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"GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
On 9 Oct 2004 13:28:02 -0700,
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[ ... ]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of marriage,
abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide -- emerge
as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half. The gap
between the percentage of Americans saying each of these issues is
morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12 percentage
points,...
[ ... ]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with
a randomly selected national sample of 1,000 adults,
aged 18 and older, conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
Abortion ............................. 40 .......... 50
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AND --
"A recent Gallup Poll testing Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 social issues finds nearly unanimous agreement
that three of the items are immoral: polygamy, extramarital affairs,
and human cloning. On the other hand, most believe that six are
morally acceptable: divorce, the death penalty, gambling, use of
animal fur for human clothing, medical testing on animals, and
premarital sex. Americans are close to split on four: having a baby
outside of marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-
assisted suicide. Nearly equal numbers consider each of these
morally acceptable as morally wrong. Generational differences in
these attitudes are generally greater than gender differences."
My comment:
Polygamy, and extramarital affairs carry a high potential for
doing immediate and significant harm to people, so it's quite
reasonable that these would constitute 2 of the 3 least acceptable
practices to society. Human cloning, however, is an exciting and
fasscinating concept on which I see such *minimal* potential for
harm, that I think this will turn atound and become widely accept-
able just as soon as it gets fully underway, and people can see that
for themselves. Just as was the case with in-vitro fertilization, and
interracial marriage.
It's logical that divorce be regarded as acceptable since at
least half of the population engages in it. (Shows a concomitant
lack of hypocrisy!) The death penalty, when assurance can be
made that there's absolutly no doubt of the perpetrator's guilt,
simply is taking out the trash. No prob. Gambling? Lots of fun,
for most who do it. For the small percentage who have problems
with it, there are organizations like "Bet's Off" that can help them.
Animal fur for clothing? No biggie, if the animals are not endan-
gered species, and are slaughtered humanely. No different from
killing cattle so people can enjoy eating burgers. Medical testing
on animals is beneficial BOTH to people AND to animals. No prob.
Premarital sex? No biggie, and most people enjoy it -- a LOT!! -- at
some period of time during their lives. (But I strongly recommend
that they practice Safe Sex/ good contraception, well, to prevent
most STD's and unwanted pregnancies.)
As for those issues where people are more evenly divided ---
having a baby outside of marriage? Up to the woman. Abortion?
Up to the woman. Homosexual behavior? Up to the consenting
adults who participate. Doctor-assisted suicide? Up to the
doctor and the patient -- per legal guidlines. Which exist in Oregon.
See the trend? it would take control-freakish BUSYBODIES to
be on the opposing side of those four situations, since in all four
cases, it is NONE of the business of most people.
So -- America still has a lot of growing up to do, yet, with
respect to its busybodyism!
VERY encouraging is *this* assessment from Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/login.aspx?ci=11461
"Americans are sharply divided today in their identification
with the 'pro-choice' and 'pro-life' sides of the abortion debate,
though relatively few would like to see abortion laws made more
strict. Overall, voters rank abortion as one of the least important
among the leading issues facing the country in this election."
Then, there's this poll:
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ABC News/Washington Post Poll. May 20-23, 2004.
N=1,005 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS.
..
"Do you think abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in
most cases, illegal in most cases, or illegal in all cases?"
(In percent of registered voters polled) --
Legal Legal Illegal Illegal
In All In Most In Most In All No
Cases Cases Cases Cases Opinion
23 31 23 20 2
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Consider the Gallup data, farther above, and this data.
Just 3-4 decades ago, the vast majority of Americans would have
been significantly opposed to almost ALL of that. Gradually, over
time, America has outgrown such stupidity. And, no doubt, will
CONTINUE to.
And HARD-CORE Anti-Choicers, with respect to abortion,
are pleasantly outnumbered by 5-1 !! The other 80% have
varying degrees of flexibility.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,052 GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
10 Oct 2004 07:23:25 PM |
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"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of marriage,
abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide -- emerge
as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half. The gap
between the percentage of Americans saying each of these issues is
morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12 percentage
points,...
[...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with
a randomly selected national sample of 1,000 adults,
aged 18 and older, conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
==================================================================
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
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| User: "Jake The Snake" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
10 Oct 2004 07:26:14 PM |
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On 2004-10-10 17:23:25 -0700, (papa jack) said:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______ Divorce
.............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
==================================================================
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
12 Oct 2004 10:52:50 AM |
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Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<2004101017261443658%dardin@hotmailcom>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in
half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
==================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
==================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
12 Oct 2004 11:41:52 AM |
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"papa jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:bd9f1f6b.0410120752.4339da61@posting.google.com...
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<2004101017261443658%dardin@hotmailcom>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in
half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
==================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
==================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
Your conclusion is flawed.
