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15 Sep 2003 02:10:19 PM |
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Caiaphas wrote:
"Israel cools Arafat rhetoric. Offical: No formal decision to kill
leader"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-09-15-israel-palestinians_x.htm
Maybe God spoke to the Israeli leaders.
Maybe they lost their resolution to protect their people-- yet again.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be done
with him.
Adam
I think the reason they won't do that is because it would set a precedent and it
scares Ariel Sharon.
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| User: "Eugene Kent" |
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15 Sep 2003 06:18:49 PM |
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As far as Hamas is concerned Sharon has already crossed the line.
Knowing this they the Jews of Israel wants the world to think that when
Sharon is assassinated, then they will say we don't do such things. Then
eliminate Arafat.
But we shall see.
Because Bush has his hands full with his own *****-ups.
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Caiaphas wrote:
"Israel cools Arafat rhetoric. Offical: No formal decision to
kill
leader"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-09-15-israel-palestinians_x.htm
Maybe God spoke to the Israeli leaders.
Maybe they lost their resolution to protect their people-- yet
again.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should
be
done
with him.
Adam
I think the reason they won't do that is because it would set a
precedent
and it
scares Ariel Sharon.
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What a creative mind you have. How do you think this stuff up?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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16 Sep 2003 11:34:44 PM |
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
That's just the prelude to wiping out the entire native population of
the "promised land" yet once again, showing, that the German Nazis had
nothing over the brutality of the Jews. Only this time we are in a nuclear
age, where the bomb of the suicide bomber will inevitably evolve into nukes
which will kill us all, as per Biblical apocalyptic prophesy below.
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Lk:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are
in the countries enter thereinto.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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17 Sep 2003 08:37:56 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:34:44 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
That's just the prelude to wiping out the entire native population of
the "promised land" yet once again, showing, that the German Nazis had
nothing over the brutality of the Jews. Only this time we are in a nuclear
age, where the bomb of the suicide bomber will inevitably evolve into nukes
which will kill us all, as per Biblical apocalyptic prophesy below.
If Allah is merciful, the first of these nuclear devices will land
directly upon your racist head and in the process relieve us all of
your fountain of hatred.
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17 Sep 2003 06:00:35 PM |
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"TheAnswer" <TheAnswer@upyours.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 00:34:44 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should
be
done with him.
That's just the prelude to wiping out the entire native population of
the "promised land" yet once again, showing, that the German Nazis had
nothing over the brutality of the Jews. Only this time we are in a
nuclear
age, where the bomb of the suicide bomber will inevitably evolve into
nukes
which will kill us all, as per Biblical apocalyptic prophesy below.
If Allah is merciful, the first of these nuclear devices will land
directly upon your racist head and in the process relieve us all of
your fountain of hatred.
You don't have TheAnswer, for you are part of the problem. Nuclear
devices carried by suicide bombers don't "land on" someone's head. The only
thing landing on YOUR head is the wrath of God.
Are you a Jew disputing the inerrant truth of the scripture quoted
below? Perhaps you are one of those atheist Jews we read about, that don't
believe in anything nor anyone?
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Lk:21:21: Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are
in the countries enter thereinto.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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15 Sep 2003 03:29:16 PM |
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
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15 Sep 2003 03:30:28 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
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Thankfully, Israel executed Eichmann.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "scoopdamedia" |
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16 Sep 2003 10:38:26 PM |
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BUT EICHMANN WAS JUST ANOTHER NAZI JEW!!!!!
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should
be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
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Thankfully, Israel executed Eichmann.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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17 Sep 2003 11:47:23 AM |
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"scoopdamedia" <scoopdamedia@msn.com> wrote in message
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BUT EICHMANN WAS JUST ANOTHER NAZI JEW!!!!!
Alex has a new persona?
Or do we have another deluded whacko?
Susan
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option
is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what
should
be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
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Thankfully, Israel executed Eichmann.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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15 Sep 2003 08:31:46 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it assination, state sanction
murder.
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16 Sep 2003 02:39:03 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
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Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is
to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should
be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it assination, state
sanction
murder.
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Killing terrorists is called self-defense, moron. Self-defense is not
considered "murder" anywhere in the world, including the U.S.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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16 Sep 2003 10:49:46 AM |
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Caiaphas wrote:
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it assination,
state sanction murder.
