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Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:39:55 GMT,
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Brent Norman <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind.
Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING to do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities.
Only social retards as dumb as YOU and you fellow mindless
bigots are, wouldn't be able to figure that out.
Segregationists and homophobes: 2 identically-sociopathic
groups of losers, separated only by 4 decades of time. SAME
abject stupidity.
How characteristic of the under-educated homosexual that
appears to be the norm in APH today; unable to offer a logical
argument he resorts to name calling.
Of course, you stripped the most important point from that post ...
( ...which I've restored, above, in its original context... )
... in order to only answer the part you have a hope in hell of
answering. Here it is for your convenience, the portion that came
before:
" Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
That is as patently a STUPID thing to say as it would be if you
were to have said the same thing about all left-handed people. Or
people who happen to be brunettes. (You really LOVE to make a
complete ***** of yourself, don't you?)
Where homosexuality to disappear from the earth in the next instant
mankind would not be effected in any way. You are superfluous, an
excess, a perversion an unneeded mistake.
Wrong again. Homosexuality is simply a variation of NORMALCY.
Just as handedness and hair color is. However, bigots like you have
to LEARN to be hateful sociopaths and bottom-feeders of society.
Making you and your ilk a TRUE perversion. And since you contri-
bute nothing but negativity to society, if all bigotry were to end
overnight, the bigots would become exponentially-BETTER people,
and society as a whole would be enormously ENHANCED.
As I pointed out before, homosexuals:
...serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme of
mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING do do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities."
You include a behavioral characteristic, sexual orientation, in with
immutable ones and try to claim that they are all the same. Another
homosexual LIE.
Wrong, loser. Since I'm not gay, I can't be telling a "homosex-
ual lie." But that's fine, because i have YET to ever SEE a "homo-
sexual lie." Unless it is the sort of lies that morons like *you* so
desperately tell ABOUT homosexuals. (And make total schmucks
of yourselfves in the process.)
Do you regard your OWN sexual orientation to be immutable?
Could YOU, realistically speaking, change to become homosex-
ual? If you're honest, you'll admit that your sexual orientation IS
pragmatically immutable. And guess what? The SAME is true for
the homosexuals. So do yourself a great big favor and grow up!
Stop being a complete JERK over TRIVIALITIES that are abso-
lutely **none** of your business. Do something CONSTRUCTIVE
with your time. Being a moronic and hateful assh*le benefits NO
one. Least of all yourself, butcause all that gets you is being
laughed-at by all SENSIBLE people.
Do you have no honor at all?
ALL egalitarians are honorable people. That goes right along
with BEING a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian who RESPECTS
the personal liberties of others, and DEFENDS them against mindless
and hateful attacks by loathsome bigots.
Is the "right" to engage in homosexuality promiscuity so
important to you that you must exhibit dishonorable
behavior in your frantic defense of the indefensible?
(1) Being DEDICATED to defending the personal of liberties
is not a "frantic" action. It is a carefully-deliberated
and well-organized action.
(2) In case you hadn't noticed, the RIGHT of all of-age
consenting adults in America, regardless of their sexual
orientation, to share sex in private, any way that they
choose, became officially the LAW OF THE LAND just
over a year ago, in America. You moronic busybodies
LOST your nonsensical battle to be total schmucks in
that regard, BIG-time!
(3) The only thing that's "dishonorable" in this post is YOUR
clear-cut proof of your own socially-retardedness and
ignorant bigotry. You are totally without excuse.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 11:26:54 AM |
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Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Brent Norman <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ignorant Bigot, "Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote:
Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind.
Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING to do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities.
Only social retards as dumb as YOU and you fellow mindless
bigots are, wouldn't be able to figure that out.
Segregationists and homophobes: 2 identically-sociopathic
groups of losers, separated only by 4 decades of time. SAME
abject stupidity.
How characteristic of the under-educated homosexual that
appears to be the norm in APH today; unable to offer a logical
argument he resorts to name calling.