1. 50% isn't a majority. It's half.
2. If that 50% think abortion is wrong, then they shouldn't do it. Their
opinion doesn't give them the right to restrict others from doing it.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
12 Oct 2004 04:23:30 PM |
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papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<2004101017261443658%dardin@hotmailcom>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
==================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
==================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally acceptable" either.
I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they can, and cannot
do with what is going on inside their bodies and would not seek to dictate
to a woman her decision to have an abortion.
The poll results does not lead to your conclusion.
--
Brigham Young on interracial marriage:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the
white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed
of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This
will always be so."
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
13 Oct 2004 06:52:14 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
in message news:<mXXad.2446$gy1.337@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
============================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally acceptable"
either. I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
That's such an old, trite, and illogical "bumper sticker" slogan.
How would you react if an abusive parent told you:
"If you don't believe in beating children, then don't
beat yours."
It's exactly the same thing, Andrealphus. Just because
the child is smaller and in an earlier stage of development,
doesn't change society's obligation to protect it.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they
can, and cannot do with what is going on inside their bodies
and would not seek to dictate to a woman her decision to have
an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Why? Would you hesitate to tell your neighbor to quit
beating (or killing) his 2-year old daughter? Would you
just turn your head and walk away?
We're discussing the killing of living human beings for
the convenience of their parents.
We're discussing human rights.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
The poll results does not lead to your conclusion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack
Read what I wrote again:
"This is in line with other major polls in recent
years which indicate a majority of folks would
prefer to see more limitations on abortion on
demand."
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June 2003 – Center for the Advancement of Women
"Do you believe that abortion should be generally available
to those that want it or that is should be allowed on in the
cases of rape, incest or when the life of the mother is in
danger or not at all."
Available with exceptions or not at all .... 51%
Generally available .........................30%
************************************************************
July 2003 - FOX NEWS
"Once a woman is pregnant, do you believe the unborn
baby or fetus should have all the same rights as a
newborn baby?"
Yes ................ 58%
No ................. 26%
Maybe .............. 16%
************************************************************************
A column by Mark Shields was posted on July 21, 2001,
titled: "The Press and Abortion."
________________________________________________________________
[...]
...In a June 2000 Los Angeles Times poll of 2,071 adults
nationwide, the question was asked, "Do you agree or
disagree with this statement: ‘Abortion is murder'?"
Pretty straightforward, you would have to agree. The
answer:
57 percent of those surveyed agreed that "abortion
is murder," while
36 percent disagreed.
Among women (abortion, we are regularly told, is a
woman's issue from which men would do well to butt
out), 61 percent judged abortion to be murder.
That result jibed with an earlier New York Times
national poll, which reported the nation's turmoil
over the abortion issue: "At base, the country
remains irreconcilably riven over what many consider
the most divisive American issue since slavery, with
half the population considering abortion murder."
Add to the findings of the two Times polls the
Newsweek magazine survey of late 1998, which asked,
"Do you personally believe that abortion is wrong?"
In our relentlessly non-judgmental society, a solid
majority -- 56 percent to 36 percent -- admitted
they personally judged abortion to be wrong.
Because of the three organizations that published
those poll results -- all certified in the American
press establishment -- the numbers cannot be ridi-
culed as right-wing propaganda. Still, the findings
are largely ignored by most of my brothers and
sisters in the Washington press corps, many of whom
do not know well anyone professionally or socially
who is pro-life on abortion. This is not because
most Washington journalists are two-timing, liberal
double agents conniving to elect more pro-choice
Democrats to office. Instead, it is because --
regardless of whether they favor or oppose tax cuts
or a patients' bill of rights -- an almost unanimous
majority of the Washington press corps is culturally
to the left of most of the country on abortion, gay
rights, and sexual freedoms.
[...]
Americans remain profoundly ambivalent about abortion.
Lydia Saad, the respected managing editor of the
Gallup Poll, has just completed a definitive study
of all major and minor polls conducted over the last
five years on abortion. She has found Americans almost
equally divided on whether they call themselves pro-
life or pro-choice. But what Saad sees is a definite
consensus among both groups on when abortion ought
to be acceptable or unacceptable.
Saad notes that,
"One-sided majorities -- including most pro-choice
people -- decisively oppose abortion in the second
trimester and third trimester, and
all groups are emphatically opposed to partial birth
abortion." At the same time,
large majorities, including pro-life people, favor
legal abortion in the cases of rape or incest, or
the life or physical health of the mother.
"On all of these," says Saad, "there exists a solid
consensus of both pro-life and pro-choice Americans."
We all have our blind spots. The Washington press
corps is mostly blind about abortion and about the
fact that most of their fellow citizens strongly
oppose what is called abortion on demand, that is
surgical termination of the pregnancy at any time
for whatever reason. Most also do favor a waiting
period and parental consent before the serious
surgery of abortion.
