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25 Jun 2007 05:00:37 AM |
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Re: God's hit rate |
Andrew said:
According to Christians, God has only ever managed
to create one good being. Jesus Christ.
Actually, Jesus Himself is God and the Creator.
"The Word was God . . . And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14).
"God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16).
"All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).
"By him were all things created" (Colossians 1:16).
Andrew said:
All the others either had no free will like the
angels, or were bad like the devil and humans.
It doesn't say that angels don't have free will. And
God didn't create the devil and humans as evil; they
became evil by their own free will.
"Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that
thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee"
(Ezekiel 28:15).
"God hath made man upright; but they have sought out
many inventions" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).
Andrew said:
His hit rate has so far been abysmal, and as yet he
hasn't been able to rectify the problem of creating
good beings without making them robots.
It doesn't say that the unfallen angels are robots.
Nor do Christian humans enter into the possibility of
being always-righteous by being made into robots;
instead, they are brought into the liberty and
righteousness of Jesus Christ by partaking of the
power of His Holy Spirit within them.
"The Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of
the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open
face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord" (2 Corinthians
3:17-18).
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all
things that pertain unto life and godliness, through
the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and
virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and
precious promises: that by these ye might be
partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust"
(2 Peter 1:3-4).
"Ye know that he was manifested to take away our
sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him
sinneth not" (1 John 3:5-6).
"Ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the
body" (Romans 8:13).
Andrew said:
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the
truth, that we must leave no stone unturned.
Actually, Jesus Himself is the truth and the stone.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
(John 14:6).
"Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,
Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect,
precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be
confounded" (1 Peter 2:6).
Andrew said:
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can
get all the answers to life from one convenient
book.
It is the person of Jesus Christ Himself who has all
the answers to life, for in Him "are hid all the
treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Colossians 2:3).
It is by His Word contained in the Bible that we can
be certain of being brought into true knowledge and
into true righteousness.
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples
indeed" (John 8:31).
"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye
shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto
you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much
fruit; so shall ye be my disciples" (John 15:7-8).
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: God's hit rate |
25 Jun 2007 05:10:58 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182765637.055263.17680@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Andrew said:
According to Christians, God has only ever managed
to create one good being. Jesus Christ.
Actually, Jesus Himself is God and the Creator.
"The Word was God . . . And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14).
"God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16).
"All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).
"By him were all things created" (Colossians 1:16).
Andrew said:
All the others either had no free will like the
angels, or were bad like the devil and humans.
It doesn't say that angels don't have free will. And
God didn't create the devil and humans as evil; they
became evil by their own free will.
"Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that
thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee"
(Ezekiel 28:15).
"God hath made man upright; but they have sought out
many inventions" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).
Andrew said:
His hit rate has so far been abysmal, and as yet he
hasn't been able to rectify the problem of creating
good beings without making them robots.
It doesn't say that the unfallen angels are robots.
Nor do Christian humans enter into the possibility of
being always-righteous by being made into robots;
instead, they are brought into the liberty and
righteousness of Jesus Christ by partaking of the
power of His Holy Spirit within them.
"The Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of
the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open
face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
even as by the Spirit of the Lord" (2 Corinthians
3:17-18).
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all
things that pertain unto life and godliness, through
the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and
virtue: whereby are given unto us exceeding great and
precious promises: that by these ye might be
partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust"
(2 Peter 1:3-4).
"Ye know that he was manifested to take away our
sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him
sinneth not" (1 John 3:5-6).
"Ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the
body" (Romans 8:13).
Andrew said:
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the
truth, that we must leave no stone unturned.
Actually, Jesus Himself is the truth and the stone.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
(John 14:6).
"Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,
Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect,
precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be
confounded" (1 Peter 2:6).
Andrew said:
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can
get all the answers to life from one convenient
book.
It is the person of Jesus Christ Himself who has all
the answers to life, for in Him "are hid all the
treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Colossians 2:3).
It is by His Word contained in the Bible that we can
be certain of being brought into true knowledge and
into true righteousness.
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples
indeed" (John 8:31).
