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"Pastor Frank" |
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16 May 2005 01:03:19 PM |
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Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country, dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they? No, we and our proxies only do that to
them and have been doing so ever since the crusades. Once they invade and
occupy our country and make us refugees by the millions, THEN you have
reasons to complain, till then you are just a hate-monger who will be judged
by the same standards you apply to them. See below Christ telling you. You
better listen to Him.
Pastor Frank
JUDGMENT
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must
needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh!
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Jesus in Lk:6:37: Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not,
and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Jesus in Mt12:36-37: But I say unto you, That every idle word that men
shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by
thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d69k81$gnk$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg...
The Muslims must beware of the negative impact, and the burning of the
sacred
Flag of USA and other countries have never been acceptable. It hurts and
offends the citizens of the country very deeply.
What if Americans retaliate by burning publicly the Korans? There were
restraints, I think, as certain people ask for Mecca to be destroyed, and
the
banning of Islamic religion in their country. Just Like Islamic countries
banned other religions in their country.
China banned Falunggong religion.
What happen is, the radical Muslims push too far, and try their luck, and
moderate Muslims support their actions, and if other race and people were
to
take revenge, all hell break loose.
At the slightest provocations, or non-provocations, the Muslim people
behave
and re-acted like demon-possessed all over the world. This is a fact of
their
violent behaviour, throughout history, not just recent outburst of hatred
and
strife's.
The accusations were made justified when professors unearth the scenario
and
explanations that Muhammed, the founder of Islam was demon possessed by
inference. The symptoms prove so from his actions. What about today's
Muslim
erratic behaviour and terrorisms and hatred -preaching all OVER THE
WORLD, and not just isolated instances?
It is time the Muslims realize how violent their behaviour has been
always, yesterday, and today. It is time they stop being foolish and take
for
granted, to intimidate Governments to their senseless demands. No
government
in this world today is blind.
The senseless behaviour of Islam will led to many secrets plots to take
actions against them, in closed doors, from the powerful countries. When
the
powerful countries kept plotting in secret and closed doors to deal with
this extreme behaviour of Islamic religion, the end of the world is near.
On the other hand, the erratic behaviour and testimony of Islam, is to let
Muslims to see how wrong their religion were, and thus came out from it.
If they forsake Islam, and being threaten with Death, all the more it
prove
the evil and Satanic nature of the religion, and it is a cult in every
sense.
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| User: "Carpe_Diem" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
19 May 2005 03:29:22 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in
news:e525d$4288f88e$d1d89a7d$27980@PRIMUS.CA:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they? No, we and our proxies only do that
to them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Most are ignorant as to what the crusades were about. It should've been
initiated by a secular head. Even so, had the crusades not happened you and
I would most definitely be Muslims and speaking Arabic, my friend.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
19 May 2005 04:17:00 PM |
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"Carpe_Diem" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in
news:e525d$4288f88e$d1d89a7d$27980@PRIMUS.CA:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess us and make us refugees, do they? No, we and our proxies
only do that to them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Most are ignorant as to what the crusades were about. It should've been
initiated by a secular head. Even so, had the crusades not happened you
and
I would most definitely be Muslims and speaking Arabic, my friend.
Not likely. Muslim imperialism is a joke compared to Christian
imperialism. Not only that, but Muslim imperialists, like the Ottoman Empire
did not forcibly convert their colonies as many of the Christian
imperialists did.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
20 May 2005 12:27:42 AM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:17:00 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Carpe_Diem" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns965B237B7796Eroot0x10@207.115.63.158...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in
news:e525d$4288f88e$d1d89a7d$27980@PRIMUS.CA:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess us and make us refugees, do they? No, we and our proxies
only do that to them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Most are ignorant as to what the crusades were about. It should've been
initiated by a secular head. Even so, had the crusades not happened you
and
I would most definitely be Muslims and speaking Arabic, my friend.
Not likely. Muslim imperialism is a joke compared to Christian
imperialism. Not only that, but Muslim imperialists, like the Ottoman Empire
did not forcibly convert their colonies as many of the Christian
imperialists did.
Yes the Muslims simply murder and enslave their victims in accordance
with the Koran (sura 47, Verses 2-6)
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
20 May 2005 08:40:18 AM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:h7tq81h30m3hvtvjc5casr4atia61bn38u@4ax.com...
On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:17:00 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Carpe_Diem" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns965B237B7796Eroot0x10@207.115.63.158...
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in
news:e525d$4288f88e$d1d89a7d$27980@PRIMUS.CA:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess us and make us refugees, do they? No, we and our proxies
only do that to them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Most are ignorant as to what the crusades were about. It should've been
initiated by a secular head. Even so, had the crusades not happened you
and
I would most definitely be Muslims and speaking Arabic, my friend.
Not likely. Muslim imperialism is a joke compared to Christian
imperialism. Not only that, but Muslim imperialists, like the Ottoman
Empire
did not forcibly convert their colonies as many of the Christian
imperialists did.