Assination??????
Is that what you suffer from?
And you'll note the liar calls it "murder".
And, of course, ignores the oft-repeated fact that Israel wouldn't have to
resort to assassination if Arafat would just turn these terrorists in for
trial, like he *promised*.
Susan
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16 Sep 2003 02:42:10 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Caiaphas wrote:
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it assination,
state sanction murder.
Assination??????
Is that what you suffer from?
And you'll note the liar calls it "murder".
And, of course, ignores the oft-repeated fact that Israel wouldn't have to
resort to assassination if Arafat would just turn these terrorists in for
trial, like he *promised*.
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Such an idea is beyond the intellectual capacity of Caiaphas to understand,
or maybe he does understand but is so filled with hatred for Jews and Israel
that he continues to print his lies. Maybe he'll tell us again how Israel
was the *aggressor* in the 1956 war.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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16 Sep 2003 03:52:22 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Caiaphas wrote:
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it assination,
state sanction murder.
Assination??????
Is that what you suffer from?
And you'll note the liar calls it "murder".
And, of course, ignores the oft-repeated fact that Israel wouldn't
have to
resort to assassination if Arafat would just turn these terrorists in
for
trial, like he *promised*.
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Such an idea is beyond the intellectual capacity of Caiaphas to
understand,
or maybe he does understand but is so filled with hatred for Jews and
Israel
that he continues to print his lies. Maybe he'll tell us again how
Israel
was the *aggressor* in the 1956 war.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Depends on how you perceive it.
Maybe Grant surrendered to Lee. It all depends on how you perceive it.
There was an ongoing conflict from the 1948
encounter, and France, Britian, and Israel schemed to invade and occupy
the
Suez canal.
They didn't scheme to invade and occupy the Suez Canal. They were already
using it. Egypt is the one who invaded and occupied for the purpose of
preventing Israel from using it so as to cripple Israel economically as your
cut-and-paste states, flat out. This is an act of war.
Course, you are a master spin doctor and I am sure you have a
"spin" you can tell us.
There is no *spin* on historical fact. You just have problems with reading
comprehension.
No matter what, this is one persons description of the
1956 war:
Which proves that Israel was not the aggressor:
Here is the relevant portion:
As part of Egyptian President Nasser's nationalist agenda, he took
control of
the Suez Canal zone away from the British and French companies which owned
it.
President Nasser's nationalist agenda...Hmm. He took control of the Suez
Canal, hmm...
At the same time, as part of his ongoing struggle with Israel, Egyptian
forces
blocked the Straits of Tiran
He blocked the Straits of Tiran...Hmmm...
the narrow waterway that is Israel's only outlet
to the Red Sea.
Israel's only outlet to the Red Sea (effectively crippling Israel
economically)...Hmmm...
Israel and Egypt had clashed repeatedly since their 1948 war as
Egypt allowed and encouraged groups of Palestinian fighters to attack
Israel
from Egyptian territory.
Egypt was allowing terrorists to attack Israel from inside Egypt, Hmmm...
[And please note, Caiaphas, Israel did not have Gaza or the West Bank then,
so why were they being attacked by *Palestinians*?] (Which is a misnomer,
BTW, since the *Palestinians* didn't exist until 1967. Until then, they were
simply *Arabs.*) Hmmm..
In response, Israeli forces constantly made
cross-border raids in retaliation.
Retaliation... Do you know what this word means? It refers to taking revenge
on someone who has attacked you, i.e. Egypt was allowing terrorists to
attack Israel...so Israel responded. But you think Israel shouldn't respond.
You think Israel should have allowed the terrorism to go unchecked without
any response. Just as you think the Israeli borders should be opened to
terrorists now and that Israel should not respond to terrorists now.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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16 Sep 2003 04:10:53 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Caiaphas wrote:
Yes, Israel does have a death penalty -- they call it
assination,
state sanction murder.
Assination??????
Is that what you suffer from?
And you'll note the liar calls it "murder".
And, of course, ignores the oft-repeated fact that Israel wouldn't
have to
resort to assassination if Arafat would just turn these terrorists
in
for
trial, like he *promised*.
-------------
Such an idea is beyond the intellectual capacity of Caiaphas to
understand,
or maybe he does understand but is so filled with hatred for Jews and
Israel
that he continues to print his lies. Maybe he'll tell us again how
Israel
was the *aggressor* in the 1956 war.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Depends on how you perceive it.