Of course, you stripped the most important point from that post ...
( ...which I've restored, above, in its original context... )
... in order to only answer the part you have a hope in hell of
answering. Here it is for your convenience, the portion that came
before:
" Wrong. They serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme
of mankind" that everyone else does.
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
What??? You HAVE to have children to have served a useful purpose in your
life??? Homosexuals have contributed EVERYTHING heterosexuals have
contributed to the world in terms of EVERYTHING except co-create children
with a spouse.
That is as patently a STUPID thing to say as it would be if you
were to have said the same thing about all left-handed people. Or
people who happen to be brunettes. (You really LOVE to make a
complete ***** of yourself, don't you?)
Where homosexuality to disappear from the earth in the next instant
mankind would not be effected in any way. You are superfluous, an
excess, a perversion an unneeded mistake.
Wrong again. Homosexuality is simply a variation of NORMALCY.
Just as handedness and hair color is. However, bigots like you have
to LEARN to be hateful sociopaths and bottom-feeders of society.
Making you and your ilk a TRUE perversion. And since you contri-
bute nothing but negativity to society, if all bigotry were to end
overnight, the bigots would become exponentially-BETTER people,
and society as a whole would be enormously ENHANCED.
As I pointed out before, homosexuals:
...serve precisely the SAME purpose in the "scheme of
mankind" that everyone else does.
Why?
Because TRIVIALITIES -- such as a person's race, ethnicity,
sexual orientation, handedness, hair color, etc., etc. -- have
absolutely NOTHING do do with a person's talents, work ethic,
ambition, and capabilities."
You include a behavioral characteristic, sexual orientation, in with
immutable ones and try to claim that they are all the same. Another
homosexual LIE.
Wrong, loser. Since I'm not gay, I can't be telling a "homosex-
ual lie." But that's fine, because i have YET to ever SEE a "homo-
sexual lie." Unless it is the sort of lies that morons like *you* so
desperately tell ABOUT homosexuals. (And make total schmucks
of yourselfves in the process.)
Do you regard your OWN sexual orientation to be immutable?
Could YOU, realistically speaking, change to become homosex-
ual? If you're honest, you'll admit that your sexual orientation IS
pragmatically immutable. And guess what? The SAME is true for
the homosexuals. So do yourself a great big favor and grow up!
Stop being a complete JERK over TRIVIALITIES that are abso-
lutely **none** of your business. Do something CONSTRUCTIVE
with your time. Being a moronic and hateful assh*le benefits NO
one. Least of all yourself, butcause all that gets you is being
laughed-at by all SENSIBLE people.
Do you have no honor at all?
ALL egalitarians are honorable people. That goes right along
with BEING a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian who RESPECTS
the personal liberties of others, and DEFENDS them against mindless
and hateful attacks by loathsome bigots.
Is the "right" to engage in homosexuality promiscuity so
important to you that you must exhibit dishonorable
behavior in your frantic defense of the indefensible?
(1) Being DEDICATED to defending the personal of liberties
is not a "frantic" action. It is a carefully-deliberated
and well-organized action.
(2) In case you hadn't noticed, the RIGHT of all of-age
consenting adults in America, regardless of their sexual
orientation, to share sex in private, any way that they
choose, became officially the LAW OF THE LAND just
over a year ago, in America. You moronic busybodies
LOST your nonsensical battle to be total schmucks in
that regard, BIG-time!
(3) The only thing that's "dishonorable" in this post is YOUR
clear-cut proof of your own socially-retardedness and
ignorant bigotry. You are totally without excuse.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 11:36:00 AM |
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:26:54 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
What??? You HAVE to have children to have served a useful purpose in your
life??? Homosexuals have contributed EVERYTHING heterosexuals have
contributed to the world in terms of EVERYTHING except co-create children
with a spouse.
And except morality.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 11:46:38 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:26:54 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
What??? You HAVE to have children to have served a useful purpose in
your
life??? Homosexuals have contributed EVERYTHING heterosexuals have
contributed to the world in terms of EVERYTHING except co-create children
with a spouse.