"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye
shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto
you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much
fruit; so shall ye be my disciples" (John 15:7-8).
Your doctrine addiction condition is noted.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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| Title: Re: God's hit rate |
25 Jun 2007 07:45:00 PM |
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Andrew said on Jun 25, 3:10 pm:
Your doctrine addiction condition is noted.
Christians are to be addicted to ministering God's
true doctrine contained in His Word the Bible.
"They have addicted themselves to the ministry"
(1 Corinthians 16:15).
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4).
"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine;
continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both
save thyself, and them that hear thee"
(1 Timothy 4:16).
*******
(Subsequent post)
Andrew said on Jun 25, 3:21 pm:
[Re: Free will is the cause for evil. Evil comes
from our own hearts]
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Who put it there? Who created our hearts? Only God
could have because God created everything. Free
will cannot in itself be the cause of evil. Free
will is just the will to do things.
-Free will must include the potential to will to do
evil things; only free will is the cause of actual
evil.
Andrew said:
You are not thinking.
True Christians have been given the ability to think
with the very mind of Christ.
"We have the mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:16).
Andrew said:
You just read and believe.
True faith comes from reading and giving heed to the
Word of God.
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the
word of God" (Romans 10:17).
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: God's hit rate |
26 Jun 2007 02:51:18 AM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1182818700.881671.173470@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Andrew said on Jun 25, 3:10 pm:
Your doctrine addiction condition is noted.
Christians are to be addicted to ministering God's
true doctrine contained in His Word the Bible.
What makes you think the Christian Bible is God's word?
Is it only because it says so?
The 'Word' existed at the beginning - long before any scripture existed.
"They have addicted themselves to the ministry"
(1 Corinthians 16:15).
A 'ministry' is not the same as a mass produced book.
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4).
"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine;
continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both
save thyself, and them that hear thee"
(1 Timothy 4:16).
*******
(Subsequent post)
Andrew said on Jun 25, 3:21 pm:
[Re: Free will is the cause for evil. Evil comes
from our own hearts]
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Who put it there? Who created our hearts? Only God
could have because God created everything. Free
will cannot in itself be the cause of evil. Free
will is just the will to do things.
-Free will must include the potential to will to do
evil things; only free will is the cause of actual
evil.
No. Free will is like a seesaw. It can go both ways.
Only if its weighted more toward the negative does it tip to evil.
Now why would God put more evil into A&E than good?
Why would he put any evil into them at all?
Andrew said:
You are not thinking.
True Christians have been given the ability to think
with the very mind of Christ.
"We have the mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:16).
You don't.
Virtually no Christian does.
Why? Because Christians have practically no real spiritual knowledge what so
ever.
How can they when all they do is read and believe human doctrines which they
proudly declare to be God's doctrine?
They don't even know what a God is. They think he's a big humanoid
individual.
And whenever they hear any voice in their heads or see some spook they think
its God.
Andrew said:
You just read and believe.
True faith comes from reading and giving heed to the
Word of God.
"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the
word of God" (Romans 10:17).
Only problem is you don't know what "the Word of God" is so your faith is
completely misplaced.
It is people like you who end up becoming religio-lunatics like David Koresh
was.
Reading the Bible with absolute conviction makes you insane. David Koresh is
just one of the many proofs.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Read The Bible" |
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| Title: Re: God's hit rate |
26 Jun 2007 05:09:53 AM |
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Andrew said on Jun 26, 12:51 am:
What makes you think the Christian Bible is God's
word?
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God" (Romans 10:17).
"The holy scriptures, which are able to make thee
wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ
Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15).
"By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not
of yourselves: it is the gift of God" (Ephesians
2:8).
"As many as were ordained to eternal life believed"
(Acts 13:48).
Those not chosen by God won't believe the Bible is
His Word, no matter what.
"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither
will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead" (Luke 16:31).
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore
hear them not, because ye are not of God"
(John 8:47).
Andrew said:
Free will is like a seesaw. It can go both ways.
Only if its weighted more toward the negative does
it tip to evil.
No; free will isn't determined like a seesaw;
otherwise it wouldn't be free.