[...]
What we have now, it must be obvious, is "a minority
imposing its will upon the majority."
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
13 Oct 2004 09:14:55 PM |
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papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
in message
news:<mXXad.2446$gy1.337@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the
nation. The results tell much about the cultural climate of the
country,... [...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide -- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American
public in half. The gap between the percentage of Americans
saying each of these issues is morally acceptable or morally
wrong is no more than 12 percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
============================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally acceptable"
either. I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
That's such an old, trite, and illogical "bumper sticker" slogan.
But true nontheless.
How would you react if an abusive parent told you:
"If you don't believe in beating children, then don't
beat yours."
What children?
It's exactly the same thing, Andrealphus. Just because
the child is smaller and in an earlier stage of development,
doesn't change society's obligation to protect it.
What child? We're talking about a fetus.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they
can, and cannot do with what is going on inside their bodies
and would not seek to dictate to a woman her decision to have
an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Why? Would you hesitate to tell your neighbor to quit
beating (or killing) his 2-year old daughter?
What is his two year old daughter doing inside his or her body?
--
Brigham Young on interracial marriage:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the
white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed
of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This
will always be so."
.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 05:06:55 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
in message news:<zilbd.2500$6k2.66@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the
nation. The results tell much about the cultural climate of the
country,... [...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide -- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American
public in half. The gap between the percentage of Americans
saying each of these issues is morally acceptable or morally
wrong is no more than 12 percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a
randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
============================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally acceptable"
either. I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
That's such an old, trite, and illogical "bumper sticker" slogan.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
But true nontheless.
============================================================================
Papa Jack disagreed:
So you admit it's an illogical "bumper sticker" slogan?
What you're doing is totally concentrating on the pregnant
woman and HER RIGHTS -- while totally ignoring the problem
of the unborn child's humanity and HUMAN RIGHT to live.
============================================================================
Papa Jack
How would you react if an abusive parent told you:
"If you don't believe in beating children, then don't
beat yours."
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What children?
============================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
That's a good DODGE, Andrealphus -- but, you're still
running away from the real issues here.
Even if you don't personally have children, do you
support the child abuse laws of your state and your
community? Why?
============================================================================
Papa Jack
It's exactly the same thing, Andrealphus. Just because
the child is smaller and in an earlier stage of development,
doesn't change society's obligation to protect it.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What child? We're talking about a fetus.
============================================================================
Papa Jack shook his head:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/
Main Entry: child 
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic
kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jathara belly
1 a : an UNBORN or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
********************************************************************
http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0291300.html
The American Heritage Dictionary
Child:
Inflected forms: pl. chil·dren ( chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty. 2a. An UNBORN INFANT;
a FETUS. ...
********************************************************************
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., 1990)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/abtrbng/terms.htm
Child; Children. Progeny; offspring of parentage. UNBORN or
recently born human being. Wilson v. Weaver, 358 F.Supp. 1147, 1154. .
..
Unborn child. The individual human life in existence and developing
prior to birth. A CHILD NOT YET BORN at the happening of an
event....
********************************************************************
Medical dictionary
http://www.intelihealth.com/cgi-bin/dictionary.cgi?book=Medical&adv=0&cgi=1&t=9276&p=%7Ebr%2CIHW%7C%7Est%2C9276%7C%7Er%2CWSIHW000%7C%7Eb%2C*%7C&WEB_HOME=%2FIH%2F&MIVAL=ihtIH&WEB_HOST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intelihealth.com&va=child&search.x=15&search.y=7
Main Entry: child
Function: noun
1 : an unborn or recently born person
2 : a young person especially between infancy and youth
- with child : PREGNANT
********************************************************************
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Unborn+child
An unborn child is a child in utero, i.e., "a member of the species
homo sapiens
Humans (Homo sapiens) are a species of great ape and the only
surviving species of the genus Homo. The species is commonly referred
to as man, mankind or humanity and its members as humans, human
beings, persons or people. Adult males are known as men and adult
females as women. There is only one extant subspecies, H. sapiens
sapiens. Humans are notable for their high intelligence and the
ability to use language and culture.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they
can, and cannot do with what is going on inside their bodies
and would not seek to dictate to a woman her decision to have
an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Why? Would you hesitate to tell your neighbor to quit
beating (or killing) his 2-year old daughter?
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What is his two year old daughter doing inside his or her body?
============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
See, you ran away again -- trying to cover your tracks by
pretending humor.
My point is that killing unborn children for the lifestyle
convenience of parents is the worst form of child abuse.
Very few are willing to try to defend the abuse of born
children, but you will try to defend the unnecessary
killing of millions of unborn human beings.