Yes the Muslims simply murder and enslave their victims in accordance
with the Koran (sura 47, Verses 2-6)
Which, we all glad to say is not as horrific as the Jewish holocausts
perpetrated by and against Jews. See below the first one. And this time
don't deny the truth of your Tanakh. See below
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
and their children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that
breatheth" in the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and
"reap where they have not sown". This resulted in the below horrific
obscenity, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic proportions.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
16 May 2005 10:13:28 PM |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country, dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
No, we and our proxies only do that to
them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Actually, the Christian nations invaded Israel. The population was
primarily Jewish. The land was claimed as a territory by the Muslims,
but they had not actually taken possession of the land. They only
occupied Israel for a total of six years. Now, potions of Israel are
occupied by racist terrorist Muslims. The European nations' disregard
for the Bible's statement that the region is owned by Israel will
bring about disastrous results for those who oppose God by Giving
Israeli land to Muslims.
Once they invade and
occupy our country and make us refugees by the millions, THEN you have
reasons to complain, till then you are just a hate-monger who will be judged
by the same standards you apply to them. See below Christ telling you. You
better listen to Him.
Frank, you have stated over and over that you hate Jews like Jesus.
You will even support people who have stated that they desire the
destruction of all Christianity as long as you get to see them murder
Jews first. Frank, please repent of your racism before it is too
late! You can come to know Messiah if you set aside your hatered for
Him and His people.
Pastor Frank
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d69k81$gnk$1@mawar.singnet.com.sg...
The Muslims must beware of the negative impact, and the burning of the
sacred
Flag of USA and other countries have never been acceptable. It hurts and
offends the citizens of the country very deeply.
What if Americans retaliate by burning publicly the Korans? There were
restraints, I think, as certain people ask for Mecca to be destroyed, and
the
banning of Islamic religion in their country. Just Like Islamic countries
banned other religions in their country.
China banned Falunggong religion.
What happen is, the radical Muslims push too far, and try their luck, and
moderate Muslims support their actions, and if other race and people were
to
take revenge, all hell break loose.
At the slightest provocations, or non-provocations, the Muslim people
behave
and re-acted like demon-possessed all over the world. This is a fact of
their
violent behaviour, throughout history, not just recent outburst of hatred
and
strife's.
The accusations were made justified when professors unearth the scenario
and
explanations that Muhammed, the founder of Islam was demon possessed by
inference. The symptoms prove so from his actions. What about today's
Muslim
erratic behaviour and terrorisms and hatred -preaching all OVER THE
WORLD, and not just isolated instances?
It is time the Muslims realize how violent their behaviour has been
always, yesterday, and today. It is time they stop being foolish and take
for
granted, to intimidate Governments to their senseless demands. No
government
in this world today is blind.
The senseless behaviour of Islam will led to many secrets plots to take
actions against them, in closed doors, from the powerful countries. When
the
powerful countries kept plotting in secret and closed doors to deal with
this extreme behaviour of Islamic religion, the end of the world is near.
On the other hand, the erratic behaviour and testimony of Islam, is to let
Muslims to see how wrong their religion were, and thus came out from it.
If they forsake Islam, and being threaten with Death, all the more it
prove
the evil and Satanic nature of the religion, and it is a cult in every
sense.
.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
17 May 2005 09:08:19 PM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:gqni81hgv3gabk535avr4en87h4id77u5g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
Would you mind quoting the passages you are referring to. Look it up in
http://www.islamworld.net/. They got an excellent search engine. You must
realize that accusing and vilifying a visible minority in this country is
against the law. In fact it's a hate-crime which is supposed to be reported
to the net-abuse authorities. In your case it's:
Furthermore, accusing without presenting evidence makes you one of
Satan's minions who MUST lie. So please quote the Quran, or admit you are
one of Satan's emissaries.
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| User: "Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: FRANKIE'S HATE vs. ISLAM FALSE RELIGION |
18 May 2005 06:08:02 PM |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:08:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:gqni81hgv3gabk535avr4en87h4id77u5g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
Would you mind quoting the passages you are referring to. Look it up in
http://www.islamworld.net/. They got an excellent search engine.
I own a copy, that you.
You must
realize that accusing and vilifying a visible minority in this country is
against the law. In fact it's a hate-crime which is supposed to be reported
to the net-abuse authorities.
Frank, you are the one who has posted anti-Semitic materials for
years. In fact, almost evrything you post, if not everything, is
hateful and dishonest.
As for hate crime, YOU have endorsed Terrorism as loing as the victims
are Jews.
Furthermore, accusing without presenting evidence makes you one of
Satan's minions who MUST lie. So please quote the Quran, or admit you are
one of Satan's emissaries.
Frank, I have posted proof many times and you know it, You are just
lieing and bearing false witness again. You have admitted that you do
not believe in God of the Bible. Frank, you are a Satanist.
Here is an article to help you understand, or at least help you make
yourself look foolish:
The Threat of Moderate Islam
With what has happened in New York and Washington, I have been shocked
that Christians are still unaware of the danger posed by Islam.
