's, that is, a very cleverly
disguised equivalent of 6-6-6, be cut with a knife
into the hand or forehead of every person, leaving a
permanent scar. He could claim that he is Christ and
is fulfilling the placing of Christ's mark upon his
followers. See Revelation 22:4.
Because such a mark wouldn't look like 6-6-6, but
would look like 7-7-7, many believers could be
fooled into thinking that they're receiving a holy
number of Christ upon them.
Put three Vav's in a row on a person's hand and it
looks like the letter M, or like a W when the person
looks down at his or her own hand. The Antichrist
could claim that the M stands for "Master", one of
the titles of the true Christ. See John 13:13.
Of course, such a mark would stand for none other
then "Monster", a synonym for the "beast", the name
Revelation calls the Antichrist. See Revelation
13:17-18.
There's another curious place we already find the
equivalent of the number of the Antichrist, and
that's F-F-F, the abbreviation of the name of a
most powerful type of nuclear bomb, called Fission-
-Fusion-Fission.
Will Satan have the Antichrist use F-F-F bombs to
destroy the cities of the world and leave it as a
wilderness? See Isaiah 14:17.
If the coming world reign of the Antichrist were not
cut short, no flesh would survive. See Matthew
24:22. But rest assured that Jesus Christ will
return from heaven to bring an end to the
Antichrist. See Revelation 19:19-20.
Jesus will renew parts of the destroyed earth so
that they will be like the Garden of Eden. See
Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3.
But there will be no hope for those who had
worshipped the Antichrist and received his mark on
their forehead or hand. See Revelation 14:9-11.
May God deliver us from being fooled into receiving
any disguised form of 6-6-6 upon our bodies. May we
be willing to even be beheaded before receiving any
form of the Monster's mark. See Revelation 20:4.
And may God open our eyes to recognize all the ways
the equivalent of 6-6-6 has already been placed upon
so many things in our lives.
(In checking over this post, note that I had to
place a dash before any capital F which happened to
fall as the first letter on a line. This is
necessary because without the dash, or some other
mark removing the F from the first position on the
line, the line would automatically be transformed so
that it began with a ">" when posted, causing
confusion about who originally posted that line.
A capital F is the only letter that will cause the
">" mark to appear, which is curious as that is the
only letter that stands for the number 6 in a Latin
alphabet gematria. Also, the ">" mark is the
equivalent of a a "V" turned onto its left side.
"On the left side" in Latin is "sinister". Finally,
the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which
stands for the number 6, is Vav, which can be
transliterated as V. So the more we look, the more
we find sinister 6's intruding themselves into
things.)
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| User: "rjbjr" |
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| Title: Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system! |
11 Dec 2006 07:15:23 AM |
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Some questions for the group about the antichrist:
1. If you figure out who the antichrist is, should you reveal that?
2. If you know who a potential antichrist, is could you possibly stop
him/her from gaining power?
3. Would you want to try to stop the antichrist from gaining power? After
all, he/she is a signal that Christ would soon return and a better world
would be created.
4. Is it possible that there are more than one antichrists, perhaps one for
each generation? If you were able to prevent the rise to power of the
antichrist in this age, perhaps another would rise at some point in the
future?
Thanks for your thoughts.
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1165840269.798452.102790@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
martus said on Dec 9:
False Prophet moving to capture the world in the
666 system!
The Bible says that 666 is the number of a man, the
number of his name. See Revelation 13:17-18.
This could mean that 666 is the gematrial number of
his name, that is, the sum of the numerical
equivalents of the letters in his name.
In ancient times, before Arabic numerals and Roman
numerals were used, the letters of the Greek and
Hebrew alphabets had to also serve as numbers. The
first 9 letters stood for the numbers 1 through 9,
the 10th to 18th letters stood for the numbers 10,
20, 30, etc. through to 90, and the 19th and
following letters stood for 100, 200, 300, etc.
All of the books in the Bible were originally
written in either Greek or Hebrew, as these were the
most common languages of the people the books were
originally addressed to. Today, because the most
common alphabet of the people who read the Bible is
the Modern Latin alphabet, it may be that the
gematrial number of the name of the man in
Revelation 13:17-18, who is commonly referred to as
the Antichrist, should be calculated by using a
Latin-alphabet system of gematria parallel to the
system used in ancient Greek and Hebrew.
Such a system would be as follows:
A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10,
K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90,
S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700,
Z=800
Under this system, for example, FOX = 666, the sum
of 6, 60, and 600. Of course, the Antichrist's
actual name could be one of the many other possible
combinations of letters that total up to 666.
But will he choose to make the "FOX" TV Network his
own because the number of its name matches his own
number? Will he eventually make it the only TV
network permitted to air under his world
dictatorship?
And what about some things that have for some reason
had the equivalent of the numbers 6-6-6 attached to
them? For example, the sixth letter of the ancient
Hebrew alphabet, which stood for the number 6, is
transliterated as the letter W. Therefore, WWW is
the equivalent of 6-6-6. In this way, the number of
the Antichrist has already been very cleverly placed
upon almost all URLs on the Internet, even those of
churches.
At the supermarket, we find that many UPC codes have
"control bars" consisting of two thin black lines at
the beginning, middle, and end of each code. These
same two thin black lines are also used to represent
the number 6 within the UPC code itself. In this
way, the number of the Antichrist has already been
very cleverly placed upon almost all items for sale,
even Bibles.
Eventually, the Bible says that the Antichrist will
require that even people have his number placed upon
them, as a mark on their right hand or their
forehead. See Revelation 13:16-18.
This mark could be as disguised a representation of
6-6-6 as WWW or the "control bars" on the UPC codes.
