Religions > Bible > Re: Is repentance still possible ? Where does a repentant sinner go ?
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10 Jun 2005 06:54:32 PM |
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Re: Is repentance still possible ? Where does a repentant sinner go ? |
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:46:17 -0500, "iSod"
<sigman@endoftheworld.com> spake thusly:
I understand what you are saying, I spent 5 years
looking for a church. What finally moved me was
the amount of money and time spent on setting
up missionaries overseas, that the church
supports 100%.
And yet, there are so many in need here in the U.S.
With all due respect, churches like that are no better
than our own government sending our money
overseas, feeding people and building up other
countries, while our own people starve.
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Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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| User: "iSod" |
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| Title: Re: Is repentance still possible ? Where does a repentant sinner go ? |
10 Jun 2005 07:00:00 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:46:17 -0500, "iSod"
<sigman@endoftheworld.com> spake thusly:
I understand what you are saying, I spent 5 years
looking for a church. What finally moved me was
the amount of money and time spent on setting
up missionaries overseas, that the church
supports 100%.
And yet, there are so many in need here in the U.S.
With all due respect, churches like that are no better
than our own government sending our money
overseas, feeding people and building up other
countries, while our own people starve.
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
I'm sorry, but why did you jump to the conclusion they don't do a lot of
work here? I mentioned the overseas missionaries - that does not mean much
work has not been done here. This church, which began in 1950, has spawned
many Baptist churches around the country.
A couple of decades ago, a member moved and called back to Chicago to tell
the pastor there were not Bible believing churches in the area. The pastor
didn't really believe her, so he went for a visit and found out she was
correct. So, the church started one there and today that Baptist Church is
the largest church in the county of any denomination.
Please have a listen to the sermons and let me know what you think.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Is repentance still possible ? Where does a repentant sinner go ? |
10 Jun 2005 08:41:36 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:00:00 -0500, "iSod"
<sigman@endoftheworld.com> spake thusly:
I understand what you are saying, I spent 5 years
looking for a church. What finally moved me was
the amount of money and time spent on setting
up missionaries overseas, that the church
supports 100%.
And yet, there are so many in need here in the U.S.
With all due respect, churches like that are no better
than our own government sending our money
overseas, feeding people and building up other
countries, while our own people starve.
I'm sorry, but why did you jump to the conclusion
they don't do a lot of work here? I mentioned
the overseas missionaries - that does not mean
much work has not been done here. This church,
which began in 1950, has spawned many Baptist
churches around the country.
Spawning Baptist churches does not automatically
mean taking care of those in need. And it was you
who mentioned the overseas missions, in response
to someone and you said that what moved you was
the amount of money spent on overseas missions.
Thus, my response. I just noted that your immediate
response was about overseas missions. Maybe your
church isn't like what I'm describing and about to
describe further. I certainly hope not, brother. So
I'll call it a general statement about the sad state
of churches and their hypocrisy today in this country.
You see, I would be put off by that, personally.
Where is the money spent on these shores
and why isn't that advertised? Simple. I can
guarantee that the amounts don't compare.
And while the churches claim to be giving, go live
overseas and I'm sure they'll send you money and
Bibles and other things. Be a member of that same
church and tell someone you're in need and they'll
most likely say, "Okay, we'll pray for you". They are
no better than the Pharisees, who loved to look
good and didn't lift a finger themselves, to help.
The "Christians" today like to throw a bit of money
in the pot, so they can go home and feel good,
figuring that they helped some poor folks, when
in reality, they step over them to get to church.
"But if any provide not for his own, and especially
for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith,
and is worse than an infidel." - 1 Timothy 5:8
And let me ask you... How many churches in other
countries, that are doing fine, do you think are
sending money here?
Oh, but this is America and there's lots of money
here, you might say. Really? Then why do I see
so many homeless people on the streets?
This church gives almost zero to overseas missions.
We have nothing against people overseas, but the
way we figure it, is that we'll let the churches
overseas take care of those overseas and then,
if it can be demonstrated that that church has
no means of getting help, then and only then
will we help.
The first thing, is to take care of our own and
that is Biblical (see 1 Timothy 5:8, quoted above).
Then, when we have over, we take care of other
churches, should they be in need. But they will
be in this country first. Not that we have any real
money, but we try to do with what we have. And
I personally do not collect any salary at all. I am
not boasting. I am just saying, I have never made
a dime off of the Gospel. Certainly "the workman
is worthy of his meat", but we do not have enough
money for that. So every penny goes out.
Keep the money in this country. There are plenty
of hungry people here, who need help.
Matthew 25:34-40
34) Then shall the King say unto them on his
right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father,
inherit the kingdom prepared for you from
the foundation of the world:
35) For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a
stranger, and ye took me in:
36) Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick,
and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye
came unto me.
37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying,
Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee?
or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38) When saw we thee a stranger, and took
thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39) Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison,
and came unto thee?
40) And the King shall answer and say unto
them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye
have done it unto one of the least of these
my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Feed the hungry. Clothe the poor. Then
give them a Bible. Don't hand them a Bible
and tell them to be saved and then leave
them on the street. At least do all that is
possible for you. Maybe you do. As I said,
maybe none of this applies to you, or your
church. You seem to be a reasonable
individual, who appears to love the Lord,
so don't take this personally, unless of
course, it fits. <laugh>
Did you realize that Jesus did not call us to
spread the Gospel by simple preaching?
That sounds blasphemous, doesn't it?
But it isn't.
He called us to "make disciples". Making
a disciple is not about preaching and leaving.
It is about instruction as well.
Who was Polycarp? John's disciple, no?
Didn't Polycarp hang out with John and learn?
Do you think this was John handing him a Bible
and saying, "Cya, we're going to send all of our
money to people for Bibles."?
Again, there is nothing wrong with giving to
overseas missions, but is there anyone in
your church that needs help? I wonder how
many people are in churches, that won't speak
up when they're in need and put on a good
face and pretend to be okay, because they
know all they'll receive, is "Oh, you poor thing.
C'mon, let's pray together.".
Pathetic. (:
It is so sad, to see people overlooked within
our own groups, who end up leaving the church,
because all they see, is a load of crap. The
church says, "Give me your money, so I can help
everyone but you, when you're in need.". No
problem sending it overseas and don't worry,
they'll pray for you! (:
I have an idea... How about helping the people
in front of you and praying for those overseas?
Just an idea. :)
A couple of decades ago, a member moved and
called back to Chicago to tell the pastor there
were not Bible believing churches in the area.
The pastor didn't really believe her, so he went
for a visit and found out she was correct. So,
the church started one there and today that
Baptist Church is the largest church in the county
of any denomination.
I doubt he was able to visit every single one. :)
But I applaud the effort.
Please have a listen to the sermons and let me
know what you think.
I am not a Baptist. I don't believe in denominations.
I see them as division and I believe that Paul spoke
against that, when it was starting back in the first
century...
1 Corinthians 1:10-13
10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of
our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same
thing, and that there be no divisions among you;
but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same
mind and in the same judgment.
11) For it hath been declared unto me of you,
my brethren, by them which are of the house
of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am
of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of
Christ.
13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you?
or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
I have nothing against Baptists. If I were to pick
a denomination, that would be it. :) I just don't
believe in denominations, period.
I'm sure the sermons are fine and I'll try to put
aside some time to listen. I do not however,
see a link to go to. You can provide one if you
wish. :)
--
Pastor Dave
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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