Most Christian Americans try to evaluate the Muslim by Christian
standards. Muslim standards are very different from American
standards.
Many people are confused about Islam. This makes sense because
Muslims are making conflicting statements about their religion. Our
own
news media makes references to "Muslim Extremists" without ever
checking to find out what a Moderate Muslim believes. The only way to
know what they really believe is to check the Koran (their "holy"
book).
I researched in the Koran. I found many verses that are very
disturbing. I was so profoundly troubled by the viciousness of the
hatred found in
the Koran, that I feel compelled to explain the danger to others.
Let me share with you some passages from the Koran that explain the
Muslim's motivations behind the bombings, and the attack of September
11TH. There is also part of a Friday sermon from a mainstream Islamic
religious leader, which explains how they interpret the verses cited,
and
will help you to understand how the Koran shapes the thinking of a
Muslim.
Sura 9, Verse 30
"The Jews said, "Ezra is the son of
GOD," while the Christians said,
"Jesus is the son of GOD!" These
are blasphemies uttered by their
mouths. They thus match the
blasphemies of those who have
disbelieved in the past. Allah condemns them.
They have surely deviated."
Sura 9, Verse 36
"The count of months, as far as
Allah is concerned, is twelve. This
has been Allah's law, since the day
He created the heavens and the
earth. Four of them are sacred.
This is the perfect religion; you shall
not wrong your souls (by fighting)
during the Sacred Months. However,
you may declare all-out Jihad against
the idol worshipers (even during the
Sacred Months), when they declare
jihad against you, and know that
Allah is on the side of the righteous."
(A previous verse (9:30) defines Christians and Messianic Jews as Idol
worshipers. It should also be noted that the Koran teaches that all
Jews
and Christians who are aware of Islam are at "Jihad" with "Allah," and
by extension the Muslims, based on the fact that Jews and Christians
exist
and refuse to convert to Islam. Jews, Christians and Muslims are
referred to as "People of Scripture" in the Koran because all three
religions
received Scripture. Jews and Christians are thought of as living
blasphemies for not becoming Muslim.)
The next passage tells that Jews and Christians cannot be friends of
Muslims unless they accept the validity of Islam. To put it more
directly if a
Jew or Christian is religious and believes that Judaism or
Christianity is true and thus better than Islam, he is an enemy of the
Muslims.
Sura 5, verse 51:
"O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies;
these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves
with these belong with them. Allah does not guide the transgressors."
Verse 57 explains the word "certain."
Sura 5, verse 57:
"O you who believe, do not befriend those among the recipients
of previous scripture who mock and ridicule your religion,
nor shall you befriend the disbelievers (in this Holy Quran).
You shall reverence Allah, if you are really believers."
(A Christian or Jew who refuses to convert to Islam is effectively
mocking Islam and claiming that Christianity or Judaism is superior to
Islam.
Note: the parenthetical specification is a Muslim addition, found in
the translation of the Koran that I used, it is not my addition.)
The next passage tells of what a Muslim is allowed to do to anyone
whom they encounter who does not believe in the Koran, and the rewards
for
those who die thus serving "Allah." Verse 4 is particularly sick;
apparently, "Allah" wants people to fight in his name. The Sura
discusses the end
of the world and the war between "Allah" and the "evil" non-Muslims.
Sura 47, verses 2-6
"2. Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was
sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He
remits their sins, and blesses them with contentment.
3. This is because those who disbelieve are following falsehood, while
those who believe are following the truth from their Lord. Allah thus
cites
for the people their examples.
4. If you encounter those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks.
If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them,
until
the war ends. Had Allah willed, He could have granted you victory,
without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who
get
killed in the cause of Allah, He will never put their sacrifice to
waste.
5. He will guide them, and bless them with contentment.
6. He will admit them into Paradise, that He described to them."
How could any Christian think that the Muslims are not dedicated to
the murder of all Christians and Jews? The only answer is:
"ignorance!" If
Christians, and all Americans were aware of the evil of Islam, we
would be a lot safer! We would be able to stop is Racist,
totalitarian enemy
before events like September 11TH occur.
Sura 3, Verse 82:
"Those who reject this (Quranic prophecy) are the evil ones."
NOTE: The parenthetical specification was in the translation of the
Koran that I used, not my own addition.
This verse goes beyond simply claiming that Islam is superior to other
religions. All religious people believe that their
religion/sect/denomination is
in some way better than others, but very few condemn all other faiths
as "evil." Since the Koran gives the Muslim permission to do horrible
things to the "evil people," it is important to see that these "evil
people" are all non-Muslims.
Sura 47, verses 2-6
"2. Those who believe and work righteousness, and believe in what was
sent down to Muhammad - which is the truth from their Lord - He remits
their sins, and blesses them with contentment.
3. This is because those who disbelieve
are following falsehood, while those
who believe are following the truth
from their Lord. Allah thus cites for
the people their examples.
4. If you encounter those who
disbelieve, you may strike the necks.