You try to justify abortions by claiming the unborn are
very small or in an early stage of development -- but,
can't you say the same thing about newborn infants?
Think about the issues rather than just parroting the
same old abortion industry slogans.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 05:22:52 AM |
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papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
in message
news:<zilbd.2500$6k2.66@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the
nation. The results tell much about the cultural climate of the
country,... [...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide -- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American
public in half. The gap between the percentage of Americans
saying each of these issues is morally acceptable or morally
wrong is no more than 12 percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a
randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
============================================================================
Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally acceptable"
either. I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
That's such an old, trite, and illogical "bumper sticker" slogan.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
But true nontheless.
============================================================================
Papa Jack disagreed:
So you admit it's an illogical "bumper sticker" slogan?
What you're doing is totally concentrating on the pregnant
woman and HER RIGHTS -- while totally ignoring the problem
of the unborn child's humanity and HUMAN RIGHT to live.
============================================================================
Papa Jack
How would you react if an abusive parent told you:
"If you don't believe in beating children, then don't
beat yours."
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What children?
============================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
That's a good DODGE, Andrealphus -- but, you're still
running away from the real issues here.
We weren't talking about children. Let me know when you can discuss the
topic at hand.
Even if you don't personally have children, do you
support the child abuse laws of your state and your
community? Why?
============================================================================
Papa Jack
It's exactly the same thing, Andrealphus. Just because
the child is smaller and in an earlier stage of development,
doesn't change society's obligation to protect it.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What child? We're talking about a fetus.
============================================================================
Papa Jack shook his head:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/
Main Entry: child 
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic
kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jathara belly
1 a : an UNBORN or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
********************************************************************
http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0291300.html
The American Heritage Dictionary
Child:
Inflected forms: pl. chil·dren ( chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty. 2a. An UNBORN INFANT;
a FETUS. ...
********************************************************************
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., 1990)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/abtrbng/terms.htm
Child; Children. Progeny; offspring of parentage. UNBORN or
recently born human being. Wilson v. Weaver, 358 F.Supp. 1147, 1154. .
.
Unborn child. The individual human life in existence and developing
prior to birth. A CHILD NOT YET BORN at the happening of an
event....
********************************************************************
Medical dictionary
http://www.intelihealth.com/cgi-bin/dictionary.cgi?book=Medical&adv=0&cgi=1&t=9276&p=%7Ebr%2CIHW%7C%7Est%2C9276%7C%7Er%2CWSIHW000%7C%7Eb%2C*%7C&WEB_HOME=%2FIH%2F&MIVAL=ihtIH&WEB_HOST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intelihealth.com&va=child&search.x=15&search.y=7
Main Entry: child
Function: noun
1 : an unborn or recently born person
2 : a young person especially between infancy and youth
- with child : PREGNANT
********************************************************************
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Unborn+child
An unborn child is a child in utero, i.e., "a member of the species
homo sapiens
Humans (Homo sapiens) are a species of great ape and the only
surviving species of the genus Homo. The species is commonly referred
to as man, mankind or humanity and its members as humans, human
beings, persons or people. Adult males are known as men and adult
females as women. There is only one extant subspecies, H. sapiens
sapiens. Humans are notable for their high intelligence and the
ability to use language and culture.
"Child: Delvelopmental stage of life beginning at birth
and ending at the start of adolesence."
Draughn's book of medical definitions, Harvard Library of science and law."
Compiled by Dr. Edwin Murray Ph.D.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they
can, and cannot do with what is going on inside their bodies
and would not seek to dictate to a woman her decision to have
an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Why? Would you hesitate to tell your neighbor to quit
beating (or killing) his 2-year old daughter?
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What is his two year old daughter doing inside his or her body?
============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
See, you ran away again
Nope, just trying to draw some parallel between what was being discussed,
and what you are babbling on about. Apparently, you were not happy with the
discussion as it was being presented, so you must devolve it to a level you
like. I'm simply not letting you do so.
--
Brigham Young on interracial marriage:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the
white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed
of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This
will always be so."
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 06:59:15 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
in message news:<0ssbd.3791$gy1.1968@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote:
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Andrealphus" <OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote
papa jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
============================================================================
[snip]
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
My point is simply to inform our readers how the American
public responded to this poll of their moral values.
Please note only 40% of the respondents stated abortion
is "morally acceptable" to them.
This is in line with other major polls in recent years
which indicate a majority of folks would prefer to see
more limitations on abortion on demand.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nonsense. I do not believe that abortion is "morally
acceptable"
either. I, therefore, would not have an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replies:
That's such an old, trite, and illogical "bumper sticker" slogan.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
But true nontheless.
============================================================================
Papa Jack disagreed:
So you admit it's an illogical "bumper sticker" slogan?