*******
(A subsequent post)
Andrew said on Jun 26, 1:28 am:
God planned all this. He designed our brains. He
put into us the measures of good and evil
tendencies. He purposely put in more evil than
good.
No; He gave us free will. We do evil when we give
in to our own lust.
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when
he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed"
(James 1:13-14).
Andrew said:
He obviously wanted the majority to suffer and die
which makes him more evil than good.
Only a few will be saved.
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the
gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat;
because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,
which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find
it" (Matthew 7:13-14).
But this doesn't make God evil, for those who are
lost will be lost because of their own free-willed
sins.
God shows His goodness in His willingness to save
some sinners.
"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while
we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"
(Romans 5:8).
We cannot say that God is unjust to not save
everybody.
"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness
with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will
have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will
have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So
then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that
runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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-For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this
same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might
shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he
mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he
hardeneth.
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Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find
fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O
man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall
the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast
thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over
the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto
honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God,
willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels
of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might
make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of
mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory"
(Romans 9:14-23).
Here the clay represents sinful mankind, sinful from
its own free will. God hardens some of mankind in the
sins they've chosen for themselves, while He has
mercy on others and gives them the spiritual power
to get free from their sins.
"Ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the
body" (Romans 8:13).
Those who call God evil for not saving everybody
think men are more important than God. They forget
how utterly infinitesimal we all are.
"Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and
are counted as the small dust of the balance . . .
All nations before him are as nothing; and they are
counted to him less than nothing, and vanity"
(Isaiah 40:15,17).
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: God's hit rate |
27 Jun 2007 04:50:43 AM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew said on Jun 26, 12:51 am:
What makes you think the Christian Bible is God's
word?
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How do you know this is what God does?
You are simply making pious assumptions and assertions to justify your
religious fixation.
How do you know it isn't just a form of hypnosis you're getting from reading
the Bible too much and taking it too seriously? This effect has been
observed with many people obsessing over works of literature. Humans can be
very emotional, impressionable and can easily become fanatical. Just look at
the Muslim extremists.
And faith is not a gift. Its a choice. We all have it as humans but we
choose how we use it. Here you are just repeating some pious statements you
read/heard from some preachers who are on the same doctrinal drug as you.
"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of
God" (Romans 10:17).
You are only quoting some out of context verses. You weren't present when
those words were said so you can't know for sure exactly what was meant.
You are making laws from mere 'sound bites' from the Bible.
You don't even know what the word of God is.
"The holy scriptures, which are able to make thee
wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ
Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15).
"By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not
of yourselves: it is the gift of God" (Ephesians
2:8).
"As many as were ordained to eternal life believed"
(Acts 13:48).
Those not chosen by God won't believe the Bible is
His Word, no matter what.
You believe that you are among a chosen few.
You are clearly displaying the behaviour of a cultist.
"If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither
will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead" (Luke 16:31).
"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore
hear them not, because ye are not of God"
(John 8:47).
Andrew said:
Free will is like a seesaw. It can go both ways.
Only if its weighted more toward the negative does
it tip to evil.
No; free will isn't determined like a seesaw;
otherwise it wouldn't be free.
So for free will to be free it has to be weighted to one side?
Is that what you're saying?
*******
(A subsequent post)
Andrew said on Jun 26, 1:28 am:
God planned all this. He designed our brains. He
put into us the measures of good and evil
tendencies. He purposely put in more evil than
good.
No; He gave us free will. We do evil when we give
in to our own lust.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Saying follow me or die after putting many flaws and evil tendencies into us
does not lead to free will.
"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of
God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when
he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed"
(James 1:13-14).
Andrew said:
He obviously wanted the majority to suffer and die
which makes him more evil than good.
Only a few will be saved.
That's true only for false gods.
Stop worshipping the false paper god.
A true Creator leaves no one behind.
In fact isn't it said in your scriptures that even when one sheep goes
astray the shepherd will lay down his life to find and bring it home?
Wake up!
Your religion is full of contradictions and pettiness. These are all clues
to its true nature. Yet you continue to sheepishly worship its false god
character just so you don't have to think for yourself.
