"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:

"BigAir" <no_need_to_know@australia.com.au> wrote in message
news:45343B12.57AD871C@australia.com.au...

49. THE RAPTURE

Jesus Christ's Second Coming for the Church

Bible Reading: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; John 14:2,3; 1 Corinthians
15:51-53; Titus
2:13; Rev. 4:1,2.

Aim: To comfort and motivate one another with the truth of Christ's
return
to take
us to heaven.

Wrong!

Right!

1) Where these passages apply, it applies to the remnant, not the
church-at-large.

2) The primary subject of each was the resurrection of the dead, NOT some
mythical gathering in the flesh, and that one should not mourn for the
dead
like one without hope, knowing there is a resurrection to come.
[snip]

You've got it all mixed up again.......

even when the Biblical passages are
clearly explained as I posted here earlier, you still get it mixed up.

I'm sure
you will see it all clearly in time - as long as you don't quit trying to
understand the truth. Seek the truth and you will find it.

You've got it all mixed up again.......even when the Biblical passages are
clearly explained as I posted here earlier, you still get it mixed up.

Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap
tall buildings in a single bound. Look! Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a
plane. It's Christ, Son of God! Yes, it's Christ, Son of God - strange
visitor from heaven who came to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond
those of mortal men. Christ, Son of God - who can change the course of
mighty rivers, bend steel with his bare hands, and who disguised as the
human Jesus of Nazareth, mild-mannered carpenter in Nazareth town, fights a
neverending battle for Trooth, "Just us", and the Trew Kristyun
Fundamentalist way.

H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:

"BigAir" <no_need_to_know@australia.com.au> wrote in message
news:45343B12.57AD871C@australia.com.au...

* irenic * wrote:

Farewell to the Rapture
(N.T. Wright, Bible Review, August 2001)

Little did Paul know how his colorful metaphors for Jesus' second
coming
would be misunderstood two millennia later.

Not so.....here is why:

49. THE RAPTURE

Jesus Christ's Second Coming for the Church

Bible Reading: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; John 14:2,3; 1 Corinthians
15:51-53; Titus
2:13; Rev. 4:1,2.

Aim: To comfort and motivate one another with the truth of Christ's
return
to take
us to heaven.

Wrong!

1) Where these passages apply, it applies to the remnant, not the
church-at-large.

2) The primary subject of each was the resurrection of the dead, NOT some
mythical gathering in the flesh, and that one should not mourn for the
dead
like one without hope, knowing there is a resurrection to come.

Introduction: Jesus Christ's return will be in two stages. One for His
bride the
Church, known as the "catching away" or "rapture."

And thus starts the lecture of the 17th century cultists...


(1 Thess. 4:13-18). The rapture

will be followed by a seven year period known as the Tribulation.

Wrong again.

1) You forgot the Beginning of Sorrows (because the cultists cut off the
hard part of the prophecies).

2) The gathering of the elect comes at the midpoint, between Satan's
assault
and God's rebuke.

This will begin
with the Antichrist from Europe making a treaty with Israel and
breaking
it after
three-and-a-half years.

Wrong again.

It will begin with the 62 years (the Lord's right to tarry not
withstanding)
of accusation, persecution, and discrimination of the believers until all
that is left is a remnant.

Then a 1 year transition as the unholy trinity rises.

THEN the 3 1/2 years of satanic rule, followed by God's rebuke.

The resurrection and the gathering of the remnant occurs in the middle of
that.

The last three-and-a half years of the Antichrist's reign
will be the Great Tribulation spoken of by Christ in Matthew 24:21.

Actually, the way Christ phrases it, the unholy trinities tribulation of
the
saints will be "great," but His Rebuke will be like nothing man has ever
seen.

This will be
followed by the second stage of Christ returning to earth with
believers
to rule the
world in righteousness. Zech 14:1-5; Jude 14
Definition: The term "rapture" comes from the Latin word for "caught
up"
in I
Thessalonians 4:17.

The term "rapture" comes from the cult of the Plymouth Brethren, who
concocted the notion to shirk their God-given responsibilities.