Maybe Grant surrendered to Lee. It all depends on how you perceive it.
There was an ongoing conflict from the 1948
encounter, and France, Britian, and Israel schemed to invade and occupy
the
Suez canal.
They didn't scheme to invade and occupy the Suez Canal. They were already
using it. Egypt is the one who invaded and occupied for the purpose of
preventing Israel from using it so as to cripple Israel economically as
your
cut-and-paste states, flat out. This is an act of war.
Course, you are a master spin doctor and I am sure you have a
"spin" you can tell us.
There is no *spin* on historical fact. You just have problems with reading
comprehension.
No matter what, this is one persons description of the
1956 war:
Which proves that Israel was not the aggressor:
Here is the relevant portion:
As part of Egyptian President Nasser's nationalist agenda, he took
control of
the Suez Canal zone away from the British and French companies which
owned
it.
President Nasser's nationalist agenda...Hmm. He took control of the Suez
Canal, hmm...
At the same time, as part of his ongoing struggle with Israel,
Now *there's* spin for you: that's like saying war was already declared.
If anything, this *further* exculpates Israel, because if - like he keeps
trying to say - it was an on going struggle from '48, Israel *couldn't* be
"the aggressor".
Egyptian
forces
blocked the Straits of Tiran
He blocked the Straits of Tiran...Hmmm...
Yes, an act of war.
the narrow waterway that is Israel's only outlet
to the Red Sea.
Israel's only outlet to the Red Sea (effectively crippling Israel
economically)...Hmmm...
Which is why it's called an act of war.
Israel and Egypt had clashed repeatedly since their 1948 war as
Egypt allowed and encouraged groups of Palestinian fighters to attack
Israel
from Egyptian territory.
Egypt was allowing terrorists to attack Israel from inside Egypt, Hmmm...
[And please note, Caiaphas, Israel did not have Gaza or the West Bank
then,
so why were they being attacked by *Palestinians*?] (Which is a misnomer,
BTW, since the *Palestinians* didn't exist until 1967. Until then, they
were
simply *Arabs.*) Hmmm..
& don't forget the *other* redherring of "settlements".
In response, Israeli forces constantly made
cross-border raids in retaliation.
Retaliation... Do you know what this word means? It refers to taking
revenge
on someone who has attacked you, i.e. Egypt was allowing terrorists to
attack Israel...so Israel responded. But you think Israel shouldn't
respond.
You think Israel should have allowed the terrorism to go unchecked without
any response. Just as you think the Israeli borders should be opened to
terrorists now and that Israel should not respond to terrorists now.
And even tho' he's stated it outright, he'll try to backpedal.
Susan
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16 Sep 2003 03:01:14 PM |
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And here is another description of the 1956 war ....
The 1956 War
From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced
in part by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world
powers, the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while
the Soviet Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as Israel
became convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of
the Suez Canal by Egypt’s Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the
further alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with
Israel. 5
On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan, launched a
combined air and ground assault into Egypt’s Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli
successes were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal. Although
the action against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world, the
cease-fire of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and
Soviet support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives,
including the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches to
the Gulf of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them
over to the UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without which
Israel was cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed.
http://www.bartleby.com/65/ar/ArabIsra.html
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16 Sep 2003 03:07:17 PM |
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From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced in part
by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world powers,
the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while the Soviet
Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as Israel became
convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of the Suez
Canal by Egypt's Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the further
alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with Israel.
On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan, launched a combined
air and ground assault into Egypt's Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli successes
were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal. Although the action
against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world, the cease-fire
of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and Soviet
support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives, including
the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches to the Gulf
of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them over to the
UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without which Israel was
cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed.
http://www.1upinfo.com/encyclopedia/A/ArabIsra-the-1956-war.html
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On October 29, 1956, the second Arab-Israeli War (also referred to as "The Suez
War") broke out with Israel, Great Britain, and France arrayed against Egypt and
aiming to depose Nasser.