And except morality.
I suspect you're a bigot who has, to your personal relief, found you own
personal bigotry line up with the ancient Jews (of which Paul was a zealous
member) therefore you can post such a myopic charge.
We're ALL immoral. You'll NEVER prove homosexuality is a choice. However,
the day WILL come that it WILL be proven to be as natural as
left-handedness. Also, the charge that some level that it is unnatural
(Paul is included) is wrong. Paul couldn't know any better. HE has an
excuse for his views. There are homosexual animals AND animals do not make
MORAL choices, Dave.
Required reading for Dave: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and
Natural Diversity, by Bruce Bagemihl
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 12:54:05 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:46:38 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qutqe05jn7p4iaa597985r29n5q1ct39ef@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:26:54 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
WRONG! Homosexuals serve NO USEFUL PURPOSE in the
scheme of mankind.
What??? You HAVE to have children to have served a useful purpose in
your
life??? Homosexuals have contributed EVERYTHING heterosexuals have
contributed to the world in terms of EVERYTHING except co-create children
with a spouse.
And except morality.
I suspect you're a bigot who has, to your personal relief, found you own
personal bigotry line up with the ancient Jews (of which Paul was a zealous
member) therefore you can post such a myopic charge.
We're ALL immoral. You'll NEVER prove homosexuality is a choice.
I don't have to. I'm not the one claiming something
that is unnatural is genetic, nor is anyone going to
fall for your pathetic attempt to shift the burden of
proof.
However,
the day WILL come that it WILL be proven to be as natural as
left-handedness.
It wouldn't matter. Birth defects are genetic. Does
that make them a good thing?
Also, the charge that some level that it is unnatural
(Paul is included) is wrong.
Prove it. You have two people whose parts weren't made
for each other, claiming what they're doing is natural.
That's about as stupid as it gets.
He's an outtie, she's an innie. Let's see... should
the two outties go together and leave the innie
standing there? I don't think so. It isn't rocket
science as to which two go together.
Paul couldn't know any better. HE has an excuse for his views.
Yea, gee, there was no one gay back then, huh?
And btw, if that's your claim, then you have only
proven the belief that it is a choice. If it wasn't
known about then, then it didn't exist then. This is
not some deep scientific mystery we're talking about
here. This is two guys prancing off together. It's
not a hidden thing and so you are aware now, since you
obviously weren't, homosexual acts were well accepted
in Paul's time, by more than one nation and it was well
known about, so it is you who is without excuse, as
Paul said.
There are homosexual animals AND animals do not make
MORAL choices, Dave.
You'd have to prove that there are "homosexual animals"
and if an animal engages in a homosexual act, that does
not make it a homosexual animal. But if it were, that
would only prove the downfall of the world, which has
affected all of the elements of the world. This is no
surprise.
And btw, since you base your opinion of what is moral
on what animals do and claim that they do not make
moral judgments, you make your own argument out to be
foolish. If animals do not make moral judgments, then
their actions cannot speak one way or the other, as to
what is moral. So why mention them, as if they somehow
prove something in favor of your argument? You only
condemn your own basis of morality.
Required reading for Dave: Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and
Natural Diversity, by Bruce Bagemihl
Required reading for you...
Romans 1:16-32
16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for
it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that
believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall
live by faith.
18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who
hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest
in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation
of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the
things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified
him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain
in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was
darkened.
22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became
fools,
23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves:
25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural
use into that which is against nature:
27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use
of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
which was meet.
28) And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate
mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy,
murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud,
boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to
parents,
31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without
natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which
commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the
same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 01:05:27 PM |
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Dave, I've read the bible over 7 times. Now go read the book.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 01:10:14 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:27 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Dave, I've read the bible over 7 times. Now go read the book.
I see that you were unable to respond to the points
made.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 01:28:18 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:27 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Dave, I've read the bible over 7 times. Now go read the book.
