Religions > Bible > Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON
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10 Feb 2007 10:00:19 PM |
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Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON |
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:54:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> claimed:
IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON!
We know that you believe that "BABYLON = THE UNITED STATES",
but the fact is, that you have no proof of that.
Now you're calling for everyone to move out of the U.S.
and we both know that you hate the U.S.. So here's an
idea Glenn... Why don't YOU move out of the U.S.?
I mean, if you hate this country so much and want everyone
to leave, then how come YOU haven't left yet?
The truth is, by claiming that God's people should leave
Babylon, you have, by not leaving, confessed that you are
*NOT* one of God's people.
So where does that leave you, considering that:
1) There are only two options.
2) You have confessed by your words that you are *NOT*
one of God's people?
Well, let's see where it leaves you, according to the Bible:
"You are of your father the Devil..." - John 8:44a
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Hope is for those who do not live in grace.
The Bible is the inerrant word of the living God!
If you don't believe the Bible, don't tell me that
you are a Christian. I won't believe you. To make
that claim, is to be a heretic who does not know God.
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON |
10 Feb 2007 08:42:25 PM |
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Bible Believer wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:54:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> claimed:
IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON!
Oh, here is the scripture YOU clipped!
"I will gather you from all the nations.." Jer 29:14.
"Go ye out of the midst of her." Jere 51:45
"I will surely assemble, O Jacob, the whole of thee." Mic 2:12
"Come out of her, O My People..." Rev 18:4.
We know that you believe that "BABYLON = THE UNITED STATES",
but the fact is, that you have no proof of that.
Now you're calling for everyone to move out of the U.S.
and we both know that you hate the U.S.. So here's an
idea Glenn... Why don't YOU move out of the U.S.?
Good Idea!
I mean, if you hate this country so much and want everyone
to leave,
How many flaws of logic and wrong assumptions can you stuff into one
sentence?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
Now, What makes you think I want /EVERYONE/ to leave?
EVERYONE? Is that called inflammatory Hyperbole, or the falsification of
my statement?
I want? What, are you completely ignoring the Word of God?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
It is not that I /want anyone/ to leave -- IT IS THAT GOD IS CALLING HIS
PEOPLE OUT OF BABYLON!
then how come YOU haven't left yet?
Duh...
As soon as God allows... That will be soon enough for me.
The truth is, by claiming that God's people should leave
Babylon, you have, by not leaving, confessed that you are
*NOT* one of God's people.
As always, your logic is impeccably flawed.
owd
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"There is no sound historical or exegetical basis for claiming the the
Lord returned in 70AD."
..
There is no valid scriptural or exegetical basis for the Preterist doctrine.
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| User: "Ronald More-More Moshki" |
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| Title: Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON |
13 Feb 2007 12:46:40 AM |
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On Feb 10, 9:42 pm, oldwetdog <g.aedhea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bible Believer wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:54:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<g.aedhea...@yahoo.com> claimed:
IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON!
Oh, here is the scripture YOU clipped!
"I will gather you from all the nations.." Jer 29:14.
"Go ye out of the midst of her." Jere 51:45
"I will surely assemble, O Jacob, the whole of thee." Mic 2:12
"Come out of her, O My People..." Rev 18:4.
We know that you believe that "BABYLON = THE UNITED STATES",
but the fact is, that you have no proof of that.
Now you're calling for everyone to move out of the U.S.
and we both know that you hate the U.S.. So here's an
idea Glenn... Why don't YOU move out of the U.S.?
Good Idea!
I mean, if you hate this country so much and want everyone
to leave,
How many flaws of logic and wrong assumptions can you stuff into one
sentence?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
Now, What makes you think I want /EVERYONE/ to leave?
EVERYONE? Is that called inflammatory Hyperbole, or the falsification of
my statement?
I want? What, are you completely ignoring the Word of God?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
It is not that I /want anyone/ to leave -- IT IS THAT GOD IS CALLING HIS
PEOPLE OUT OF BABYLON!
then how come YOU haven't left yet?