-For example, the actual sixth letter of the Hebrew
alphabet, which represents the number 6, is called
Vav, and looks like our number 7. The Antichrist
could require that 3 Vav's, that is, a very cleverly
disguised equivalent of 6-6-6, be cut with a knife
into the hand or forehead of every person, leaving a
permanent scar. He could claim that he is Christ and
is fulfilling the placing of Christ's mark upon his
followers. See Revelation 22:4.
Because such a mark wouldn't look like 6-6-6, but
would look like 7-7-7, many believers could be
fooled into thinking that they're receiving a holy
number of Christ upon them.
Put three Vav's in a row on a person's hand and it
looks like the letter M, or like a W when the person
looks down at his or her own hand. The Antichrist
could claim that the M stands for "Master", one of
the titles of the true Christ. See John 13:13.
Of course, such a mark would stand for none other
then "Monster", a synonym for the "beast", the name
Revelation calls the Antichrist. See Revelation
13:17-18.
There's another curious place we already find the
equivalent of the number of the Antichrist, and
that's F-F-F, the abbreviation of the name of a
most powerful type of nuclear bomb, called Fission-
-Fusion-Fission.
Will Satan have the Antichrist use F-F-F bombs to
destroy the cities of the world and leave it as a
wilderness? See Isaiah 14:17.
If the coming world reign of the Antichrist were not
cut short, no flesh would survive. See Matthew
24:22. But rest assured that Jesus Christ will
return from heaven to bring an end to the
Antichrist. See Revelation 19:19-20.
Jesus will renew parts of the destroyed earth so
that they will be like the Garden of Eden. See
Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3.
But there will be no hope for those who had
worshipped the Antichrist and received his mark on
their forehead or hand. See Revelation 14:9-11.
May God deliver us from being fooled into receiving
any disguised form of 6-6-6 upon our bodies. May we
be willing to even be beheaded before receiving any
form of the Monster's mark. See Revelation 20:4.
And may God open our eyes to recognize all the ways
the equivalent of 6-6-6 has already been placed upon
so many things in our lives.
(In checking over this post, note that I had to
place a dash before any capital F which happened to
fall as the first letter on a line. This is
necessary because without the dash, or some other
mark removing the F from the first position on the
line, the line would automatically be transformed so
that it began with a ">" when posted, causing
confusion about who originally posted that line.
A capital F is the only letter that will cause the
">" mark to appear, which is curious as that is the
only letter that stands for the number 6 in a Latin
alphabet gematria. Also, the ">" mark is the
equivalent of a a "V" turned onto its left side.
"On the left side" in Latin is "sinister". Finally,
the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which
stands for the number 6, is Vav, which can be
transliterated as V. So the more we look, the more
we find sinister 6's intruding themselves into
things.)
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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| Title: Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system! |
12 Dec 2006 07:04:39 AM |
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rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you figure out who the antichrist is, should
you reveal that?
Certainly. If God has chosen to reveal to you who
the Antichrist is, you should not keep it a secret.
"What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in
light; and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye
upon the housetops" (Matthew 10:27).
"The Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?"
(Amos 3:8).
God may require it of you if you don't.
"Unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much
required" (Luke 12:48).
And I doubt you could keep it to yourself anyway.
"His word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut
up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and
I could not stay" (Jeremiah 20:9).
The problem is we can think we've figured out who
the Antichrist is, or think God has revealed him to
us, when really we're just following our own spirit.
"Thus saith the Lord GOD: Woe unto the foolish
prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have
seen nothing!" (Ezekiel 13:3).
So many people have so many different ideas of who
or what the Antichrist is, most of them have to
be completely wrong. But that doesn't keep them all
from telling everyone that they've figured out for
sure who or what he is. That's why everbody just
rolls their eyes over the latest "revelation" about
who or what the Antichrist "really" is.
That's why I never claim that my current view has to
be correct, or has to be from God. Time will tell
whether it was or not (Deuteronomy 18:22). And I
never want to be so frozen into a view that I get
blindsided by the real Antichrist coming from a
direction I'd never considered. At the same time, I
don't feel I should keep my current expectations to
myself, for what if they turn out to be right, what
if they WERE from God, and I didn't let anybody else
know about them, so that THEY were blindsided?
I currently expect the Antichrist will be a very
wealthy Druze businessman from Tyre, Lebanon whose
name, possibly ending with "al-Hakim" will add up to
666. I expect he will become (if he hasn't already
become) a medium-level politician in the Lebanese
parliament, and will be chosen in 2009 (precisely
because he will appear to be so harmless) to be a
pro-tempore caretaker (just until new elections can
be held) of a Baathist union of Iraq, Syria (with
Lebanon as its client state), and Egypt, which will
have been recently put together by force of arms by
an Iraqi Baathist general. Like Hitler, the
Antichrist will cleverly take over complete control
and keep complete control over what has been placed
in his hands, and will launch his world empire
beginning from that base. But he will be much
smarter, much more patient, much more deceptive, and
much more succesful than Hitler; that is, until the
second coming of Jesus Christ completly destroys him.
But if we ran the Tyre phone book through a
gematrial computer program, I wouldn't be surprised
if there were hundreds of people whose names added
up to 666. And are we to count his name using an
Arabic gematria, or can we go with how the New York
Times would transliterate his name into English? And
if there were, say, a billionaire named, for
invention, Wahlide al-Hakim, who was thinking of
running for parliament, or who was already a member,
would I tell everyone he was the Antichrist for
sure? No, I couldn't possibly.
-For the only way we can ever truly know who the
Antichrist is, without any doubt whatsoever, is when
he commits the abomination of desolation, that is,
when he sits in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem
and proclaims that he is God and must be worshipped
on pain of death (2 Thessalonians 2:4,
Revelation 13:5-18).
