Religions > Bible > Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT!
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"Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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14 Sep 2006 03:11:10 PM |
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Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT! |
"Lawson English" <LawsonE@nowhere.none> wrote in message
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Bryan Olson wrote:
Lawson English wrote:
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Yogic flying comes in 3 (4 stages): [body warms up and shakes/twitches]
hopping like a frog, sitting in the air [floating], passage through the
skies (flying at will].
Ah, right. And the stats on that haven't changed:
Fall on butt: 100%
sit in air: 0%
pass through skies: 0%
Absolutely. However, since the point of practicing the technique is to
evoke an altered state of consciousness while remaining active, this
really doesn't matter. You can't get much more physically active than
hopping up and down in lotus position so if the altered state results
during the practice, the technique is successful.
Thus the goal is to lose one's mind !
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| User: "dick blister" |
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| Title: Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT! |
14 Sep 2006 04:10:36 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Lawson English" <LawsonE@nowhere.none> wrote in message
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Bryan Olson wrote:
Lawson English wrote:
[...]
Yogic flying comes in 3 (4 stages): [body warms up and shakes/twitches]
hopping like a frog, sitting in the air [floating], passage through the
skies (flying at will].
Ah, right. And the stats on that haven't changed:
Fall on butt: 100%
sit in air: 0%
pass through skies: 0%
Absolutely. However, since the point of practicing the technique is to
evoke an altered state of consciousness while remaining active, this
really doesn't matter. You can't get much more physically active than
hopping up and down in lotus position so if the altered state results
during the practice, the technique is successful.
Thus the goal is to lose one's mind !
right.......which is not the intellect, intelligence or consciousness.
try it you might find it enlightening
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT! |
06 Oct 2006 02:19:03 PM |
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I will keep my mind, thank you.
"***** blister" <dickblisters@telanut.net.ca> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Lawson English" <LawsonE@nowhere.none> wrote in message
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Bryan Olson wrote:
Lawson English wrote:
[...]
Yogic flying comes in 3 (4 stages): [body warms up and
shakes/twitches] hopping like a frog, sitting in the air [floating],
passage through the skies (flying at will].
Ah, right. And the stats on that haven't changed:
Fall on butt: 100%
sit in air: 0%
pass through skies: 0%
Absolutely. However, since the point of practicing the technique is to
evoke an altered state of consciousness while remaining active, this
really doesn't matter. You can't get much more physically active than
hopping up and down in lotus position so if the altered state results
during the practice, the technique is successful.
Thus the goal is to lose one's mind !
right.......which is not the intellect, intelligence or consciousness.
try it you might find it enlightening
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| User: "Lawson English" |
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| Title: Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT! |
14 Sep 2006 07:26:51 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"Lawson English" <LawsonE@nowhere.none> wrote in message
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Absolutely. However, since the point of practicing the technique is to
evoke an altered state of consciousness while remaining active, this
really doesn't matter. You can't get much more physically active than
hopping up and down in lotus position so if the altered state results
during the practice, the technique is successful.
Thus the goal is to lose one's mind !
Heh. Nice pun. Actually, "lose one's mind" means to go insane. The
deepest state of meditation, at least during TM, is a state where there
is no mental activity yet the brain is still alert. This wouldn't be a
kind of insanity because insanity has to do with inappropriate mental
and physical behavior --if you have no mental and physical behavior
whatsoever, yet aren't in a coma, you're obviously not insane, merely in
an unusual state of consciousness. Research on this state suggests that
it is responsible for all the unusual health benefits associated with TM
above and beyond what you get with simple relaxation techniques.
To understand what Yogic FLying and the other sidhis are supposed to be
doing, you must understand what this altered state is.
The "deepest" state of meditation is called "samadhi" in Sanksrit.
Physiologically speaking, research shows that the activity of the
thalamus has become less active and doesn't pass sensory info to the
brain and doesn't recycle info FROM the cortex back to the cortex, yet
the brain remains alert as measured by both brain imaging and EEG
studies. This is quite exciting for us true believers because
traditionally, samadhi during meditation is also called "turya" or
"fourth."
The Yoga Sutras refer to the major states of consciousness as waking,
dreaming, sleeping and "turya"--the fourth state. Western scientists are
starting to agree that one important function of the thalamus is to
regulate states of consciousness:
In waking, the thalamus allows sensory input to pass into the relative
sensory-processing areas of the cortex and accepts feedback from those
areas and merges the feedback into the data stream from the senses.