What you're doing is totally concentrating on the pregnant
woman and HER RIGHTS -- while totally ignoring the problem
of the unborn child's humanity and HUMAN RIGHT to live.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
============================================================================
Papa Jack
How would you react if an abusive parent told you:
"If you don't believe in beating children, then don't
beat yours."
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What children?
============================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
That's a good DODGE, Andrealphus -- but, you're still
running away from the real issues here.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
We weren't talking about children. Let me know when you
can discuss the topic at hand.
============================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
But, you only want to discuss the topic at hand when you
can totally control the definitions of all the words used
and the direction of the discussion.
Nice work if you can get it.
Now, back to the discussion at hand. We're deliberating
about abortion. Let's go to the Findlaw legal dictionary:
http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/results.pl?co=dictionary.lp.findlaw.com&topic=80/804a02d360f0b38138851e2548dc6c66
abortion
1: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by,
or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus
esp
: the medical procedure of inducing expulsion of a human
fetus to terminate a pregnancy
Do you agree we're debating abortion?
============================================================================
Papa Jack
Even if you don't personally have children, do you
support the child abuse laws of your state and your
community? Why?
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
============================================================================
Papa Jack
It's exactly the same thing, Andrealphus. Just because
the child is smaller and in an earlier stage of development,
doesn't change society's obligation to protect it.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What child? We're talking about a fetus.
============================================================================
Papa Jack shook his head:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/
Main Entry: child 
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic
kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jathara belly
1 a : an UNBORN or recently born person b dialect : a female infant
********************************************************************
http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/C0291300.html
The American Heritage Dictionary
Child:
Inflected forms: pl. chil·dren ( chldrn)
1. A person between birth and puberty. 2a. An UNBORN INFANT;
a FETUS. ...
********************************************************************
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., 1990)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/abtrbng/terms.htm
Child; Children. Progeny; offspring of parentage. UNBORN or
recently born human being. Wilson v. Weaver, 358 F.Supp. 1147,
1154. .
Unborn child. The individual human life in existence and developing
prior to birth. A CHILD NOT YET BORN at the happening of an
event....
********************************************************************
Medical dictionary
http://www.intelihealth.com/cgi-bin/dictionary.cgi?book=Medical&adv=0&cgi=1&t=9276&p=%7Ebr%2CIHW%7C%7Est%2C9276%7C%7Er%2CWSIHW000%7C%7Eb%2C*%7C&WEB_HOME=%2FIH%2F&MIVAL=ihtIH&WEB_HOST=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.intelihealth.com&va=child&search.x=15&search.y=7
Main Entry: child
Function: noun
1 : an unborn or recently born person
2 : a young person especially between infancy and youth
- with child : PREGNANT
********************************************************************
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Unborn+child
An unborn child is a child in utero, i.e., "a member of the species
homo sapiens
Humans (Homo sapiens) are a species of great ape and the only
surviving species of the genus Homo. The species is commonly
referred
to as man, mankind or humanity and its members as humans, human
beings, persons or people. Adult males are known as men and adult
females as women. There is only one extant subspecies, H. sapiens
sapiens. Humans are notable for their high intelligence and the
ability to use language and culture.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
"Child: Delvelopmental [sic] stage of life beginning at birth
and ending at the start of adolesence."
Draughn's book of medical definitions, Harvard Library of science
and law." Compiled by Dr. Edwin Murray Ph.D.
============================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
Let's see -- I offered 5 definitions of "child." Two from
highly respected general dictionaries, one from a medical
dictionary, one from a legal dictionary, and one from an
on-line encyclopedia. I provided URLs with each so the
readers could check for theirselves.
In return, you offered one from an obscure book with no
on-line URL.
Hmmmm. I guess now you're claiming your one obscure
reference will "PROVE" my 5 definitions are all wrong?
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
However, it is not my place to tell other people what they
can, and cannot do with what is going on inside their bodies
and would not seek to dictate to a woman her decision to have
an abortion.
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Why? Would you hesitate to tell your neighbor to quit
beating (or killing) his 2-year old daughter?
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
What is his two year old daughter doing inside his or her body?
============================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
See, you ran away again
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
Nope, just trying to draw some parallel between what was
being discussed,....
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Abortion -- the killing of unborn children -- is what we
are discussing.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
...and what you are babbling on about....
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Papa Jack noted:
When you don't have a good reply, you resort to childish
insults? Not very impressive.
You are the only one having a problem with figuring out
"WHAT" we are discussing, Andrealphus.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
...Apparently, you were not happy with the discussion as it
was being presented, so you must devolve it to a level you
like....
============================================================================
Papa Jack observed:
I see you have a rich fantasy life, Andrealphus.