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the
gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat;
because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,
which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find
it" (Matthew 7:13-14).
But this doesn't make God evil, for those who are
lost will be lost because of their own free-willed
sins.
It is not their will to be lost in sin. They just want to be free and live
without spiritual subjugation.
God shows His goodness in His willingness to save
some sinners.
Some?
Your God should be renamed Mr. Ten Percent.
"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while
we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"
(Romans 5:8).
We cannot say that God is unjust to not save
everybody.
You can't. You too scared of the mighty paper god.
"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness
with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will
have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will
have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So
then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that
runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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-For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this
same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might
shew my power in thee, and that my name might be
declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he
mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he
hardeneth.
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Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find
fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O
man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall
the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast
thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over
the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto
honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God,
willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels
of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might
make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of
mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory"
(Romans 9:14-23).
Here the clay represents sinful mankind, sinful from
its own free will. God hardens some of mankind in the
sins they've chosen for themselves, while He has
mercy on others and gives them the spiritual power
to get free from their sins.
"Ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the
body" (Romans 8:13).
Those who call God evil for not saving everybody
think men are more important than God. They forget
how utterly infinitesimal we all are.
Yes we know your god only cares for himself.
We have souls and we have feelings and needs but to the Christian god we are
worthless.
Consider that the spirit that God breaths into us is his own spirit.
That means we are essentially mini versions of him. That's what 'image'
means.
If we turn to evil then its his spirit part that turns bad because the rest
is just dumb flesh which he also made.
Christianity is so silly its actually quite sad.
"Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and
are counted as the small dust of the balance . . .
All nations before him are as nothing; and they are
counted to him less than nothing, and vanity"
(Isaiah 40:15,17).
There are many scriptural verses that say the opposite to what you've been
saying here.
Your Bible is a veritable contradiction factory.
Why do you preach one part of the Bible and push aside the contradicting
parts when it suits you?
This is classic fanatic behaviour.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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26 Jun 2007 05:55:20 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God ?
Micah 6:8 RSV
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My Blog - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: How did Abraham know God without a BIble??????? |
27 Jun 2007 11:22:09 AM |
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Most believers in the world do not have a Bible nor
believe in a Bible.
All "Gods", millions of them,
are created and exist only in the minds of believers. -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "duke" |
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29 Jun 2007 06:58:56 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:22:09 -0700, Libertarius
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Most believers in the world do not have a Bible nor
believe in a Bible.
IN the case of Abraham, he was the object of the bible story. He didn't need to
read about himself.
duke, American-American
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:22:09 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Most believers in the world do not have a Bible nor
believe in a Bible.
IN the case of Abraham, he was the object of the bible story. He didn't
need to
read about himself.
Those Jews who created the story obviously did.
duke, American-American
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:18:24 -0400, "L.T. David" <LTDCaplan@newsnet.ca> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:22:09 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Most believers in the world do not have a Bible nor
believe in a Bible.
IN the case of Abraham, he was the object of the bible story. He didn't
need to
read about himself.
Those Jews who created the story obviously did.
But that was not the question.
duke, American-American
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28 Jun 2007 05:49:08 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:20 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@ere17> wrote:
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
what He didn't have a king jimmy???
The same is available to everyone today.
He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God ?
Micah 6:8 RSV
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26 Jun 2007 07:54:15 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:20 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@ere17> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
Amen!
However, may I correct you just a little?
He is available today to those who SINCERELY SEEK Him.
Twenty years ago (or so), I happened to tell PRECISELY the wrong
person (my wife-at-the-time's father), a pastor with 10 degrees, that
I had had visions.
His response was, "Oh, brother!" Then he said, "if YOU, why not ME?"
I asked him, "have you sincerely SOUGHT to be that close to God that
He would come to you in your quiet times and speak to you?"
He said, without thinking, "No!"
I said, "I believe you have answered your own question."
Jesus said, "If you SEEK, you will find."
Jesus did NOT say, "if you have your finger up your nose snorting
something, and you have a needle in your arm, and you're injecting
something, and you just beat the crap out of your wife, and you just
knocked your kid across the room, and you just kicked the dog, you
will have visions."