If you take them as captives you may
set them free or ransom them, until
the Jihad ends. Had Allah willed, He
could have granted you victory, with-
out war. But He thus tests you by
one another. As for those who get
killed in the cause of Allah, He will
never put their sacrifice to waste.
5. He will guide them, and bless them
with contentment.
6. He will admit them into Paradise,
that He described to them."
In the following passage, there is more denouncing belief in the
divine nature of Yshua. As the text continues, the Koran claims that
at the final
judgment Yshua will be the Accuser who condemns all Christians to
damnation for not becoming Muslim.
Sura 4, verses 157-159.
"157. And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus,
son of Mary, the messenger of Allah. In fact,
they never killed him, they never
crucified him-they were made to think that they did.
All factions who are disputing in
this matter are full of doubt
concerning this issue. They possess
no knowledge; they only conjecture.
For certain, they never killed him.
158. Instead, Allah raised him to Him;
Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.
159. Everyone among the people of
the scripture was required to
believe in him before his death.
On the Day of Resurrection, he
will be a witness against them."
Of course there are many verses that make the usual Islamic claim that
all Christians (All who believe in the divinity of the Messiah) are
idol-worshipers.
How do these verses effect the actions of the Muslims?
They have prompted the Arab invasion of Israel. These invaders call
themselves "palestinian" and claim that they were displaced from
Israel in
1948. Historically Israel was 60% Jewish in 1920 under the British
occupancy of Israel, before Jewish immigration back to Israel began.
The following excerpts, broadcasted on PA TV, are from the Friday
sermon [August 3, 2001] given by Sheik Ibrahim Madhi at the Sheik
'Ijlin
Mosque in Gaza:
"Let the Mujaheedin saturate this blessed land with their pure and
untainted blood. Then, the Jews will see miracles from us."
"A young man said to me: 'I am 14 years old, and I have four years
left before I blow myself up amongst the Jews.' I said to him: Oh
son, I ask
Allah to give you and myself Martyrdom...'"
"The Koran is very clear on this: 'The greatest enemies of the Islamic
nation are the Jews, may Allah fight them...'"
"Whoever can fight them with his weapons, should go out [to the
battle]; whoever can fight them with a machine-gun, should go out;
whoever
can fight them with a sword or a knife, should go out; whoever can
fight them with his hands, should go out; This is our destiny."
"We blow them up in Hadera, we blow them up in Tel Aviv and in
Netanya, and in this way, Allah establishes us as rulers over these
gangs of
vagabonds."
"In several years, Allah willing, we will enter Jerusalem as
conquerors, to Jaffa as conquerors. To Haifa as conquerors, to
Ashkelon as
conquerors. We are certain that victory is near..."
"Blessings for whoever assaulted a soldier... Blessings for whoever
has raised his sons on the education of Jihad and Martyrdom;
blessings for
whoever has saved a bullet in order to stick it in a Jew's head..."
This is what passes for an "uplifting" message in the Mosque.
Christians and Jews worship the same God. Some Jews do not
acknowledge the Messiah - some do, but we all understand the morality
taught by
God. The God of the Bible is defined by His personality, His love,
His ethics, and His perfection. The "Allah" of the Koran is shown to
lie to
the Jews, make a mistake about sending Jesus who was incompetent
according to the Koran (They claim that His mission was to convert all
humanity to Islam), and who promotes violence against people who do
not worship him. The Koran says that "Allah" dissolved the covenants
made with the Jews and with the Christians. The "Allah" of Islam is
NOT the God of Judaism and Christianity.
Sura 5, Verses 12-14
"12. Allah had taken a covenant
from the Children of Israel,
and we raised among them twelve
patriarchs. And Allah said,
"I am with you, so long as you
observe the Contact Prayers (Salat),
give the obligatory charity (Zakat),
and believe in My messengers and
respect them, and continue to lend
Allah a loan of righteousness.
I will then remit your sins,
and admit you into gardens with
flowing streams. Anyone who
disbelieves after this, has indeed
strayed off the right path.
[CENTER] Consequences of Violating God's Covenant
13. It was a consequence of their
violating the covenant that we
condemned them, and we caused their hearts
to become hardened. Consequently,
they took the words out of context,
and disregarded some of the commandments
given to them. You will continue to witness
betrayal from them, excepting a few of them.
You shall pardon them, and disregard them.
Allah loves those who are benevolent."
Note that Allah must be bribed with favors in order to keep his word,
But God keeps His word even if all mankind become liars. Also notice
that
only Jews who abandon belief in God and accept Islam may be forgiven
for being born Jewish.
"[CENTER] Christians, too, Must Obey Allah's Messenger [Muhammad]
14. Also from those who said, "We are Christian,"
we took their covenant.
But they disregarded some of
the commandments given to them.
Consequently, we condemned them
to animosity and hatred among themselves,
until the Day of Resurrection.
Allah will then inform them
of everything they had done."
So, according to the Koran both Christianity and Judaism have been
abolished by Allah.
The Koran breaks up humanity in two ways:
Spiritually: "The People of Scripture" (Jews Christians and Muslims),
and the "People without Scripture" (everyone else). Physically: "the
Children of Abraham" (Jews and Arabs), and the "Other Peoples"
(Everyone else).