You were the one who offered your old, trite, and illogical
"bumper sticker" slogan.
Then, you denied the truth of 5 dictionary definitions of
"child."
You're really operating at a very "high" level. NOT.
============================================================================
Andrealphus wrote:
...I'm simply not letting you do so.
============================================================================
Papa Jack smiled:
Oh, gosh, I'm really wounded.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 11:14:27 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
What you're doing is totally concentrating on the pregnant
woman and HER RIGHTS -- while totally ignoring the problem
of the unborn child's humanity and HUMAN RIGHT to live.
Jackass says that he is willing to give up his money and freedom in
order to protect a child's right to live.
How special.
I wonder why he still spends money on his ISP.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 11:18:02 PM |
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In article <cknir2$c63$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
What you're doing is totally concentrating on the pregnant
woman and HER RIGHTS -- while totally ignoring the problem
of the unborn child's humanity and HUMAN RIGHT to live.
Jackass says that he is willing to give up his money and freedom in
order to protect a child's right to live.
How special.
I wonder why he still spends money on his ISP.
Maybe he meant, "in theory."
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
11 Oct 2004 10:43:32 AM |
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Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2004101017261443658%dardin@hotmailcom>...
On 2004-10-10 17:23:25 -0700, (papa jack) said:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______ Divorce
.............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
==================================================================
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
Perhaps he is showing a pattern of moral decay. All of those
catagories should have read in the high 90% area as being morally
unacceptable. Decency and wholesome values have given way to decedant
behavior. Families are being replaced by the liberal controlled media
as the source of proper role models. A cult of the devaluation of life
has been promoted and has now touched every area of our society;
including Gov.Bush's foreign policies. Homosexuality, while not the
fault of the individual, has been endorsed to the point of actually
telling gays that buggery is a "right", thereby condemning untold
thousands to a premature death. America's abortion policies will be
remembered by history as our nations greatest sin; surpassing even the
genocide of the Native Americans.
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
11 Oct 2004 12:55:30 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9c2d0f9a.0410110743.3af51cea@posting.google.com...
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<2004101017261443658%dardin@hotmailcom>...
On 2004-10-10 17:23:25 -0700, (papa jack) said:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide
-- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public in
half.
The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each of these
issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more than 12
percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a
randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______ Divorce
.............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
==================================================================
"All articles which coruscate are not auriferous."
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
Perhaps he is showing a pattern of moral decay. All of those
catagories should have read in the high 90% area as being morally
unacceptable.
According to whom? You? God? - or are you god?
Decency and wholesome values have given way to decedant
behavior.
True - nowhere more evidence than in the attitudes or self righteous,
arrogant, ignotrant trailer trash like you!
Families are being replaced by the liberal controlled media
as the source of proper role models.
Another Reich wing lie ... the "liveral controlled media".
A cult of the devaluation of life
has been promoted and has now touched every area of our society;
including Gov.Bush's foreign policies. Homosexuality, while not the
fault of the individual, has been endorsed to the point of actually
telling gays that buggery is a "right", thereby condemning untold
thousands to a premature death.
What?
It is a DISEASE, not a sexual lifestyle that condemns people to death, you
idiot!
America's abortion policies will be
remembered by history as our nations greatest sin; surpassing even the
genocide of the Native Americans.
Yea ... right ..... and you and your fanatical extremists will keep
bellowing your fire and brimstone crap ANY time someone does NOT fit your
self centered judgment!
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12 Oct 2004 11:54:41 AM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
in message news:<10mli8gcrh6te55@corp.supernews.com>...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) said:
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Papa Jack cited:
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide -- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American public
in half. The gap between the percentage of Americans saying each
of these issues is morally acceptable or morally wrong is no more
than 12 percentage points,... [...]
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and older,
conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
__________ _______
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
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Jake wrote:
What is your point? (And your chart sucks.)
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J Young wrote:
Perhaps he is showing a pattern of moral decay. All of those
catagories should have read in the high 90% area as being
morally unacceptable.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
According to whom? You? God? - or are you god?
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Papa Jack remarked:
Why don't you tell us more about YOUR moral values -- if
you have any?
Which of the listed categories do you feel are morally
good for our society?
1. Divorce
2. The death penalty
3. Sex between an unmarried man and woman
4. Having a baby outside of marriage
5. Homosexual behavior
6. ABORTION
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J Young wrote:
Decency and wholesome values have given way to decedant
behavior.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
True - nowhere more evidence than in the attitudes or self
righteous, arrogant, ignotrant [sic] trailer trash like you!
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Papa Jack shook his head:
If you're going to call other folks "ignorant," you really
should at least spell it correctly.
BTW, how do YOU define "trailor trash?"
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J Young wrote:
Families are being replaced by the liberal controlled media
as the source of proper role models.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
Another Reich wing lie ...