I see that you were unable to respond to the points
made.
Not unable but unwilling to take the time to fight back and forth with one
so self righteous and ignorant as you are, Dave.... truly. As insulting as
that is it's the truth. Sorry.
All I can say is read the book. It's NOT just about sexual activities but
there are pair BANDINGS also, some for lifetime. If you don't want to take
the time to read it, perhaps you can look up comments on it on the net by
people who are not standing in positive or negative judgment. You point to
the bible, a book with proven errancy and inaccuracies, as YOUR proof that
homosexuality is a sin and NOT a choice. Believing something is NOT proof.
However, when I say there is homosexuality in nature, you opt out with
something about birth defects (obnoxious).
Also, I recall the time when I told you of studies done on transsexuals,
your response was to go looking for the "religious apologists" best reply to
SCIENCE. That response was that they (male-to-female transsexuals) were on
female hormones which shrunk the hypothalamus (absurdity) therefore the
science is null. At that point, I crossed you out (at least for now) as
unreachable. Female hormones DON'T change the brain's physical
characteristics AFTER birth. All female hormones can do to an apparent male
is to feminize his outward features. Therefore, when SCIENCE is shown to
you, you come back like MOST religious fundamentalist bigot is some smoke
screen bs to continue to believe as you do.
I CAN say, with clear conscience, that I have looked at the issue of
homosexuality will FULL openness to believe what is true no matter what. I
believe it is better to accept a painful truth rather than a comfortable lie
.. I cannot see the same in anything you've EVER responded to me concerning
this issue.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
08 Jul 2004 01:49:29 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:28:18 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kf3re0len208qqiss994oc5op9aitdae6k@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 13:05:27 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Dave, I've read the bible over 7 times. Now go read the book.
I see that you were unable to respond to the points
made.
Not unable but unwilling to take the time to fight back and forth with one
so self righteous and ignorant as you are, Dave.... truly. As insulting as
that is it's the truth. Sorry.
And yet, you took the time to launch a volley of
insults. no, it isn't that you are unwilling to take
the time to respond. It's that you are unable to.
All I can say is read the book. It's NOT just about sexual activities but
there are pair BANDINGS also, some for lifetime.
Doing something for life, does not mean you are doing
the RIGHT thing for life.
Also, I recall the time when I told you of studies done on transsexuals,
your response was to go looking for the "religious apologists" best reply to
SCIENCE. That response was that they (male-to-female transsexuals) were on
female hormones which shrunk the hypothalamus (absurdity) therefore the
science is null.
You have me confused with someone else.
I CAN say, with clear conscience, that I have looked at the issue of
homosexuality will FULL openness to believe what is true no matter what.
You seem to think that what people do, means that what
people do is good. You also think that if someone
believes that something is natural for them, that that
makes it natural for them. You also think that if you
could prove something genetic, that automatically makes
it a good thing, instead of an aberration. All three
of those assumptions on your part, are logical
fallacies.
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to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
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Jude & Sandra wrote:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
Dave is a closeminded, narrowminded, bigoted,
arrogant, fool. No idea, no proof, no research,
no authority is pointed enough to penetrate the
shields he has erected to preserve his inane
ideas. He is doomed to go through the rest of his
life out of step with reality and bleating
furiously at the rest of humanity to follow his
path of fear and hatred.
Don't bother to try to discuss anything with him;
just pity him.
Pangur
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10 Jul 2004 10:59:57 AM |
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"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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Jude & Sandra wrote:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
Dave is a closeminded, narrowminded, bigoted,
arrogant, fool. No idea, no proof, no research,
no authority is pointed enough to penetrate the
shields he has erected to preserve his inane
ideas. He is doomed to go through the rest of his
life out of step with reality and bleating
furiously at the rest of humanity to follow his
path of fear and hatred.
Don't bother to try to discuss anything with him;
just pity him.
Pangur
I learned this from debating him on quite a few issues concerning the
inerrancy of the bible. He is COMPLETELY closed off, to which he happily
agrees because he thinks he is of the "elect." To debate with him is to
debate with a wall.... what's the use???