Don't expect to have visions unless you are making the effort to seek
Him.
He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God ?
Micah 6:8 RSV
Amen.
Not one word about we must be perfect; nothing is said about us
becoming sinless, we don't have to have the Bible and TULIP and "The 4
Spiritual Laws" memorized. We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
And He will manifest Himself.
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26 Jun 2007 07:58:46 PM |
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote:
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
Amen!
....
Jesus said, "If you SEEK, you will find."
Amen again!
It's a miracle! You actually said something decent!!!!
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27 Jun 2007 12:17:32 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:58:46 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@ere17> wrote:
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote:
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
Amen!
...
Jesus said, "If you SEEK, you will find."
Amen again!
It's a miracle!
Not exactly. I believe we all have our moments. Even I have my
moments! Even you have your moments!
You actually said something decent!!!!
Yep!
:-)
So did you!
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27 Jun 2007 12:43:05 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:54:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part./\
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27 Jun 2007 08:11:26 PM |
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28 Jun 2007 08:58:18 AM |
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
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Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
I SAID originally:
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part.
And I stand behind what I said.
As long as 'you' keep on trying to remove my original wording, I will
simply add it right back in.
But not to worry-- my original posts are ARCHIVED- unlike some cowards
I could mention...
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29 Jun 2007 05:19:42 AM |
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
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That
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Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
And once again, you suffer the delusion (psychosis), that you control
the world!
john w
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
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Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
ONLY when appropriate, liar=johnnie.
I SAID originally:
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part.
And I stand behind what I said.
As long as 'you' keep on trying to remove my original wording, I will
simply add it right back in.
And once again, you suffer the delusion (psychosis), that you control
the world!
john w
And once again, 'you' are not qualified to attempt to diagnose anyone,
short bus...
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
snip
Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
ONLY when appropriate, liar=johnnie.
I SAID originally:
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part.
That's called delusion! You pretend that you know enough about
someone whom you have never met that you can tell-- over the
Internet-- that someone has never had a vision!
It's also called "envy."
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
snip
Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
ONLY when appropriate, liar=johnnie.
I SAID originally:
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part.
That's called delusion! You pretend that you know enough about
someone whom you have never met that you can tell-- over the
Internet-- that someone has never had a vision!
It's also called "envy."
No -- it's called FACING REALITY.
You're nothing special, John....... and especially considering your
previous claims that 'God speaks AUDIBLY to you, as well as the Holy
Spirit', I'd say you're a dangerous lunatic who needs shelter in a
hospital for the insane before you next try to claim 'God told you to
kill someone'.
Many insane people try that route, and end up in hospitals for the
criminally insane.
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john w
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02 Jul 2007 01:56:08 PM |
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He didn't.
There was no "Abraham". -- L.
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
snip
Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
ONLY when appropriate, liar=johnnie.
I SAID originally:
That sure lets 'you' out.
As for your 'visions', they were most likely hallucinations on your
part.
That's called delusion! You pretend that you know enough about
someone whom you have never met that you can tell-- over the
Internet-- that someone has never had a vision!
It's also called "envy."
No -- it's called FACING REALITY.
Elaine, you don't know me! You are simply living in a state of
DELUSION regarding your insane HATE of me.
You're nothing special, John...
Actually, that's a very sad thing for you to say.
Children who were once called " Retarded" children are now called
"special." or "Special needs".
You and your boyfriend Jimmy like to point out daily how "retarded"
I am. The proper terminology for that in the 21st Century would be
"special." If I have issues and I'm not "as together" as others, why
do you keep pointing that out like it's some PLAGUE?
If I have issues, then I am "a special person" with SPECIAL NEEDS.
Why do you just point at me and see an object of ridicule, scorn,
someone to libel, someone to throw rocks at?
What does that do for YOU?
..... and especially considering your
previous claims that 'God speaks AUDIBLY to you,
Again, Elaine, there have been COUNTLESS people down through history
who have said that.
You also are living in delusion in saying "I said God speaks
AUDIBLY" to me. I said it happened MANY YEARS ago.