They also came up with...

1) The nonsensical "missing-week" theory to cut the hard parts off the
front
of the prophecies.

2) "Dispensationalism" to try to separate the destinies of Christianity
and
Israel (when God clearly demonstrates He intends to combine them).

3) A false, front-loaded "Simon says" false Gospel in direct opposition
to
Jesus' back-loaded "whoever endures to the END shall be saved" Gospel.

Before the seven year tribulation, Christ will descend from
heaven, and catch up the Church to heaven to be with Himself.

There isn't a single statement in the entire Bible that says this.

In fact, such a statement is in direct opposition to Jesus' message,
which
is "be thou faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life," et
al.

The Tribulation will
then be unleashed on an unbelieving world.

No.

The tribulation will be unleashed on the BELIEVERS.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not
the
gospel of God?

The Scriptures teaching the "catching away" are as follows:

a) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the
voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall
rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the
clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the
Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words." I Thessalonians
4:16-18.

"The dead in Christ" = the believers.

"Those who are alive and remain" = the remnant, i.e. those 144,000
Israelite-Christians you people continue to ignore.

b) Jesus said: "I go to prepare a place for you (v.2). And if I go and
prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself: that
where
I am,
there ye may be also." John 14: 2,3.

Says nothing about a rapture. Applies to both the resurrected dead and
the
gathered remnant.

c) "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment,
in
the
twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and
the dead
shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this
corruptible must
put on incorruption, and.must put on immortality." I Cor. 15:51-53

The dead in Christ will "sleep."

The remnant, which is both Christian and Israelite, will be changed.

Nothing here about a "rapture" of the church-at-large.

d) "Looking for that blessed hope (rapture), and the glorious appearing
of
the great
God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13.

Says nothing about a rapture. Doesn't even bring up the subject.

e) John experienced the rapture: "After this I looked, and, behold, a
door
was
opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a
trumpet
talking with me: which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee
things
which must
be hereafter.And immediately...in heaven." Revelation 4:1,2.

Nonsense.

John saw a vision, and in that vision John was taken on a backstage tour.

Nothing here about a rapture.

[snip the rest of the nonsense]

Conclusion: Are you ready to face Christ? Are you saved? Are you
winning
souls daily
or weekly?
Is there any known sin in your life that you need to confess and
forsake?
Do so
today.

This is not Jesus' message.

This is Satan's message.

Jesus' message is build your faith to be prepared to endure to the bitter
end.

Satan's message is "Scotty, beam me up."

Ike

www.eickleberrybooks.com

**********************************************************************************************************

Well, I for one believe there's going to be a rapture and also the
period that's coming after that which is the 3 1/2 years.

H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:

"BigAir" <no_need_to_know@australia.com.au> wrote in message
news:45343B12.57AD871C@australia.com.au...

* irenic * wrote:

Farewell to the Rapture
(N.T. Wright, Bible Review, August 2001)

Little did Paul know how his colorful metaphors for Jesus' second
coming
would be misunderstood two millennia later.

Not so.....here is why:

49. THE RAPTURE

Jesus Christ's Second Coming for the Church

Bible Reading: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; John 14:2,3; 1 Corinthians
15:51-53; Titus
2:13; Rev. 4:1,2.

Aim: To comfort and motivate one another with the truth of Christ's
return
to take
us to heaven.

Wrong!

1) Where these passages apply, it applies to the remnant, not the
church-at-large.

2) The primary subject of each was the resurrection of the dead, NOT some
mythical gathering in the flesh, and that one should not mourn for the
dead
like one without hope, knowing there is a resurrection to come.

Introduction: Jesus Christ's return will be in two stages. One for His
bride the
Church, known as the "catching away" or "rapture."

And thus starts the lecture of the 17th century cultists...


(1 Thess. 4:13-18). The rapture

will be followed by a seven year period known as the Tribulation.

Wrong again.

1) You forgot the Beginning of Sorrows (because the cultists cut off the
hard part of the prophecies).