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11 Jul 2004 07:36:30 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:59:57 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:sFnHc.218478$Gx4.22220@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Jude & Sandra wrote:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
Dave is a closeminded, narrowminded, bigoted,
arrogant, fool. No idea, no proof, no research,
no authority is pointed enough to penetrate the
shields he has erected to preserve his inane
ideas. He is doomed to go through the rest of his
life out of step with reality and bleating
furiously at the rest of humanity to follow his
path of fear and hatred.
Don't bother to try to discuss anything with him;
just pity him.
Pangur
I learned this from debating him on quite a few issues concerning the
inerrancy of the bible. He is COMPLETELY closed off, to which he happily
agrees because he thinks he is of the "elect." To debate with him is to
debate with a wall.... what's the use???
I would talk about "proof" if I were you. You never
seem to bring any to the table, after repeated claims.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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11 Jul 2004 09:13:28 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:59:57 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
news:sFnHc.218478$Gx4.22220@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Jude & Sandra wrote:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
Dave is a closeminded, narrowminded, bigoted,
arrogant, fool. No idea, no proof, no research,
no authority is pointed enough to penetrate the
shields he has erected to preserve his inane
ideas. He is doomed to go through the rest of his
life out of step with reality and bleating
furiously at the rest of humanity to follow his
path of fear and hatred.
Don't bother to try to discuss anything with him;
just pity him.
Pangur
I learned this from debating him on quite a few issues concerning the
inerrancy of the bible. He is COMPLETELY closed off, to which he happily
agrees because he thinks he is of the "elect." To debate with him is to
debate with a wall.... what's the use???
I would talk about "proof" if I were you. You never
seem to bring any to the table, after repeated claims.
Either you have a poor memory or you're just plain lying.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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08 Jul 2004 03:21:16 PM |
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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09 Jul 2004 07:49:23 PM |
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"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
FP......
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10 Jul 2004 08:59:26 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> posted thusly:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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10 Jul 2004 03:54:24 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> posted thusly:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all
the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
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And your ignorance and small-mindedness doesn't prove is isn't ok.
FP.....
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11 Jul 2004 07:28:52 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:54:24 -0500, "Flower Power"
<WomansChoice@thisNG.com> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bhtve0lpu8qju6srpkbl241a5h0gupp2q4@4ax.com...
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> posted thusly:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all
the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
==========================
And your ignorance and small-mindedness doesn't prove is isn't ok.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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10 Jul 2004 10:44:39 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> posted thusly:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all
the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
Throwing misinterpreted biblical quotations at us, does not prove that
homosexuality is not okay either. Either way, if you believe that
homosexuality is wrong, that is your prerogative. Don't be a homosexual.
Since you aren't, that is not a problem at all, in fact, you don't even
have to think about it, and have no choice in the matter. Claiming a
no-fault virtue is by no means assurance to heaven.
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10 Jul 2004 03:57:45 PM |
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"Brent Norman" <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bhtve0lpu8qju6srpkbl241a5h0gupp2q4@4ax.com...
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> posted thusly:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with
HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all
the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God
of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values
down
other people's throats.
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
Throwing misinterpreted biblical quotations at us, does not prove that
homosexuality is not okay either. Either way, if you believe that
homosexuality is wrong, that is your prerogative. Don't be a homosexual.
Since you aren't, that is not a problem at all, in fact, you don't even
have to think about it, and have no choice in the matter. Claiming a
no-fault virtue is by no means assurance to heaven.
===========================
The religious fundies believe it's a CHOICE. That all gays can simply
change their minds, get married to someone of the opposite sex, push out a
few babies and live happily ever after. How absurd! I'm straight and I had
NO CHOICE. The boys started looking good as soon as I was a pre-teen. Girls
did not attract me at all. There was NO CHOICE involved.
FP..............