Israel was motivated by three chief factors. First, it considered the
Egyptian-Czech arms deal Nasser had negotiated the year before as a dangerous
shift in the balance of power in the region. Second, Nasser had nationalized
the Suez Canal after the U.S. in July reversed itself and withdrew its offer of
a loan to build the Aswan Dam. Third, Nasser had blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba
between the Tiran Straits and the Red Sea. Great Britain, whose influence in
the region had been on the wane since the end of World War II, saw the conflict
as a way to regain lost ground. The French were angry with Nasser for his
support of the insurrection in Algeria, France's colony. Britain's Prime
Minister Eden and French Premier Mollet regarded Nasser as a dangerous
demagogue. France, Britain, and Israel hit upon a plan (The Sèvres Protocol,
Oct. 24, 1956) whereby Israel would seize the canal. Britain and France would
then demand that both Israel and Egypt withdraw from the canal zone. When Egypt
refused, as expected, Britain and France would intervene and force the Egyptians
out.
Israel initiated hostilities on October 29 by invading Gaza and the Sinai and
then moved into the Suez Canal zone on October 30. The United States, furious
with Israel, Britain, and France and motivated even more by fears that the
Soviet Union would be drawn into the fray, sponsored a U.N. resolution
condemning the attack, which was passed on November 2. Meanwhile, British and
French troops, the ultimatum to Israel and Egypt having been ignored as
expected, were busy trying to take control of the canal zone. Hostilities ended
on November 6 after a ceasefire took effect. In December, a U.N. emergency
force was stationed in the area. The Suez was returned to Egypt. (See Kirsten
Schulze, The Arab-Israeli Conflict (London: Longman, 1999), 22ff.).
While Nasser was the loser militarily, he was the big winner politically. His
stature in the Arab world rose sharply, quickly dwarfing other leaders like
Jordan's King Hussein and Iraq's Nuri al-Said who were perceived to be too
beholden to Western interests. Finally, this war marked the end of British and
French influence in the region.
http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/arabisraeliwars.htm
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Section: The 1956 War
Related: Israel History
From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced in
part by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world
powers, the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while
the Soviet Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as Israel
became convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of
the Suez Canal by Egypt's Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the
further alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with
Israel.
On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan , launched a
combined air and ground assault into Egypt's Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli
successes were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal. Although
the action against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world, the
cease-fire of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and
Soviet support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives,
including the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches to
the Gulf of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them
over to the UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without which
Israel was cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed.
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16 Sep 2003 03:09:28 PM |
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Welp Cindy, as most of these accounts show, Israel "became convinced that the
Arabs were preparing for war" and decided to STRIKE FIRST. Satisfied?
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Section: The 1956 War
Related: Israel History
From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced
in
part by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world
powers, the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while
the Soviet Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as
Israel
became convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of
the Suez Canal by Egypt's Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the
further alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with
Israel.
On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan , launched a
combined air and ground assault into Egypt's Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli
successes were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal.
Although
the action against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world,
the
cease-fire of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and
Soviet support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives,
including the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches
to
the Gulf of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them
over to the UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without
which
Israel was cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed.
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16 Sep 2003 03:06:01 PM |
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The 1956 War
From 1949 to 1956 the armed truce between Israel and the Arabs, enforced in part
by the UN forces, was punctuated by raids and reprisals. Among the world powers,
the United States, Great Britain, and France sided with Israel, while the Soviet
Union supported Arab demands. Tensions mounted during 1956 as Israel became
convinced that the Arabs were preparing for war. The nationalization of the Suez
Canal by Egypt's Gamal Abdal Nasser in July, 1956, resulted in the further
alienation of Great Britain and France, which made new agreements with Israel.
On Oct. 29, 1956, Israeli forces, directed by Moshe Dayan, launched a combined
air and ground assault into Egypt's Sinai peninsula. Early Israeli successes
were reinforced by an Anglo-French invasion along the canal. Although the action
against Egypt was severely condemned by the nations of the world, the cease-fire
of Nov. 6, which was promoted by the United Nations with U.S. and Soviet
support, came only after Israel had captured several key objectives, including
the Gaza strip and Sharm el Sheikh, which commanded the approaches to the Gulf
of Aqaba. Israel withdrew from these positions in 1957, turning them over to the
UN emergency force after access to the Gulf of Aqaba, without which Israel was
cut off from the Indian Ocean, had been guaranteed.
http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/history/A0856667.html
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15 Sep 2003 05:16:39 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message news:3f66211d$1@news101.his.com...