2) The gathering of the elect comes at the midpoint, between Satan's
assault
and God's rebuke.

This will begin
with the Antichrist from Europe making a treaty with Israel and
breaking
it after
three-and-a-half years.

Wrong again.

It will begin with the 62 years (the Lord's right to tarry not
withstanding)
of accusation, persecution, and discrimination of the believers until all
that is left is a remnant.

Then a 1 year transition as the unholy trinity rises.

THEN the 3 1/2 years of satanic rule, followed by God's rebuke.

The resurrection and the gathering of the remnant occurs in the middle of
that.

The last three-and-a half years of the Antichrist's reign
will be the Great Tribulation spoken of by Christ in Matthew 24:21.

Actually, the way Christ phrases it, the unholy trinities tribulation of
the
saints will be "great," but His Rebuke will be like nothing man has ever
seen.

This will be
followed by the second stage of Christ returning to earth with
believers
to rule the
world in righteousness. Zech 14:1-5; Jude 14
Definition: The term "rapture" comes from the Latin word for "caught
up"
in I
Thessalonians 4:17.

The term "rapture" comes from the cult of the Plymouth Brethren, who
concocted the notion to shirk their God-given responsibilities.

They also came up with...

1) The nonsensical "missing-week" theory to cut the hard parts off the
front
of the prophecies.

2) "Dispensationalism" to try to separate the destinies of Christianity
and
Israel (when God clearly demonstrates He intends to combine them).

3) A false, front-loaded "Simon says" false Gospel in direct opposition
to
Jesus' back-loaded "whoever endures to the END shall be saved" Gospel.

Before the seven year tribulation, Christ will descend from
heaven, and catch up the Church to heaven to be with Himself.

There isn't a single statement in the entire Bible that says this.

In fact, such a statement is in direct opposition to Jesus' message,
which
is "be thou faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life," et
al.

The Tribulation will
then be unleashed on an unbelieving world.

No.

The tribulation will be unleashed on the BELIEVERS.

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of
God:
and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not
the
gospel of God?

The Scriptures teaching the "catching away" are as follows:

a) "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with
the
voice of
the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall
rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them
in the
clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the
Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words." I Thessalonians
4:16-18.

"The dead in Christ" = the believers.

"Those who are alive and remain" = the remnant, i.e. those 144,000
Israelite-Christians you people continue to ignore.

b) Jesus said: "I go to prepare a place for you (v.2). And if I go and
prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself: that
where
I am,
there ye may be also." John 14: 2,3.

Says nothing about a rapture. Applies to both the resurrected dead and
the
gathered remnant.

c) "We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment,
in
the
twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and
the dead
shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this
corruptible must
put on incorruption, and.must put on immortality." I Cor. 15:51-53

The dead in Christ will "sleep."

The remnant, which is both Christian and Israelite, will be changed.

Nothing here about a "rapture" of the church-at-large.

d) "Looking for that blessed hope (rapture), and the glorious appearing
of
the great
God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13.

Says nothing about a rapture. Doesn't even bring up the subject.

e) John experienced the rapture: "After this I looked, and, behold, a
door
was
opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a
trumpet
talking with me: which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee
things
which must
be hereafter.And immediately...in heaven." Revelation 4:1,2.

Nonsense.

John saw a vision, and in that vision John was taken on a backstage tour.

Nothing here about a rapture.

[snip the rest of the nonsense]

Conclusion: Are you ready to face Christ? Are you saved? Are you
winning
souls daily
or weekly?
Is there any known sin in your life that you need to confess and
forsake?
Do so
today.

This is not Jesus' message.

This is Satan's message.

Jesus' message is build your faith to be prepared to endure to the bitter
end.

Satan's message is "Scotty, beam me up."

Ike

www.eickleberrybooks.com

**********************************************************************************************************

Well, I for one believe there's going to be a rapture and also the
period that's coming after that which is the 3 1/2 years.


Striving to perfection and holiness in Jesus Christ,
Chellie