According to the Koran a person who has a reason for becoming Islamic
and does not convert to Islam is a walking blasphemy and an idolater.
By their breakdown of humanity, Jews have two reasons for converting
to Islam and Christians have one. Thus Jews are their first target,
and
Christians are their second target
Adolf Hitler lost WWII because he made war on too many of his targets
at the same time. The Muslims have been more clever; they are taking
their targets one at a time. We must realize the danger and protect
our selves from further terrorist attacks.
All Christians and Jews must stand together against those who would
take away our freedom to worship the
One True God.
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19 May 2005 06:31:55 AM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:08:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
You must
realize that accusing and vilifying a visible minority in this country is
against the law. In fact it's a hate-crime which is supposed to be
reported
to the net-abuse authorities.
Frank, you are the one who has posted anti-Semitic materials for
years. In fact, almost evrything you post, if not everything, is
hateful and dishonest.
Again your evidence is missing, Aaron. I provide evidence, that you
along with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and many orthodox Jews fully endorse and
justify mass-murder. See below evidence. "Kill all that breatheth"
indeed!!!!!
Pastor Frank
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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20 May 2005 12:15:18 AM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:31:55 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:08:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
You must
realize that accusing and vilifying a visible minority in this country is
against the law. In fact it's a hate-crime which is supposed to be
reported
to the net-abuse authorities.
Frank, you are the one who has posted anti-Semitic materials for
years. In fact, almost evrything you post, if not everything, is
hateful and dishonest.
Again your evidence is missing, Aaron. I provide evidence, that you
along with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and many orthodox Jews fully endorse and
justify mass-murder.
No, Frank you just spew your hatred of Messiah and His People.
See below evidence. "Kill all that breatheth"
indeed!!!!!
Frank, We have been over this same collection of verse that you cut
and Paste for years. You know that your "evidence" only proves that
you are willing to lie because you hate Jesus and anyone releted to
Him by blood.
Pastor Frank
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course we also know that Got destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
chek a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
In Numbers 31:2, God ordered the execution of the Midianites; in
versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being too merciful.
Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews are too merciful
to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern nation of Israel.
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19 May 2005 03:46:27 AM |
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Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
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All Christians and Jews must stand together against those who would
take away our freedom to worship the
One True God.
Very good post. Very concise. As for PF attacking you...he likes to write
down chapter and verse, yet he seems to hold up "the letter of the law
while violating the heart of the law". I suspect PF is possibly a muslim
himself since he comes off as anti-Semetic. Or maybe he's just ill informed
because of his particular sect. I believe the prior to be the more likely
case. Either that or he's just a troll in this NG.
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19 May 2005 04:30:44 PM |
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"Carpe_Diem" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:Xns965B2660891BBroot0x10@207.115.63.158...
Aaron <anon@home.net> wrote in
news:0bin819bo4e6ifmasj000fccib09ht3s71@4ax.com:
All Christians and Jews must stand together against those who would
take away our freedom to worship the
One True God.
Very good post. Very concise. As for PF attacking you...he likes to write
down chapter and verse, yet he seems to hold up "the letter of the law
while violating the heart of the law". I suspect PF is possibly a muslim
himself since he comes off as anti-Semetic. Or maybe he's just ill
informed
because of his particular sect. I believe the prior to be the more likely
case. Either that or he's just a troll in this NG.
I am a Christian and know I will be judged by the same standards I apply
to others. Jews believe they have dispensation from this rule, and see
nothing wrong with killing the entire population, in fact "all that
breatheth" of the countries they occupied.
Aaron is talking Judaism. I am talking Christianity. His rules are
different from mine. But I am proscribed to support the practices of
Judaism, if they contradict those of Christianity. See below what Aaron and
his fellow Judaists find perfectly normal and praiseworthy and would love to
repeat with the present Arab population of Palestine.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
and their children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that
breatheth" in the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and
"reap where they have not sown". This resulted in the below horrific
obscenity, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic proportions.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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| User: "xeno" |
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20 May 2005 06:08:29 AM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005, Pastor Frank wrote:
I am a Christian and know I will be judged by the same standards I apply
to others.
That's not a fact. That's just a part of your circular belief system.
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20 May 2005 06:20:08 AM |
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Like Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King and Wilberforce and Bonhoeffer
and Father Damien
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Shalom! Rowland Croucher
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http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ *
(15000+ articles, 3200 clean jokes/stories)
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| User: "xeno" |
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22 May 2005 01:48:07 AM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005, Rowland Croucher wrote:
Like Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King and Wilberforce and Bonhoeffer
and Father Damien
You're merely canonizing the ineffectual.
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22 May 2005 04:56:56 PM |
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"xeno" <xeno@transbay.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 May 2005, Rowland Croucher wrote:
Like Mother Teresa, and Martin Luther King and Wilberforce and Bonhoeffer
and Father Damien
You're merely canonizing the ineffectual.
And you xeno are always busy demonizing the effectual, aren't you?