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Papa Jack asked:
As in Robert Bernard Reich wing lie?
I will admit that Clinton's former Labor Secretary is
a gifted liar.
However, the main thing I have against Reich is his
role in introducing Hillary to Bill. Ugh.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
... the "liveral [sic] controlled media".
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Papa Jack asked:
Huh?
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J Young wrote:
A cult of the devaluation of life
has been promoted and has now touched every area of our society;
including Gov.Bush's foreign policies. Homosexuality, while not the
fault of the individual, has been endorsed to the point of actually
telling gays that buggery is a "right", thereby condemning untold
thousands to a premature death.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
What? It is a DISEASE, not a sexual lifestyle that condemns
people to death, you idiot!
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Papa Jack remarked:
Are you really denying that the homosexual community played
a major role in initially spreading HIV/AIDS in the U.S.?
It's long been known that wildly promiscuous sexual behavior
is epidemic in the homosexual communities around this nation.
Yes, there are many exceptions, but there are tens of
thousands who have sexual relations with dozens of others
each year.
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J Young wrote:
America's abortion policies will be remembered by history
as our nations greatest sin; surpassing even the genocide
of the Native Americans.
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ZenIsWhen wrote:
Yea ... right ..... and you and your fanatical extremists
will keep bellowing your fire and brimstone crap ANY time
someone does NOT fit your self centered judgment!
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Papa Jack commented:
Since Roe v Wade in 1973, abortions have directly caused
the mass slaughter of over 35,000,000 unborn human beings.
Millions of Americans believe that slaughter is a terrible
disgrace to our nation's history.
Why don't you try actually thinking about how so many honest,
sincere people could consider unborn children to be human
beings who deserve human rights? Just calling your opponent's
childish names really makes you look bigoted.
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
12 Oct 2004 07:17:47 PM |
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On 12 Oct 2004 09:54:41 -0700,
Bioted Loon, "Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
J. Young wrote:
[ ... ]
Which of the listed categories do you feel are morally
good for our society?
Here are MY answers to the items in your list, below:
1. Divorce
Good for society, in that it seves as a necessary pressure valve
that no doubt prevents incompatible couples fro having to resort to
killing each other. Thus, even in the Bible, God admitted that He
hates it, but nevertheless, He *permitted* it.
2. The death penalty
Good!! Takes out the trash!! (But should be carried out only
upon capital crimals about whom NO DOUBT of their guilt exists.
3. Sex between an unmarried man and woman.
No biggie, IF those involved practice Safe Sex methods WELL.
and thus reduce the chance of STD trasmission between them
almost to the vanishing point. Accomplished by millions of people,
consequences-free, every day. (And NO one else's business but
that of the people directly involved.)
4. Having a baby outside of marriage
Tens of millions actually do that by CHOICE. No prob.
5. Homosexual behavior
When having sex, they should do the same as heterosexuals
should do: practice Safe Sex methods WELL. Then -- NO
problem. (And again, NO one else's business.)
6. Abortion
Think "aspirin," "Band-Aids," and "the setting of broken arms."
Abortion is nothing but a harmless and hugely-beneficial REMEDY.
So if carried out as described above, NONE of those would be
problematical. And thus, NOT "moral" problems, since the best
definition of morality (dictionary or not; in *practicality*) is to
avoid doing overt harm to others in their pursuits and activities,
Decency and wholesome values have given way to
decedant behavior.
True - nowhere more evidence than in the attitudes or
self-righteous, arrogant, ignorant [losers*] like you!
( * "Trailer" reference replaced with term in keeping with
your sentiments. Many perfectly fine people live in trailers. )
Agreed. "J. Young" is a busybodyish and hateful control-
freak -- and thus the REAL loser present.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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Kerry -- two medals: a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well -- they don't give medals for
going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry -- a hero, Bush -- a zero.
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening...
The Bush 'economic' policy: - 3 million jobs and counting...
The Bush Iraq lie: - 1,052 GIs, and mounting...
Having Bush louse up my country: Worthless
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INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
11 Oct 2004 06:31:23 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:30 -0400,
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Jake The Snake <dardin@hotmail.com> wrote"
"Papa Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote::
"A recent Gallup Poll measured Americans' reaction to the moral
acceptability of 16 of the leading social issues facing the nation.
The results tell much about the cultural climate of the country,...
[...]
"Four issues in the May 2-4 poll -- having a baby outside of
marriage, abortion, homosexual behavior, and doctor-assisted
suicide -- emerge as divisive, nearly splitting the American
public in half. The gap between the percentage of Americans
saying each of these issues is morally acceptable or morally
wrong is no more than 12 percentage points,... [...]