And even then, most of the world would reject you as
a complete nutcase for saying "Beware! He's the
Antichrist!" as you start quoting 2,000 year old
scribblings from the Bible which they've never
heard of before, or if they've heard of them, never
actually read them, or if they've read them, never
actually understood them, or if they've understood
them, never understood them correctly.
Even many professed Christians won't believe that
he's the Antichrist. Some will say "Oh, no, this is
nothing. The temple of God of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is
the church, not some construct by unbelieving Jews.
The Pope fulfilled 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in the Middle
Ages; the Papacy is the Antichrist, silly."
Others will say, "How can this man be evil when he
has helped the world so much? He has been so
generous to the poor and needy; I really think he is
the second coming of Christ. Why do you hate him so
much? All he has done is rid the world of so much
religious hatred and terrorism, and he has been the
only one able to help the world so much through all
the recent war and natural disasters. How many more
millions would have perished from hunger without his
aid! I for one am going to receive the mark of human
unity and acknowledge him as the divine Christ. And
how do you and your little ones plan to eat without
the mark? I know God wouldn't want me and my
children to starve to death over some obscure Bible
verse like Revelation 14:9-11 that has been
interpreted 1000 different ways over thousands of
years! I tell you, this simply cannot be that. God
would not allow me to face that. He is love. Pure
love."
Others will say, "You know, I've been listening to
that guy they call the Great Teacher lately, and
what he says kind of makes sense. There must have
been a changing of what the Bible said over the
centuries. I think he's right that Antichrist are
those who hate others simply because they have a
different religion. The Old Testament God was a god
of hate, as he is in so much of Revelation. All of
that must be man's invention. The true Christ
doesn't know hate. He only wants to help mankind,
never harm it in the least. This man says he's God
and I feel he has proved it by his amazing love for
all of mankind, and his amazing ability to care for
us all. You will know them by their fruits. We
simply cannot have any more of this division of
mankind by ancient, hateful lies. The survival of
mankind is at stake, friend! We all must take the
mark of world unity. I urge you, do not hinder
mankind from its destiny of perfect love. We simply
cannot afford your brand of religion anymore. You
will have to be culled that others may survive. I'm
so sorry, my friend. Perhaps we will meet in your
next life. I will pray that the guillotine will be
painless for you."
And others will say 1000 other different things,
anything really, to convince themselves that the
man they just saw commit the abomination of
desolation on Fox Worldwide News cannot possibly be
the Antichrist, because dog gone it, they're hungry
and tired and cold, and the baby's wailing its head
off for something to eat.
So even when the Antichrist reveals himself, most
of the world, even most Christians, will simply
blinker their minds and ignore all "that old Bible
stuff. We're talking survival here!"
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| User: "rjbjr" |
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| Title: Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system! |
12 Dec 2006 08:28:37 AM |
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Dear Read The Bible,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response to my questions.
I guess you are saying that there is no way to stop the antichrist whether
revealed or not.
So, why would anyone reveal the name and be labeled a nutcase, or worse?
I'll continue to assume it's just a curiosity from my own spirit.
There is a leader, now rising to power, with a name that will clearly add to
666.
Like you say, there are probably many names that do.
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1165928679.768151.14570@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you figure out who the antichrist is, should
you reveal that?
Certainly. If God has chosen to reveal to you who
the Antichrist is, you should not keep it a secret.
"What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in
light; and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye
upon the housetops" (Matthew 10:27).
"The Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?"
(Amos 3:8).
God may require it of you if you don't.
"Unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much
required" (Luke 12:48).
And I doubt you could keep it to yourself anyway.
"His word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut
up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and
I could not stay" (Jeremiah 20:9).
The problem is we can think we've figured out who
the Antichrist is, or think God has revealed him to
us, when really we're just following our own spirit.
"Thus saith the Lord GOD: Woe unto the foolish
prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have
seen nothing!" (Ezekiel 13:3).
So many people have so many different ideas of who
or what the Antichrist is, most of them have to
be completely wrong. But that doesn't keep them all
from telling everyone that they've figured out for
sure who or what he is. That's why everbody just
rolls their eyes over the latest "revelation" about
who or what the Antichrist "really" is.
That's why I never claim that my current view has to
be correct, or has to be from God. Time will tell
whether it was or not (Deuteronomy 18:22). And I
never want to be so frozen into a view that I get
blindsided by the real Antichrist coming from a
direction I'd never considered. At the same time, I
don't feel I should keep my current expectations to
myself, for what if they turn out to be right, what
if they WERE from God, and I didn't let anybody else
know about them, so that THEY were blindsided?
I currently expect the Antichrist will be a very
wealthy Druze businessman from Tyre, Lebanon whose
name, possibly ending with "al-Hakim" will add up to
666. I expect he will become (if he hasn't already
become) a medium-level politician in the Lebanese
parliament, and will be chosen in 2009 (precisely
because he will appear to be so harmless) to be a
pro-tempore caretaker (just until new elections can
be held) of a Baathist union of Iraq, Syria (with
Lebanon as its client state), and Egypt, which will
have been recently put together by force of arms by
an Iraqi Baathist general. Like Hitler, the
Antichrist will cleverly take over complete control
and keep complete control over what has been placed
in his hands, and will launch his world empire
beginning from that base. But he will be much
smarter, much more patient, much more deceptive, and
much more succesful than Hitler; that is, until the
second coming of Jesus Christ completly destroys him.