Please post your hate to flame NGs. Thanks.
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20 May 2005 08:18:05 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH,
===>So, was or was not Jesus the son of YHWH, the "God of the Jews"???
Can you give an honest answer? -- L.
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20 May 2005 08:06:49 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:gqni81hgv3gabk535avr4en87h4id77u5g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
Would you mind quoting the passages you are referring to. Look it up in
http://www.islamworld.net/. They got an excellent search engine. You must
realize that accusing and vilifying a visible minority in this country is
against the law. In fact it's a hate-crime which is supposed to be reported
to the net-abuse authorities. In your case it's:
Furthermore, accusing without presenting evidence makes you one of
Satan's minions who MUST lie. So please quote the Quran, or admit you are
one of Satan's emissaries.
Posted by the hater of the Old Testament and the
Judeo/Christian God YHWH, i.e. a REAL "atheist"!
For him the only "God" is "LOVE", i.e. the HATE he
harbors against others. He claims HE is a "SON OF GOD".
That "pristine Chrstian", i.e. Jew-hating,
YHWH-hating, OT-hating NEO-MARCIONITE is
posting for the sole purpose of promoting his crazy
interpretation of a few passages from Paul and John.
Always the same stuff, always bitching about people
who disagree with him, who are automatically called
"Satan's minions".
===>ALL religions promote division & hatred of "non-believers"
(also called "Infidels, "Satan's emissaries", "Satan's minions",
"Gentiles", "Popists", "Heretics", etc.)
You are no different, Sheepherder, fake "pastor" Frank! -- L.
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20 May 2005 08:21:59 PM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:gqni81hgv3gabk535avr4en87h4id77u5g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
No, we and our proxies only do that to
them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Actually, the Christian nations invaded Israel. The population was
primarily Jewish. The land was claimed as a territory by the Muslims,
but they had not actually taken possession of the land. They only
occupied Israel for a total of six years. Now, potions of Israel are
occupied by racist terrorist Muslims. The European nations' disregard
for the Bible's statement that the region is owned by Israel will
bring about disastrous results for those who oppose God by Giving
Israeli land to Muslims.
Once they invade and
occupy our country and make us refugees by the millions, THEN you have
reasons to complain, till then you are just a hate-monger who will be
judged
by the same standards you apply to them. See below Christ telling you. You
better listen to Him.
Frank, you have stated over and over that you hate Jews like Jesus.
You will even support people who have stated that they desire the
destruction of all Christianity as long as you get to see them murder
Jews first. Frank, please repent of your racism before it is too
late! You can come to know Messiah if you set aside your hatered for
Him and His people.
You and Frankie, along with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other
mass-murderers fully support the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the
Holocaust of the entire population of the region, in fact the killing "all
that breatheth". You even tell us that the Tanakh is wrong and it never
happened. You sounds to me just like any holocaust denier and have never
brought evidence for your assertions.
I just go by what the OT Bible tells me. See below
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
and their children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that
breatheth" in the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and
"reap where they have not sown". This resulted in the below horrific
obscenity, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
Pastor Frank
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25 May 2005 02:36:18 PM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:21:59 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:gqni81hgv3gabk535avr4en87h4id77u5g@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess
us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
No, we and our proxies only do that to
them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Actually, the Christian nations invaded Israel. The population was
primarily Jewish. The land was claimed as a territory by the Muslims,
but they had not actually taken possession of the land. They only
occupied Israel for a total of six years. Now, potions of Israel are
occupied by racist terrorist Muslims. The European nations' disregard
for the Bible's statement that the region is owned by Israel will
bring about disastrous results for those who oppose God by Giving
Israeli land to Muslims.
Once they invade and
occupy our country and make us refugees by the millions, THEN you have
reasons to complain, till then you are just a hate-monger who will be
judged
by the same standards you apply to them. See below Christ telling you. You
better listen to Him.
Frank, you have stated over and over that you hate Jews like Jesus.
You will even support people who have stated that they desire the
destruction of all Christianity as long as you get to see them murder
Jews first. Frank, please repent of your racism before it is too
late! You can come to know Messiah if you set aside your hatered for
Him and His people.
You and Frankie, along with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other
mass-murderers fully support the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the
Holocaust of the entire population of the region, in fact the killing "all
that breatheth".
You mean the events recorded in the Bible. Obviously any Christian
supports God and HIS choice to remove Pagans from the Land of Israel.
You even tell us that the Tanakh is wrong and it never
happened.
Frank, you know that you are lying.
I fully support the Tanakh. YOU take passages out of context and
blame Jews for thgings that God did.
You sounds to me just like any holocaust denier and have never
brought evidence for your assertions.
Frank, your hatred for Jesus and anyone related to Him by blood is
obvious. You must really HATE Jesus; you speak against all that he
taught. You pastor ( a REAL pastor) actually had to kick you out of
your church because of your hatred Against God's Chosen People.
I just go by what the OT Bible tells me. See below
Yes, let's see below...