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10 Jul 2004 12:09:42 PM |
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Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote:
Throwing insults at me, does not prove that
homosexuality is okay.
Screeching your fear and hatred does not prove that it's wrong.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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10 Jul 2004 12:11:12 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> wrote:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
You're saying that homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with
the rape of boys and young men as they did for decades (and doubtless
still do) in the Catholic churches in the US. You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
How homosexual of you...
--
"Injustice arises when equals are treated unequally, and when unequals
are treated equally." -Aristotle, 350 BC
FP......
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10 Jul 2004 10:38:29 AM |
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"Johnathan A." <japple@privacy.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:49:23 -0500, "Flower Power"
<Freedom@this-time.net> wrote:
"IMPOSTER Pastor Dave" filled with HATE<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com>
spewed venom in message
news:g4bre0dahsoq6894joh4pdv23u6ajsc3fs@4ax.com...
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:08:30 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Have it your way, Dave. You won.... in your own mind. Feel better?
And once again, you prove that you cannot dispute the
points made. So why do you come here and argue that
homosexuality is okay, when you cannot back up that
claim, when it's challenged?
======================
Next you'll be preaching to us to start hunting down and murdering all
the
people whose sex lives you disagree with. All in the name of your God of
course. If you don't like homosexuals then stay away from them. Stop
trying to cram your mindless hate-filled so-called Christian values down
other people's throats.
You're saying that homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with
the rape of boys and young men as they did for decades (and doubtless
still do) in the Catholic churches in the US.
I don't believe he/she was saying that at all. If Catholicism, and society
in general, didn't villify homosexuals, they wouldn't be so dysfunctional.
You wouldn't have young Catholics, realizing that they are gay, deciding to
hide under the veil of enforced celibacy (thereby not being compelled to
marry, avoiding all of the questions that come to young men that aren't
married and/or dating). Once you start living one deception, others are
much easier to live with. The other question that arises with these priests
is also, were their crimes more about convenience and opportunity than pure
desire? They couldn't very well get their sexual outlet from typical gay
male venues, for fear of being identified as gay, and then there'd be
witnesses. However, the young male victims of abuse can be easily coerced
into silence, due to the shame associated with homosexuality and confirmed
through their religious doctrine.
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge. Even in North America, less than 10% of
homosexuals are affected by HIV. If anything, if all homosexuals were to
become heterosexual, including that less than 10%, then the only spread of
HIV would be heterosexual. Or, if all homosexuals were to disappear
tomorrow, then the ONLY spread of HIV would be heterosexual, and it would
continue unabated.
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11 Jul 2004 07:27:51 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:29 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> posted thusly:
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge.
"Shifting toward". So it didn't get spread from there,
it spread by homosexuals. Thanks a bunch!
Anybody ever notice that during an AIDS event, what you
see most of, is gays? They know damn well their
lifestyle spreads that disease.
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thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Brent Norman" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 09:50:12 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:efc2f05kmm714d3l3dk45r65ajqub87tvn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:29 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> posted thusly:
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge.
"Shifting toward". So it didn't get spread from there,
it spread by homosexuals. Thanks a bunch!
Why do you think that heterosexual transmission is increasing in developed
countries? It's complacency.
As a heterosexual, believing that your "lifestyle" is not conducive to
becoming infected, gives a false sense of security.
One night stands and only worrying about pregnancy contribute greatly. It's
the "only gays are affected by that, I don't have to worry" attitude that is
helping this happen.
As for where AIDS "spread from". It is all a matter of chance. If AIDS had
initially been propagated amongst a promiscuous "free-love-type" hetero
population, we would now be talking about how it "spread" to a gay male
population.
Anybody ever notice that during an AIDS event, what you
see most of, is gays? They know damn well their
lifestyle spreads that disease.