But if we ran the Tyre phone book through a
gematrial computer program, I wouldn't be surprised
if there were hundreds of people whose names added
up to 666. And are we to count his name using an
Arabic gematria, or can we go with how the New York
Times would transliterate his name into English? And
if there were, say, a billionaire named, for
invention, Wahlide al-Hakim, who was thinking of
running for parliament, or who was already a member,
would I tell everyone he was the Antichrist for
sure? No, I couldn't possibly.
-For the only way we can ever truly know who the
Antichrist is, without any doubt whatsoever, is when
he commits the abomination of desolation, that is,
when he sits in a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem
and proclaims that he is God and must be worshipped
on pain of death (2 Thessalonians 2:4,
Revelation 13:5-18).
And even then, most of the world would reject you as
a complete nutcase for saying "Beware! He's the
Antichrist!" as you start quoting 2,000 year old
scribblings from the Bible which they've never
heard of before, or if they've heard of them, never
actually read them, or if they've read them, never
actually understood them, or if they've understood
them, never understood them correctly.
Even many professed Christians won't believe that
he's the Antichrist. Some will say "Oh, no, this is
nothing. The temple of God of 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is
the church, not some construct by unbelieving Jews.
The Pope fulfilled 2 Thessalonians 2:4 in the Middle
Ages; the Papacy is the Antichrist, silly."
Others will say, "How can this man be evil when he
has helped the world so much? He has been so
generous to the poor and needy; I really think he is
the second coming of Christ. Why do you hate him so
much? All he has done is rid the world of so much
religious hatred and terrorism, and he has been the
only one able to help the world so much through all
the recent war and natural disasters. How many more
millions would have perished from hunger without his
aid! I for one am going to receive the mark of human
unity and acknowledge him as the divine Christ. And
how do you and your little ones plan to eat without
the mark? I know God wouldn't want me and my
children to starve to death over some obscure Bible
verse like Revelation 14:9-11 that has been
interpreted 1000 different ways over thousands of
years! I tell you, this simply cannot be that. God
would not allow me to face that. He is love. Pure
love."
Others will say, "You know, I've been listening to
that guy they call the Great Teacher lately, and
what he says kind of makes sense. There must have
been a changing of what the Bible said over the
centuries. I think he's right that Antichrist are
those who hate others simply because they have a
different religion. The Old Testament God was a god
of hate, as he is in so much of Revelation. All of
that must be man's invention. The true Christ
doesn't know hate. He only wants to help mankind,
never harm it in the least. This man says he's God
and I feel he has proved it by his amazing love for
all of mankind, and his amazing ability to care for
us all. You will know them by their fruits. We
simply cannot have any more of this division of
mankind by ancient, hateful lies. The survival of
mankind is at stake, friend! We all must take the
mark of world unity. I urge you, do not hinder
mankind from its destiny of perfect love. We simply
cannot afford your brand of religion anymore. You
will have to be culled that others may survive. I'm
so sorry, my friend. Perhaps we will meet in your
next life. I will pray that the guillotine will be
painless for you."
And others will say 1000 other different things,
anything really, to convince themselves that the
man they just saw commit the abomination of
desolation on Fox Worldwide News cannot possibly be
the Antichrist, because dog gone it, they're hungry
and tired and cold, and the baby's wailing its head
off for something to eat.
So even when the Antichrist reveals himself, most
of the world, even most Christians, will simply
blinker their minds and ignore all "that old Bible
stuff. We're talking survival here!"
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system! |
12 Dec 2006 09:12:12 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:28:37 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> shouted thusly:
Dear Read The Bible,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response to my questions.
I guess you are saying that there is no way to stop the antichrist whether
revealed or not.
So, why would anyone reveal the name and be labeled a nutcase, or worse?
I'll continue to assume it's just a curiosity from my own spirit.
There is a leader, now rising to power, with a name that will clearly add to
666.
Like you say, there are probably many names that do.
And so the end timers have claimed, generation after
generation, since about the time of Darby, which is
when this Futurism gained a real foothold in the church.
Shall we go over a list of the names of people who have
been accused of being this "AntiChrist"?
The truth is, Daniel never discusses "The AntiChrist"
and in fact, that word is not found in Daniel at all.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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13 Dec 2006 01:14:27 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:28:37 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> shouted thusly:
Dear Read The Bible,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response to my questions.
I guess you are saying that there is no way to stop the antichrist whether
revealed or not.
So, why would anyone reveal the name and be labeled a nutcase, or worse?
I'll continue to assume it's just a curiosity from my own spirit.
There is a leader, now rising to power, with a name that will clearly add to
666.
Like you say, there are probably many names that do.
And so the end timers have claimed, generation after
generation, since about the time of Darby, which is
when this Futurism gained a real foothold in the church.
Shall we go over a list of the names of people who have
been accused of being this "AntiChrist"?
The truth is, Daniel never discusses "The AntiChrist"
and in fact, that word is not found in Daniel at all.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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It is sad to see RTB dancing with these demons! I have generally
appreciated his reminding us of Scriptures, but this departure, makes
me wonder where he is trully coming from! Life is like a card game, I
guess it only goes to show that anyone can quote scripture, but it is
how you play your hand that really matters!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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13 Dec 2006 06:58:42 AM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 23:14:27 -0800, "gatekeeper"
<gatekeeper.eastgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
Azaliah wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:28:37 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> shouted thusly:
Dear Read The Bible,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful response to my questions.
I guess you are saying that there is no way to stop the antichrist whether
revealed or not.
So, why would anyone reveal the name and be labeled a nutcase, or worse?
I'll continue to assume it's just a curiosity from my own spirit.
There is a leader, now rising to power, with a name that will clearly add to
666.
Like you say, there are probably many names that do.