(BTW: since I have posted the disproof of your claims many times, you
just look foolish cuting and pasting the same things over and over.)
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave them the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Then we are told, YHWH who is supposed to be "the same yesterday,
today and tomorrow", changed His mind and commanded both coveting and
fratricide.
No, God gave the land to Israel centuries earlier and the people who
were living in Israel were stealing that land from the People of
Israel. Moreover, those thieving pagans committed the worst forms of
idolatry including incenerating their first born children, and cross
breeding their daughters with nifelim (demons).
Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters and their
children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that breatheth" in
the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and "reap where
they have not sown", resulting in the below obscenity, a holocaust of
gigantic proportions.
The Hamites who occupied the Land of Israel were not Semitic.
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Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course we also know that Got destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
chek a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
In Numbers 31:2, God ordered the execution of the Midianites; in
versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being too merciful.
Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews are too merciful
to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern nation of Israel.
Pastor Frank
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:21:59 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
You sounds to me just like any holocaust denier and have never
brought evidence for your assertions to the contrary.
Frank, your hatred for Jesus and anyone related to Him by blood is
obvious. You must really HATE Jesus; you speak against all that he
taught. You pastor (a REAL pastor) actually had to kick you out of
your church because of your hatred Against God's Chosen People.
Jesus doesn't excuse and/or deny holocausts, but you do. Jesus forbids
ALL of man's inhumanity to man, you on the other hand justify genocide and
mass-murder.
You relize, don't you, that you will be judged and treated the same way
you judge and treat others, especially "the least of them", for the Lord
says: "As much you have done it to the least of them, you have done it unto
me".
See below what you find perfectly normal and praiseworthy. Repent before
it's too late!!!!!
Pastor Frank
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
and their children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that
breatheth" in the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and
"reap where they have not sown". This resulted in the below horrific
obscenity, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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26 May 2005 09:08:23 AM |
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On Thu, 26 May 2005 07:52:49 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
news:ock99158nnq2jqvsnr1343oleoeb9bb6us@4ax.com...
On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:21:59 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
You sounds to me just like any holocaust denier and have never
brought evidence for your assertions to the contrary.
Frank, your hatred for Jesus and anyone related to Him by blood is
obvious. You must really HATE Jesus; you speak against all that he
taught. You pastor (a REAL pastor) actually had to kick you out of
your church because of your hatred Against God's Chosen People.
Jesus doesn't excuse and/or deny holocausts, but you do. Jesus forbids
ALL of man's inhumanity to man, you on the other hand justify genocide and
mass-murder.
Frank, Jesus is the same YHVH who commanded the execution of the
pagans in Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Deuteronomy 7:1, and Numbers 31:2.
[See below for further details.]
I have not "justified" God's actions HE does not need His actions
justified. I have tried to explain to you that you cannot condamn God
for any action that He carries out or commands because it is God who
defines righteousness. Obeying God is righteous; disobeying God is
evil.
On the other hand YOU, frank, keep trying to justify the Muslims
murdering Jewish woman and children in their genicidal invasion of
Israel.
You relize, don't you, that you will be judged and treated the same way
you judge and treat others, especially "the least of them", for the Lord
says: "As much you have done it to the least of them, you have done it unto
me".
Since it is my judgement that God is just and good, I have nothing to
fear. Frank, YOU should fear since you have been calling God "evil"
for years.
See below what you find perfectly normal and praiseworthy. Repent before
it's too late!!!!!
Frank, please repent of your sins. Maybe if you stop your racism and
your lust for the genocide of Jesus' physical reletives you might be
allowed to attend church services again.
Pastor Frank
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH who is supposed to
be "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow", changed His mind and
commanded both coveting and fratricide.
No, God gave the land to Israel centuries earlier and the people who
were living in Israel were stealing that land from the People of
Israel. Moreover, those thieving pagans committed the worst forms of
idolatry including incenerating their first born children, and cross
breeding their daughters with nifelim (demons).
Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters and their
children and life-stock, in fact they were to "kill all that breatheth" in
the entire country, in order for them to "occupy the land" and "reap where
they have not sown", resulting in the below obscenity, a holocaust of
gigantic proportions.
The Hamites who occupied the Land of Israel were not Semitic.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
So, the Bible makes it clear that there were NO "palestinians" in
Israel. Good; that means that they have no legal claim to Israeli
land today. That having been esablished lets look at the rest of
your position.
Didn't you even read this before you posted it? It directly says
that God Himself commanded the execution of the idolater who occupied
Israel.
You want to condemn Israel for what God COMMANDED?????
You are calling God's actions evil.
Are you a Satanist???
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Yes, this is part ot the message that God sent to the Pharoah of
Egypt. Are you trying to call God "evil"???
Frank, I thought you were an Atheist, but you sound like a Satanist.
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Yes, God did command an angel to slay any Jew who had converted to any
religion other than Judaism.
What exactly is your point? You claimed that these verses were about
the Jews taking action against a people which did not exist when these
books of the Bible were written. Your claim was foolish to begin
with, but your quotes make no sence at all. Did you think that people
would be too stupid to look up the verses to see if you were taking
quotes out of context, or maybe even making things up completely? if
so, you were wrong. You have been caught attempting to use the Word
of God to promote your lie.