Duh...
As soon as God allows... That will be soon enough for me.
The truth is, by claiming that God's people should leave
Babylon, you have, by not leaving, confessed that you are
*NOT* one of God's people.
As always, your logic is impeccably flawed.
owd
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"There is no sound historical or exegetical basis for claiming the the
Lord returned in 70AD."
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There is no valid scriptural or exegetical basis for the Preterist doctrine.
there is no such thing as "the word of god."
There are only books written by some clever deceivers/control artists.
So gods exist, in diseased minds and on paper but nowhere else.
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| User: "Bible Believer" |
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| Title: Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON |
11 Feb 2007 01:06:34 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:42:25 -0800, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> claimed:
Bible Believer wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:54:03 -0800, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> claimed:
IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON!
Oh, here is the scripture YOU clipped!
Who cares which Scriptures I clipped? None of them
say "United States".
We know that you believe that "BABYLON = THE UNITED STATES",
but the fact is, that you have no proof of that.
Now you're calling for everyone to move out of the U.S.
and we both know that you hate the U.S.. So here's an
idea Glenn... Why don't YOU move out of the U.S.?
Good Idea!
Then why are you here?
I mean, if you hate this country so much and want everyone
to leave,
How many flaws of logic and wrong assumptions can you stuff into one
sentence?
Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
Now, What makes you think I want /EVERYONE/ to leave?
EVERYONE? Is that called inflammatory Hyperbole, or the falsification of
my statement?
So then, you prefer to have people stay in a place
that you call evil and hate so much? Gee, how
generous of you!
then how come YOU haven't left yet?
Duh...
As soon as God allows... That will be soon enough for me.
That's a weak load of crap!
The truth is, by claiming that God's people should leave
Babylon, you have, by not leaving, confessed that you are
*NOT* one of God's people.
As always, your logic is impeccably flawed.
Really? You claim that it is about us today,
in this generation and that Babylon is the U.S.
and that God's people are commanded to
come out of here and yet, here you sit, defying
what you claim God is telling His people.
Now either:
1) You are openly defying God, according to your own
belief system and one of God's people wouldn't be
doing that.
Or...
2) You do not consider yourself one of God's people.
Either way, you couldn't be one of God's people.
Not according to your own claims about what
it says.
"There is no sound historical or exegetical basis for claiming the the
Lord returned in 70AD."
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There is no valid scriptural or exegetical basis for the Preterist doctrine.
Telling two lies doesn't make them true and everyone
knows you're a liar.
--
Hope for a physical kingdom is to deny Christ's words.
He dispelled that idea in Luke 17:20-21 and He never
said, "But later it will be", nor can Jesus be quoted
anywhere in Scripture saying that it will be physical.
Reading other passages that you think say it will be,
is not to refute this statement, but rather, it is to
pit the Bible against itself and an Apostle against
his Lord, since it would be a contradiction!
I would not want to be in that position!
The Bible is the inerrant word of the living God!
If you don't believe the Bible, don't tell me that
you are a Christian. I won't believe you. To make
that claim, is to be a heretic who does not know God.
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| User: "torresdD" |
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| Title: Re: IT IS TIME FOR GOD'S PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF BABYLON |
11 Feb 2007 02:56:23 PM |
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The Anti-Defamation
League chairman, Abe Foxman, said,
"It's hard for me to believe that someone,
especially an Israeli historian,
would legitimize the baseless
claims of the blood libels."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824152.html
Last update - 19:54 11/02/2007
Bar-Ilan to order professor to
explain research behind blood
libel book
By Ofri Ilani, Haaretz Correspondent,
Haaretz Service and The Associated Press
Bar-Ilan University on Sunday said
it would order Professor Ariel Toaff
to explain the research behind his new
book about the centuries-old charge
that Jews killed Christians in
ritual murder.