And so the end timers have claimed, generation after
generation, since about the time of Darby, which is
when this Futurism gained a real foothold in the church.
Shall we go over a list of the names of people who have
been accused of being this "AntiChrist"?
The truth is, Daniel never discusses "The AntiChrist"
and in fact, that word is not found in Daniel at all.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
.
It is sad to see RTB dancing with these demons! I have generally
appreciated his reminding us of Scriptures, but this departure, makes
me wonder where he is trully coming from! Life is like a card game, I
guess it only goes to show that anyone can quote scripture, but it is
how you play your hand that really matters!
Try looking from the bright side. I always thought RTB was just a bot.
Now, the bot is beginning to talk, and he is even bright enough
looking for the antichrist. Can you believe it? That is from animation
to live picture. Let's hope one day he will start looking for Christ
instead.
:-)
The Eastgate is open, the King is in Residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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14 Dec 2006 05:22:21 AM |
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Eric Brze said on Dec 13, 4:58 am:
...looking for the antichrist . . .
Let's hope one day he will start looking for
Christ instead.
Looking for the Antichrist (Rev. 13:18) and looking
for Christ (Philip. 3:20) aren't mutually exclusive.
The Antichrist has to be revealed before Christ can
come back to gather together the church and destroy
the Antichrist (2 Thess. 2:1-8).
This is why the return of Christ to gather together
the church will be "after the tribulation" (Matt.
24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27), and why some in the church
will suffer and die under the Antichrist (Rev.
13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4).
*******
(Subsequent poster)
rjbjr said on Dec 13, 5:59 am:
The number of the Beast does not have to come from
the gematria of the native language.
True.
rjbjr said: IMO, that would not be the real one.
Why not, in your view? In my view, God might want to
make it as easy as possible for most Bible readers
to identify the Antichrist, and most Bible readers
use the Modern Latin alphabet. If we had to use a
gematria for the Arabic alphabet, for example, what
percentage of Bible readers would be able to?
But, still, God could require more effort from us
than what we would find the easiest (Prov. 25:2).
We could learn the Arabic alphabet by looking in
some dictionaries under "alphabet", where they have
an Alphabet Table of various alphabets. Then we
could determine the Arabic gematrial system which
would parallel the system used in ancient Greek and
Hebrew, giving us the gematrial value for each
Arabic letter:
alif=1, ba=2, ta=3, tha=4, jim=5, ha=6, kha=7,
dal=8, dhal=9, ra=10, zay=20, sin=30, shin=40,
sad=50, dad=60, ta=70, za=80, ayn=90, ghayn=100,
fa=200, qaf=300, kaf=400, lam=500, mim=600, nun=700,
ha=800, waw=900, ya=1000.
Once we knew this, and we heard about some Arabic
person who we think might become the Antichrist,
we could find some Arabic news source that showed
his name in Arabic, maybe in a caption under his
photo. Then, because Arabic letters, like Modern
Latin letters, probably have many different type
styles, we'd have to try to match the letters of his
name shown in the caption to the letters as they
appear in our dictionary. If we could do that, we
could figure out what his name adds up to in an
Arabic gematria and see if it's 666.
If it does add up to 666, of course, that's not
proof that he's the Antichrist, but it would mean
that he's worth watching closely. If it doesn't add
up to 666, whether in an Arabic or Modern Latin
gematria, maybe we should think of looking at
somebody else.
rjbjr said: I don't believe either, [that] it is
necessary to do any difficult math algorithm to
be able to identify the Beast.
All we may have to do is add up ("count the number",
Rev. 13:18) of the numerical values of the letters
in his name. Addition is the easiest mathematical
function of all, especially in an age of
calculators, spreadsheets, and computer programs
that can do the adding-up for us instantaneously.
rjbjr said on Dec 13, 5:59 am:
I put myself in John's position who "sees" the
name of the Beast.
Will you share with us what you "see"? If you're
afraid of being sued for libel, could you give us
some hints so that we can figure out what name
you're seeing without actually mentioning it?
rjbjr said: Perhaps John mentions that the name
represents a number because he knew it could be
recognized by anyone in any age speaking any
language.
The idea of the number 666 can indeed be recognized
by anyone in any age speaking any language. But we
are still told to "count" (Rev. 13:18), which in the
Greek is psephizo, which literally means to use
pebbles in enumeration. We have to add some things
together in order to arrive at the number 666 for
his name, and that could be adding up the numerical
values for the letters in his name.
rjbjr said: The question is, why would John want
people to be able to figure this out if there is
nothing they can do about it?
So at least they can know who the Antichrist is and
not be deceived by him. And so they can warn others
against being deceived by him. Nobody is going to
convince the whole world, or even a decent portion
of the world, that a certain person is the
Antichrist, but they may be able to convince some
faithful Christians, who will be grateful for being
given a heads-up concerning who to be especially
wary of.
I said "faithful Christians" in the sense of
obedient ones, for there is a deceivableness to
unrighteousness (2 Thess. 2:10, Prov. 17:4), that
is, if we as Christians are persisting in sin
without any repentance from it, we will be deceived
by the Antichrist; indeed, God will see to it that
we are, along with unbelievers (2 Thess. 2:11-12).
This is why Jesus said it's so important to obey
what He said, and not just read it; if we don't
actually obey Him we will fall away (Matt. 7:26-27)
into apostasy (1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Thess. 2:3) and be
eternally damned (Heb. 6:4-8, Rev. 14:9-11).
rjbjr said: [Re: murdering the Antichrist]
Please! Murder isn't an option.
Indeed not, for "all they that take the sword shall
perish with the sword" (Matt. 26:52), and "no
murderer hath eternal life abiding in him"
(1 John 3:15).