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Are you sure that the King Jimmy Translation calls the Pagans
"Infidels"?? You are using Islamic terminiology that does not apply
to these Pagans. Since the Pagan nations never knew God, they could
not be unfaithful (infidel) to Him. The Bible calls them "Goyim,"
which is Hebrew for "nations/Pagans."
Additionally, the actual Bible uses the word "brit" where you have
typed "compromise." "Brit" means "covenant." So, God forbid Israel,
His People, from making a deal with pagans. You could apply this to
today's situation meaning that God forbids Muslims from living in
Israel and forbids anyone who believes in God from making a peace
treaty that allows these pagans to take any Israeli land.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
So, God commanded all the pagans to be exected for defiling His land
and attempting to take it away from the Jews. God is the one in
charge of the Universe, so He can do that. To proove this fact, in
Joshua 10:12, God allows Joshua to issue a command to the Sun that it
stop in the sky until the battle was completed and then God caused the
Sun to obey Joshua's command. Obviously Joshua was nothing more than
a servant of God. Joshua obeyed God. It was God who decreed the
deaths of the Pagans who were living in Israel before the Jews took
possesion of the land that God gave to the Jews for all time. I would
not argue with God. Do you actually hate the Jews enough to claim God
sinned by ordering them to destroy these pagans? If so, go tell God
that you think that He is evil. LOL. We are all tired of hearing you
make these silly accusations against God.
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Frank, you left off verse 2.
"So Said HaShem, Master of Legions: 'I have remembered what Amalek did
to Israel - the ambush he emplaced against him on the way as he went
up from Egypt"
So you are complaining about something that God did!
If you don't like God or think that He has committed any evil action,
take it up with Him when you go to be judged, but don't blame the Jews
for what God said and did. Personally, I trust God, and believe that
since He commanded it, it must have been the right thing.
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
LOL
So, now you are blaming the Jews for what Darius the Meade did!
Frank, God chose to pay back Babylon for what they did to the Jews.
However he did not want to make the Jews do it. The Jews were/are not
violent enough to execute the sentance that God passed upon Babylon;
so, God made the Meades destroy Babylon. Haven't you bothered to read
the Bible?
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Yes, the Jews in Samaria were horribly treated by the Assyrians. And
Yes, this happened because they stoped practicing Judaism and adopted
Pagan worship. I am not sure how this is supposed to illustrate Jews
hurting anyone since the Jews were the ones being hurt and killed.
Did you even bother to read the chapter before using this quote? Of
course we also know that Got destroyed Assyria for doing this - just
chek a political map of the world, and you will see that Assyria is
not there anymore.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
In Numbers 31:2, God ordered the execution of the Midianites; in
versees 17 & 18, Moses had to rebuke the Jews for being too merciful.
Frank, the Bible is full of incidents where the Jews are too merciful
to their enemies, just as we see today in the modern nation of Israel.
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29 May 2005 04:51:18 PM |
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"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 21:21:59 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Aaron" <anon@home.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 14:03:19 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
Stop spouting hate Frankie!!!! They don't invade our country,
dispossess us and make us refugees, do they?
Their Koran says that they must do this as soon as they amasse enough
firepower to do so. Of course the Koran demdns genocide of all
non-Muslims.
No, we and our proxies only do that to
them and have been doing so ever since the crusades.
Actually, the Christian nations invaded Israel. The population was
primarily Jewish. The land was claimed as a territory by the Muslims,
but they had not actually taken possession of the land. They only
occupied Israel for a total of six years. Now, potions of Israel are
occupied by racist terrorist Muslims. The European nations' disregard
for the Bible's statement that the region is owned by Israel will
bring about disastrous results for those who oppose God by Giving
Israeli land to Muslims.
Once they invade and
occupy our country and make us refugees by the millions, THEN you have
reasons to complain, till then you are just a hate-monger who will be
judged
by the same standards you apply to them. See below Christ telling you.
You
better listen to Him.
Frank, you have stated over and over that you hate Jews like Jesus.
You will even support people who have stated that they desire the
destruction of all Christianity as long as you get to see them murder
Jews first. Frank, please repent of your racism before it is too
late! You can come to know Messiah if you set aside your hatered for
Him and His people.
You and Frankie, along with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and other
mass-murderers fully support the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and the
Holocaust of the entire population of the region, in fact the killing "all
that breatheth".
You mean the events recorded in the Bible. Obviously any Christian
supports God and HIS choice to remove Pagans from the Land of Israel.
Yes. Like Hitler removed "pagans" from the land of Germany. Your
hypocricy is showing by excusing one holocaust but condemning another. But
unless Jesus lied, you WILL be judged likewise.
Read again below the utter obscenity of the Hebrews' actions, and
shudder.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHWH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHWH, though "the same
yesterday, today and tomorrow" decided to change His mind and command both
coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill their Semitic brothers, sisters
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