University historian Toaff has
raised a storm by alleging in his
book book that some blood libels -
accusations that Jews killed
Christians in ritual murders
to add their blood to matza
and wine on Passover -
may be based on real ceremonies
in which the blood of Christians
was actually used.
The university said in a
statement that "Bar-Ilan University -
its officers and researchers -
have condemned, and condemn,
any attempt to justify the
awful blood libels against Jews."
The university said that as soon as
Toaff returned from a trip abroad it
would ask him for explanations regarding
his research,
adding
"until then...
we should refrain from relying
on baseless reports that have
been denied by Prof. Toaff himself
and which, apparently,
lack any connection to the research itself."
"Pasque di Sangue" was just released in Italy.
It shocked the country's
small Jewish community -
in part because he is
the son of Elio Toaff,
the chief rabbi who welcomed
Pope John Paul II to Rome's
synagogue two decades ago in
a historic visit that helped
ease Catholic-Jewish relations
after centuries of tensions.
The author,
who is considered an
international expert on Italian Jewry,
delves into allegations that resulted
in torture,
show trials and executions,
periodically devastating
Europe's Jewish communities.
Historians have long dismissed
the allegations as racism,
but blood libel stories
remain popular in
anti-Semitic literature.
Jewish and Catholic scholars
have denounced Toaff's work,
saying he simply reinterpreted
known documents -
and has given credence to
confessions extracted under
torture.
In an interview with the
Italian newspaper La Stampa,
Toaff responded angrily to
his critics, saying,
"My research shows that
in the Middle Ages,
a group of fundamentalist
Jews did not respect the
biblical prohibition and
used blood for healing.
It is just one group of Jews,
who belonged to the communities
that suffered the severest
persecution during the Crusades.
From this trauma came a passion
for revenge that in some cases
led to responses,
among them ritual murder
of Christian children."
Italian rabbis issued a statement
recalling that Jewish law has always
banned ingesting blood or using it
for rituals.
Toaff's 91-year-old father said
he was looking forward to reading
his son's book and examining the
documents,
but stressed that according
to the Torah and tradition,
the consumption of animal
blood was strictly prohibited,
not to mention that of humans.
In an interview Friday
with The Associated Press, Toaff said,
"There is no proof that Jews
committed such an act."
But he added that the
confessions do hold some truth -
as when the accused recount
anti-Christian liturgies that
were mainly used on Passover,
when the Israelites' liberation
from ancient Egypt became a metaphor
for Judaism's hope for redemption
from its suffering at the hands
of Christians.
"These liturgical formulas in
Hebrew cannot be projections of
the judges who could not know
these prayers,
which didn't belong to Italian
rites but to the Ashkenazi
tradition," he said.
The 65-year-old Toaff,
a rabbi who holds dual
Italian and Israeli citizenship, said,
"I wanted to see how the Jews
felt in this climate of hatred."
Monsignor Iginio Rogger,
a church historian who in
the 1960s led the investigation
into the murder of a 2-year-old
Simon of Trento,
for which 16 Jews were hanged,
said many scholars have concurred
that the confessions were
completely unreliable.
"I wouldn't want to be in [Toaff's] shoes,
answering for this to historians who
have seriously documented this case,"
he said.
"The judges used horrible tortures,
to the point where the accused pleaded:
'Tell us what you want us to say.'"
Hebrew University historian
Professor Israel J. Yuval,
a blood-libel expert, said,
"From the information
I have received,
Professor Toaff's
interpretation sounds
trumped-up."
The Anti-Defamation
League chairman, Abe Foxman, said,
"It's hard for me to believe that someone,
especially an Israeli historian,
would legitimize the baseless
claims of the blood libels."
Bar-Ilan University spokesman,
Shmulik Algrabli, said,
"Professor Toaff is one of
the greatest scholars in his
field,
and we have confidence
in his scientific method.
The contentions of the study will
be clarified when the author
returns to Israel."
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: IT IS TIME to kill the christian god and his brain dead worshippers |
12 Feb 2007 08:14:14 PM |
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save the planet, kill a religious nut today
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