But you keep asking about people trying to prevent
the Antichrist from taking power, so I thought this
would include his assassination; if it doesn't, what
are all the things you feel it could include?
*******
(Subsequent poster)
Azaliah said on Dec 13, 9:58 am:
John did not write "for anyone in any age".
He did, insofar as all believers of all ages live
by every word of God (Matt. 4:4); all scripture is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for
correction, for instruction in righteousness
(2 Tim. 3:16).
Azaliah said: Revelation states clearly that he
wrote to seven specific churches
Just as Paul did in his letters, but that doesn't
mean we can't read and learn from Biblical letters
to specific churches, or even to individuals.
Azaliah said: He said; "THE TIME is at hand"
"At hand" in Revelation 1:3 must mean at hand to
God, who sees a thousand years as one day (2 Pet.
3:8), for Revelation 6-22 hasn't been fulfilled yet.
Azaliah said: If it was meaningless to those who
first read it...
It wasn't meaningless to them, for the letters
(Rev. 2-3) were addressed to their current
situations, and the parts about "things which must
be hereafter" (Rev. 4:1) would have been no more
meaningless to them than the accounts of ancient
events in the Bible are meaningless to us.
Azaliah said: nowhere in the text is any concept
of a long delay given
It is elsewhere, where we're told regarding the
delay in the 2nd coming not to count God slack as
men count slackness (2 Pet. 3:9), but to have "long
patience" for it (Jas. 5:7).
Azaliah said: the first and most important rule,
when reading any text is "audience relevance".
The Bible's relevant audience is all believers of
all ages, who are all seen by God as "one"
(John 17:20-21).
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rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you know who a potential antichrist is, could
you possibly stop him/her from gaining power?
The keyword there is "potential". If Hitler himself
started out as a failed artist living in a homeless
shelter, then there is no limit to how harmless the
Antichrist could appear today; there is no limit of
"potential" Antichrists. To stop them all from
gaining power you'd have to wipe out a good portion
of humanity.
Even if you limited your scope to only those people
in the world whose names added up to 666 in a
gematria using the Modern Latin alphabet, and wiped
all of them out, you still might miss the real
Antichrist, for maybe his name adds up to 666 only
in the gematria of his native alphabet.
And how could you stop him from gaining power? By
telling everyone he's the Antichrist? How many will
believe you? How will you defend yourself against
a civil suit brought against you for malicious
libel? Should you just stay quiet and go ahead and
assassinate someone you feel "sure" is the "one,
real" Antichrist? What if you did, only to find out
you were wrong, that the person you murdered in
cold blood wasn't even the true Antichrist?
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
Would you want to try to stop the antichrist from
gaining power?...
Whether anyone wants to or not won't matter. No one
can kill the Antichrist but Jesus Christ Himself at
His second coming (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation
19:19-21). All of the events of the reign of the
Antichrist (e.g. Revelation 13) are not things that
may or may not happen; they all "must" happen. See
Revelation 1:1; there the Greek word for "must"
literally means "necessary" and "binding". There is
simply no way to prevent a single one of them; there
is simply no way to prevent the Antichrist from
taking power.
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
...After all, he/she is a signal that Christ would
soon return and a better world would be created.
That's true. I expect Jesus to return on the 1,335th
day after the Antichrist commits the abomination of
desolation. See Daniel 12:11-12; there the 1290th
day could be the day that Jesus gives the blessing
of Revelation 16:15; at that point He could be
telling us in effect to hold on just a little
longer, possibly just 45 more days, until He comes.
Once the Antichrist commits the abomination of
desolation, Satan could give him legal rule over the
whole earth (cf. Luke 4:6) for about 42 months
(Revelation 13:5), or exactly 1260 days (Revelation
12:6,14). When the 1260 days are over, the 7th
trumpet could sound declaring that God is taking
back legal ownership of the earth (Revelation
11:15). God's vials of wrath (Revelation 16) against
the Antichrist and his kingdom could then begin to
be poured out (Revelation 16), the first 5 vials
lasting from the 1,261st day to the 1,290th day.
At that point the blessing of Daniel 12:12,
Revelation 16:15 could be given to those Christians
who are still surviving on the earth, encouraging
them to hold on until the 1,335th day and Jesus'
return. The 45 days from the 1,290th day to the
1,335th day could be filled by the gathering of all
of the armies of the world to Armageddon to try to
fight Jesus at His return (Revelation 16:14,16;
19:19).
So, while the reign of the Antichrist will be the
worst time ever for Christians, it will also be the
time of greatest hope of impending and total victory
at the second coming, after which Jesus will rule
the earth with all faithful believers for 1000 years
(Revelation 20:4-6, cf. 5:10, 2:26-29).
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
Is it possible that there are more than one
antichrists, perhaps one for each generation?
There are definitely many antichrists, and they have
been around since the 1st century (1 John 2:18), for
anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, or
denies that Christ came in the flesh, is an
antichrist (1 John 2:22, 4:3; 2 John 1:7).
But what we are looking for is the single Antichrist
that "shall come" (1 John 2:18) and fulfill, for
example, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Revelation 13, and
Daniel 11:21-45, 7:24-26, 8:23-25. No matter whether
you call the man who will fulfill all of these
passages by the exact term "Antichrist" or not
doesn't matter in the least; none of these passages
have ever been fulfilled. And they must be fulfilled.
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you were able to prevent the rise to power of
the antichrist in this age, perhaps another would
rise at some point in the future?
There has been someone preventing the rise of the
Antichrist since the 1st century. Paul said that the
Antichrist couldn't come to power until that someone
was "taken out of the way" (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8).