Duhh! Of course. They don't have a "lifestyle" anyway. If their
"lifestyle" spreads the disease, why are less than 10% (between 4.8%-10%) of
homosexual men infected? Could it be *gasp* that in North America anyway,
HIV started out in a *busy* gay male population, making it initially a
condition that was mostly affecting a gay male population? Those gays at an
"AIDS event" are there because they care. If/when a cure is found for AIDS,
everyone, straight and gay who are affected will benefit. Even people who
are not personally affected by AIDS will benefit in some way. So go ahead
and snicker because some people care. I go to and support breast cancer
events, even though I am not personally affected by any of those, nor is
anyone I know. (Especially since breast cancer is *mostly* a women's issue).
Doesn't mean that I have breast cancer, but I am sensitive to the fact that
other people are going through it.
.
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 10:55:31 AM |
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"Brent Norman" <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EscIc.33$U891.30@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:efc2f05kmm714d3l3dk45r65ajqub87tvn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:29 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> posted thusly:
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge.
"Shifting toward". So it didn't get spread from there,
it spread by homosexuals. Thanks a bunch!
Why do you think that heterosexual transmission is increasing in developed
countries? It's complacency.
As a heterosexual, believing that your "lifestyle" is not conducive to
becoming infected, gives a false sense of security.
One night stands and only worrying about pregnancy contribute greatly.
It's
the "only gays are affected by that, I don't have to worry" attitude that
is
helping this happen.
As for where AIDS "spread from". It is all a matter of chance. If AIDS
had
initially been propagated amongst a promiscuous "free-love-type" hetero
population, we would now be talking about how it "spread" to a gay male
population.
Heck, no, because most don't care. In fact, the reason why nothing was done
for SO long WAS because it was thought to be a "gay" disease. So much for
the loving heterosexual religious bigot's "we don't hate the sinner just the
sin" lie.
Anybody ever notice that during an AIDS event, what you
see most of, is gays? They know damn well their
lifestyle spreads that disease.
Duhh! Of course. They don't have a "lifestyle" anyway. If their
"lifestyle" spreads the disease, why are less than 10% (between 4.8%-10%)
of
homosexual men infected? Could it be *gasp* that in North America anyway,
HIV started out in a *busy* gay male population, making it initially a
condition that was mostly affecting a gay male population? Those gays at
an
"AIDS event" are there because they care. If/when a cure is found for
AIDS,
everyone, straight and gay who are affected will benefit. Even people who
are not personally affected by AIDS will benefit in some way. So go ahead
and snicker because some people care. I go to and support breast cancer
events, even though I am not personally affected by any of those, nor is
anyone I know. (Especially since breast cancer is *mostly* a women's
issue).
Doesn't mean that I have breast cancer, but I am sensitive to the fact
that
other people are going through it.
.
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 10:55:41 AM |
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"Brent Norman" <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EscIc.33$U891.30@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:efc2f05kmm714d3l3dk45r65ajqub87tvn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:29 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> posted thusly:
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge.
"Shifting toward". So it didn't get spread from there,
it spread by homosexuals. Thanks a bunch!
Why do you think that heterosexual transmission is increasing in developed
countries? It's complacency.
As a heterosexual, believing that your "lifestyle" is not conducive to
becoming infected, gives a false sense of security.
One night stands and only worrying about pregnancy contribute greatly.
It's
the "only gays are affected by that, I don't have to worry" attitude that
is
helping this happen.
As for where AIDS "spread from". It is all a matter of chance. If AIDS
had
initially been propagated amongst a promiscuous "free-love-type" hetero
population, we would now be talking about how it "spread" to a gay male
population.
Heck, no, because most don't care. In fact, the reason why nothing was done
for SO long WAS because it was thought to be a "gay" disease. So much for
the loving heterosexual religious bigot's "we don't hate the sinner just the
sin" lie.
Anybody ever notice that during an AIDS event, what you
see most of, is gays? They know damn well their
lifestyle spreads that disease.