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
True, but he would be removed from power and he would die of natural causes. It would prevent
him from becoming a martyr. He would be like that Bhargouti guy. You don't hear about him much
anymore.
Adam
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15 Sep 2003 05:44:59 PM |
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Adam Helberg wrote:
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@his.com> wrote in message news:3f66211d$1@news101.his.com...
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
True, but he would be removed from power and he would die of natural causes. It would prevent
him from becoming a martyr. He would be like that Bhargouti guy. You don't hear about him much
anymore.
Adam
They'd take hostages and demand his release, or demand his release as
part of yet another phony "peace agreement."
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
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16 Sep 2003 10:58:47 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Nonsense.
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of fifteen nations where the death penalty is
still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional crimes,
such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or for crimes
that would primarily be covered by military law.
The other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil, Canada,
Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, Paraguay, Peru,
Seychelles, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
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17 Sep 2003 08:31:58 AM |
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Sniper wrote:
Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option
is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what
should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Nonsense.
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of fifteen nations where the death penalty
is still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional
crimes,
such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or for
crimes that would primarily be covered by military law.
The other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil,
Canada, Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, Paraguay,
Peru, Seychelles, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
The law no longer applies in Fiji.
George Speight was sentenced to death for initiating and leading the coup 3
years ago, but his sentence was commuted to life and the death penalty is
no longer an option even for treason.
Tilly
--
bright1@hotmail.com
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16 Sep 2003 11:09:26 AM |
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Sniper wrote:
Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option
is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Nonsense.
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of fifteen nations where the death penalty is
still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional crimes,
such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or for crimes
that would primarily be covered by military law.
The other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil, Canada,
Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, Paraguay, Peru,
Seychelles, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
I think high treason is still punishable by death in the UK, although
murder is not.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
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16 Sep 2003 04:11:44 PM |
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"William A. Levinson" <wlevinso@ix.NOSPAM4MEnetcom.com> wrote in message
news:WAG9b.23939$NM1.9931@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Sniper wrote:
Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option
is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should
be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Nonsense.
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of fifteen nations where the death penalty is
still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional crimes,
such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or for crimes
that would primarily be covered by military law.
I had heard that it was only for "crimes against humanity".
The other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil, Canada,
Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, Paraguay, Peru,
Seychelles, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
I think high treason is still punishable by death in the UK,
Interesting, given what constitutes treason in the UK... :-)
Susan
although
murder is not.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
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16 Sep 2003 03:23:25 PM |
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William A. Levinson wrote:
Sniper wrote:
Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option
is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what
should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Nonsense.
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of fifteen nations where the death penalty
is still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional
crimes, such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or
for crimes that would primarily be covered by military law.
The other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil,
Canada, Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Malta, Mexico, Nepal, Paraguay,
Peru, Seychelles, South Africa and the United Kingdom.
I think high treason is still punishable by death in the UK, although
murder is not.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
The Treason Act of 2003 states that anyone guilty will receive a life
sentence. It also states that: -
"No one shall suffer death for high treason unless it is to prevent him
from committing the same."
That seems a touch vague to me, but I would read that as saying either
the death penalty can be instituted to prevent a person from committing
high treason or to prevent them from killing someone else in an act of
high treason. The second option is the more likely, though it sounds
retroactive. Any clarification would be appreciated as I cannot even
find clarification of the Home Office web site.
The 1351 Treason Act is actually still in force. There was a call to use
that particular statute against any of Her Majesties subjects that
fought for the Taliban.
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16 Sep 2003 11:14:54 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"Adam Helberg" <helbergaNieSpam@earthBlink.net> wrote in message
news:Oin9b.17874$Aq2.10514@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Seems to me if Israel wants to take Arafat out now, the best option is to
capture the *****
to put him on trial. Let a jury decide if he's guilty and what should be
done with him.
Nah, definitely kill him; Israel doesn't have a death penalty.
Susan
Though Israel abolished the death penalty for what are termed ordinary
crimes in 1971, it is one of a few nations where the death penalty is
still valid for those who commit what are termed exceptional crimes,
such as crimes committed in circumstances such as wartime or for crimes
that would primarily be covered by military law.
Some other nations where this is the rule are Argentina, Brazil,
Cyprus, El Salvador, Fiji, Mexico, Paraguay, Peru and the Seychelles
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