This someone could be a powerful angel like the one
Jesus will send to bind Satan himself at the second
coming (Revelation 20:1-3).
What the angel could be binding in the case of the
Antichrist is Satan's ability to give all of his
power to a single mortal man who worships Satan
(cf. Luke 4:7). Once the angel is taken from his
post, Satan will be free to give the man he's chosen
to be the Antichrist his throne over the earth
(Revelation 13:2b), giving him the power to conquer
and rule all nations (Revelation 13:4,7).
Nobody will be able to do anything about it, not
even Christians, for God will allow the Antichrist
to have power even over all the Christians he can
find (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13), just as God has
always allowed Satan to imprison, torture, and kill
Christians (e.g. Revelation 2:10).
Some say "No way; the gates of hell shall not
prevail against the church (Matthew 16:18)". But
by their interpretation of that they would have to
deny that many in the church have always been
subject to suffering and death at the hands of the
powers of hell. Matthew 16:18 must mean something
different than what they want it to mean.
Nobody attacks with gates; gates are for defense.
"The gates of hell shall not prevail against the
church" is not describing an attack of hell against
the church, but the attack of the church against the
forces of hell, saving souls from death
(James 5:20), lifting them up from the gates of
death (Psalms 9:13) through the work of Jesus
Christ, who broke the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder (Psalms 107:16), rescuing
people from the pit of hell through His shed blood
of the new covenant (Zechariah 9:11, Matthew 26:28).
When the forces of hell attack the church and kill
Christians, as they've always been allowed to do
since the very first martyr Stephen was stoned to
death (Acts 7:59), they don't truly "prevail"
against the Christians they kill, for death is gain
to a Christian (Philippians 1:21). It simply ushers
his or her spirit into the presence of Jesus Himself
in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:23). And
it can in no way rob any Christian of the promise of
receiving an immortal body at the resurrection
(1 Corinthians 15:52-58, Romans 8:23-25).
So Christians are not to fear what is coming, not to
fear what any demons will inspire the followers of
the Antichrist to do to our vile, mortal bodies
(cf. Matthew 10:28, Philippians 3:20-21); Christians
are only to fear what God will do to our bodies and
our souls should we fall away from faith in Him and
His Word by giving heed to demonic doctrines
(1 Timothy 4:1). These would include preterism, for
it overthrows the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18),
and it leaves believers completely unprepared
psychologically for the coming tribulation, when not
understanding Revelation 14:9-11 and taking the mark
will mean eternal death.
We must be willing to be beheaded before taking the
mark of the beast or worshipping his image
(Revelation 20:4). We must not love our lives unto
the death (Revelation 12:11). We must hate our lives
in this world, that we might obtain eternal life
(John 12:25).
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Dear RTB,
Just a couple of comments below:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166008691.981335.276190@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you know who a potential antichrist is, could
you possibly stop him/her from gaining power?
The keyword there is "potential". If Hitler himself
started out as a failed artist living in a homeless
shelter, then there is no limit to how harmless the
Antichrist could appear today; there is no limit of
"potential" Antichrists. To stop them all from
gaining power you'd have to wipe out a good portion
of humanity.
Even if you limited your scope to only those people
in the world whose names added up to 666 in a
gematria using the Modern Latin alphabet, and wiped
all of them out, you still might miss the real
Antichrist, for maybe his name adds up to 666 only
in the gematria of his native alphabet.
The number of the Beast does not have to come from the gematria of the
native language. IMO, that would not be the real one. I don't believe
either, it is necessary to do any difficult math algorithm to be able to
identify the Beast. I put myself in John's position who "sees" the name of
the Beast. Perhaps John mentions that the name represents a number because
he knew it could be recognized by anyone in any age speaking any language.
The question is, why would John want people to be able to figure this out if
there is nothing they can do about it?
And how could you stop him from gaining power? By
telling everyone he's the Antichrist? How many will
believe you? How will you defend yourself against
a civil suit brought against you for malicious
libel? Should you just stay quiet and go ahead and
assassinate someone you feel "sure" is the "one,
real" Antichrist? What if you did, only to find out
you were wrong, that the person you murdered in
cold blood wasn't even the true Antichrist?
Please! Murder isn't an option.
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
Would you want to try to stop the antichrist from
gaining power?...
Whether anyone wants to or not won't matter. No one
can kill the Antichrist but Jesus Christ Himself at
His second coming (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation
19:19-21). All of the events of the reign of the
Antichrist (e.g. Revelation 13) are not things that
may or may not happen; they all "must" happen. See
Revelation 1:1; there the Greek word for "must"
literally means "necessary" and "binding". There is
simply no way to prevent a single one of them; there
is simply no way to prevent the Antichrist from
taking power.
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
...After all, he/she is a signal that Christ would
soon return and a better world would be created.
That's true. I expect Jesus to return on the 1,335th
day after the Antichrist commits the abomination of
desolation. See Daniel 12:11-12; there the 1290th
day could be the day that Jesus gives the blessing
of Revelation 16:15; at that point He could be
telling us in effect to hold on just a little
longer, possibly just 45 more days, until He comes.
Once the Antichrist commits the abomination of
desolation, Satan could give him legal rule over the
whole earth (cf. Luke 4:6) for about 42 months
(Revelation 13:5), or exactly 1260 days (Revelation
12:6,14). When the 1260 days are over, the 7th
trumpet could sound declaring that God is taking
back legal ownership of the earth (Revelation
11:15). God's vials of wrath (Revelation 16) against
the Antichrist and his kingdom could then begin to
be poured out (Revelation 16), the first 5 vials
lasting from the 1,261st day to the 1,290th day.