In dreaming, the thalamus doesn't accept much, if any, sensory input,
but still allows activity from the various sensory-processing areas to
cycle back through. This recycled stuff is thought to be the content of
your dreams.
In deep sleep, the thalamus doesn't accept much, if any, sensory input
AND doesn't allow recycling of stuff coming back from the sensory areas
of the brain. As you would expect, the brain is in an unalert state
during this time.
During TM (and one would assume, most obviously during samadhi durimg
TM), brain imaging shows that the thalamus becomes less active just as
you see during deep sleep. HOWEVER, brain-wave patterns during the
deepest part of TM are those of someone in a relaxed, alert state,
rather than in the sleeping state. This explains the "no thought" claims
of TMers, zen masters, etc., and explains all the oddball mystical
statements surrounding it. "Not this, not this" is a famous phrase used
to describe samadhi. Since it's neither fish nor fowl, neither waking,
dreaming or sleeping, and involves no mental activity, there's no
possible way to describe it verbally since all our words are used to
describe sensory/mental activity of some kind and as there is NONE, you
can't describe it or even try since to come up with a word to describe
it would require that you have mental activity in the first place.
The state of enlightenment, according to tradition, is where samadhi
somehow coexists with the other states of consciousness--waking,
dreaming and sleeping. This is supposed to come about by alternating the
deep rest of meditation with various daily activities and research has
been published on the physiological state of people who report
24-hour-per-day experiences of samadhi. Sure enough, they show normal
waking, dreaming and sleeping EEG along with EEG similar to that found
during samadhi.
All the TM-sidhis are supposed to do is create a situation where
samadhi and mental and/or physical activity coincide. The yogic flying
technique involves huge amounts of physical activity, and turns out that
the EEG of beginning yogic flyers who only hop occasionally, rather than
constantly, shows that their last few seconds of EEG before hopping, is
quite similar to the EEG found during the samadhi state during TM
practice. Non-meditators asked to bounce around on their butts don't
show this:
Int J Neurosci. 1990 Sep;54(1-2):1-12. Links
EEG coherence and power during Yogic Flying.
Travis FT, Orme-Johnson DW.
Maharishi International University.
Frontal, central and parietal power and coherence of ten subjects
practicing the TM-Sidhi technique of Yogic Flying (YF) were compared to
that of ten controls who jumped from a seated position to approximate
hopping during YF. All movement artifacts were removed before signal
analyses. The most significant group differences were seen in the
2.12-second period just before lift-off: the YF subjects '30-32 Hz
power, and theta, alpha, and beta (broad band) coherence were
significantly higher than those of the controls'. Within the YF group,
the first period's 30-32 Hz power and broad-band coherence were
significantly higher than those of the two preceding 2.12-s periods, and
of the whole YF period. There were no significant within-group
differences in the control group. A similar EEG pattern has been
reported during the experience of pure consciousness in TM practice,
suggesting that the experience of "pure consciousness" underlies
successful TM-Sidhi performance.
PMID: 2265953 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
According to legend, continued practice of Yogic Flying leads to
floating, but the *purpose* of the practice is to induce the samadhi
state along with the rather strange, extremes of physical activity you
see on the video.
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| User: "Lawson English" |
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| Title: Re: Flying and make $500 per month/ WHAT A BULLYING HERE WE GOT! |
14 Sep 2006 08:26:15 PM |
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Lawson English wrote:
[...]
The "deepest" state of meditation is called "samadhi" in Sanksrit.
Physiologically speaking, research shows that the activity of the
thalamus has become less active and doesn't pass sensory info to the
brain and doesn't recycle info FROM the cortex back to the cortex, yet
the brain remains alert as measured by both brain imaging and EEG
studies.
Strictly speaking, there's been no direct research on this. Fred Travis
has been examining already-existing brain image (MRI/PET) data of TMers
and has found that there is an average reduction in thalamic activity
during TM practice. Also, there is an assumption that this reduced
activity leads to the same kind of situation you find during deep sleep,
where sensory input and the activity of the cortical-thalamic feedback
loops is reduced.
Even if/when Fred gets funding to do his own research on this, there
will likely be no direct brain imaging evidence linking samadhi with
reductions in thalamic activity since brain scans typically take many
minutes to complete, and the longest period of samadhi documented is
about 70 seconds. I suppose they could focus on people who regularly
show multiple episodes of minute-long samadhi and compare their MRI with
those who show fewer/shorter-episodes and see if there is a difference...
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