A HUGE **improvement** over the moronically-repressive attitudes
that prevailed on these issus even as recently as the '70s and '80s!
America is rapidly OUTGROWING its mindless bigotries, and is drawing
inexorably closer to the very WELCOME status of being a Bigotry-Free
Zone!
"These results are based on telephone interviews with a
randomly selected national sample of 1,000 adults, aged 18 and
older, conducted May 2-4, 2004....
SUMMARY TABLE: MORAL ACCEPTABILITY OF ISSUES
2004 May 2-4 (sorted by "morally acceptable")
EXCERPTS:
Morally Morally
acceptable wrong
% %
Divorce .............................. 66 .......... 26
The death penalty .................... 65 .......... 28
Sex between an unmarried man and woman 60 .......... 36
Having a baby outside of marriage .... 49 .......... 45
Homosexual behavior .................. 42 .......... 54
ABORTION ............................. 40 .......... 50
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Perhaps he is showing a pattern of moral decay. All of those
catagories should have read in the high 90% area as being
morally unacceptable.
AWwwwwww. Poor baby!!!!! It really SUCKS to be
a LOSING bigot, doesn't it?
According to whom? You? God? - or are you god?
Decency and wholesome values have given way to decedant
behavior.
Quite the opposite. Bigotry and busybodyism are unconscionable,
hateful, and very IDIOTIC traits. And "ZenIsWhen's" responses to
you are RIGHT on the money ---
True - nowhere more evidence than in the attitudes or self righteous,
arrogant, ignorant trailer trash like you!
Families are being replaced by the liberal controlled media
as the source of proper role models.
(The same "liberal-controlled media that's been bending over
backward to stick us with 4 more years of BUSH? **That** "liberal
media?")
Another Reich wing lie ... the "liberal controlled media".
A cult of the devaluation of life has been promoted and has now
touched every area of our society; including Gov.Bush's foreign
policies. Homosexuality, while not the fault of the individual, has
been endorsed to the point of actually telling gays that [the way they
engage in sex] is a "right", thereby condemning untold thousands
to a premature death.
What?
It is a DISEASE, not a sexual lifestyle that condemns people to
death, you idiot!
Right. The SAME disease tht millions of HETEROsexuals have
contracted, worldwide, in the very *same* way. In fact, in Africa,
the AIDS-infected **hetero**sexuals vastly outnumber the infected
**homo*sexuals.
America's abortion policies will be remembered by history as our
nations greatest sin; surpassing even the genocide of the Native
Americans.
Wrong. It'll be remebered for exactly what Roe vs. Wade is -- the
second-greatest act of EMANCIPATION in American history -- almost a
century to the year after the first one.
Yeah ... right ..... and you and your fanatical extremists will keep
bellowing your fire and brimstone crap ANY time someone does NOT
fit your self-centered judgment!
Great responses, "ZenIsWhen"!! You beat me to it! My sentiments
exactly! (And, I'm sure that of countless MILLIONS of intelligent and
fair-minded Americans.)
These inane RRR cultists need to grow a collective brain, learn
that people have personal liberties -- the execising of which has NO
adverse effect upon them or anyone else -- and become sensible
enough to RESPECT people's rights.
J. Young, as usual -- is one self-PROVEN hateful and profoundly-
ignorant tool !!
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| User: "MIB529" |
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| Title: Re: Gallup Poll Results on Morality |
14 Oct 2004 11:45:10 PM |
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(J Young) wrote in message news:<9c2d0f9a.0410110743.3af51cea@posting.google.com>...
Perhaps he is showing a pattern of moral decay. All of those
catagories should have read in the high 90% area as being morally
unacceptable.
How does homosexuality concern you? Other than that you like to jerk
off while viewing it.
Decency and wholesome values have given way to decedant
behavior. Families are being replaced by the liberal controlled media
Actually, the worst medium by far is Fox. Which is controlled by Rupert
Murdoch, card-carrying member of Australia's Liberal Party, which is
kinda like Republicans here.
as the source of proper role models. A cult of the devaluation of life
has been promoted and has now touched every area of our society;
including Gov.Bush's foreign policies.
You could at least get his title right, and he's the most militantly
pro-life president since Reagan.
Homosexuality, while not the
fault of the individual, has been endorsed to the point of actually
telling gays that buggery is a "right", thereby condemning untold
thousands to a premature death.
Only if you aren't faithful. There's social pressure from heterosexuals
for gay couples to break up.
America's abortion policies will be
remembered by history as our nations greatest sin; surpassing even the
genocide of the Native Americans.
Of course, the U.S. denies actually intentionally killing off Indians,
and I'm sure there's a corollary to Godwin's law here.
BTW, what about depleted uranium? Apparently you're not pro-life, just
anti-choice because NO ONE should have a choice: You want to dictate
who does abortions.
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