At that point the blessing of Daniel 12:12,
Revelation 16:15 could be given to those Christians
who are still surviving on the earth, encouraging
them to hold on until the 1,335th day and Jesus'
return. The 45 days from the 1,290th day to the
1,335th day could be filled by the gathering of all
of the armies of the world to Armageddon to try to
fight Jesus at His return (Revelation 16:14,16;
19:19).
So, while the reign of the Antichrist will be the
worst time ever for Christians, it will also be the
time of greatest hope of impending and total victory
at the second coming, after which Jesus will rule
the earth with all faithful believers for 1000 years
(Revelation 20:4-6, cf. 5:10, 2:26-29).
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
Is it possible that there are more than one
antichrists, perhaps one for each generation?
There are definitely many antichrists, and they have
been around since the 1st century (1 John 2:18), for
anyone who denies that Jesus is the Christ, or
denies that Christ came in the flesh, is an
antichrist (1 John 2:22, 4:3; 2 John 1:7).
But what we are looking for is the single Antichrist
that "shall come" (1 John 2:18) and fulfill, for
example, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Revelation 13, and
Daniel 11:21-45, 7:24-26, 8:23-25. No matter whether
you call the man who will fulfill all of these
passages by the exact term "Antichrist" or not
doesn't matter in the least; none of these passages
have ever been fulfilled. And they must be fulfilled.
rjbjr asked on Dec 11, 5:15 am:
If you were able to prevent the rise to power of
the antichrist in this age, perhaps another would
rise at some point in the future?
There has been someone preventing the rise of the
Antichrist since the 1st century. Paul said that the
Antichrist couldn't come to power until that someone
was "taken out of the way" (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8).
This someone could be a powerful angel like the one
Jesus will send to bind Satan himself at the second
coming (Revelation 20:1-3).
What the angel could be binding in the case of the
Antichrist is Satan's ability to give all of his
power to a single mortal man who worships Satan
(cf. Luke 4:7). Once the angel is taken from his
post, Satan will be free to give the man he's chosen
to be the Antichrist his throne over the earth
(Revelation 13:2b), giving him the power to conquer
and rule all nations (Revelation 13:4,7).
Nobody will be able to do anything about it, not
even Christians, for God will allow the Antichrist
to have power even over all the Christians he can
find (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13), just as God has
always allowed Satan to imprison, torture, and kill
Christians (e.g. Revelation 2:10).
Some say "No way; the gates of hell shall not
prevail against the church (Matthew 16:18)". But
by their interpretation of that they would have to
deny that many in the church have always been
subject to suffering and death at the hands of the
powers of hell. Matthew 16:18 must mean something
different than what they want it to mean.
Nobody attacks with gates; gates are for defense.
"The gates of hell shall not prevail against the
church" is not describing an attack of hell against
the church, but the attack of the church against the
forces of hell, saving souls from death
(James 5:20), lifting them up from the gates of
death (Psalms 9:13) through the work of Jesus
Christ, who broke the gates of brass, and cut the
bars of iron in sunder (Psalms 107:16), rescuing
people from the pit of hell through His shed blood
of the new covenant (Zechariah 9:11, Matthew 26:28).
When the forces of hell attack the church and kill
Christians, as they've always been allowed to do
since the very first martyr Stephen was stoned to
death (Acts 7:59), they don't truly "prevail"
against the Christians they kill, for death is gain
to a Christian (Philippians 1:21). It simply ushers
his or her spirit into the presence of Jesus Himself
in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:23). And
it can in no way rob any Christian of the promise of
receiving an immortal body at the resurrection
(1 Corinthians 15:52-58, Romans 8:23-25).
So Christians are not to fear what is coming, not to
fear what any demons will inspire the followers of
the Antichrist to do to our vile, mortal bodies
(cf. Matthew 10:28, Philippians 3:20-21); Christians
are only to fear what God will do to our bodies and
our souls should we fall away from faith in Him and
His Word by giving heed to demonic doctrines
(1 Timothy 4:1). These would include preterism, for
it overthrows the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18),
and it leaves believers completely unprepared
psychologically for the coming tribulation, when not
understanding Revelation 14:9-11 and taking the mark
will mean eternal death.
We must be willing to be beheaded before taking the
mark of the beast or worshipping his image
(Revelation 20:4). We must not love our lives unto
the death (Revelation 12:11). We must hate our lives
in this world, that we might obtain eternal life
(John 12:25).
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| Title: Re: Antichrist shall come [Was: False Prophet moving to capture the world in the 666 system] |
13 Dec 2006 11:58:50 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:59:15 -0500, while bungee jumping,
"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> shouted thusly:
Even if you limited your scope to only those people
in the world whose names added up to 666 in a
gematria using the Modern Latin alphabet, and wiped
all of them out, you still might miss the real
Antichrist, for maybe his name adds up to 666 only
in the gematria of his native alphabet.
The number of the Beast does not have to come from the gematria of the
native language. IMO, that would not be the real one. I don't believe
either, it is necessary to do any difficult math algorithm to be able to
identify the Beast. I put myself in John's position who "sees" the name of
the Beast. Perhaps John mentions that the name represents a number because
he knew it could be recognized by anyone in any age speaking any language.
The question is, why would John want people to be able to figure this out if
there is nothing they can do about it?
John did not write "for anyone in any age". Revelation states
clearly that he wrote to seven specific churches and that the
time was at hand. He said; "THE TIME is at hand" and that
does not mean, "Start the clock from the moment you first
open a Bible in the 21st century". If it was meaningless to
those who first read it, then it would have been ridiculous
to send it to them, especially since nowhere in the text is
any concept of a long delay given and the first and most
important rule, when reading any text is "audience relevance".
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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