And --- AGAIN-- my dear, you are speaking PURE hate, and pure ENVY.
as well as the Holy
Spirit', I'd say you're a dangerous lunatic
I'd say EXACTLY that about you!
As would a list of others I know.
And I don't get why you must--- why you MUST -- do this dance and
sing this song DAILY!!!
I'd think you could express your HATE and move on. But you've been
doing this nonsense for 5 YEARS now!
No let-up in sight. IT's like you can't get through your day
without expressing your intense HATE of me.
And-- again, my darling-- you aren't hurting me!
You are letting the entire PLANET know how much you HATE.
who needs shelter in a
hospital for the insane before you next try to claim 'God told you to
kill someone'.
????
I have never told anyone that "God told me to kill someone", unless
you are talking about a JOKE.
Many insane people try that route, and end up in hospitals for the
criminally insane.
Well, my darling, it's not like you haven't tried to have me
committed.
Now, just relax, and I'll try to have YOU committed!
:-)
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Elaine, you don't know me! You are simply living in a state of
DELUSION regarding your insane HATE of me.
If you're going to use the term, the CORRECT wording would be HATRED.
But no, as I corrected you numerous times before, I don't hate YOU- I
hate your disgusting lies and other insane behaviors in here.
True, we have never met in person, thanks be to God above -- but I
KNOW you; I can read you like a cheap book.
You're nothing special, John...
Actually, that's a very sad thing for you to say.
Children who were once called " Retarded" children are now called
"special." or "Special needs".
Nope -- they're called developmentally CHALLENGED.
You and your boyfriend Jimmy like to point out daily how "retarded"
I am. The proper terminology for that in the 21st Century would be
"special." If I have issues and I'm not "as together" as others, why
do you keep pointing that out like it's some PLAGUE?
OTC, we are pointing out that YOUR BEHAVIOR is like a plague. Real
developmentally challenged people cannot help being born that way.
YOUR behavior is selfish, aggravating, childish, inappropriate, and
needs constant supervision judging from the trash you keep on posting
here.
And don't forget -- many developmentally challenged people ARE under
24-7 supervision. You're not, unfortunately.
If I have issues, then I am "a special person" with SPECIAL NEEDS.
Your special need right now is correction and less attention being
paid to your attention-seeking behaviors.
Why do you just point at me and see an object of ridicule, scorn,
someone to libel, someone to throw rocks at?
What does that do for YOU?
No one, including myself, has libeled you.
You earn the scorn through your own disgusting and disruptive, immoral
behaviors.
As for throwing rocks, I've thrown none, and no one else has, either.
.... and especially considering your
previous claims that 'God speaks AUDIBLY to you,
Again, Elaine, there have been COUNTLESS people down through history
who have said that.
Yes indeed- and most of 'em proven insane when caught up with.
You also are living in delusion in saying "I said God speaks
AUDIBLY" to me. I said it happened MANY YEARS ago.
And --- AGAIN-- my dear, you are speaking PURE hate, and pure ENVY.
Hatred, no- envy, good grief NO....... WHY would I be jealous of a
porn-loving, sexually-inappropriate, lying, attention-seeking
individual such as you?
as well as the Holy
Spirit', I'd say you're a dangerous lunatic
I'd say EXACTLY that about you!
I couldn't care less what you 'say' - you're lying, as usual, and we
all know it.
I also don't make claims about the Holy Spirit talking audibly to me.
As would a list of others I know.
Sure, liar-johnnie - sure - name 'em.
Show the proof!
And I don't get why you must--- why you MUST -- do this dance and
sing this song DAILY!!!
I'd think you could express your HATE and move on. But you've been
doing this nonsense for 5 YEARS now!
No let-up in sight. IT's like you can't get through your day
without expressing your intense HATE of me.
see above responses -- no need to repeat myself...
And-- again, my darling-- you aren't hurting me!
You are letting the entire PLANET know how much you HATE.
Sure, liar-johnnie, sure-
who needs shelter in a
hospital for the insane before you next try to claim 'God told you to
kill someone'.
????
I have never told anyone that "God told me to kill someone", unless
you are talking about a JOKE.