Duhh! Of course. They don't have a "lifestyle" anyway. If their
"lifestyle" spreads the disease, why are less than 10% (between 4.8%-10%)
of
homosexual men infected? Could it be *gasp* that in North America anyway,
HIV started out in a *busy* gay male population, making it initially a
condition that was mostly affecting a gay male population? Those gays at
an
"AIDS event" are there because they care. If/when a cure is found for
AIDS,
everyone, straight and gay who are affected will benefit. Even people who
are not personally affected by AIDS will benefit in some way. So go ahead
and snicker because some people care. I go to and support breast cancer
events, even though I am not personally affected by any of those, nor is
anyone I know. (Especially since breast cancer is *mostly* a women's
issue).
Doesn't mean that I have breast cancer, but I am sensitive to the fact
that
other people are going through it.
.
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| User: "Jude & Sandra" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 10:30:44 AM |
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"Brent Norman" <nelliganemile@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EscIc.33$U891.30@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:efc2f05kmm714d3l3dk45r65ajqub87tvn@4ax.com...
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:29 GMT, "Brent Norman"
<nelliganemile@hotmail.com> posted thusly:
You're saying that
homosexuals should be allowed to continue on with their sexual
promiscuity which has resulted in their being the No.1 vector of
HIV/AIDS in the US every year for the last 20+ years. That's what
you're saying isn't it. That homosexual should be allowed to continue
on unabated as a clear and present danger in our society with no
consequence or responsibility what so ever for the damage that they
do.
Since the trend is shifting toward heterosexual transmission in the
developed world (and is already so in lesser developed countries), your
point is losing its edge.
"Shifting toward". So it didn't get spread from there,
it spread by homosexuals. Thanks a bunch!
Why do you think that heterosexual transmission is increasing in developed
countries? It's complacency.
As a heterosexual, believing that your "lifestyle" is not conducive to
becoming infected, gives a false sense of security.
One night stands and only worrying about pregnancy contribute greatly.
It's
the "only gays are affected by that, I don't have to worry" attitude that
is
helping this happen.
As for where AIDS "spread from". It is all a matter of chance. If AIDS
had
initially been propagated amongst a promiscuous "free-love-type" hetero
population, we would now be talking about how it "spread" to a gay male
population.
Heck, no, because most don't care. In fact, the reason why nothing was done
for SO long WAS because it was thought to be a "gay" disease. So much for
the loving heterosexuals (we don't hate the sinner just the sin lie).
Anybody ever notice that during an AIDS event, what you
see most of, is gays? They know damn well their
lifestyle spreads that disease.
Duhh! Of course. They don't have a "lifestyle" anyway. If their
"lifestyle" spreads the disease, why are less than 10% (between 4.8%-10%)
of
homosexual men infected? Could it be *gasp* that in North America anyway,
HIV started out in a *busy* gay male population, making it initially a
condition that was mostly affecting a gay male population? Those gays at
an
"AIDS event" are there because they care. If/when a cure is found for
AIDS,
everyone, straight and gay who are affected will benefit. Even people who
are not personally affected by AIDS will benefit in some way. So go ahead
and snicker because some people care. I go to and support breast cancer
events, even though I am not personally affected by any of those, nor is
anyone I know. (Especially since breast cancer is *mostly* a women's
issue).
Doesn't mean that I have breast cancer, but I am sensitive to the fact
that
other people are going through it.
.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexuals serve no purpose in the scheme of mankind - further proof |
11 Jul 2004 11:35:14 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 10:30:44 -0500, "Jude & Sandra"
<Judsan@somewhere.usa> posted thusly:
Heck, no, because most don't care. In fact, the reason why nothing was done
for SO long WAS because it was thought to be a "gay" disease. So much for
the loving heterosexuals (we don't hate the sinner just the sin lie).
It was a gay disease. You can try to deny the facts
all you want, but that's who spread it and then
introduced it into heterosexual society, via the
bisexual. If it weren't for gays, the problem wouldn't
exist anymore. That's a matter of history. If you
want to get upset, then point your finger where it
belongs.
An AIDS car wash was held outside my secular job
yesterday. Aside from some kids, it was all
homosexuals participating. Think maybe they're feeling
guilty?
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
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