Uh, in case you missed it, I'm talking about YOU.
Many insane people try that route, and end up in hospitals for the
criminally insane.
Well, my darling, it's not like you haven't tried to have me
committed.
No, I've done nothing of the sort, because I am intelligent enough to
know that I could never have a person Baker Act 'd. I HAVE reported
you numerous times to the Seattle FBI, however, and will continue to
do so should the need arise again.
Now, just relax, and I'll try to have YOU committed!
TRY - you'll fail.
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We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
snip
Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
And once again, you suffer the delusion (psychosis), that you control
the world!
isn't it wonderful, she does!
john w
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:54:15 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
We must be humble, we must live justly, we
must seek moments where we can act in kindness towards others.
That
snip
Can't stand to read the truth, huh?
You don't know the truth, Elaine!
And if you can snip (and you frequently do), others including me
can snip.
And once again, you suffer the delusion (psychosis), that you control
the world!
isn't it wonderful, she does!
Sure is!! Now whenever the old cretin claims I'm 'being nasty' I can
simply blame on my 'other personality'!!! LOL!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: How did Abraham know God without a BIble??????? |
30 Jun 2007 11:14:11 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:18:33 -0400, wrote:
Sure is!! Now whenever the old cretin claims I'm 'being nasty' I can
simply blame on my 'other personality'!!! LOL!
You should blame it on your leader, daughter of satan.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: How did Abraham know God without a BIble??????? |
26 Jun 2007 09:36:13 PM |
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john w <johnw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:20 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@ere17> wrote:
=A9 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post=
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
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Amen!=20
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However, may I correct you just a little?
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He is available today to those who SINCERELY SEEK Him.
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Twenty years ago (or so), I happened to tell PRECISELY the wrong
person (my wife-at-the-time's father), a pastor with 10 degrees, that
I had had visions.
and we know what kind you have papa porn, we know, visions of sugar plums=
dancing in=20
your head...
His response was, "Oh, brother!" Then he said, "if YOU, why not ME?"
u b crazy, he b a scholar.
I asked him, "have you sincerely SOUGHT to be that close to God that
like you papa porn, an author of porn with over 50 sex partners!
He would come to you in your quiet times and speak to you?"
not sure, but we think demons perhaps?
He said, without thinking, "No!"
he was talking with a crazy, and I'll bet it wasn't by his choice!
I said, "I believe you have answered your own question."
yes, a crazy weirdo
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: How did Abraham know God without a BIble??????? |
27 Jun 2007 12:16:27 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:36:13 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfeet.com> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
john w <johnw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:55:20 +1000, "Mark T" <moi@ere17> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
As people read the Bible, God will cause those He
chooses to believe it is His Word; He will grant
them the gift of faith.
How did Abraham, the father of Faith, know God without a BIble???????
The same is available to everyone today.
Amen!
However, may I correct you just a little?
He is available today to those who SINCERELY SEEK Him.
Twenty years ago (or so), I happened to tell PRECISELY the wrong
person (my wife-at-the-time's father), a pastor with 10 degrees, that
I had had visions.
and we know what kind you have papa porn, we know, visions of sugar plums dancing in
your head...
His response was, "Oh, brother!" Then he said, "if YOU, why not ME?"
u b crazy, he b a scholar.
I asked him, "have you sincerely SOUGHT to be that close to God that
like you papa porn, an author of porn with over 50 sex partners!
I believe, Crazy Jimmy the Sadistic Psycho, God focuses on different
things than you!
;-)
He would come to you in your quiet times and speak to you?"
not sure, but we think demons perhaps?
He said, without thinking, "No!"
he was talking with a crazy, and I'll bet it wasn't by his choice!
I said, "I believe you have answered your own question."
yes, a crazy weirdo
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: How did Abraham know God without a BIble??????? |
27 Jun 2007 12:44:18 PM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:16:27 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I believe, Crazy Jimmy the Sadistic Psycho, God focuses on different
things than you!
Listen up, liar-johnnie- if 'u' don't like being called a 'thing' or
an 'it'- what makes you think you can call Ujie a 'thing'?
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